The ones who use surrogates but try to pretend they were pregnant (Janet Jackson) and post 45 year old actresses who get pregnant and try to pretend it’s totally natural when in fact the child was created via IVF and isn’t biologically related to them at all irritate me the most.
Wait, what's this? Not biologically related? Damn.
God, every time I look at Paisley, I see a baby in absolute agony. Contracting corona would be a mercy for the poor child, but her parents wanna keep riding that gravy train, I guess.
Paisley has an older brother. Looking at photos of them is awful. Here’s Dad with the son, normal little boy with a thatch of blond hair, and there’s his sister with Mom, same hair color but ahhh wtf
Egg donation. All these celebs aged 45+ (Janet was 49) are using the eggs of much younger women. The chances of a successful IVF pregnancy at that age are greatly increased if they don’t use their own geriatric eggs.
I don’t believe JJ was even pregnant though. Secret surrogate all the way.
I have no doubt Ms Empath chose pickle/sauerkraut juice because woo. The person wearing the watch is in scrubs, it's the speech therapist and not mom wearing the apple watch, btw.
Ms Empath turning into another Gwen Hartley with her saying Luna is being "sassy" and speaking to her like she's a dog.
Also Luna is getting AFOs for her entire body. Both wrists, both legs and her torso. Mom is delighted about having a cyborg baby. But no evil western medicine for pregnancy and childbirth.
Wait, what's this? Not biologically related? Damn.
God, every time I look at Paisley, I see a baby in absolute agony. Contracting corona would be a mercy for the poor child, but her parents wanna keep riding that gravy train, I guess.
There is a huge industry in buying viable eggs/ovum from younger women. It’s quite a dark industry because unlike sperm it’s quite an ordeal to harvest them. Young women are paid about $10k to be pumped full of hormones so that they produce dozens of eggs at one time to be surgically harvested. Those eggs are then fertilized, embryos created and frozen for use in IVF - aka implanted into another woman.
It’s a shady industry in the USA but it’s even worse in Eastern Europe. There’s plenty of ppl who buy the egg, sperm and then hire a surrogate to carry the embryo. When Covid caused travel shutdowns there were hundreds of such babies stuck in Eastern Europe being cared for by nurses in hotels because the surrogates hathem, left, and the parents who paid for them in the UK or USA couldn’t come get them.
Anytime you read about a wealthy woman over 42 having a baby it’s 95 % chance it’s using some other woman’s eggs. It gives false impression to women that they can totally wait until their mid-40’s to get pregnant. I mean you can but you better be rich and not care if the children have no genetic relation to you.
Egg donation. All these celebs aged 45+ (Janet was 49) are using the eggs of much younger women. The chances of a successful IVF pregnancy at that age are greatly increased if they don’t use their own geriatric eggs.
I don’t believe JJ was even pregnant though. Secret surrogate all the way.
JJ was absolutely not pregnant. The fact that she tried to pretend she was naturally pregnant at 50 was so fucking absurd. She’s really trying to surpass her brother in the bizarre.
She married a gay Arab man, bought some woman’s eggs, had them fertilized (probably with gay husband’s sperm) had a surrogate carry the baby, but released an absurdly bad photo of herself with a fake pregnancy belly to the media. (Google Janet Jackson pregnant for anyone that wants a laugh) Within two weeks of the baby being born in the UAE she files from divorce from hubby and they began a nasty divorce and custody battle.
I’m still trying to figure out what her game plan was. Did she think she could extort the husband for a lot of money via a custody battle? I’m assuming that he at least is biologically related to the baby because I can’t imagine he would have done this otherwise. He’s a gay man, but from a wealthy Muslim family, so he needed a beard and male heir. Janet going along with the charade made for a weird way to try and sell his heterosexuality, but at least he didn’t actually have to have sex with a icky woman to sire a son.
It seems Wassan (husband) won’t reveal she faked a pregnancy as long as she doesn’t reveal he’s a flaming homo. I don’t know if Janet has any real interest in the baby other than as way to get a big payday from a rich Arab. It’s all so fucking weird. Her and MJ obviously didn’t want their kids to have any Jackson genetics.
