California Governor Gavin Newsom Bans Sale Of Gas-Powered Cars In State By 2035 - I'm sure poor people will be able to afford electric cars by then.

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I'm sure people won't just buy their cars in the surrounding states and drive back to California.

Also, Teslas should be cheap enough for poor people in 15 years.

“We need bold action,” said California Governor Gavin Newsom on Wednesday. Shortly before that statement, Newsom lived up to those words by issuing an executive order mandating that all new passenger vehicles sold in the state to be zero-emission by 2035.

The governor said bluntly, “CA is phasing out the internal combustion engine. By 2035 every new car sold in CA will be an emission free vehicle.”

“Of all the simultaneous crises that we face,” Newsom announced, “the biggest is the climate crisis.” His goal, he said, was to “detoxify the economy.”

By 2045, the governor announced, trucks would need to adhere to the standards, as well. But a later statement from Newsom’s office said medium- and heavy-duty vehicles would be required to transition “where feasible.”

“You can still keep your internal combustion cars,” said the governor. “You can still trade them, sell them. We are not taking them away.”

“This is the most impactful step our state can take to fight climate change,” Newsom continued. “For too many decades, we have allowed cars to pollute the air that our children and families breathe. You deserve to have a car that doesn’t give your kids asthma. Our cars shouldn’t make wildfires worse – and create more days filled with smoky air. Cars shouldn’t melt glaciers or raise sea levels threatening our cherished beaches and coastlines.”

In a statement, the governor’s office maintained that the transition “would achieve more than a 35 percent reduction in greenhouse gas emissions and an 80 percent improvement in oxides of nitrogen emissions from cars statewide.”

He said the transportation sector in CA represents more than 50% of its emissions. In terms of reducing emissions overall, Newsom maintained, “We can’t get there unless we accelerate our actions in the transportation sector.”

“We will move forward to green our fleet here in the state,” he said.

Currently California has 34 manufacturers of eclectic vehicles, reported the governor. The state’s second largest export, said Newsom, is electric vehicles. “This is an economic opportunity,” he said. He also insisted that the mandate was for zero-emission vehicles, and was not specific to all-electric vehicles.

Newsom’s power to issue the executive order comes via his stewardship of the California Air Resources Board. When asked why he didn’t seek legislative action instead, Newsom said, “This moment demands leadership. It demands movement.”

“This is the next big global industry,” declared Newsom, “and California wants to dominate it.”

Coincidentally — or maybe not coincidentally — Tesla founder Elon Musk on Tuesday shared a photo of the company’s new all-electric semi.

“Bill Ford gets it,” said of the Ford Motor Company scion. “Honda, Volvo, BMW get it.” He said those companies are investing billions and billions of dollars in meeting the Obama-era emissions standard, despite the fact that President Trump rolled it back.

He also highlighted the fact that Volkswagen had on Wednesday introduced its first all-electric SUV, the ID.4, which VW says is an “SUV that’s meant to bring electric vehicles to the mainstream.”

The governor said the state would incentivize adoption of the vehicles “through credits…through rebates.”

Newsom said he was also looking to inaugurate “a just transition” for the state’s many petroleum-producing companies. He said fracking in California would be phased out, but hinted there would be help for local businesses in that sector.

On September 8, Newsom spoke strongly about climate change and the need for action.

“Extreme fire events that we believe are climate-induced,” said the governor, require stronger commitments from state, local and federal governments.

When challenged on the cause of the fires, Newsom ticked off a list of extraordinary climate-related factors coming together this year including, “unprecedented temperatures, a heat dome, 14,000 lightning strikes over a 24-hour period and 150 million-plus dead trees related to a multi-year drought.”

He added: “I have no patience for climate-change deniers. It’s inconsistent with the reality on the ground, the facts.”

At that time the state had seen a record 2.6 million acres burned by wildfires. As Newsom made his announcement on Tuesday, that number had grown to 3.7 million acres.

Newsom previously spoke directly to President Donald Trump at a joint appearance about his environmental concerns. The president then dismissed comments by scientists about the need for action.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

The risk of your battery dying does not trump the effectiveness of going to any old gas station and filling up rather than waiting to charge. You're burning fossil fuels to charge it, why not just skip the middle man.

