2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Someone Awful]

Trump's improvement with blacks and latinos is almost all we talk about here.

True, but not everyone here believes it's happening.

I was thinking about it, but I think the reason why Trump is pushing to get a judge out so soon is because he is anticipating the Democrats cheating like they have never cheated before. He knows the election likely won't be called on November 3rd (as it should) and that the Democrats will do whatever they can to declare Biden the winner via VBM fraud. If that happens, Trump needs another conservative judge that will rule in his favor and declare bullshit like "no signature in mailed-in ballots guys!" invalid. That's why the Democrats are so scared about the possible confirmation of another Supreme Court judge because if Barrett or Lagoa gets through, they will get a check on their scam. That would devastate the party's credibility with anyone that isn't a bootlicker.

If we get a confirmation, Ginsburg's death might be a blessing in disguise for us.

Jacksonville is the largest reliably Republican city in the entire country. Duval is not a swing county, Duval is his base.

Not anymore for Duval County. / Archive

Trump barely carried the county in 2016 and DeSantis lost it to Gillum in 2018, both were close races. The black population has only increased since then. He's also underperforming among whites (though not as much as the MSM would want to tell you) which makes it even more likely Duval County falls. If Trump can make a substantial gain among blacks, which he can, he can keep the county. It's possible Trump loses the county and win the states though if he keeps Duval, that IMO seals Florida up for him.

It's so crazy that if I didn't see it with my own two eyes I wouldn't believe it.

Please do Pelosi. Show how spiteful you are and give Republicans every reason to deliver Trump a well deserved win.

 

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They have the votes to replace Ginsberg. The DNC couldn't find enough RINOs to betray America.

 

[Someone Awful]

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They have the votes to replace Ginsberg. The DNC couldn't find enough RINOs to betray America.

I want to get excited, but first, why is he reliable?

 

[CrippleThreat]

I want to get excited, but first, why is he reliable?

What, you don't trust Lyin' Ted?

Tbf, he has changed after 2016.

 

[Someone Awful]

What, you don't trust Lyin' Ted?

Tbf, he has changed after 2016.

I'm not asking about Ted Cruz. I'm asking about Rooster. Who is he and why is he trustworthy?

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

The people pissing and moaning about how there's going to be a civil war are doomer faggots who don't understand history, and who at this point, I am convinced actually want a civil war so they can justify being a doomer faggot.

Tensions may be higher than they have been in recent decades, but they're nowhere near as high as they were during civil war times, or hell, even during the 1960s. You think political discourse is bad now? Try living in 1968 where actual political figures were being assassinated left and right, and racial tensions were actually at their highest. Trying living during the 1850s where people were actually massacring each other over at what the time was a political ideology which was way more divisive than any kind of bullshit we have today.

You think a bunch slacktivists, and larpers bitching twitter is going to cause a civil war? You don't know what pre-civil war times actually look like. If 1968 didn't cause a civil war, 2020 sure as shit isn't going to cause one either. Get off the computer, turn off the news, get off social media, go outside, and calm down.

The difference between now and 1968 is the American military isn't united against a common enemy like it was during the Cold War. As Big Nasty said, a hypothetical Civil War 2.0 won't be caused by a bunch of ANTIFA LARPers grabbing umbrellas and Molotovs to throw at the National Guard, but rather would be as a result of the members of the armed forces defecting into a new separatist army. That's how the American Civil War as well as other recent civil wars (i.e. Syria) started. Sure, the rebel armies had/have civilian volunteers, but they started as separatist factions from the main government armies. But back in 1968 however, the United States military was pretty united against the communists. Even through Vietnam was an unpopular war with a lot protests back home, it was doubtful for like half of the US Army to just randomly rebel and form a new fighting force to partake in a Civil War.