I don’t mean to go on about it but the whole thing was so wildly bizarre I couldn’t believe there was so little in the media about it. The media even played along with the hilariously bad pregnancy photos she released, when poor Beyoncé (a woman in prime child bearing years) was hounded for years for one talk show appearance that seemed suspect when she was pregnant. But the media was silent about 50 year old Janet in a terrible, obvious photoshop wearing a bad prop belly.
I have no doubt Ms Empath chose pickle/sauerkraut juice because woo. The person wearing the watch is in scrubs, it's the speech therapist and not mom wearing the apple watch, btw.
I try to only power level on these things when it answers questions. There is some value to feeding therapy with kids that are tube fed. They enjoy it (usually) it stimulates saliva production, which, lack of saliva is one of the reason you see jacked up teeth in these kids. My kid would take literally all day eating to get enough calories to survive, so she's tube fed for nutrition. (She's a bit better than potato, but not like a DS kid or anything). but she truly loves things like yogurt and avocados, and will fuss when we get to the bottom of a cup and it's over. That being said, there is a LOT of woo in the therapist community. We had one who insisted that all cancer could be cured by cutting out sugar, and wanted to replace kid's fruit yogurt with things like pate' because they're superfoods. You can imagine how that went.
It’s really not that bad. I mean recovery from any sort of abdominal surgery is rough for the first few days, but it was a small price to pay to avoid the hours of excruciating labour and then shoving a baby out of the hoo ha. Elective sections are great. The emergency ones are worse because you have to endure the labour AND the abdominal surgery.
This idea that caesareans are horrific is just a myth thrown around to stop women asking for them.
Have you experienced both? I never did either, but I was told this by women who had done it both ways, and they said, to a person, "Nature's way is better." However, if you need one, you NEEEEEEED one, and unnecessary c-sections are what I'm talking about.
There have been rumors for over 30 years that Janet Jackson had a baby with her first husband, James DeBarge. She didn't make public appearances for a few months, at the height of her career (and, for that matter, his too) and there was some speculation that this was why. Since no child has turned up claiming them as parents, either it was stillborn, or (more likely) there was no baby.
BTW, it's since been revealed that the abuse suffered by the Jackson kids from their father is dwarfed by what the DeBarge kids, especially the girls, endured.
It’s the mothers arm - because her ever present Apple Watch is there and it’s definitely in their house given the brick fireplace. I’m going to guess Medicaid would provide the rifton sitter given Luna’s head. Maybe she was shoving a pickle in her mouth yesterday because she knew they would be doing similar sensory testing soon? The gloves and special spoon certainly make it seem like some sort of therapist may be there overseeing this.
Why though? Why are they testing taste sensory shit on a baby with a g-tube? A child that has a terminal condition and is never going to eat food orally? All this unnecessary torment because the mother thinks her baby’s birth injury and cyst filled brain will be cured with organic food and crystals.
I have no doubt Ms Empath chose pickle/sauerkraut juice because woo. The person wearing the watch is in scrubs, it's the speech therapist and not mom wearing the apple watch, btw.
Ms Empath turning into another Gwen Hartley with her saying Luna is being "sassy" and speaking to her like she's a dog.
Also Luna is getting AFOs for her entire body. Both wrists, both legs and her torso. Mom is delighted about having a cyborg baby. But no evil western medicine for pregnancy and childbirth.
It's a common aversive liquid to use it wont hurt somoene but will be strong enough to get a response.
So all these orthpedics prove her hypotonia quite well. SPIO braces are used with spinal muscular atrophy and apethoid quadreplegia, both these disorders cause core weakness and issues with trunk control.
The hip abuduction brace is this little thing:
These are used when a child has hip dysplasia due to either low muscle tone or high muscle tone and is meant to force the hips into place. " Hip abduction braces are usually prescribed following hip dislocation. The hip brace works by preventing excessive hip flexion (bend) and holds your hip in a position away from your body (abduction). In this position your hip is least likely to re-dislocate. "
Final video also shows she has weak muscle control of her eyes as well. It's quite possible she ahs apethoid cerebral palsy on top of the cyst issue due to the lack of oxygen.
There is a huge industry in buying viable eggs/ovum from younger women. It’s quite a dark industry because unlike sperm it’s quite an ordeal to harvest them. Young women are paid about $10k to be pumped full of hormones so that they produce dozens of eggs at one time to be surgically harvested. Those eggs are then fertilized, embryos created and frozen for use in IVF - aka implanted into another woman.
