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Man, Kiwi Farms customer service sucks.

Assorted things that happened lately.

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It was a sad day for Liam and Conquest Comics as Xenotype artist Ody was conscripted for compulsory military service in Greece, preventing him from working on further work for their co-owned franchise. Personally, I knew this show was going to be a banger when I saw Liam's shaved head, which he says was necessary for an EEG brainscan. Fellow Liam-watcher and Joker Spirit shaman "Big Daddy", in his own Xenotype: Pursuit review, made the incisive speculation that Liam and Ody's target was to make enough money from this first-time effort to get Ody an exemption from military service, but fell short of this long shot of a goal. With that in mind, Liam made a now-privated stream throwing out a pitch to the chat of crowdfunding future Xenotype content in monthly installments. This isn't a new idea, as Frog himself two weeks ago threw out the idea of a monthly subscription for Cyberfrog content (as well as licensing/contracting the comic franchise out to other creators) but was talked down down by Peter Simeti and Sketch Therapy.

Liam's chat had their own objections, namely paying shipping 12 separate times a year for a creative team capable of pushing out full graphic novels for no apparent reason, or how the market for monthly periodicals has been in freefall for 8 years while GNs have grown in sales by at least 40% according to Comichron. As Liam's dejection yet insistence on this idea was pressed, Jon Malin joined the panel to give some no-nonsense talk on this subject and how it appeared from Malin's standpoint that this was a rash and impetuous major business decision that was made on little if any research. Liam, flustered, alluded to a conflict between Ody's regular dad and orange internet dad on the regularity of money received from Xenotype, beyblades aside, and that all this apparently was a response to that. Malin's response was one of incredulity, yelling that Ody is a grown man, Liam isn't his dad, that the young Greek is responsible for making his own business decisions and that, if there's pressure for Ody to be pulling a regular income, why is Ody actively refusing work-for-hire commissions? Malin's apoplexy intensifies as he recalls having to work construction on bridges and high-rises for ten years when he needed "regular income" until drawing comics paid the bills.

Not really having an argument against this, Liam began to spiral in the Cates-ian sense into something about how action is needed because it's important that the next generation be able to carry the torch of the comics creative medium into the future and thus save comics instead of this preoccupation with Youtubing. Micah Curtis, somehow the voice of reason in this, asks that since Liam is effectively Ody's manager, why not just screen through some work-for-hire contracts and commissions? With this business issue settled, a cathartic wave washes over the panel as Jon asks why the fuck has the show consisted of livecasting Micah playing some gundam RPG the whole time.



Comicsgate auteur Mandy Summers, author of Wart the Wizard and Hardcore Pornosaur, has corralled a second art-simp into her reverse harem as she has announced her third crowdfund project, Pirate Queen on IndieGoGo. Basing her pricing model off of Frog's, but unsure how to justify the price points, has went ahead with lewd content starting at $125 USD, the $200 tier offering two sketches (one adult) by the artist. Amusingly, Mandy may actually finish her third campaign before Martina Markota finishes her first with Lady Alchemy.

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Fortune has been less kind to fellow Comicsgate e-girl Piper/Fyzzgiggidy (pictured), who has been removed from the "Graded Point Five" creative team and youtube channel for unspecified reasons. Piper's response to this was to turn towards what she describes as "that dark corner of Comicsgate", the wrong side of the CG tracks with burnt out cars, gangs of Etsy Boys roaming the alleyways looking for loose streamyard links accompanied with the voices of Sketch and Liam howling in the distance. Getting extremely drunk, Piper employed the "classic Liam" approach to youtubing by inviting Sketch, Liam, Oz Arts and Testefy_HD onto her channel with the stated goal of "resolving differences".
Piper's inaugural shitshow stream went on for a full 11 hours (now privated) as she entered what could only be described as her 'self-destructive Comicsgate Emo' phase. Ironically, it wasn't entirely unsuccessful as Sketch and Testefy put their long, shared Panamanian history aside for a temporary NAP so that they could focus their attentions of the hated LiamOz, but also had Liam screaming in incadescent rage Piper into literal tears at the indignity of being tricked into sharing a platform with Testefy and Sketch, as the level of e-mnity between the two was irreconcilable at this point.

