Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

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Assuming we ever do miraculously reach that point where the curtain of lies is fully pulled down, things will get very interesting. They have to know there's thousands, if not millions of people who have axes to grind. The post earlier in this thread has a point, they have to keep up this song and dance as long as they can so people don't get wise that their lives have been fucking ruined for no damn reason, but assuming the truth wins in the end they're not only delaying the inevitable but they're making a worse case for themselves the longer they forcibly drag this charade out.

They will NEVER admit they're wrong, but what they will do is come out with some half-assed "new information" that means it's now "safe" to reopen everything. My guess is this will be them saying "HCQ and zinc works!" combined with "the vaccine is almost complete!" combined with "cases are down and not rising much". If the "experts" say it, then it must be true according to the media, so once again the media will reverse course just as Dr. Fauci has a million times and suddenly we'll be back to normal in a few weeks. Although the "experts" could literally just make shit up and it will be reported as fact and will advise politicians what to do, just like how the "experts" said protesting in a massive crowd for BLM poses minimal risk. Once it's all over, they'll pat themselves on the back for the "great response" they and the world had to the disease and credit themselves for the minimal death toll and infection rate.

This is the likely scenario when Joe Biden wins, by the way.

They’ve made a lot of people have nothing to lose. If you spent decades building your business and some smug government bureaucrat just destroyed it overnight, you best bet someone is going to be after that “expert.” I love how they only listen to epidemiologists (and even then, only to epidemiologists that agree with them) instead of bringing in economists and other people who look at the macro implications. Way more people are going to die of the side effects of the lockdown in the next decade than would’ve ever died of it if we had done nothing

Also consider quality of life, which these people bring up with the "muh long-term side effects are unknown!" argument (they aren't we more or less know what happens long-term and how many people get that). Not one considers the long-term side effects from depression and stress over dealing with a failing business, the rise in obesity over closure of gyms/exercise restrictions, the reduced happiness from having all your favorite businesses close, or the economic effects of a huge amount of middle class jobs being destroyed leading to increased poverty and thus reduced quality of life. All sorts of diseases will skyrocket as a result of the increase in stress, depression, and poverty.

Or maybe they have considered the economic effects, since their solution is "socialism now", but their idea of socialism is pretty much "government gives me money and I can do whatever I want" without any thought how the government gets that money. Even the people in charge of the Venezuelan economy put more thought into economic planning than the vast majority of socialists in the US, since the US socialist is nothing but an upper-middle class consoomer.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

They will NEVER admit they're wrong, but what they will do is come out with some half-assed "new information" that means it's now "safe" to reopen everything. My guess is this will be them saying "HCQ and zinc works!" combined with "the vaccine is almost complete!" combined with "cases are down and not rising much". If the "experts" say it, then it must be true according to the media, so once again the media will reverse course just as Dr. Fauci has a million times and suddenly we'll be back to normal in a few weeks. Although the "experts" could literally just make shit up and it will be reported as fact and will advise politicians what to do, just like how the "experts" said protesting in a massive crowd for BLM poses minimal risk. Once it's all over, they'll pat themselves on the back for the "great response" they and the world had to the disease and credit themselves for the minimal death toll and infection rate.

This is the likely scenario when Joe Biden wins, by the way.

Never said they will admit it (which you are right, they never will), but that they'd get exposed in some way should we reach the turning point. All hypothetical though, I'm fully aware that such niceties are complete rainbow thinking in regards to these dickbags getting even half of what they deserve for the damage they've caused to society as a whole.

But as the saying goes...

 

[JosephStalin]

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Meanwhile my dumb ass has to pay quarterly-estimateds or I get fined even more. Fuck this dumb shit.

To be fair, the postponement of most (if not all) earlier tax-related deadlines to July 15 also delayed the due due of the first and second quarter estimates so that both were due July 15 as well. Still, you're right that:

• Individuals or C-corporations with estimates due still have to pay them timely, and
• For now, the underpayment penalty still applies for 2020 if estimates paid in (along with any withholding tax already taken out from other sources) don't adequately cover one's final tax amount due for the year.

To add something new COVID-related, Utah high schools just reached the halfway mark of their football regular season. Through five weeks, only 3 games (1.1% of all games scheduled to date) have been cancelled due to team members having COVID. Given that the players aren't wearing masks during the games, I'd be curious what in-game protocols they're using that's kept the number as low as it's been for now. With Michigan slated to star their high school football next week, it will be interesting to see what happens with Governor Whitmer requiring players in her state to wear masks before, during, and after the game even though the CDC has reportedly stated masks shouldn't be required for exertive physical activities.