It’s a shady industry in the USA but it’s even worse in Eastern Europe. There’s plenty of ppl who buy the egg, sperm and then hire a surrogate to carry the embryo. When Covid caused travel shutdowns there were hundreds of such babies stuck in Eastern Europe being cared for by nurses in hotels because the surrogates hathem, left, and the parents who paid for them in the UK or USA couldn’t come get them.
Anytime you read about a wealthy woman over 42 having a baby it’s 95 % chance it’s using some other woman’s eggs. It gives false impression to women that they can totally wait until their mid-40’s to get pregnant. I mean you can but you better be rich and not care if the children have no genetic relation to you.
JJ was absolutely not pregnant. The fact that she tried to pretend she was naturally pregnant at 50 was so fucking absurd. She’s really trying to surpass her brother in the bizarre.
She married a gay Arab man, bought some woman’s eggs, had them fertilized (probably with gay husband’s sperm) had a surrogate carry the baby, but released an absurdly bad photo of herself with a fake pregnancy belly to the media. (Google Janet Jackson pregnant for anyone that wants a laugh) Within two weeks of the baby being born in the UAE she files from divorce from hubby and they began a nasty divorce and custody battle.
I’m still trying to figure out what her game plan was. Did she think she could extort the husband for a lot of money via a custody battle? I’m assuming that he at least is biologically related to the baby because I can’t imagine he would have done this otherwise. He’s a gay man, but from a wealthy Muslim family, so he needed a beard and male heir. Janet going along with the charade made for a weird way to try and sell his heterosexuality, but at least he didn’t actually have to have sex with a icky woman to sire a son.
It seems Wassan (husband) won’t reveal she faked a pregnancy as long as she doesn’t reveal he’s a flaming homo. I don’t know if Janet has any real interest in the baby other than as way to get a big payday from a rich Arab. It’s all so fucking weird. Her and MJ obviously didn’t want their kids to have any Jackson genetics.
I don’t mean to go on about it but the whole thing was so wildly bizarre I couldn’t believe there was so little in the media about it. The media even played along with the hilariously bad pregnancy photos she released, when poor Beyoncé (a woman in prime child bearing years) was hounded for years for one talk show appearance that seemed suspect when she was pregnant. But the media was silent about 50 year old Janet in a terrible, obvious photoshop wearing a bad prop belly.
That's fucking gross, but of course no one ever talks about this eugenics.
Also what do you mean by "produce eggs", like, eggs prime to be fertilized? ... I'm just asking because I'd always thought women, unlike men, have a finite number of eggs (somewhere in the millions) that just come with your ovaries from birth (also the reason egg cells get dusty and degraded the older you get).
That's fucking gross, but of course no one ever talks about this eugenics.
Also what do you mean by "produce eggs", like, eggs prime to be fertilized? ... I'm just asking because I'd always thought women, unlike men, have a finite number of eggs (somewhere in the millions) that just come with your ovaries from birth (also the reason egg cells get dusty and degraded the older you get).
Women do have a finite number of eggs, but they undergo a sort of preparation process when they leave the ovary. If I remember correctly, as they make their way down the Fallopian tube it divides twice, but unevenly; one cell is bigger than the other both times. This is the egg that's ready for fertilization after arrival in the uterus. But I'm not a biology expert and can be very wrong about this, and if I am I apologize. But it's something like this, and these are the eggs that are either fertilized normally, or harvested for IFV.
That's fucking gross, but of course no one ever talks about this eugenics.
Also what do you mean by "produce eggs", like, eggs prime to be fertilized? ... I'm just asking because I'd always thought women, unlike men, have a finite number of eggs (somewhere in the millions) that just come with your ovaries from birth (also the reason egg cells get dusty and degraded the older you get).
Women who donate or sell their eggs are given large doses of fertility drugs to hyperstimulate their ovaries, and when the time is right, they are sedated and the eggs are harvested with a large needle. IDK how often they can do it, but I've heard of women having as many as 30 eggs extracted in one of these procedures. Some women have put themselves through college doing this, and truthfully, most of them are used for research.
Women who donate or sell their eggs are given large doses of fertility drugs to hyperstimulate their ovaries, and when the time is right, they are sedated and the eggs are harvested with a large needle. IDK how often they can do it, but I've heard of women having as many as 30 eggs extracted in one of these procedures. Some women have put themselves through college doing this, and truthfully, most of them are used for research.