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Tragically, this NAP did not extend to Piper herself as Sketch Therapy began to turn his fire upon her circle for appearing on a Testefy stream (to clarify that Liam never made her cry) and platforming anti-CG traitors like him as well as LiamOz, resulting in Piper taking down her twitter, deleting her discord and Dark Gift Comics "distancing himself from Comicsgate" as a collateral simp casualty. Such are the risks one runs when venturing into the dark side of Comicsgate without proper preparation.



Things were eventful on the Oz Show for once, a triple-set as first disgraced "anti-CG" eminence Zombienomicon made an appearance to notify Oz Arts that he was to cease and desist besmirching his good name and that his attempts in letting one lucky contestant realize their spacetravel dreams was legitimate but undone by the jealous, petty machinations of a single person he placed perhaps too much trust in. A story that would repeat itself again when his pure vision of a Comicsgate Wiki was dashed by the plotting of others. Zombienomicon appeared to be especially offended by the mere existence of Ryzie Lee; it turns out both parties mutually consider the other to be a disgrace to Australians. Zombienomicon was vicious in his recounting of Ryzie's many failings as a human being and contributing member of society as the Oz Show regulars formed a noise-wall defense of their drunken jester while others poked and prodded the anti-CG presence from the stream.

This was then followed by the actual topic of the episode before dashed, the conflict between Micah Curtis and Raz0rfist over the latter's signing of a publication contract with Vox Day, followed by Frog's intervention by siding with Raz0rfist and telling Micah to shut the fuck up. Frog's motives for this are up in the air, given Comicsgate's extremely inconsistent stance regarding Vox Day in the past, embracing Alt-Hero writer Chuck Dixon while casting out Jon Del Arroz as a white supremacist nazi for endorsing Vox Day's views. My own conjecture is a combination of being sick of lesser figures in CG burning bridges with people who have actual platforms combined with a general fatigue of putting up with Micah's shit. The Oz Show panel proceeds to slag off Micah as a cancel culture idiot borderline SJW, which was interrupted by the surprise appearance of Micah Curtis. Ryzie in a choice extremely unusual for him retires early, no doubt exhausted after the emotional onslaught of being called a foolish pillowfucker by a 50 year old conman.

Finally the stream includes footage from the privated Liam stream summarized at the beginning of this post, helpfully provided by Testefy associate BlackMercury. Oz was careful not to show too much, as he was unsure Liam would channel strike even him if he posted too much of Liam's content (true).
Here are the final two hours of the privated Liam stream you highlight:


Malin joins at 1:13:52
 
is stems from a creator called Brian Hitch tweeting yesterday about getting into crowdfunding, which started a shitstorm as both pro-CGers and anti-CGers tried to woo him to their respective sides.

Going onto Twitter in 2020 and expecting to have a rational conversation about anything was Hitch's first mistake. Still shocks me how many industry pros are unaware of what a cancerous tumor 99% of twitter is WRT anything comics related.

Basing her pricing model off of Frog's, but unsure how to justify the price points, has went ahead with lewd content starting at $125 USD, the $200 tier offering two sketches (one adult) by the artist.

$25 USD $30 USD (16% OFF)

Why would a creator set up an IndieGoGo and then do a make pretend "oh, look, itz on sale, gang" bit of misdirection? Especially four days into the campaign. Seems like opening a box of stupid to me, on every level imaginable.

Aside from the "69¢" price marked on the cover, of course. 🙄

I've got 3 to 1 on Cecil getting the chop first

I'd actually take that bet, as long as the boozing stays under control. (And I'm wondering how much of that is for affect/performance art anyways.) Cecil is basically Dom Deluise to @FROG 's Burt Reynolds at this point.
 
Welcome to part two of embarrassingly having to drag Richard C Meyer aka Frogsimp past the cancelled Tim Lim.


The snore stream this time is about Camilla Zhong and her stupidly trying to appear more rational than perpetual victim @FROG.

Buckle up, there are some feels.

-Frog proclaims that all beefs other than his with Doug Tennaple, aka Wormie, are petty and should be put aside.

-Frogsimp predicts that Frog will one day grow up and that all his friends who hate each other have more in common and get along again. Frog poo-poos this idea.

-He describes his private phone conversation with Bong. He more or less trolled her at first before treating her like a human being.