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Michigan happenings - The group circulating a petition to repeal the state's 1945 law that currently grants a governor unlimited power during a state of emergency has currently collected 400k signatures with hopes to collect a total of 500k before they submit the signatures for review. If the group presents at least 340k valid signatures, the state's Republican-controlled legislature is expected to vote in favor of repealing the law. Governor Whitmer would be unable to veto a successful vote to repeal the 1945 law.

Remaining on the books would be a 1976 law that requires legislative approval to extend states of emergency.

Keep Michigan Safe, a group formed to oppose the petition drive, is expected to challenge the signature count in hopes of getting the measure thrown out.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/12/group-tops-400-k-signatures-repeal-gretchen-whitmers-virus-powers/5780148002/

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[Foltest]

test came back negative.

 

[Bender]

test came back negative.

Did you have fun getting deepthroated by a swab and having it shoved up your nose so deep you could've sworn they were trying to stab you in the brain?

 

[Foltest]

Did you have fun getting deepthroated by a swab and having it shoved up your nose so deep you could've sworn they were trying to stab you in the brain?

It was superfun.

 

[Ari Gold]

Here's a link to a lot of ChiCom Flu-related info, and a ton of associated links.

https://www.mauldineconomics.com/landing/covid-research

https://archive.vn/avGZv

 

[Ari Gold]

https://www.businessinsider.com/covid-19-fall-osterholm-really-hard-road-ahead-192020-9

In other words:
"Please, forget how wrong we were in February and March. Please, forget how we told you that ICU's would be overrun and every one across the healthcare system would suffer consequences as result of this virus. Repeat after me: 'Flatten the curve.' Feels good to be in the orthodoxy, right? We must centralize the power if any true cleansing can occur. You people and your state governments should not be allowed to engage in any sort of self-governance. Bow down to my science!"

 

[Evilronald]

That's the big kicker a lot of these sheep aren't fucking getting. We've lost as many, if not more lives as a result of the lockdowns than there would be if Rona-Chan was allowed to run her natural course. And that's even before the complete destruction of economics, general degradation of mental health, and a surge of other issues like domestic violence (hello "peaceful protests") and obesity. The sad part is, the true extent of the damage won't be known for years to come, if ever, thanks to the higher ups covering up as much of that shit as they can.

I've tried over and over to explain to idiots that the world didn't stop when far worse plagues (like the plague, Spanish Flu, ect.) swept through. They counter with "but they didn't do muh lockdowns" and it's like, yeah, lots of people died. But what we're doing now is killing lots of people AND dismantling everything in sight at the same fucking time, for a cough that doesn't even have a bigger kill count worldwide than plain ol' heart disease does for the US alone.

The problem is a result of media fearmongering and the feminization of society. They don’t understand “indirect deaths” like from postponed surgeries, suicide, drugs, alcoholism, etc. They see 1000 people died from covid yesterday but are too stupid to put it in perspective. Most people dying of covid were on their way out in a few months anyways (people in nursing homes don’t make it more than a few years usually). So instead of a rational conversation, we stayed locked down and double-down like we’re a bunch of communists who say “we just haven’t gone far enough! We need 100 percent compliance.”

 

[Stalphos Johnson]

To be fair, the postponement of most (if not all) earlier tax-related deadlines to July 15 also delayed the due due of the first and second quarter estimates so that both were due July 15 as well. Still, you're right that:

• Individuals or C-corporations with estimates due still have to pay them timely, and
• For now, the underpayment penalty still applies for 2020 if estimates paid in (along with any withholding tax already taken out from other sources) don't adequately cover one's final tax amount due for the year.

To add something new COVID-related, Utah high schools just reached the halfway mark of their football regular season. Through five weeks, only 3 games (1.1% of all games scheduled to date) have been cancelled due to team members having COVID. Given that the players aren't wearing masks during the games, I'd be curious what in-game protocols they're using that's kept the number as low as it's been for now. With Michigan slated to star their high school football next week, it will be interesting to see what happens with Governor Whitmer requiring players in her state to wear masks before, during, and after the game even though the CDC has reportedly stated masks shouldn't be required for exertive physical activities.