Have you experienced both? I never did either, but I was told this by women who had done it both ways, and they said, to a person, "Nature's way is better." However, if you need one, you NEEEEEEED one, and unnecessary c-sections are what I'm talking about.
Yep, I’ve experienced both. The c section (and recovery) was a fucking walk in the park compared with the natural labour, birth injury, and subsequent repair surgery. Technically I didn’t NEED a c section second time around (from a physical or baby’s health POV) but I insisted, for mental health reasons, because I was terrified of having a repeat experience of the first birth.
Frankly I don’t think there’s such a thing as an unnecessary c section. If a woman asks for one, and she fully understands the risks, then that’s a valid choice she’s making about her own body.
Yep, I’ve experienced both. The c section (and recovery) was a fucking walk in the park compared with the natural labour, birth injury, and subsequent repair surgery. Technically I didn’t NEED a c section second time around (from a physical or baby’s health POV) but I insisted, for mental health reasons, because I was terrified of having a repeat experience of the first birth.
Frankly I don’t think there’s such a thing as an unnecessary c section. If a woman asks for one, and she fully understands the risks, then that’s a valid choice she’s making about her own body.
I agree, if a woman wants one that’s her right to have one. I def understand how a traumatic natural delivery could make someone not want to go through it again.
Migraine headaches were worse for me than labor and giving birth, but I do get bad migraines. The spectrum for how natural birth goes for a woman varies wildly -and that’s why people hear such conflicting opinions on natural vs c-section. Sometimes natural birth is relatively easy, difficult but managed and others are absolute nightmares. It’s different for every woman. Some women die giving birth to their first child, other women have 11 kids without issue. No one can predict how birth will go for someone. Whatever gets you a healthy mom and baby at the end is the best option.
That's fucking gross, but of course no one ever talks about this eugenics.
Also what do you mean by "produce eggs", like, eggs prime to be fertilized? ... I'm just asking because I'd always thought women, unlike men, have a finite number of eggs (somewhere in the millions) that just come with your ovaries from birth (also the reason egg cells get dusty and degraded the older you get).
@booklover is right, they inject a massive amounts of hormones to hyperstimulate the ovaries to release (hopefully) dozens of eggs. Women are born with a finite number of eggs (thousands) and release one every cycle.
Hormones creates hyper-stimulation and it’s dangerous. Retrieving the eggs is an ordeal so they want to try and get as many eggs as possible when they retrieve them. Not every egg will result in fertilization or a viable embryo so they want as many eggs as possible to increase the odds.
Women can only donate eggs a few times due to the risks involved. No one really knows how these massive hormone injections can effect you long term. Women who are doing IVF to get pregnant go through the same procedures. But when a woman’s own eggs don’t fertilize or don’t result in viable embryos/result in miscarriages they might resort to donor eggs.
You can even have chromosome and genetic testing and sex selection done on the embryos. On the upside this allows things like parents with the CF gene to have children without the deadly disease
It is eugenics but it costs a lot of money so it will be protected. People say looking through “donor profiles” is like going shopping. Gay men use this a lot to produce biological children - they use their sperm, donor eggs and a surrogate. This will cost you well over six figures. I think $200k is typical in the USA which is why people go to Eastern Europe where you might be able to get it for $50K if all goes well. Greece has a whole cottage industry for it too.
The only church/religion that opposes this stuff is the Catholic Church. They believe IVF is morally wrong in all situations, all the rest seem cool with whatever produces more tiny adherents.
I’d almost suggest an sciencey Frankenstein gay babies thread because there are so many interesting things about the very shady assisted reproduction industry now coming to light thanks to DNA databases...and lots of lawsuits. One donor (with over 20 children, prob more) was billed as athletic medical student, ended up being a chronic schizophrenic with a long criminal record. Another fertility doctor in Utah used his own sperm on patients instead of donor and husband sperm. One real med student donated sperm twenty five years ago and was told it would be used for a maximum of 5 births and only on the east coast (he lived in Oregon). DNA databases and sibling registries have revealed he has probably 30 plus donor children, some born in the same school district as his own children.
It’s basically been an mostly unregulated Wild West with billions of dollars being spent. Women give birth to children that have no genetic connection to them or the parents who will raise them, made from the genetic material of two people who have never met. I think most people have no idea how bonkers it all is.