-He spreads his and Frogsimps cliched circle jerk of each other with pushes for Impossible Stars, now after two big pushes at a whopping 48,000!


-Frog spends allot of time defending sex pest Warren Ellis, who he says he really likes.

-Frog notes that his daughter will one day google him and figure out that he is a Nazi harasser of trans eskimo women. He isn't happy about this. He makes a good point that the only reason to accuse someone on social media like this is to ruin them. He and Frogsimp fail to address the fact that @FROG has continued to do this to Mike Miller and Wormie, calling them homophobes and anti-gay bigots.

-Frog restates his rare moment of genuine humanity from the Donny Cates stream, that he is angry at being kicked out of the mainstream and labeled as a Fascist enabling stalker of gay Mexican midgets.

-Frog ends with superchat wrap up and a push for warts and all. This may actually be the first product of his he competitively priced. He says 30 dollars, depending on what all he puts in there at a hardcover.

3 hrs of your life my fellow kiwis saved. Honor this sacrifice.
 
-Frogsimp predicts that Frog will one day grow up and that all his friends who hate each other have more in common and get along again. Frog poo-poos this idea.

That sounds about par for the course.

3 hrs of your life my fellow kiwis saved. Honor this sacrifice.

Obliged. I honestly like the Texas Autist, but these days I struggle to even listen to his 10 minute videos.
 
Never did get a confirmation on this thread if EWJ: FtF is going on Indiegogo mind you. It'd kinda suck if my thinking it will after the kickstarter campaign means I can't get a copy due to my own misrememberances, since besides YaBoi when he isn't choosing to be the hack he used to hate, Doug is one of my favorites. Ernst too, since SoulBinder was good.
 
Never did get a confirmation on this thread if EWJ: FtF is going on Indiegogo mind you. It'd kinda suck if my thinking it will after the kickstarter campaign means I can't get a copy due to my own misrememberances, since besides YaBoi when he isn't choosing to be the hack he used to hate, Doug is one of my favorites. Ernst too, since SoulBinder was good.

He said he would in an email and livestreams.
 
Never did get a confirmation on this thread if EWJ: FtF is going on Indiegogo mind you. It'd kinda suck if my thinking it will after the kickstarter campaign means I can't get a copy due to my own misrememberances, since besides YaBoi when he isn't choosing to be the hack he used to hate, Doug is one of my favorites. Ernst too, since SoulBinder was good.

Doug said on a livestream as well as emails that he would launch an IGG for EWJ2 after the Kickstarter closes. Acknowledged that customers have platform preferences.

Kickstarter is still supporting the Burn Loot Murder terrorists that have been destroying black-owned neighborhoods and businesses, murdering civilian men, women, children, and police in the streets, starting forest fires in Oregon/Washington, fraudulently using the PPP to pay their own expenses and bail, and to supply rioters with weapons, still have leadership engaged in pedo practices including rape, lie about the events surrounding police engagements to incite riots, and redirect charitable donations to the DNC.
 
Zack has been stirred into action by the development that, even though Camilla Zhong and her ilk are no longer in a position of direct control at Kickstarter, they are now trying to place themselves as behind-the-curtain crowdfund kingmakers. In some ways this is worse than when they were officially at Kickstarter; now Zhong is untethered to an official position within an operation and is therefore answerable to no one when imposing her political agenda upon creators.

To that end, "Ya Boi" has made no less than four streams in the past 3 days clocking in at over half-an-hour each as well as even being willing to show up on Frog streams to argue most strenuously that top-level comic talent should not turn to Zhong and the SJW gatekeepers to manage their campaigns. But when asked for an alternative to signing up with Camilla Zhong and crew, Simple Zack starts dancing through raindrops trying to avoid mentioning CG.


In this video, instead of accepting the yoke of campaign management and unofficial protection by Camilla Zhong, Bryan Hitch should quote, "do what Brian Pullido does", a sentiment Frog has responded to our own @Brother Maynard as something a "fucking idiot" would say. Moreover, Zack recommends following Pullido's example no less than four separate times along with the advice that top creators looking to braek into crowdfunding should declare yourself with Comicsgate "do what Jon Malin, Ethan van Sciver, Clint Stoker and Brian Pullido have done" and "turn to them for help".