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Edited to avoid double-posting

The group circulating the petition in Michigan to repeal Michigan's 1945 law that currently grants her the unlimited powers she's been invoking has currently collected 400k signatures and hopes to get to 500k before they submit them. The need at least 340k valid signatures. If that happens, the state's Republican-controlled legislature is expected to vote in favor of repealing the law. Most importantly, Whitmer would be unable to veto this.

What would remain on the books is a 1976 law that requires legislative approval to extend a state of emergency.

Keep Michigan Safe, a group formed to oppose the petition drive, is expected to challenge the signature count in hopes of getting the measure thrown out.

https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/2020/09/12/group-tops-400-k-signatures-repeal-gretchen-whitmers-virus-powers/5780148002/

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Good to hear the petition made it past the minimum number, hope the challenge fails.

This lockdown is getting more and more unpopular at least in my county, I've seen a lot more signs like this one pop up on lawns:

If you don't get the reference, it's from the "Pure Michigan" tourist ad campaign.

More and more businesses have been hurting the longer this goes on. My local movie theater, which has been independent for 60+ years, have been forced to sell popcorn and other concessions to help stay in business. I stopped by and I donated what I could.

The lockdown has also screwed with the med school I'm going to. They've pretty much cancelled the gross anatomy lab and moved all of anatomy to online learning for the summer and they keep saying they're working on a way to put it back in place. At least there is some in person classes now, but they force you to fill out a health screening form every time you go on campus for any reason. If you don't you may get disenrolled and get a letter of unprofessional conduct placed in your record. Just absolutely insane for a lockdown that should have been over in April.

 

[Just Some Other Guy]

Good to hear the petition made it past the minimum number, hope the challenge fails.

This lockdown is getting more and more unpopular at least in my county, I've seen a lot more signs like this one pop up on lawns:
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If you don't get the reference, it's from the "Pure Michigan" tourist ad campaign.

More and more businesses have been hurting the longer this goes on. My local movie theater, which has been independent for 60+ years, have been forced to sell popcorn and other concessions to help stay in business. I stopped by and I donated what I could.

The lockdown has also screwed with the med school I'm going to. They've pretty much cancelled the gross anatomy lab and moved all of anatomy to online learning for the summer and they keep saying they're working on a way to put it back in place. At least there is some in person classes now, but they force you to fill out a health screening form every time you go on campus for any reason. If you don't you may get disenrolled and get a letter of unprofessional conduct placed in your record. Just absolutely insane for a lockdown that should have been over in April.

Lol my useless public service union put out an email about that petition. Pretty much what you'd expect. "It's a partisan Republican effort and that's bad!".

Sad thing is most of your public sector employees are dumb enough to see that as a solid reason to be against something.

Partisanship is a ok when it's Democrat.

 

[Aib Ld]

Most people dying of covid were on their way out in a few months anyways (people in nursing homes don’t make it more than a few years usually).

That's one of the biggest things, I have a really old cousin who was in a nursing home because he's old and he got a brain tumor. If Wuflu didn't catch him and kick him in, then the tumor will. If the tumor didn't kick him in, the mass organs deteriorating from the old age will. He will die soon anyway, he came with peace on that. Yet all these people are acting like trying to beat the Wuflu will somehow extend their lifespans. I don't even get it. America didn't even care for nursing homes before this.
Even something like the wildly changing decreasing and increasing numbers on each day right in front of their eyes doesn't make them think about something is wrong about that.
It's absurd.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

Good to hear the petition made it past the minimum number, hope the challenge fails.

It looks like the group behind the petition drive wants to get some more signatures just to be safe. Having 500k signatures -- 47% more than necessary -- gives them some breathing space because every petition drive has a certain number of legitimately invalid signatures before opponents start scrutinizing the rest with a fine-toothed comb. Also, another recent petition drive had too many signatures thrown out to be approved. So, I believe this group wants to do what it can to avoid that here.

If you don't you may get disenrolled and get a letter of unprofessional conduct placed in your record. Just absolutely insane for a lockdown that should have been over in April.

That's horrible that an incident occurring in academia can become a negative blot on your professional record.

I also agree that April/May should have been where the decisions regarding what reopens and when should have been done based on measurable metrics -- metrics ideally understandable by the public, or at least made available to the public at a minimum.