The fertility industry — and the adoption industry — are so shady.
Many women can and do get pregnant over 40 naturally (but every month it gets harder), and many more can get pregnant with a little help, like Clomid, and then more can get pregnant with a LOT of help, like IVF. But some women can’t. And you won’t know which you’ll be.
And most babies born to older parents aren’t exceptional, go to any neighborhood of professors and lawyers in Boston or NYC or San Francisco and you’ll see lots of gray haired couples with their happy 10 year olds who are doing very well in school because both their parents have master’s degrees and own a lot of books. But some of those babies will be exceptional and again you won’t know if it’ll be yours.
I don’t understand ‘has a home birth with no medical intervention but then gets as much intervention as possible’.
The fertility industry — and the adoption industry — are so shady.
Many women can and do get pregnant over 40 naturally (but every month it gets harder), and many more can get pregnant with a little help, like Clomid, and then more can get pregnant with a LOT of help, like IVF. But some women can’t. And you won’t know which you’ll be.
And most babies born to older parents aren’t exceptional, go to any neighborhood of professors and lawyers in Boston or NYC or San Francisco and you’ll see lots of gray haired couples with their happy 10 year olds who are doing very well in school because both their parents have master’s degrees and own a lot of books. But some of those babies will be exceptional and again you won’t know if it’ll be yours.
I don’t understand ‘has a home birth with no medical intervention but then gets as much intervention as possible’.
No intervention and cheap woo was great until it backfired spectacularly, now she wants all the science and artificial life extension BS. Keep in mind they had to pay for Luna’s birth, but because she’s got a terrible disease now the govt is picking up the tab for everything.
The fact that the govt is paying for it is always a major factor in these cases. She wants all the free stuff she can get. She’s some IG woo food wannabe and her husband is a CrossFit trainer, unless there’s some rich grandparents somewhere Luna is actually a net benefit for their household income. (This is why white trash actually TRY to get their poor kids Dx with autism or other problems, they get cash if they do.)
You start getting child SSI for a infant with disabilities, so besides free health care, therapies, formula, etc...they get cash every month for Luna so looney Empath is basically getting paid to be a mommy/caregiver now. I know they said they moved to be closer to family, but Nevada pays better and bigger benefits than Indiana. This probably means mom now qualifies for Medicaid too and her next baby’s delivery will be covered by the govt. But if that means she will go to the hospital instead of opt for a cheap home birth, great.
.Im going to PL a bit so non-Americans and women who haven’t had kids can understand the financial motivations of woo stuff. Even though it’s presented as a “upper middle class woman” thing I’ve not really found that to be the case. (Rich upper class women want all the science then go organic woo after they get a perfect healthy baby. In my experience home birth ppl are hippies, religious fundies, etc... but none have much extra money. Women who use drugs (even just smoke weed) opt for home births to avoid the standard drug testing done at hospitals.
Prenatal, delivery and newborn care are expensive in the USA. If you are flat broke Medicaid covers it, but most people with jobs don’t qualify for Medicaid. (I think you need to make less than $18k a year to qualify)
I had good insurance and a baby still cost me $12k all up, and I had no issues and was out of hospital in 24 hours. Lots of people go with home birth and less/no prenatal care because of money - not that Empath would admit that motivation. Even with insurance coverage I still had to pay $150 for each ultrasound done, I think I had like 9 because I wanted everything checked and regularly, I could have had fewer, only 2 or none if I preferred. Cost does factor into this. Given what we know about Empath I’ll guess she had no or crappy insurance so a home birth was appealing just from a cost saving perspective. If you don’t have insurance, are having a home birth and things go south you know you are looking at $100,000 bill if you head to the hospital for an emergency c-section. It’s sadly one of the reasons hesitate to go to the hospital when they should.
I’ve always thought that if the crazy potato parents had to pay out of pocket for their healthcare they would use next to no intervention. No body is going to put themselves into the street to keep a husk on a ventilator for two more years, but if the govt is picking up the tab they demand ALL the interventions.
fertility stuff
Yup, I’ve know quite a few women who had children naturally in their early 40’s. A few had accident babies because they thought they didn’t have to worry about getting pregnant anymore. Whoops! But no problems, healthy, smart kids.
