The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Using rape/incest/rare diseases for pregnancy is completely ridiculous. It's like arguing that we should have the right to murder people using the example of justified killing in home invasion.
In general, unless there is some incredibly rare problem with contraceptives, abortion is similar to a hit and run. You fucked up and now required to suffer the consequences of your actions. But while society at least had somewhat agreed that the first two months are okay for abortion, the need for political parties to always ramp up their demands has created a backlash where an increasing amount of people would rather there be no abortions out of sheer spite.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

Do you pro-lifers (anti-choicers!) even think before you speak? Do you guys have any idea how dangerous it is to stop the blood sacrifices and displease Baal?

And where will we get blood for passover? Should we go back to kidnapping kids?

Now we have an easy supply and you get rid of unwanted wombtumors. Win/win.

 

[ChikN10der]

Do you pro-lifers (anti-choicers!) even think before you speak? Do you guys have any idea how dangerous it is to stop the blood sacrifices and displease Baal?

And where will we get blood for passover? Should we go back to kidnapping kids?

Now we have an easy supply and you get rid of unwanted wombtumors. Win/win.

See, this is the kind of outside the box thinking needed to move this debate forward.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Do you pro-lifers (anti-choicers!) even think before you speak? Do you guys have any idea how dangerous it is to stop the blood sacrifices and displease Baal?

And where will we get blood for passover? Should we go back to kidnapping kids?

Now we have an easy supply and you get rid of unwanted wombtumors. Win/win.

Jews don't worship Baal, they worship Yahweh and generally hate Baal worshipers.

Matter of fact, Jews have a bad habit of committing genocide on anyone who worships Baal or Moloch.

Which is why I find it hilarious when "traditionalists" (AKA Fedora Atheists who now claim to be Christian because that's edgy now) accuse Jews of Baal worship/Moloch cultism.

My sarcastic barbs at traditionalists aside, the abortion debate needs to be dropped. Even if you think it's murder, the fight is lost and any attempt to argue against it is political poison. If you want more women to be right-wing and ensure a genuine backlash against progressive leftism then you're going to have to let Roe v. Wade go and take the L.

I'm sorry, but the Religious Right did a lot of damage to the political landscape on their way out and over a decade after their demise, we're still dealing with the aftermath.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

Jews don't worship Baal, they worship Yahweh and generally hate Baal worshipers.

Oh right, right, I forgot we call em Yahweh in front of you lot, don't we?

My sarcastic barbs at traditionalists aside, the abortion debate needs to be dropped.

Completely agree. Can't we get a mod to lock this thread or something?

 

[Syaoran Li]

Completely agree. Can't we get a mod to lock this thread or something?

Sarcasm aside, the mods opened this thread to serve as a containment area since it was shitting up the other threads.

I do think the Right has to concede the abortion issue, since that's part of why women are a lot less likely to not be leftist or progressive. The fundies shat the bed for multiple generations and abortion sperging was one of their biggest shibboleths.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

I do think the Right has to concede the abortion issue, since that's part of why women are a lot less likely to not be leftist or progressive. The fundies shat the bed for multiple generations and abortion sperging was one of their biggest shibboleths.

The right should concede every issue. The future is female. And only the children she chooses get to live.

 

[Syaoran Li]

The right should concede every issue. The future is female. And only the children she chooses get to live.

And this line of reasoning is why so many automatically assume anyone right of Mao is an incel or manosphere type.

The Right shouldn't concede every issue, but the abortion issue is one that they should. It's over and done with and was settled decades before most of us were born. Unless you're over the age of 50 and have a redneck accent straight out of a Herschell Gordon Lewis movie, if you're a guy sperging about abortion, people are going to make incel fedora jokes about you and discredit anything you say without consideration.

 

[ChikN10der]

Sarcasm aside, the mods opened this thread to serve as a containment area since it was shitting up the other threads.

I do think the Right has to concede the abortion issue, since that's part of why women are a lot less likely to not be leftist or progressive. The fundies shat the bed for multiple generations and abortion sperging was one of their biggest shibboleths.

Nah. We just have to keep showing the truth, however hard planned parenthood and kamala harris try to hide it.

Back 8 years ago, your side still had most peope believing there is no such thing as partial birth abortion. You also didn't have gov coonman on the record endorsing post birth abortion.

I don't think it will be complete outlawed, nor do I think it should be, but we'd probably have reasonable restrictions, like the rest of the abortion allowing world.

And this line of reasoning is why so many automatically assume anyone right of Mao is an incel or manosphere type.

