The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[Freedom Fries]

So when you pull the plug on grandma, you're murdering her?

Unless Grandma isn't gonna make it then yeah. Same as aborting nonviable fetuses if Grandma is dying this week anyway. Of course people tend to give advanced directives to their loved ones and/or hospitals so they get to make that choice themselves.

If you pull the trach out of Grandma's throat that she needs because of an improving infection, then yeah you killed her.

welfare programs for poor women

nobody starves to death in this country. This has always been the most ludicrous argument for abortion. Yes I am in favor of not letting citizens of America starve to death.

mask

just wear your own mask. You get to decide your level of risk here

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

I am quite against that, not because I don't care about people's lives, but it should not be up to the nation to make that decision for the people, but rather the state. We do not live in a country, that being the US, where the nation has more power than the state. The nation gives that power to the states not the other way around usually. The governor should be deciding decisions like that and laws and rules locally, not nationwide.

Of course, you being the disingenuous blue-dog democrat you are you always have to say "if you're against this policy, then you're against what's morally right" because of course if you're against something or you oppose something than that means you yourself are immoral, which is absolutely fucking retarded. Your black and white perspective on the world completely mars your view of policy and politics at large and I hope to God that you break out of that line of thinking because the world is more complex than frivolous matters of what you yourself an insignificant pizza shit like me consider right.

So you're fine with outlawing abortion on a national level, but not a mask mandate on a national level? That's hypocritical as shit for someone who is "pro life"

just wear your own mask. You get to decide your level of risk here

Are you really not aware that masks are to protect you from infecting other people. You're saying "abortion is murder, but screw high-risk people to covid!" That's not only stupid logic, it's purely hypocritical

 

[The Pink Panther]

The funniest thing about this is that Mr. HHH jump-shifted his argument from abortion to other forms of policy to try to make myself look hypocritical because he himself knows that trying to argue in favor of abortion is a farcical endeavor that only leads to him justifying the killing of a child. Goalpost jumping, yet again.

 

[2021Murder]

Why would a site for lolcows argue aganist abortion? Its like if a porn forum was arguing about child molestation
We enjoy seeing the effects of people not killing off people that clearly would have had an extremely shitty life but deep down we know the world would be better off without these lolcows. We could get our harvest elsewhere.

Seriously though is this thread just people agreeing with each other or do people seriously think Ethan Ralph and his zoomer girl would give a kid a quality life.

 

[The Pink Panther]

So you're fine with outlawing abortion on a national level, but not a mask mandate on a national level? That's hypocritical as shit for someone who is "pro life"

No it's not, those are two different issues. The mask mandate while good in its conception overall gives the federal government more power over the state than necessary to the type of government that this country is founded on. Just because the idea sounds good because OH I'M HELPING SO MANY PEOPLE AND SHIT, doesn't mean it's the correct course of action overall especially for the country in the future. The federal government gives power to states, not the other way around.

Unfortunately, you haven't even bothered to question that point and even my point about my correct notion of you considering me immoral and hypocritical and not looking deeper into my argument against it, typical of your pizza shit black and white mentality. Please develop a more concise and complex view on policy and politics before posing this shit at me.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

The funniest thing about this is that Mr. HHH jump-shifted his argument from abortion to other forms of policy to try to make myself look hypocritical because he himself knows that trying to argue in favor of abortion is a farcical endeavor that only leads to him justifying the killing of a child. Goalpost jumping, yet again.

I'd say saying that abortion is murder but that high-risk people to covid can die of a disease because you're too much of a baby to wear a mask is pretty hypocritical. Anyone who isn't a blind right-winger can see the hypocrisy in your logic

No it's not, those are two different issues. The mask mandate while good in its conception overall gives the federal government more power over the state than necessary to the type of government that this country is founded on. Just because the idea sounds good because OH I'M HELPING SO MANY PEOPLE AND SHIT, doesn't mean it's the correct course of action overall especially for the country in the future.

And giving the federal government the ability to outlaw abortion isn't giving them more power? Lol oh wow.

 

[Freedom Fries]

Are you really not aware that masks are to protect you from infecting other people. You're saying "abortion is murder, but screw high-risk people to covid!" That's not only stupid logic, it's purely hypocritical

They're for both actually, but also depends on the mask. You get to decide your own exposure risk to covid in any number of ways. It's not even remotely comparable.

You're awful at comparisons

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

They're for both actually, but also depends on the mask. You get to decide your own exposure risk to covid in any number of ways. It's not even remotely comparable.

You're awful at comparisons

It's incredibly similar, I can't help it that you're too dense to see it. You're saying you should have the right to not wear a mask during a pandemic and kill at-risk people, but abortion is murder. So you're saying a fetus is more valuable than someone with cancer.

 

[Eris!]

Would you raise these things for as long as they live?

I would be morally obligated to do so.

Rofl the retards on here arguing that abortion is literal killing/murder are just that, retards. A cluster of cells or a fetus in its early-to-mid stages of development are neither sentient nor babies

They are human babies. Their sentience is irrelevant.

They are a potential of life, and the nullification of such a potential happens all the time!

They are not potential, they are actual.

Males annul these “potential lives” through condoms as much as they do with masturbation, or any non-vaginal intercourse, since the sperm is vital for the ultimate conception of a child.

A genetically incomplete sperm and a fertilized post-conception egg are not comparable. The former is not a human being, the latter is.

An abortion is a safe, non-harmful and pragmatic way to avoid a significant amount of emotional, financial and physiological strain for all women that do not desire babies.

People who make this sort of argument for abortion reveal their disdain for life itself. Do you wish you had been aborted?

The only argument against it is to redefine non-sentient meats or cells as life, which is not a scientifically-backed

There is literally no conceivable good-faith argument that a fetus is not life. Not one. It is not possible to disagree that a fetus is alive.