I’ve read plenty about younger women unable or struggling to get pregnant in their 20’s and early 30’s.
This is why they advise women to have certain tests run if they are really serious about wanting children. You’ll hear things like a 25 year old has hormone levels or eggs of a 45 year old, or a 40 year old woman’s test results in the range of the average 28 year old. It’s a real crap shoot.
But a lot of women get angry if they struggle to get pregnant at 39 and feel deceived. But they might have struggled to get pregnant at 28 too.
Older celebrities have been quite deceptive about how they managed to have children in their mid-40’s, implying it was natural and that the kids are even genetically related to them. it’s given the wrong impression to some women about the ages you can reasonably expect to have children easily.
OBGYN offices offer limited fertility treatments, just some prescriptions and such. But the real fertility industry is run by reproductive endocrinologists who’s entire practice revolves around IVF. New York, San Francisco, LA and DC tend to have the big IVF fertility centers and practices. One round of IVF round starts at around $20 to 30k. The average is 3 rounds to get pregnant.
Donor eggs have been pushed by the IVF docs because it greatly increases their “live birth rates.” When rich couples or women are trying to decide where to spend six figures to try and get pregnant they will go to the doctor with the best results. Most women doing IVF and using their own eggs tend to have lower success rates (if their eggs were good they wouldn’t need IVF, unless the problem is on the male side. Low or no sperm count is a big reason for IVF treatment too.) Donor eggs have much better success rates, so doctors tend to aggressively push them to keep their live birth ratio/stats up. I don’t personally get it because I wouldn’t want to carry the child of another woman and husband/rando. Incels are obsessed with men getting “cucked” but science now gives women the same opportunity...and they pay big money to do it.
Im going to PL a bit so non-Americans and women who haven’t had kids can understand the financial motivations of woo stuff. Even though it’s presented as a “upper middle class woman” thing I’ve not really found that to be the case. (Rich upper class women want all the science then go organic woo after they get a perfect healthy baby. In my experience home birth ppl are hippies, religious fundies, etc... but none have much extra money. Women who use drugs (even just smoke weed) opt for home births to avoid the standard drug testing done at hospitals.
Prenatal, delivery and newborn care are expensive in the USA. If you are flat broke Medicaid covers it, but most people with jobs don’t qualify for Medicaid. (I think you need to make less than $18k a year to qualify)
I had good insurance and a baby still cost me $12k all up, and I had no issues and was out of hospital in 24 hours. Lots of people go with home birth and less/no prenatal care because of money - not that Empath would admit that motivation. Even with insurance coverage I still had to pay $150 for each ultrasound done, I think I had like 9 because I wanted everything checked and regularly, I could have had fewer, only 2 or none if I preferred. Cost does factor into this. Given what we know about Empath I’ll guess she had no or crappy insurance so a home birth was appealing just from a cost saving perspective. If you don’t have insurance, are having a home birth and things go south you know you are looking at $100,000 bill if you head to the hospital for an emergency c-section. It’s sadly one of the reasons hesitate to go to the hospital when they should.
I cannot emphasize enough how much of the woo and crystal DIY healthcare and home birth shit is taking advantage of the desperation of lower class pregnant women who cannot access healthcare in the United States. There's a reason that so many of those essential oil herbal medicine MLM huns are women on the knife's edge of poverty. A lot of them are in a coverage gap where they make just a smidge too much to qualify for assistance programs but do not make enough to afford medical bills.
Healthcare access and affordability is very much divided along income and class lines. Having health insurance also isn't the same thing as having health care. It doesn't insulate someone from insane healthcare costs and predatory practices like balance billing. A pregnant woman may have health insurance, but that doesn't mean that she can afford to actually utilize the healthcare that the insurance supposedly covers. The "1 SIMPLE TRICK UR DR DOESN'T WANT U TO KNO!!!" marketing starts to sound really appealing to someone who needs to see a doctor but can't. The companies and people that push these worthless snake oils are the scum of the earth.
No intervention and cheap woo was great until it backfired spectacularly, now she wants all the science and artificial life extension BS. Keep in mind they had to pay for Luna’s birth, but because she’s got a terrible disease now the govt is picking up the tab for everything.