But, that was then, this is now...the Cold War is long over, and our army doesn't have a unified goal like it did in the 60's. It's no longer about killing those red commies anymore. Nowadays the US armed forces just serves the purpose of doing what the government wants for Israel. Although it's unlikely for our soldiers and their officers to defect and create some kind of new rebel army, it is however a lot more likely than the era of the Cold War and strong anti-communist sentiment. The War on Terror is just a meaningless quagmire at this point, and times have changed since 9/12/01 when everyone was united against Islamic terror.

What I'm saying is it's not likely, but it's certainly plausible that a large portion of soldiers could defect to a rebel army as long as a large portion of high-ranking military officers disobey Trump. That's something which would have never happened in the 60's when almost every military officer in America was against communism and wanted to wipe North Vietnam off the map.

 

[1Tonka_Truck]

I have reached an unfortunate conclusion.

We are screwed. There is no way either side will accept the legitimacy of the coming election. The mail in voting, while unhelpful, is just the icing on the shit cake. There is simply no bridging the political divide. All the exit ramps to a second civil war have been completely ignored. We can argue all day about the idiocy that brought us to this point, but at the end of the day it no longer matters. We have arrived and its time to pay our dues. May God defend his own and give them victory, may the war be short, the casualties few, and truth prevail. Get out of the cities now.

7 weeks to go.

While things are pretty shit, we haven't had the razing of Lawrence, the caning of a senator, or Harper's Ferry yet.

Everybody isn't going to wake up one day to "war were declared." There has to be some level of prolonged violence somewhere, even if it's extremely local. My bet for the inciting incident is the NoVacrats coming for everyone's guns, again. Sheriff organized militias fighting against outsiders trying to drastically change their home state would make a good Bleeding Kansas 2.0.

 

[GuntPunt]

just so I can get a baseline, what are other candidates, incumbent or otherwise, who have drawn those?

I have never seen another person to get the Amish to the polls. Legitimently noone, and noone I could find in research. Mittens tried in 2012, and failed spectacularly.

I just checked RSBN with the Trump rally schedule and I'm impressed.

He's doubling Ohio tomorrow? (Hopefully. That Neveda "triple" was confusing though, but he likes the Governor). He's also doubling Pennsylvania with Florida in the middle.

It will probably be late September or October when he pulls the "finally" Arizona rally. The same goes for Biden too; stop cucking around in Deleware and relying on fraud, at least act on the chance to base build in Arizona.

Would love to see a Texas rally just to see the size of that beast.

Here is an old Trump campaign stop list from a few days ago. Not only Trump, but every Trump is chipping in in battleground states. They just don't get coverage because they arent the main event. Also, Trump Jr gets more people than Biden in his rallies. Fucking lol.

Does Biden's team think there's a chance of those states going blue? He should be going all-out in the battlegrounds, maybe there's a chance with NC.

It just shows Biden can't get them to the polls. All thse polls inflate him because they expect Obama turnout and even better results. Fucking Minnesota with Biden +16 would be higher than Obama 08 margin. Even that NBC poll released today is REGISTERED VOTERS in fucking late September. Its a fucking joke.

What a fucking sanctimonious blowhard. “Have faith in on my prediction?” Does he think he’s Isaiah the Prophet? Helmut Norpoth‘s Primary Model is about as valid as his, but Norpoth doesn’t proselytize about Trump being the new messiah, or that anyone who doubts the arbitrary predictors of primary turnout are faithless.

On that topic, wonder if People’s Pundit has any thoughts on the Primary Model? I imagine he’d be sympathetic to it, even if it’s not as rigorous as his polling methodology.

Pundit has said predictive models like the 13 keys do not necessarily account for changes in the race. He and Barnes like the Primary model because it evaluated voter enthusiasm, especially in an incumbant election. He says it in one of his "Inside the Numbers" episodes. Barnes quotes the Primary model from time to time on Twitter.

In other news, Nate Stone is coping. He is currently playing with the 270towin site trying to make a Biden win. He knows his model is dogshit.