To sum: if you support CG, Ya Boi Zack will actively refuse to acknowledge your existence, indistinguishable in action from people like Rich Johnston or Newsarama. Only the creators and platforms who benefit from the support of Comicsgaters and thus able to sell his floundering campaigns for him he'll even give the time of day. What a guy.
 
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Doug said on a livestream as well as emails that he would launch an IGG for EWJ2 after the Kickstarter closes. Acknowledged that customers have platform preferences.

Kickstarter is still supporting the Burn Loot Murder terrorists that have been destroying black-owned neighborhoods and businesses, murdering civilian men, women, children, and police in the streets, starting forest fires in Oregon/Washington, fraudulently using the PPP to pay their own expenses and bail, and to supply rioters with weapons, still have leadership engaged in pedo practices including rape, lie about the events surrounding police engagements to incite riots, and redirect charitable donations to the DNC.
Thanks, my memory was a bit fuzzy, so I wanted to make sure since I don't want to fund communist faggots who are assets of former Weather Underground faggots.
 
Zack has been stirred into action by the development that, even though Camilla Zhong and her ilk are no longer in a position of direct control at Kickstarter, they are now trying to place themselves as behind-the-curtain crowdfund kingmakers. In some ways this is worse than when they were officially at Kickstarter; now Zhong is untethered to an official position within an operation and is therefore answerable to no one when imposing her political agenda upon creators.

To that end, "Ya Boi" has made no less than four streams in the past 3 days clocking in at over half-an-hour each as well as even being willing to show up on Frog streams to argue most strenuously that top-level comic talent should not turn to Zhong and the SJW gatekeepers to manage their campaigns. But when asked for an alternative to signing up with Camilla Zhong and crew, Simple Zack starts dancing through raindrops trying to avoid mentioning CG.


In this video, instead of accepting the yoke of campaign management and unofficial protection by Camilla Zhong, Bryan Hitch should quote, "do what Brian Pullido does", a sentiment Frog has responded to our own @Brother Maynard as something a "fucking idiot" would say. Moreover, Zack recommends following Pullido's example no less than four separate times along with the advice that top creators looking to braek into crowdfunding should declare yourself with Comicsgate "do what Jon Malin, Ethan van Sciver, Clint Stoker and Brian Pullido have done" and "turn to them for help".

To sum: if you support CG, Ya Boi Zack will actively refuse to acknowledge your existence, indistinguishable in action from people like Rich Johnston or Newsarama. Only the creators and platforms who benefit from the support of Comicsgaters and thus able to sell his floundering campaigns for him he'll even give the time of day. What a guy.

Now now, Mister Dongs, I said Maynard was a "fucking idiot" for not being ComicsGate anymore simply because he didn't like me or the direction of my YouTube channel, not because he underestimated Brian Pulido's 30 year fanbase and unique personal magnetism as the cause of Pulido's success.

Zack doesn't think "ComicsGate" should be a group, he just thinks it's an idea. So he wouldn't say, "turn to ComicsGate," he'd instead say "turn to good customer service" or more practically, do what Jon Malin does. In any case, don't hire Kamala Zong.
 
Zack has been stirred into action by the development that, even though Camilla Zhong and her ilk are no longer in a position of direct control at Kickstarter, they are now trying to place themselves as behind-the-curtain crowdfund kingmakers. In some ways this is worse than when they were officially at Kickstarter; now Zhong is untethered to an official position within an operation and is therefore answerable to no one when imposing her political agenda upon creators.

To that end, "Ya Boi" has made no less than four streams in the past 3 days clocking in at over half-an-hour each as well as even being willing to show up on Frog streams to argue most strenuously that top-level comic talent should not turn to Zhong and the SJW gatekeepers to manage their campaigns. But when asked for an alternative to signing up with Camilla Zhong and crew, Simple Zack starts dancing through raindrops trying to avoid mentioning CG.
How does she accomplish "imposing her political agenda upon creators" if they are choosing to associate with her? If creators are hiring her, isn't it very likely that they already share the same agenda? Where does the foisting come in?
 
How does she accomplish "imposing her political agenda upon creators" if they are choosing to associate with her? If creators are hiring her, isn't it very likely that they already share the same agenda? Where does the foisting come in?
It's a protection racket. By hiring her they're buying immunity from accusation.
 