The fact that the govt is paying for it is always a major factor in these cases. She wants all the free stuff she can get. She’s some IG woo food wannabe and her husband is a CrossFit trainer, unless there’s some rich grandparents somewhere Luna is actually a net benefit for their household income. (This is why white trash actually TRY to get their poor kids Dx with autism or other problems, they get cash if they do.)
You start getting child SSI for a infant with disabilities, so besides free health care, therapies, formula, etc...they get cash every month for Luna so looney Empath is basically getting paid to be a mommy/caregiver now. I know they said they moved to be closer to family, but Nevada pays better and bigger benefits than Indiana. This probably means mom now qualifies for Medicaid too and her next baby’s delivery will be covered by the govt. But if that means she will go to the hospital instead of opt for a cheap home birth, great.
.Im going to PL a bit so non-Americans and women who haven’t had kids can understand the financial motivations of woo stuff. Even though it’s presented as a “upper middle class woman” thing I’ve not really found that to be the case. (Rich upper class women want all the science then go organic woo after they get a perfect healthy baby. In my experience home birth ppl are hippies, religious fundies, etc... but none have much extra money. Women who use drugs (even just smoke weed) opt for home births to avoid the standard drug testing done at hospitals.
Prenatal, delivery and newborn care are expensive in the USA. If you are flat broke Medicaid covers it, but most people with jobs don’t qualify for Medicaid. (I think you need to make less than $18k a year to qualify)
I had good insurance and a baby still cost me $12k all up, and I had no issues and was out of hospital in 24 hours. Lots of people go with home birth and less/no prenatal care because of money - not that Empath would admit that motivation. Even with insurance coverage I still had to pay $150 for each ultrasound done, I think I had like 9 because I wanted everything checked and regularly, I could have had fewer, only 2 or none if I preferred. Cost does factor into this. Given what we know about Empath I’ll guess she had no or crappy insurance so a home birth was appealing just from a cost saving perspective. If you don’t have insurance, are having a home birth and things go south you know you are looking at $100,000 bill if you head to the hospital for an emergency c-section. It’s sadly one of the reasons hesitate to go to the hospital when they should.
I’ve always thought that if the crazy potato parents had to pay out of pocket for their healthcare they would use next to no intervention. No body is going to put themselves into the street to keep a husk on a ventilator for two more years, but if the govt is picking up the tab they demand ALL the interventions.
fertility stuff
Yup, I’ve know quite a few women who had children naturally in their early 40’s. A few had accident babies because they thought they didn’t have to worry about getting pregnant anymore. Whoops! But no problems, healthy, smart kids.
I’ve read plenty about younger women unable or struggling to get pregnant in their 20’s and early 30’s.
This is why they advise women to have certain tests run if they are really serious about wanting children. You’ll hear things like a 25 year old has hormone levels or eggs of a 45 year old, or a 40 year old woman’s test results in the range of the average 28 year old. It’s a real crap shoot.
But a lot of women get angry if they struggle to get pregnant at 39 and feel deceived. But they might have struggled to get pregnant at 28 too.
Older celebrities have been quite deceptive about how they managed to have children in their mid-40’s, implying it was natural and that the kids are even genetically related to them. it’s given the wrong impression to some women about the ages you can reasonably expect to have children easily.
OBGYN offices offer limited fertility treatments, just some prescriptions and such. But the real fertility industry is run by reproductive endocrinologists who’s entire practice revolves around IVF. New York, San Francisco, LA and DC tend to have the big IVF fertility centers and practices. One round of IVF round starts at around $20 to 30k. The average is 3 rounds to get pregnant.
Donor eggs have been pushed by the IVF docs because it greatly increases their “live birth rates.” When rich couples or women are trying to decide where to spend six figures to try and get pregnant they will go to the doctor with the best results. Most women doing IVF and using their own eggs tend to have lower success rates (if their eggs were good they wouldn’t need IVF, unless the problem is on the male side. Low or no sperm count is a big reason for IVF treatment too.) Donor eggs have much better success rates, so doctors tend to aggressively push them to keep their live birth ratio/stats up. I don’t personally get it because I wouldn’t want to carry the child of another woman and husband/rando. Incels are obsessed with men getting “cucked” but science now gives women the same opportunity...and they pay big money to do it.
And yet, had Luna been born with a disability, like say Autism, they'd have to jump through hoops to get any services. But because Ms. Empath fucked up, the government pays for it.