 

[XYZpdq]

Still worth going to though. Trump has more potential to grow his black support than some here realize and that's why he's acting on a swing county.

I think he'll go to a mostly Hispanic county like Miami-Dade or Osceola next month.

I wonder if there's also something like avoiding the counties and cities where the local administration could fuck the event over.

 

[heyitsmike]

Trump barely carried the county in 2016 and DeSantis lost it to Gillum in 2018, both were close races. The black population has only increased since then. He's also underperforming among whites (though not as much as the MSM would want to tell you) which makes it even more likely Duval County falls.

So in a Democrat wave year, the Dems got 51.6%, which is the lowest number the GOP got in every other year in that chart.

Yes, Jacksonville has a large black population. And even with Obama on the ticket twice the Dems failed to carry it.

In my lifetime, Jacksonville has had a Democrat Sheriff for 8 years and left office in 2003, and a Democrat Mayor that won by 1000 votes and lost reelection.

I'm from North Florida. Believe me when I tell you there is no shortage of trailer parks or people who live in them. Duval will be fine.

 

[XYZpdq]

Thinking about Florida locations I wonder if Amway Center set as an early voting site affects if Trump could hold a rally there?

 

[Pointless Pedant]

The difference between now and 1968 is the American military isn't united against a common enemy like it was during the Cold War. As Big Nasty said, a hypothetical Civil War 2.0 won't be caused by a bunch of ANTIFA LARPers grabbing umbrellas and Molotovs to throw at the National Guard, but rather would be as a result of the members of the armed forces defecting into a new separatist army. That's how the American Civil War as well as other recent civil wars (i.e. Syria) started. Sure, the rebel armies had/have civilian volunteers, but they started as separatist factions from the main government armies. But back in 1968 however, the United States military was pretty united against the communists. Even through Vietnam was an unpopular war with a lot protests back home, it was doubtful for like half of the US Army to just randomly rebel and form a new fighting force to partake in a Civil War.

But, that was then, this is now...the Cold War is long over, and our army doesn't have a unified goal like it did in the 60's. It's no longer about killing those red commies anymore. Nowadays the US armed forces just serves the purpose of doing what the government wants for Israel. Although it's unlikely for our soldiers and their officers to defect and create some kind of new rebel army, it is however a lot more likely than the era of the Cold War and strong anti-communist sentiment. The War on Terror is just a meaningless quagmire at this point, and times have changed since 9/12/01 when everyone was united against Islamic terror.

What I'm saying is it's not likely, but it's certainly plausible that a large portion of soldiers could defect to a rebel army as long as a large portion of high-ranking military officers disobey Trump. That's something which would have never happened in the 60's when almost every military officer in America was against communism and wanted to wipe North Vietnam off the map.

The war on terror isn't an endless quagmire, it's basically over excluding Afghanistan if the negotiations there break down and that's just an internal conflict within the country, not something that actually threatens the USA itself. Al Qaeda and ISIS were dismantled in the 2010s and while Islamic extremists certainly haven't gone away entirely nothing like 9/11 has happened since. Additionally, the USA has far more domestic oil production now, so the middle east is far less strategically relevant.

After the USA blew up Soleimani earlier this year Iran was unable to respond with anything serious. Islamic terror just isn't a concern at all for US national security anymore.

I wouldn't say that having an external enemy prevents civil war though. Russia notoriously fell to communism in the middle of being invaded by Germany.

 

[JosephStalin]

The difference between now and 1968 is the American military isn't united against a common enemy like it was during the Cold War. As Big Nasty said, a hypothetical Civil War 2.0 won't be caused by a bunch of ANTIFA LARPers grabbing umbrellas and Molotovs to throw at the National Guard, but rather would be as a result of the members of the armed forces defecting into a new separatist army. That's how the American Civil War as well as other recent civil wars (i.e. Syria) started. Sure, the rebel armies had/have civilian volunteers, but they started as separatist factions from the main government armies. But back in 1968 however, the United States military was pretty united against the communists. Even through Vietnam was an unpopular war with a lot protests back home, it was doubtful for like half of the US Army to just randomly rebel and form a new fighting force to partake in a Civil War.

