#Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

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I'm sure the media associated with table top gaming and heavy metal are disappointed they've not got a totem to display to their faithful.

Ask and you shall receive.

While not really "#Comicsgate" at this point, Ro Kabir and Warcampaign look to be filling that TPnP culture war vacuum by having regular DLive shows of their own edgy D&D livecast "The Triggering", as Comicsgate is now spawning cadet branches into other facets of pop culture, like some sort of autism-exporting rogue state. As far as pissing people off goes, they've been successful beyond all expectations, but whether this will translate to new followers and viewers is something that remains to be seen.


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Just saw Zack's BRZRKR video, in which he said he was going to back the book right after the video was done.


On Kickstarter.

All your boycotts are BS.

Zack tried to get his books on Kickstarter.

Kickstarter is boycotting Zack, not the other way around.

Most CGers are choosing not to use KS as a platform as a punishment for their political discrimination. But it's not universal. Some people disagree.

I won't fund there, but I backed Todd McFarlane's action figure because I wanted one. If Dale Keown or Brian Bolland funded there, I'd have to back them too.
 
Indeed. Fucking hell, GamerGate has been dead for four years and every time the Video Game media needs something to screech about they parade around its rotted corpse, six years on.

Ditto Sad Puppies and the spergs at places like File 770.

I'm sure the media associated with table top gaming and heavy metal are disappointed they've not got a totem to display to their faithful.
Heavy metal and table top gaming can go into grassroots easily. Kickstarting/DriveThruRPG alternative campaigns and spotify/bandcamp distribution can do the trick for any upstarts.

The probelm with culture wars is when hipsters enter the established companies and try to change it to "reflect modern values".
Pitchfork can hype up antifa blackgaze bands from Portland and people will keep listening to nazi extrordinaires like Burzum. And if Streaming platforms ban them (for instance, you cannot link Burzum songs on FB), there are ways around it.
WotC can do a race-neutral D&D 6th edition and hardcore fans will support problematic Lamentations of the Flame Priestess and other D&D-clones with Evil orcs and gruff dwarves.
The Sad/Rabid puppies were dumb, because people could still read self-published old school sci-fi on kindle, it was all about a butthurt author who wanted an award.

But comics is different, because he who controls Batman and Spider-Man controls the world.
CG/Whisper network is all about having influence over who writes Batman. SGM is a real threat to the WN, because he may as well control Batman (imho, a White Knight DC-verse could work perfectly for a brand new continuity without all these Crisis reboots that make DC hard to go through) while listening to CGers.

PS: Based JK Rowling really broke SJWs. All those tumblerinas that read that one book and based their personalities around it, cancelling all those people who liked "problematic" things now face a deep existential crisis and going through the stages of grief. It is so funny to see the world they created biting them in their asses
 
So correct me if I fucked up my description of current events

- TexasAutis (the Christ figure of CuckGrift) is losing to the bunny boy
- So because that Froggot launches a pathetic LexExpress style campaing to try to boost his numbers
- During those streams, in a typical CG fashion, instead of building the hype for the book they focuse on a "villian". This time it's some kickstarter chick that has all the power (just ignore how not so liberal Wormie and Bunny boy are allowed on the platform).
- She's bad because you have to bend the knee, which is totally different from IGG where you have to bend over for Friggot to have your numbers inflated, possibly by Froggot himself

Such alternative much winning
 
Pretty much.

- TexasAutis (the Christ figure of CuckGrift) is losing to the bunny boy
- So because that Froggot launches a pathetic LexExpress style campaing to try to boost his numbers

That gets me more than the other things. I don't know what it's supposed to prove. @FROG, even if you win, it still makes you a loser.

Meyer might be autistic but he's not that autistic. You really get the impression he'd rather noodle about on his own outside CG, being happy making his homages to terrible comics from three decades ago, and taking potshots at the current lot in charge at Marvel and DC. Scoring one-up against other crowdfunders probably doesn't even occur to him, or if it does, it's nothing to make a thing out of it. But he's got the idea from somewhere (not the Farms, apparently) that he has to livestream to stop his audience shrinking, and the easiest way is to play Johnny Fontaine and go ask Don Corpulente for a favor.
I can imagine the glee Frog felt when the prodigal returned, too, like Richard Nixon getting Sammy Davis Jr. on side. A figurehead to parade about, I agree. Also another weapon to wield against his 'enemies'. I wonder if Yaboi realises it. But I'd have to watch ~3 hours of Frog streams to determine that, and I have too much laziness and not enough masochism in me.