Democrats normally demand transparency in government. So, it's baffling that Democratic governors such as Whitmer aren't being transparent when it comes to the data they're using to justify extended lockdowns and instead hand-wave and expect residents to take it at face value. If the governors are that confident that their data is valid and justifies their actions, they should be confident enough to share it and successfully refute any legitimate scrutiny or criticism.

Sad thing is most of your public sector employees are dumb enough to see that as a solid reason to be against something.

Although there are those union members that are based enough to think for themselves, the fact remains the majority -- especially those in public service -- blindly obey their union reps and higher ups even when the same union members criticize their non-union brethren for blindly obeying higher authorities such as church leaders. It's one thing to respect a superior's opinion. It's another for people to blindly follow and do what's asked of them without even a cursory thought about what they're being asked to do and any potential negative fallout that might result.

 

[I can't imagine]

Kinda an interesting thing I've noticed. As I've mentioned on here, I work in a grocery store. Grocery stores get a lot of repeat business, as you would imagine, so you get to know and be acquainted with regular customers after a while. The older folks are the ones who tend to shop the most often, and they're the most gregarious, usually because they don't have as much contact with other people outside of their trips to the store and whatnot.

When the lockdowns happened, they stopped coming out, since the experts and all that. Their kids had to shop for them or they'd get neighbors to do it or something. Meanwhile, they're sitting at home doing not much of anything. This kept going on for months, pretty much up until school started a few weeks ago. Not as many people around to do the shopping for them, so they started coming back out.

So in the last few weeks, I've been seeing a lot more of our more elderly customers in the store. And boy, they've been happy to see me, like to the point of saying they don't care about COVID, they just want someone to hug them (old women seem to be oddly fond of hugging grocery store workers; I don't really get it, but I've learned to just go along with it). A lot of them are pretty much at the point of the "this last 4-5 months have been miserable and I'm gonna live my life my way" kinda attitude.

Reflecting on it put in perspective how much the commitment to preserving dear old granny's life adversely affected granny's actual quality of life.

 

[Evilronald]

Good to hear the petition made it past the minimum number, hope the challenge fails.

This lockdown is getting more and more unpopular at least in my county, I've seen a lot more signs like this one pop up on lawns:
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If you don't get the reference, it's from the "Pure Michigan" tourist ad campaign.

More and more businesses have been hurting the longer this goes on. My local movie theater, which has been independent for 60+ years, have been forced to sell popcorn and other concessions to help stay in business. I stopped by and I donated what I could.

The lockdown has also screwed with the med school I'm going to. They've pretty much cancelled the gross anatomy lab and moved all of anatomy to online learning for the summer and they keep saying they're working on a way to put it back in place. At least there is some in person classes now, but they force you to fill out a health screening form every time you go on campus for any reason. If you don't you may get disenrolled and get a letter of unprofessional conduct placed in your record. Just absolutely insane for a lockdown that should have been over in April.

Whitmer is so fucking stupid, I’m super disappointed that Biden didn’t pick her. it really is disappointing people haven’t come to the recognition that they got exactly what they voted for, and that if they never want these lockdowns to happen again, they need to get someone who is ideologically against the lockdowns in. You can’t put a politician in for these sorts of things as they’ll cave to political pressure, you need a ron or Rand Paul type who are willing to be hated. I think it’s funny how Wisconsin hasn’t really had a statewide lockdown in months and outside the colleges has done a way better job. It’s almost like local control and accountability is way better?

 

[Evilronald]

It feels like this is a giant “emperor has no clothes” thing but if you dare tell anyone they’ll ruin your life or say you’re a monster wanting to kill grandma. We want to keep grandma alive in a world that makes her afraid and suffering every day from loneliness and on a decline mentally and physically. So instead of a few weeks of the coof then death, she can feel herself slip into dementia and become a shell of a person before she starves to death in her home. So we fuck over the younger generation to keep someone alive for 3-6 months longer where they probably wish they could die or have no idea what’s going on. Sounds like government policy to me.

 

[The handsome tard]

Told you guys. Mask mandates and social distancing are here to stay forever.

Like I said, if we were all just stop using them, they cant exactly fine and arrest everyone, can they? If they try...there will be blood.

Idk, it sort of feels like people reeeeeeally don't want to think about the possibility that they've been a useful idiot in some politicians' power trip. Afterall, everybody likes to believe they're a smart, well-informed individual.