Without major construction of nuclear all electric cars will ever be is natural gas by proxy. Elaborately greenwashed with "renewables" in the case of CA.

3. Electric cars are unironically better even disregarding the environment entirely. That's what I don't think A&H gets. It's not just hippie shit. Electrics are quieter, faster, and have a lower TCO.

But they all have lower utility. Where's the electric 1-ton dually to pull the rancher's horse trailer? The 3/4 ton with a service body for the mobile machinist? The crew cab 4x4 to take the guys out to the logging operation? Once you try doing anything more than just shuffling people to and fro in an urban setting the limitations of electrics become readily apparent.

There's a lot less to go mechanically wrong on an electric cars. Long life batteries are still a work in progress, but there's been a lot of good development on that. And once electrics are a significant portion of the fleet, battery recycling will reduce costs substantially.

You only get so many cycles on batteries. Even the latest-greatest-bestest are iffy at making it more than a decade/100,000 miles with regular use. They degrade a little bit with every cycle. That has always been the major hurdle along with size and weight. There still has been no "eureka!" discovery that eliminated that and they pale as energy storage devices compared to chemical fuel.

Compare this with fully mature ICE technology that can run easily a quarter million before major overhaul. You don't have to worry about your car not being able to make it to grandma's house anymore after 5 years of use. It's going to perform more or less like it did off the showroom floor until you decide to shitcan it for something new.

 

[NerdShamer]

That's fucking stupid, there isn't an electric vehicle in that size class even available yet.

What happened to glowing in the dark about electric vehicles?

 

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Without major construction of nuclear all electric cars will ever be is natural gas by proxy. Elaborately greenwashed with "renewables" in the case of CA.

But they all have lower utility. Where's the electric 1-ton dually to pull the rancher's horse trailer? The 3/4 ton with a service body for the mobile machinist? The crew cab 4x4 to take the guys out to the logging operation? Once you try doing anything more than just shuffling people to and fro in an urban setting the limitations of electrics become readily apparent.

You only get so many cycles on batteries. Even the latest-greatest-bestest are iffy at making it more than a decade/100,000 miles with regular use. They degrade a little bit with every cycle. That has always been the major hurdle along with size and weight. There still has been no "eureka!" discovery that eliminated that and they pale as energy storage devices compared to chemical fuel.

Compare this with fully mature ICE technology that can run easily a quarter million before major overhaul. You don't have to worry about your car not being able to make it to grandma's house anymore after 5 years of use. It's going to perform more or less like it did off the showroom floor until you decide to shitcan it for something new.

Well yeah, since there's no electric pickups on the market, there aren't any electric pickups on the market. That seems a bit reductionist, especially since no less than four companies are working on electric pickups. You wouldn't use a Model S to haul hay, but you wouldn't use a BMW 3 series for that either.

Also, there's literally nothing wrong with LNG. It's cheap, less worse than oil or coal, and uses infrastructure that can be repurposed for renewable gas.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

Well yeah, since there's no electric pickups on the market, there aren't any electric pickups on the market. That seems a bit reductionist, especially since no less than four companies are working on electric pickups. You wouldn't use a Model S to haul hay, but you wouldn't use a BMW 3 series for that either.

The "pickups" they are working on are little better than pavement princess grocery-getters. Electric Subaru Brats, essentially. Anything planned or proposed is completely devoid of the functionality and utility of a wide swath of light-duty vehicles, which is what I am getting at.

They have not solved this issue and considering the hand-waving they did for medium-duty and heavy-duty trucks they are just as pessimistic as I am of it ever being solved.

 

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The "pickups" they are working on are little better than pavement princess grocery-getters. Electric Subaru Brats, essentially. Anything planned or proposed is completely devoid of the functionality and utility of a wide swath of light-duty vehicles, which is what I am getting at.

They have not solved this issue and considering the hand-waving they did for medium-duty and heavy-duty trucks they are just as pessimistic as I am of it ever being solved.

Depends on what you need it for. Towing heavy loads over moderate distances favors the torque of electric motors. Driving long rural distances in the snow is something current battery tech will really struggle with.

 

[ColtWalker1847]

What happened to glowing in the dark about electric vehicles?

That thing is a glorified yard spotter. Not a proper Class 8 OTR truck.