On other things, I lost track of WC for a while, there. It's both heartening and disappointing that they're as exceptional as ever.
 
But he's got the idea from somewhere (not the Farms, apparently) that he has to livestream to stop his audience shrinking, and the easiest way is to play Johnny Fontaine and go ask Don Corpulente for a favour.

Shit. Now you've got me wondering when a horse's head will turn up in somebody's bed. Though dumping WarCampaign might have been the equivalent of kicking Luca Brasi to the curb, possibly? 🤔
 
Pretty much.



That gets me more than the other things. I don't know what it's supposed to prove. @FROG, even if you win, it still makes you a loser.

Meyer might be autistic but he's not that autistic. You really get the impression he'd rather noodle about on his own outside CG, being happy making his homages to terrible comics from three decades ago, and taking potshots at the current lot in charge at Marvel and DC. Scoring one-up against other crowdfunders probably doesn't even occur to him, or if it does, it's nothing to make a thing out of it. But he's got the idea from somewhere (not the Farms, apparently) that he has to livestream to stop his audience shrinking, and the easiest way is to play Johnny Fontaine and go ask Don Corpulente for a favor.
I can imagine the glee Frog felt when the prodigal returned, too, like Richard Nixon getting Sammy Davis Jr. on side. A figurehead to parade about, I agree. Also another weapon to wield against his 'enemies'. I wonder if Yaboi realises it. But I'd have to watch ~3 hours of Frog streams to determine that, and I have too much laziness and not enough masochism in me.

On other things, I lost track of WC for a while, there. It's both heartening and disappointing that they're as exceptional as ever.

It doesn't prove anything, it's just fun. KiwiFarmers pointed out that Bunny Boy was beating Zack's campaign out of the starter gate. I don't stay in the loop with what that guy does. But since VikkiVerse (or whoever it was) pointed out the race that we weren't aware we were running, we might as well win it.

And so I think Zack is ahead by about $4000 now. A comfortable lead, but we'll have to pad it a little more, even if it makes us losers by winning.

Why are you upset about it? Go back those campaigns.

Zack is a pal. Dean Martin to my Sinatra. Goldwater to my Reagan. He does his own thing but we talk every single day.

Something like Camilla Zhang was motivation to HIM to do a livestream. That's his thing. Normal people, not the degenerates of KiwiFarms, LOVED that stream.

Perhaps you're complaining just to complain.
 
Just saw Zack's BRZRKR video, in which he said he was going to back the book right after the video was done.

On Kickstarter.

All your boycotts are BS.


Zack is CG but OG-CG. He believes forced diversity and diversity hires are ruining DC/Marvel Comics (which isn't why mainstream comics are failing, but that's another discussion). He doesn't believe all the other CG bollocks, those are games played by other CGers for varying reasons


It doesn't prove anything, it's just fun. KiwiFarmers pointed out that Bunny Boy was beating Zack's campaign out of the starter gate. I don't stay in the loop with what that guy does. But since VikkiVerse (or whoever it was) pointed out the race that we weren't aware we were running, we might as well win it.

And so I think Zack is ahead by about $4000 now. A comfortable lead, but we'll have to pad it a little more, even if it makes us losers by winning.

Why are you upset about it? Go back those campaigns.

Zack is a pal. Dean Martin to my Sinatra. Goldwater to my Reagan. He does his own thing but we talk every single day.

Something like Camilla Zhang was motivation to HIM to do a livestream. That's his thing. Normal people, not the degenerates of KiwiFarms, LOVED that stream.

Perhaps you're complaining just to complain.


So you 'win' these campaigns by raising the most money, is that the only metric? Because Comic Statistics are usually based on copies sold, Kamen America has 1400 backers and YoBoi has 940. Plus Kamen America is half the price of Impossible Stars for pretty much the same page count and even then the two aren't that far apart in money, well I know who I'd declare the winner
 
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So you 'win' these campaigns by raising the most money, is that the only metric? Because Comic Statistics are usually based on copies sold, Kamen America has 1400 backers and YoBoi has 940. Plus seeing that Kamen America is half the price of Impossible Stars for pretty much the same page count and even then the two aren't that far apart in money, well I know who I'd declare the winner

Sure, but IMPOSSIBLE STARS suffers from a lack of low priced tiers (no PDFs) AND high priced tiers. His most expensive tier is $45.