Zack doesn't think "ComicsGate" should be a group, he just thinks it's an idea. So he wouldn't say, "turn to ComicsGate," he'd instead say "turn to good customer service" or more practically, do what Jon Malin does. In any case, don't hire Kamala Zong.
Yeah, he doesn't say "join Comicsgate as a group", he says "do what these guys do", and what those guys do is consider Comicsgate a group that they're a part of. I get it.

How does she accomplish "imposing her political agenda upon creators" if they are choosing to associate with her? If creators are hiring her, isn't it very likely that they already share the same agenda? Where does the foisting come in?
It comes with unstated protection from attacks from the circles Zhong runs in, or that with Zhong is a gatekeeper towards mainstream/Kickstarter insider access that would be denied a creator's project otherwise. Scott Snyder is a good example, since all the flak that was being sent his way went silent as soon as he hired Zhong as his campaign manager.

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Then again, these theorized connections and networking skills of Camilla Zhong don't appear to be bearing out in reality.
 
Zack has been stirred into action by the development that, even though Camilla Zhong and her ilk are no longer in a position of direct control at Kickstarter, they are now trying to place themselves as behind-the-curtain crowdfund kingmakers. In some ways this is worse than when they were officially at Kickstarter; now Zhong is untethered to an official position within an operation and is therefore answerable to no one when imposing her political agenda upon creators.


I can't say that getting into bed with comicsgate would be a great alternative, but it could be the lesser of two evils.

How does she accomplish "imposing her political agenda upon creators" if they are choosing to associate with her? If creators are hiring her, isn't it very likely that they already share the same agenda? Where does the foisting come in?

As @SaidNoOneEver said (edit: and @Mister Dongs ) she's still acting as gatekeeper. She doesn't need the official trappings of Kickstarter among people who are already cowed by what she represents.
 
How does she accomplish "imposing her political agenda upon creators" if they are choosing to associate with her? If creators are hiring her, isn't it very likely that they already share the same agenda? Where does the foisting come in?

By the implicit threat of cancellation. They hire her and keep her happy by doing what she says, she keeps the woke wonders off of them.

I do believe Frog and Frogsimp underestimate the extremity of some of these people like Snyder's politics.
 
By the implicit threat of cancellation. They hire her and keep her happy by doing what she says, she keeps the woke wonders off of them.

I do believe Frog and Ya Boi! underestimate the extremity of some of these people like Snyder's politics.

My estimation of Scott Snyder's politics is that he isn't a political person at all, but votes Democrat and reacts to the temperature of the water in the fishbowl he's swimming in. I don't think he's driven much at all by BLM lunacy, but he'd definitely put #BlackLivesMatter in his twitter handle if everyone else was doing it.

He's center left. Which is what Sean Gordon Murphy is. It's probably what most people with long careers in comics are.

They're all perfect targets for manipulation.

People know, whether it's sure knowledge or instinctual, that Camilla has power within the Whisper Network, and nobody wants to fuck with that.

The interesting thing is that before, the fact that she was paving the way for Woke comics made a good cover for her ambition. She was helping Marginalized People get comics made!

Now she's just out to use her connections to profit from the non-Woke comics of high end creators who might fear her. That's fairly corrupt if true.
 
What a shock... This is the ONLY book ever to get backed a dozen + more times by Frog this way in his backing catalog.

I wouldn't put much stock in that. Backing Liam multiple times that way seems to me a good-faith effort to support his work. There are plenty of other ways to send a payoff that isn't visible by the whole world (and taxable).
 
I wouldn't put much stock in that. Backing Liam multiple times that way seems to me a good-faith effort to support his work. There are plenty of other ways to send a payoff that isn't visible by the whole world (and taxable).

Plausible deniability though.

Now I can say, "Why would I pay a fat orange Aussie retard thru the purchase of ten copies of his comic? And why would he, several months later, ineffectually copyright strike you only TWICE, when a third time would bring your channel down?"

And people might agree that it doesn't make sense.

So maybe that's how I operate. I worry about every anonymous clown on the internet that has a hateboner for me, and I attack them in ways that don't make sense, because that's the best way to get away with having accomplished absolutely nothing.

Stay paranoid.
 
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