It can't breathe on its own or even digest its own food. That is not a live human and thus not murder

These are both non-sequiturs. Neither of these things impact its status as a human or as life. It is a human life that cannot breathe on its own or digest its own food.

So when you pull the plug on grandma, you're murdering her?

Yes, duh.

So you're fine with outlawing abortion on a national level, but not a mask mandate on a national level? That's hypocritical as shit for someone who is "pro life"

There is nothing hypocritical about wanting to outlaw murder but not wanting to legally mandate clothing for dubious health reasons.

And giving the federal government the ability to outlaw abortion isn't giving them more power? Lol oh wow.

I have zero problem giving the federal government the power to forbid murder. That's perhaps the number one most important power that we create governments for.


Abortion is murder. Murder is wrong. All people who pretend to disagree are being disingenuous or stupid.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

There is nothing hypocritical about wanting to outlaw murder but not wanting to legally mandate clothing for no dubious health reasons.

I have zero problem giving the federal government the power to forbid murder. That's perhaps the number one most important power that we create governments for.


Abortion is murder. Murder is wrong. All people who pretend to disagree are being disingenuous or stupid.

dubious health reasons? Oh, you're one of those "masks don't work" tards.

It isn't murder because a fetus isn't a person yet. No different than when you jack off, you aren't killing anyone

 

[SloberrinJ]

Roe v. Wade is cited as the single most influential deterrent for mass shootings. Apparently when tight restrictions began to occur again was when mass shootings began to happen again, along with the Internet loopholes in gun legislation, hence the deadliest mass shootings having occurred in the past 13 years, the previous ones having occurred prior to Roe v. Wade. Not my argument, citing stats and the sociologists opinions. I happen to find this a sneaky leftest tactic and a bullshit way to get there. I'm pro-choice, but not to the end of cheating/gaslighting.

 

[Eris!]

It isn't murder because a fetus isn't a person yet

Yes, it is. It has been created, it exists. It is a person.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Yes, it is. It has been created, it exists. It is a person.

It hasn't been created yet. It's still in formation. Just like how a bridge isn't a bridge until it's done.

 

[The Pink Panther]

I'd say saying that abortion is murder but that high-risk people to covid can die of a disease because you're too much of a baby to wear a mask is pretty hypocritical. Anyone who isn't a blind right-winger can see the hypocrisy in your logic

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that. And besides, even if you do, the national mask mandate is fucking useless. Most states have already put in place laws and regulations in terms of wearing masks or whatever because like I said, the majority of STATES put that in place.

So, no I would not give the federal government the power to do that and the fact that you can't see past my reasoning beyond categorizing me partisan-like as an ANTI-MASKER (that of which I'm not, I honestly don't give a shit, just follow the law) AFRAID OF WEARING MASKS shows your inability to engage in arguments at a genuine level of prowess.

And giving the federal government the ability to outlaw abortion isn't giving them more power? Lol oh wow.

Once again, I never said that the federal government should outlaw abortion. So to assume that this is my position on the matter is rather farcical and presumptive of you. I think the state should, not the federal government. And even then, abortion is a form of murder and pretty fucking shit one if you ask me, so outlawing it would be just, although on a state level rather than federal.

 

[Eris!]

It hasn't been created yet. It's still in formation.

I literally cannot take you seriously.
Google the word conception.

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

Stop putting words in my mouth. I never said that. And besides, even if you do, the national mask mandate is fucking useless. Most states have already put in place laws and regulations in terms of wearing masks or whatever because like I said, the majority of STATES put that in place.

So, no I would not give the federal government the power to do that and the fact that you can't see past my reasoning beyond categorizing me partisan-like as a ANTI-MASKER AFRAID OF WEARING MASKS shows your inability to engage in arguments at a genuine level.


Once again, I never said that the federal government should outlaw abortion. So to assume that is my position on the matter is rather farcical and presumptive of you. I think the state should, not the federal government. And even then, abortion is a form of murder and pretty fucking shit one if you ask me, so outlawing it would be just, although on a state level rather than federal.

You are saying abortion is murder, yet you are saying the federal government shouldn't outlaw murder?

I literally cannot take you seriously.
Google the word conception.

I know what conception is. Life doesn't begin at conception. The only people who believe that are religious fundies in Ireland and the US, and idiots brainwashed by them

 

[Eris!]

Life doesn't begin at conception.

You literally just typed the sentence, "Life does not begin at [its beginning.]"
You are an insane person or a retard.
Your request for your arguments to be taken seriously is denied.

When does life begin, if it doesn't begin when it begins?

 

[Hollywood Hulk Hogan]

You literally just typed the sentence, "Life does not begin at [its beginning.]"
You are an insane person or a retard.
Your request for your arguments to be taken seriously is denied.

When does life begin, if it doesn't begin when it begins?

Life begins when the baby is able to support itself out of its mother's womb.

Just because I dig a hole in the ground for my house doesn't mean it's a house already.

 

[The Pink Panther]

You are saying abortion is murder, yet you are saying the federal government shouldn't outlaw murder?

Logically, many people still do not view abortion as a form of murder, so when you think about it, the more states that take the stance of it being a form of murder, the more it can convince the federal government to consider the same. It's strategic. Very unwise to go to the federal option first. The amount of abortions being had has lessened by the years, going lower than even when Roe V. Wade was established, so the lower it goes, the perception will probably change further; that's what I hope anyway.

But ideally, hell yes, I would ban it federally. Sure.

 

[Mr. Bung]

So then are you also against masturbation, since you're killing unborn kids in your sperm?

Dude, read my last post, sperm are not "unborn kids," just bodily cells. Next motherfucker who says this gets a whuppin'.