KAMEN AMERICA 2 has sold thru it's $190 tier and it's $200 tier, and is doing great business with it's $60 tier. It's also gained 551 of it's backers from Digital Only perks, which are $10 and below. Without digital backers, Bunny Boy is running neck and neck with Zack in backers, and without the high priced tiers, he's nowhere near IMPOSSIBLE STARS.

Zack, as usual, is keeping his campaign simple and mid-priced, and is excelling in backers for producing actual physical comic books, and producing a far more profitable campaign.

I personally prefer Bunny Boi's approach of a wider array of pricing for tiers, and his campaign is definitely sexier and more colorful.

And STILL Zack defeats him. We'll see about getting that backer count up. Another fun challenge.
 
I got my first autistic response! Now it feels like I've properly arrived on the Farms. Does this one count when it's from Frog, though?

Well you know the saying about stopped clocks, Ethan. You're not far wrong there. But it's a marker of how much water has passed under the bridge since I used to see 'your comment got a ❤ from ComicArtistPro Secrets!' on youtube.

And STILL Zack defeats him.

Because you had a whip-round for poor little Zack. (By which I mean, you roundly whipped your pavloved audience into a frenzy over Zhang's latest extortion racket) But in that quote I think you miss my point, which is "what is the point?" What do you get out of emptying other guys wallets so that one other guy's funnybook campaign makes a few more dollars than yet another guy's funnybook campaign? You can say "Richard's my friend and I'm helping him out" but Lim doesn't have to have thing one to do with that. Rubbing your hands and cackling about Meyer overtaking him calls your motivation into question. You're not 'pwning' anyone except in the cringiest schoolyard sense.

Is this the level of trolling you can muster since Ro broke up with you and took the kids?
 
Sure, but IMPOSSIBLE STARS suffers from a lack of low priced tiers (no PDFs) AND high priced tiers. His most expensive tier is $45.

KAMEN AMERICA 2 has sold thru it's $190 tier and it's $200 tier, and is doing great business with it's $60 tier. It's also gained 551 of it's backers from Digital Only perks, which are $10 and below. Without digital backers, Bunny Boy is running neck and neck with Zack in backers, and without the high priced tiers, he's nowhere near IMPOSSIBLE STARS.

Zack, as usual, is keeping his campaign simple and mid-priced, and is excelling in backers for producing actual physical comic books, and producing a far more profitable campaign.

I personally prefer Bunny Boi's approach of a wider array of pricing for tiers, and his campaign is definitely sexier and more colorful.

And STILL Zack defeats him. We'll see about getting that backer count up. Another fun challenge.


Think you need to redo your maths. There are two digital only perks the highest one is $8 and both those together come to 302 backers. You added the $5 digital only, the $8 digital only together with the $10 print copy with include a digital copy. All those together come to 552 backers (one extra due to an additional backer)

Also are you saying that digital copies don't count? Tim does digital copies for overseas customers because he doesn's ship outside the US.
 
I got my first autistic response! Now it feels like I've properly arrived on the Farms. Does this one count when it's from Frog, though?

Well you know the saying about stopped clocks, Ethan. You're not far wrong there. But it's a marker of how much water has passed under the bridge since I used to see 'your comment got a ❤ from ComicArtistPro Secrets!' on youtube.



Because you had a whip-round for poor little Zack. (By which I mean, you roundly whipped your pavloved audience into a frenzy over Zhang's latest extortion racket) But in that quote I think you miss my point, which is "what is the point?" What do you get out of emptying other guys wallets so that one other guy's funnybook campaign makes a few more dollars than yet another guy's funnybook campaign? You can say "Richard's my friend and I'm helping him out" but Lim doesn't have to have thing one to do with that. Rubbing your hands and cackling about Meyer overtaking him calls your motivation into question. You're not 'pwning' anyone except in the cringiest schoolyard sense.