People are more arrogant and narcissistic than ever today. That goes double for most leftists. Besides, people want to actually believe in something and not have that constantly disproven so they gotta scramble to find new stuff. Its lazyness. They prefer to stick with a lie than struggle with the truth.

Fucking NUKE them

I don't think they're afraid of being beaten. I think they're afraid this will spark actual repercussions, and they will get the Nuremberg Trials treatment.

I doubt anything like the Nuremberg Trials could ever happen today.

But they surely deserve it.

Had a long argument with someone yesterday about the retarded mask shit and they spouted the exact same rhetoric as everyone else, right down to the "You'll kill grandma!" bit word for word. It's like everyone's been replaced by fucking robots over the past few months and are incapable of independent thought. They even went so far as to say "Giving up liberty for safety temporarily is okay." Fucking dumbass.

Actually no, robots are capable of thinking. These morons are more like sheep than anything else. They probably always have been but it's REALLY been showing lately just how goddamn insufferably blind the public has gotten with any current event in this hellscape of a year.

I literally think its because of two things.

Fear and pathological altruism.

People struggle their with existential significance now more than ever (by product of a society raised by social media and atheism) so they are desperedly to reassure themselves that they are "heroes". They dont want to put too much effort tho. They want to belong to a cause that doesnt require much effort.

So they get to belong in this "movement" where they are "saving lives" and being "heroes".
As long they get to sleep well at night, their "enemies" can suffer.

Does anyone else enjoy the salt the covid fascists give whenever anyone has any fun or flaunts their stupid rules? Like seriously: fuck these people, we never agreed to this shit and they have no right to take away our rights. Very sad that dumb af social media influencers are the ones that have to crusade against this. I’m so sick of living like this and I hate the government at this point. This is how the state creates a new Ron Paul who wants to dismantle all their shit. You cant demand people comply with your dumb shit forever and their response in closing down campuses is going to spread covid even more.
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I mock them whenever I can IRL, even right on their fronts. I dont care they throw the "its just my job", it has become a mere excuse at this fucking point. They are cowards. If everyone were to say "NO" in union, then they would begin to get worried...

 

[gd7]

Can someone tell me why intelligent people like using case numbers as proof of anything?
My understanding is that there's different methodology to case numbers in different states/countries, so already you can't compare apples to apples. Secondly, that tests are prone to false positives and false negatives, diluting the usefulness of case numbers even more. And lastly most people are asymptomatic so you're more likely to be tested if you are very sick, which makes the case fatality rate look higher than it is.

Am I wrong about any of this? Gotten into so many arguments and not one person has had any argument except to repeat the case fatality rate like its gospel. I genuinely want to hear why I am wrong, I feel like I'm going crazy.

 

[It's HK-47]

Can someone tell me why intelligent people like using case numbers as proof of anything?
My understanding is that there's different methodology to case numbers in different states/countries, so already you can't compare apples to apples. Secondly, that tests are prone to false positives and false negatives, diluting the usefulness of case numbers even more. And lastly most people are asymptomatic so you're more likely to be tested if you are very sick, which makes the case fatality rate look higher than it is.

Am I wrong about any of this? Gotten into so many arguments and not one person has had any argument except to repeat the case fatality rate like its gospel. I genuinely want to hear why I am wrong, I feel like I'm going crazy.

The only thing that really matters is the hospitalization rate and the death rate. If both of those numbers are on the decline--which they are-- the case number itself is practically a moot point, or rather something that's a bit ridiculous to panic over. The same train of thought goes for the people who love to tout that America is #1 in deaths. It's not because there's no fucking way that China only had as few deaths as they reported (4600 deaths with a complete flatline in March? Fuck off.) but the important part is that comparing the number of deaths in the U.S. to the number of deaths in somewhere like Bulgaria is what a clinically-retarded person would do.

Oh, you mean Bulgaria didn't have 200,000 deaths, effectively wiping out ~3% of its population with a virus that has a mortality rate that's >0.1%? You don't fucking say. I don't know why it's surprising to anyone that the third most-populated country in the world would have the second-highest (fuck you china) rate of COVID-related deaths, and I'm not surprised that India's is so low because Indians have fucking indestructible immune systems due to their living conditions and the fact that they basically eat nothing but fire.

I'm convinced that you could give those fuckers two days of rest and a bowl of chicken soup, which they're going to drown in curry powder, and they could get over AIDs like it's a bad case of the sniffles.