To give it a range equivalent to a normal truck with twin 150 gal diesel tanks would require batteries that would push it over it's allowed combination weight. I.E. It could pull a trailer to power itself with no payload. That's it.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Is California "getting better"?

 

[The Demon]

Irrelevant.
The California power grid can't handle the amount of electricity required for this kind of changeover, and they don't have the generation required.

Not only that, but the actual power that's generated is just as dirty as oil based power, if not even more

 

[Troonos]

Ah yes, the Justin Trudeau of America. What a massive faggot.

 

[Coolio55]

Someone mentioned it before but LOL if you're thinking about the used electric car market.
Teslas are the first cars to come with DRM and microtransactions and if you've seen the insides you'll know it's all well made glued together shit built to last and totally recyclable*!

*(In a 3rd world country where everything is dumped and the child slave workers consume toxic chemicals)

 

[Exigent Circumcisions]

Canadian

Even worse.

t. a fucking Leaf

 

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Someone mentioned it before but LOL if you're thinking about the used electric car market.
Teslas are the first cars to come with DRM and microtransactions and if you've seen the insides you'll know it's all well made glued together shit built to last and totally recyclable*!

*(In a 3rd world country where everything is dumped and the child slave workers consume toxic chemicals)

That's true of essentially all modern cars, if you're comparing a Tesla to a 2000 Civic you're being silly. I would love if "integrated infotainment" died a quiet death, but it's not really related to the drivetrain.

Also, BMW tried car DLC first.

 

[Smug Chuckler]

I have a wonderful idea for green energy: we put newsom and his goons in giant hamster wheels

 

[Return of the Freaker]

quasi-operational REE mine

I'm pretty sure California has more than one of those

 

[Cokemusheen]

I'm pretty sure California has more than one of those

In fact the ONLY rare earth element mine in the US is in a California

 

[Pixy]

Cars don't give children asthma, that's genetics. By that same token, cars give children eczema, as there is a predisposition towards developing eczema in a child if there is a family history asthma - especially in older siblings.

Obviously, this line of thinking is rubbish. A better argument could have been the link between elevated pollution levels and deaths among those with breathing problems, as we have seen in regions with high pollution like Asia.

In fact the ONLY rare earth element mine in the US is in a California

Australia already is more than willing to sell to its American overlords.

 

[Mr. Skeltal]

I'm pretty sure California has more than one of those

I said quasi-operational, Mountain Pass is still in operational limbo due to the trade war and a long period of cold lay-up. I'm too lazy to find the article, but the owner stated in an interview that they're bringing the facility back online as trade relations with China worsen.
Places like Berkley and San Francisco are also REE mining facilities but their product is more akin to common table salt than it is to any valuable rare earths.

 

[ShortBusDriver]

Poor people don't buy new cars anyways (and if they do they deserve to stay poor). And hopefully by 2035 used electric cars are a thing.

The A&H reflexive autism about "quiet car bad" is pretty funny though.

Used electric cars are never going to be a thing because the batteries will eventually wear out and are cost prohibitive to replace.

 

[Cheesegirl78]

This would be fine, if it wasn't because its not just going to aim for brand new factory selling, they will crack down on the used cars market, they've been at it for a long time already, and of course with the change will come brand new expensive fines and sanctions for simply using fossil fuel cars, its not about "electric car bad" its about how they are aiming to fix traffic jams by completely removing the middle and low working class out of the streets

I see smog and registration fees going sky-high for gas autos, and Newsom and his cronies will claim it's to pay for the added infrastructure the electrics will need.
I pay nearly $200 every year for a 20 year old car, and $60-80 every other year for smog fees. I've heard rumors that Newsom wants to make yearly smogging the law now.

 

[ShortBusDriver]

A lot of fuss is made about this but it's dramatically overblown because people are looking for reasons to shit talk electrics. Electric cars are pushing 600, 700, 800km ranges now. If you can drive 800km without needing to stretch your legs, eat, and shit; more power to you, but I think that's silly.

What electric car is pushing 800km?

That doesn't even get into a host of other problems like the complete lack of any place to charge one.

If you live in an apartment where do you plan on charging this thing? Do you thing hundreds or thousands of apartment complexes are suddenly going to install these chargers?

Or are you supposed to move into some hipster $2,000 / month unit to go along with your $80,000 Tesla?