It seems like you're in a pavloved frenzy over the idea that Zack's campaign passed Tim's in earnings.

What bothers you so much about it, that you'd denigrate and demean Zack, and pretend this is "cringy" like a pre-teen girl?

We're here to sell comics. Having sales goals, arbitrary ones, competitive ones, makes that into a challenge.

Tim Lim isn't hurt by Zack passing him in sales for the moment. Nobody took money from Tim, and Tim still has nearly $50K in sales.

So why are you being so lovingly protective of Bunny Boy and what you imagine his feelings might be?

Think you need to redo your maths. There are two digital only perks the highest one is $8 and both those together come to 302 backers. You added the $5 digital only, the $8 digital only together with the $10 print copy with include a digital copy. All those together come to 552 backers (one extra due to an additional backer)

Also are you saying that digital copies don't count? Tim does digital copies for overseas customers because he doesn's ship outside the US.

You're right, my mistake.

I'm not saying digital copies don't count, but I am saying it slightly changes apples to apples into apples to apples and a few oranges. Tim's valid reasons for doing digital don't change that, since all we're doing is a sales comparison.
 
I've been following the Tim's campaign vs Zack's campaign debate, and my only question is why does it matter who's doing better than who? Both teams have run a lot of successful campaigns people enjoy. Am I missing something?
 
I've been following the Tim's campaign vs Zack's campaign debate, and my only question is why does it matter who's doing better than who? Both teams have run a lot of successful campaigns people enjoy. Am I missing something?

Some here seem to think it means the CG money train is starting to slow down or even run out of track.

Somebody excommunicated from CG early on (BunnyBoy) beating one of CGs pillars (YBZ) would kind of imply that, I guess. Somehow rather than the alternate hypothesis that anime tiddies have more of a market than space opera. 🤷🏼‍♂️
 
Some here seem to think it means the CG money train is starting to slow down or even run out of track.

Somebody excommunicated from CG early on (BunnyBoy) beating one of CGs pillars (YBZ) would kind of imply that, I guess. Somehow rather than the alternate hypothesis that anime tiddies have more of a market than space opera. 🤷🏼‍♂️
Tim and Mark put out books that people love. They're professional, they're on time, they're--okay it's the giant anime tiddies.
 
Am I looking at the wrong place? People here keep saying that Zack is now in the lead for $$ but I checked their campaigns now and it looks like he is trailing by 3k.

The campaigns that are being compared here are the following:



Tim’s currently has the significantly higher backer count at 1410 compared to Zack’s 954, but Zack has the more money at $50,486 compared to $46,219.

Still, even with the recent streams, KA2 has kept up a far steadier pace than IS, and is extremely likely to end up ahead again before long.
 
And STILL Zack defeats him.

By four thousand dollars. After multiple live streams. Oh, and 33,120 of his 50,536 dollar total comes from the 828 backers picking up his piggyback Nexus bundle.

Embarrassing.


I've been following the Tim's campaign vs Zack's campaign debate, and my only question is why does it matter who's doing better than who? Both teams have run a lot of successful campaigns people enjoy. Am I missing something?

Because CG has spent more than a year claiming that being exiled is akin to irrelevance. Funding failure on the likes of a certain Jon of the Rice.

This is embarrassing enough. But for Frogsimp to need this much help getting even 50 grand, while Trump fag Tim Lim does the same...

Oh, @FROG did a stream without Frogsimp.


takeaways

-he spent most of his time showing his cover to his WaA collection.

-Frog previewed his IGG page. It looks like he will actually be throwing the entire series in. Kiwis I am floored. That is more than 13 issues of comics, in a hardcover, for 30 dollars. Granted, they're comics Frog has called garbage when he did retro look back on them, but still.

-He's selling a bunch of other side pieces more in line with what we expect. he's selling an unprinted comic from HoH for 10 dollars. (There's the Frog I know).

-Kenneth Rocafort, amazing artist who is apparently comicsgate, drew a poster of a CF character.

-Frog briefly plugs Impossible stars and the Gofundme, which, yes is still ongoing. Apparently the gofundme is expiring and, surprise, Frog does not want to reopen it as its 'too big an ask.'

-Reignbro brute is dropping November 15. Interesting. has CF 2 even shipped?
 
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