But, that was then, this is now...the Cold War is long over, and our army doesn't have a unified goal like it did in the 60's. It's no longer about killing those red commies anymore. Nowadays the US armed forces just serves the purpose of doing what the government wants for Israel. Although it's unlikely for our soldiers and their officers to defect and create some kind of new rebel army, it is however a lot more likely than the era of the Cold War and strong anti-communist sentiment. The War on Terror is just a meaningless quagmire at this point, and times have changed since 9/12/01 when everyone was united against Islamic terror.

What I'm saying is it's not likely, but it's certainly plausible that a large portion of soldiers could defect to a rebel army as long as a large portion of high-ranking military officers disobey Trump. That's something which would have never happened in the 60's when almost every military officer in America was against communism and wanted to wipe North Vietnam off the map.

No. Speaking as a retired senior officer. The concept of military subordination to civilian authority has been very, very deeply ingrained into the military. Keep in mind that when we enlist/are commissioned, we take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and obey the officers appointed above us. Loyalty to the Constitution comes first, and notice the military pledges no fealty to any particular person. You voted, maybe donated privately, maybe talked with friends privately, maybe wrote your Congressman, but a coup - no. Just, no.

Let's talk 1968. Don't believe you were around at the time. I sure was. The US military was divided against itself due to what many believed to be an utterly useless war in Vietnam. Lot of troops were drafted, and people didn't like being drafted. Lots of morale problems, drug use, attacks on senior noncommissioned and commissioned officers, primarily in the Army. There were also racial issues in all the services. The resources were prioritized for Vietnam. That caused problems in Germany and Korea, where we also had substantial presences. Would have been big problems had the Soviets/Warsaw Pact attacked in Europe, or the North Koreans attack across the Korean DMZ, or both.

We aren't even close to a real civil war. The vast majority of military people are as disgusted with BLM/Antifa's criminal acts as anyone else. Only way I could see a real civil war happening would be if you had a combination of a major economic dislocation coupled with a drive by the President and Congress to eliminate freedoms enumerated under the Bill of Rights. As a rule, your more senior people lean conservative and your more junior people lean liberal. Would say discipline would hold, overall. But you REALLY don't want a major civil war breaking out in ANY nuclear-armed country, especially ones as heavily armed as the USA or Russia. We've been damned lucky to see the nuclear genie kept inside the bottle by India and Pakistan. Hope God keeps cutting us slack on that issue.

 

[Stoneheart]

Loyalty to the Constitution comes first, and notice the military pledges no fealty to any particular person. You voted, maybe donated privately, maybe talked with friends privately, maybe wrote your Congressman, but a coup - no. Just, no.

MacArthus was the last person who could have led a succesful coup.

Only way I could see a real civil war happening would be if you had a combination of a major economic dislocation coupled with a drive by the President and Congress to eliminate freedoms enumerated under the Bill of Rights.

You mean a Biden win?

 

[break these cuffs]

No. Speaking as a retired senior officer. The concept of military subordination to civilian authority has been very, very deeply ingrained into the military. Keep in mind that when we enlist/are commissioned, we take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and obey the officers appointed above us. Loyalty to the Constitution comes first, and notice the military pledges no fealty to any particular person. You voted, maybe donated privately, maybe talked with friends privately, maybe wrote your Congressman, but a coup - no. Just, no.

Let's talk 1968. Don't believe you were around at the time. I sure was. The US military was divided against itself due to what many believed to be an utterly useless war in Vietnam. Lot of troops were drafted, and people didn't like being drafted. Lots of morale problems, drug use, attacks on senior noncommissioned and commissioned officers, primarily in the Army. There were also racial issues in all the services. The resources were prioritized for Vietnam. That caused problems in Germany and Korea, where we also had substantial presences. Would have been big problems had the Soviets/Warsaw Pact attacked in Europe, or the North Koreans attack across the Korean DMZ, or both.