The Right shouldn't concede every issue, but the abortion issue is one that they should. It's over and done with and was settled decades before most of us were born. Unless you're over the age of 50 and have a redneck accent straight out of a Herschell Gordon Lewis movie, if you're a guy sperging about abortion, people are going to make incel fedora jokes about you and discredit anything you say without consideration.

Le settled science. Plus "we'll make fun of you".
There's a funny thing about actual principals, they stay principals even when unpopular.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

And this line of reasoning is why so many automatically assume anyone right of Mao is an incel or manosphere type.

The Right shouldn't concede every issue, but the abortion issue is one that they should. It's over and done with and was settled decades before most of us were born. Unless you're over the age of 50 and have a redneck accent straight out of a Herschell Gordon Lewis movie, if you're a guy sperging about abortion, people are going to make incel fedora jokes about you and discredit anything you say without consideration.

I agree. It's more important to concede to social pressures than it is to stand for convictions or against moral injustice.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I agree. It's more important to concede to social pressures than it is to stand for convictions or against moral injustice.

Right, stand against moral injustices...

Unless those moral injustices happen to "immoral degenerates" then it's righteous and just and you'll still insist they're moral deviants who are guilty years after DNA evidence exonerates them because Jack Chick and The Distributist would never lie to you, no siree.

Le settled science. Plus "we'll make fun of you".
There's a funny thing about actual principals, they stay principals even when unpopular.

And they stay principles when Comrade Dangerhair has you lined up against the gulag wall too

 

[Trump's Chosen]

Unless those moral injustices happen to "immoral degenerates" then it's righteous and just and you'll still insist they're moral deviants who are guilty years after DNA evidence exonerates them because Jack Chick and The Distributist would never lie to you, no siree.

Yes, I can see why you bring up 3 unjust imprisonments 20 years ago.

How many abortions were there in 1993?

Besides, shouldn't you concede the issue? Wouldn't want to look like a neckbeard dredging up old stuff.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Yes, I can see why you bring up 3 unjust imprisonments 20 years ago.

How many abortions were there in 1993?

The difference is these young men had their lives ruined in the name of traditionalist morality and they weren't the only ones either, they were simply among the few to get national attention

I don't consider abortion to be unjust, but I do prefer it to be done as early and safely as possible.

 

[Trump's Chosen]

1,330,414 is the answer. I'm glad these didn't have their lives ruined in the name of traditionalist morality.

 

[Syaoran Li]

1,330,414 is the answer. I'm glad these didn't have their lives ruined in the name of traditionalist morality.

Sincere question, but are you even actually a Christian? Or are you just an edgy ex-euphoric who traded the fedora and longcoat for the capotain and cassock?

Before you respond with the "Maybe this will work on you" meme, I'm genuinely curious here as a lot of the self-proclaimed "traditionalists" on the internet are just fedora tippers who want to remain edgy and now atheism is so passe.

As much as I disagree with @Terrorist and @Lemmingwise I can at least admit I know they both genuinely believe in the stuff they say and I can respect that to a certain degree. Other guys like @Forgetful Gynn and @DumbDude42 are self-admitted crypto-fedora atheists

 

[Not Really Here]

My sarcastic barbs at traditionalists aside, the abortion debate needs to be dropped. Even if you think it's murder, the fight is lost and any attempt to argue against it is political poison. If you want more women to be right-wing and ensure a genuine backlash against progressive leftism then you're going to have to let Roe v. Wade go and take the L.

I mean, it's around 50-50 so I really don't know about the topic being "political poison". It sounds like the 'just give up and move left some more' that led to Trump in the first place.

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[Syaoran Li]

I mean, it's around 50-50 so I really don't know about the topic being "political poison". It sounds like the 'just give up and move left some more' that led to Trump in the first place.
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I'm curious about many of those women who are against abortion and support overturning Roe vs. Wade Boomers and Gen X'ers versus Millennials and Zoomers?

 

[Trump's Chosen]

Sincere question, but are you even actually a Christian?

I don't see what it would matter either way. Do christians have a monopoly on morality?

 

[Syaoran Li]

I don't see what it would matter either way. Do christians have a monopoly on morality?

No, but a lot of internet "traditionalists" claim they do and that all morality comes from Christian values

So, if you're personally perturbed by abortion for non-religious reasons, I get that. But the hard truth is Roe v. Wade is here to stay

 

[Not Really Here]

I'm curious about many of those women who are against abortion and support overturning Roe vs. Wade Boomers and Gen X'ers versus Millennials and Zoomers?

It's pretty close to the same as how many of the same category has had a child.