We aren't even close to a real civil war. The vast majority of military people are as disgusted with BLM/Antifa's criminal acts as anyone else. Only way I could see a real civil war happening would be if you had a combination of a major economic dislocation coupled with a drive by the President and Congress to eliminate freedoms enumerated under the Bill of Rights. As a rule, your more senior people lean conservative and your more junior people lean liberal. Would say discipline would hold, overall. But you REALLY don't want a major civil war breaking out in ANY nuclear-armed country, especially ones as heavily armed as the USA or Russia. We've been damned lucky to see the nuclear genie kept inside the bottle by India and Pakistan. Hope God keeps cutting us slack on that issue.

Lotta people talking about what the US military is going to do have never been in the military.

 

[Michael Jacks0n]

Let's talk 1968. Don't believe you were around at the time. I sure was. The US military was divided against itself due to what many believed to be an utterly useless war in Vietnam. Lot of troops were drafted, and people didn't like being drafted. Lots of morale problems, drug use, attacks on senior noncommissioned and commissioned officers, primarily in the Army. There were also racial issues in all the services. The resources were prioritized for Vietnam. That caused problems in Germany and Korea, where we also had substantial presences. Would have been big problems had the Soviets/Warsaw Pact attacked in Europe, or the North Koreans attack across the Korean DMZ, or both.

I see your point. I guess I spoke too soon before really researching the subject, especially considering how fragging was definitely a fairly common thing in the Vietnam War.

As you stated, in order for a real civil war to happen again (i.e. the armed forces splitting in half against the government), you'd need the president to be such an absolute extremist despot that it's completely plausible for mass defection against high-ranking brass. But in my defense, though, is just how slimy and manipulative the current mainstream American media is, and how people are so damn prone to gaslighting and brainwashing against obvious facts. I don't necessarily foresee a real, legit Boogaloo 2.0 or anything, BUT I am inclined to believe the media and Silicon Valley can easily push a halfassed mass-uprising by distorting facts enough to make Trump seem like an actual dictator. Hell, most libs already unironically believe that anyway.

For example: People see footage of Obama-era detainment for illegal aliens, and libs shriek "OMG literally Auschwitz!". CNN shows footage of burning buildings with black looters smashing everything in sight, and the reporters flat out say they're peaceful protests. A small group of anti-maskers can protest outside a Midwest town hall, and the media reports it as a far-right extremist coup. A gaggle of crust-punks can squat in city streets and attempt to grow plants on cardboard, and the media praises them as a successful autonomous socialist paradise. Police can release bodycam footage of a black 20-something thug with a violent history and armed a gun rushing towards cops and getting shot, and Black Twitter will retweet it and convince millions of people that a 12-year old black boy was selling Girl Scout cookies when a mob of white cops ambushed him with AK-47's.

Never underestimate how fucking stupid and retarded a lot of Americans seem to be at the moment, and how they'll literally believe 2+2=5 if Vox or Newsweek writes an article telling them it's the truth.

Again, I'm trying to be optimistic here, but as long as the world devolves into full Clown World and as long as the American public is losing braincells by the minute thanks to the media, who really knows what's possible right now?

 

[Pointless Pedant]

No. Speaking as a retired senior officer. The concept of military subordination to civilian authority has been very, very deeply ingrained into the military. Keep in mind that when we enlist/are commissioned, we take an oath to support and defend the Constitution of the United States and obey the officers appointed above us. Loyalty to the Constitution comes first, and notice the military pledges no fealty to any particular person. You voted, maybe donated privately, maybe talked with friends privately, maybe wrote your Congressman, but a coup - no. Just, no.

Let's talk 1968. Don't believe you were around at the time. I sure was. The US military was divided against itself due to what many believed to be an utterly useless war in Vietnam. Lot of troops were drafted, and people didn't like being drafted. Lots of morale problems, drug use, attacks on senior noncommissioned and commissioned officers, primarily in the Army. There were also racial issues in all the services. The resources were prioritized for Vietnam. That caused problems in Germany and Korea, where we also had substantial presences. Would have been big problems had the Soviets/Warsaw Pact attacked in Europe, or the North Koreans attack across the Korean DMZ, or both.

We aren't even close to a real civil war. The vast majority of military people are as disgusted with BLM/Antifa's criminal acts as anyone else. Only way I could see a real civil war happening would be if you had a combination of a major economic dislocation coupled with a drive by the President and Congress to eliminate freedoms enumerated under the Bill of Rights. As a rule, your more senior people lean conservative and your more junior people lean liberal. Would say discipline would hold, overall. But you REALLY don't want a major civil war breaking out in ANY nuclear-armed country, especially ones as heavily armed as the USA or Russia. We've been damned lucky to see the nuclear genie kept inside the bottle by India and Pakistan. Hope God keeps cutting us slack on that issue.

Russia did effectively fall into a low-level civil war after the collapse of the USSR. A lot of military weapons were sold to Chechen rebels on the black market and Russia struggled for years to put down the resulting rebellion, only really succeeding in the last few years under Putin. Ex-Soviet military arms were also sold internationally to conflicts around the world. Despite the general collapse of social institutions they managed to stop rebels from actually getting hold of nuclear materials though.

Pakistan is in a similar situation where there has historically been a lot of unrest, especially back in the 2000s around the Bhutto assassination, but not utter collapse to the point where rebels got nuclear warheads. I don't expect the USA to slide into that level of chaos any time soon, though a low level civil war far short of the point of rebels seizing nuclear missiles, like the Irish Troubles, is more likely.

 

[JosephStalin]

Russia did effectively fall into a low-level civil war after the collapse of the USSR. A lot of military weapons were sold to Chechen rebels on the black market and Russia struggled for years to put down the resulting rebellion, only really succeeding in the last few years under Putin. Ex-Soviet military arms were also sold internationally to conflicts around the world. Despite the general collapse of social institutions they managed to stop rebels from actually getting hold of nuclear materials though.

Pakistan is in a similar situation where there has historically been a lot of unrest, especially back in the 2000s around the Bhutto assassination, but not utter collapse to the point where rebels got nuclear warheads. I don't expect the USA to slide into that level of chaos any time soon, though a low level civil war far short of the point of rebels seizing nuclear missiles, like the Irish Troubles, is more likely.

After the fall of the USSR we provided money, equipment, and assistance to Russia to help make sure all the nukes were corralled. Ukraine agreed to give the nukes on their soil back in exchange for a Russian promise not to interfere with their country. Didn't turn out too good for Ukraine. Want to say Belarus also agreed to give the nukes on their soil back.

It is possible to see some sort of low-level conflict here, likely shoot-outs in cities between Americans and groups like a BLM/Antifa almagam. Possible, but things would need to get much worse and law/enforcement/National Guard would have had to fail in keeping things under control. Anything big, as has been previously stated, would require other factors.

 

[Balr0g]

Uhuh I hope Biden never stops talking otherwise 200 million people die due to him

What exactly is the difference to Trump? Trump may speak quit coarse but everyone understand him

 

[Salubrious]

I'm actually going to press X to doubt on Biden actually giving out a list of nominations.

He'll just say that "RBG has just passed and we are going to give her the respect she deserves." Or "we will focus on that after the election is won."

I already have crazy liberals on Facebook saying that Mitch McConnell is the worst scum alive because he's "not even waiting for her corpse to be cold."

There's really no reason or incentive for Biden to actually make a list yet.

Called it. No list from Biden.