Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Mr. 0]

enough of this off-topic banthashit, time to examine what REALLY matters:

 

[Creep3r]

On a completely unrelated note, I managed to check out this video that @Getting tard comed recommended a few pages back on the thread, and I highly recommend it if you have two hours to kill.

I nearly pissed myself laughing at how the video highlights retards like RLM and Stuckmann, and their embarrassing lack of filmic knowledge.

What video? Link please because I think I missed it.

 

[Ghostse]

You want to vary your armor to your situation.

Deformable dense armor, like Flak jackets - which are not light by any means but not crippling - cover the entire torso, have minimal flexibility and will usually not stop direct rounds but will stop shrapnel - and it can also turn a leathal round into one you'll live through. Flak jackets are vietnam era and were actually designed originally to protect air crew, but that's what you'd where when you had to hit the bunkers. Unfortunately they didn't cover the shoulders or have great front protection for the neck, so back in vietnam you had some cases of shrapnel coming in the sides.

Kelvar-type bullet proof vests use strong, stretchable fibers to keep the bullet from ripping between the fibers. You will survive, but you might not feel so great since you are still getting hit with a bullet even if it never enters you. They've gotten better about weaving more impact-absorbing panels into vests. But fiber-weave is flexible, so you can get flexible with your impact-absorbing panels and still expect the wearer to be able to survive.

Plate Carriers use ceramic destruction to absorb and dissipate bullet energy. You can get shot and keep going, sometimes you never realize you were even shot. The downside to carriers is they are consumable and heavy, and they usually only cover center-mass, meaning you need a secondary armor to cover your sides.

Your squishy, squishy abdomen holds a lot of vital organs and a lot of arteries that if they get nicked are real gushers. If your armor does not cover your abdomen, your armor is fucking worthless - unless you are like a machine gunner or something and only your upper body is exposed, in which case it is merely shit: Bullets tend to bounce, fragment and ricochet, so lack of back and belly armor tends to end with you dealing with blood loss as you bleed profusely from shrapnel wounds.


This is not a fun discussion to have because it has been had repeatedly by people better able to answer it than anyone in this thread.

A more interesting discussion to have is would energy weapons require more or less armor outside of center mass, being that lasers hit more-or-less true and don't really bounce.

 

[White Devil]

Flak vests don't really get worn that much anymore. I know a few heli crewmen and their gear is usually a very minimalist plate carrier from Eagle systems and the like. Some of the newer stuff they wear they almost look like scout troopers in OD.

A lot of soft armor nowadays come with trauma pads that go between the vest and the armor, the point being to cushion it so you maybe don't break a rib, but you're still going to feel it.

You're right about how ceramic plates are designed to catch a bullet, but I can promise you, you're going to feel that shit unless you're so jacked up on adrenaline you wouldn't notice a limb missing for a short time or something. That being said, most carriers don't come with plates, and there are a variety of different types. Most nowadays are multicurved so they're more comfortable to wear and are multi hit rated to withstand multiple rounds. That being said, if you're getting shot center of mass multiple times, you fucked up.

To get somewhat back on topic of Star Wars, I imagine armor against directed energy weapons would have to be some kind of reflective in order to be effective. Or sloped like tank armor is.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

As I already showed above, armor in Star Wars is useful/useless depending on the situation and the gaps in it.

Oh, and the material, too. Stormtrooper armor might be a laughingstock, but other armors aren't so good either, considering how powerful blasters and lightsabers can be:

If you want real protective armor, try Dark Trooper armor:

Phase 1 and 2 Dark Troopers are droids, but Phase 3 Dark Troopers can be used as exoskeletons, and Phase 0 Dark Troopers are men inside cyborg armor suits like Vader. They can take quite a beating before going down.

 

[Creep3r]

A more interesting discussion to have is would energy weapons require more or less armor outside of center mass, being that lasers hit more-or-less true and don't really bounce.

I can't really say in regards to real life scenarios, but in-universe-wise there were a few blaster resistant armors in SW.

(Forgive me if I ramble incoherently a bit as I've had a bit too much to drink.)
Overall, it seems most SW media preferred more over less when a character with blaster-resistant armor was introduced. In SW there is both light and heavy variants of energy-weapon resistant armors, with the most common heavy armor material being Durasteel iirc which was pretty good at resisting blaster fire and Jango wore a light armor version of Durasteel, but even then it was slightly heavy, however it was more affordable than most. The most common light armor type was armorweave which is basically clothing with special energy-resistant materials woven right into the fabric which was more practical and cheaper but wasn't as durable for obvious reasons (Grievous wore an armorweave cape). Wearing more armor would protect you from the force of the impact as well as the blaster, and while less armor would suffice, the force of the impact would hurt like a bitch obviously.

Here's a few blaster/energy weapon-resistant armor examples if anyone's interested.

The one pictured above is the suit worn by the experienced and elite Palace Guards of the Naboo security forces, the Creshaldyne Blast Armor which was mostly made from rubber that was forged with numerous tiny synthesized crystals that can diffuse blaster fire and absorb heat while the rubber insulates against heat, cold and electricity, however their durability is limited obviously and they can only protect you from low intensity energy-based weapons, so you're out of luck against heavy fire, and while it can lessen the intensity of vibroweapons and melee weapons in general, its not by much. But its still a pretty good armor that has a pretty wide coverage against many weapons. There is a stronger version of the armor though that makes you almost immune to blaster fire that's pretty much biotechnology based on Barabel scales (which were blaster-resistant), however it makes you completely vulnerable to anything that's not blaster fire, like an angry Barabel's claws.

The Palace Guard would also wore durasteel helmets along with their blast armor for obvious reasons, so it was a pretty effective combo of light and heavy, with slightly durable all-purpose armor that covered you from head to toe with the toughest and heaviest helmet. Hence why its mostly the beta Security Guards who you constantly see falling on their asses in battle.

Blast armor was probably the best all around armor, what with all the things it covered.

Aside from durasteel which I mentioned before, the most durable blaster-resistant materials were Cortosis, Phrik, Beskar, Ultrachrome and Vonduun.

Cortosis was the most effective and was even the arch-enemy of lightsabers, as they were not only the ultimate metal for weapons and armor but their conductive properties could disable energy weapons and even a lightsaber for a brief moment. However this shit was ridiculously rare and expensive and was a pain in the ass to refine. Another problem was their defense was only great against energy weapons, as against regular stuff like blades, vibroweapons or even bullets they were pretty fucking useless.

Then there's Mandalorian iron aka Beskar. It was resistant against melee weapons, energy weapons and could even endure lightsaber attacks to a certain limit, however the pain from impacts including blasters could still be felt and too much heavy fire would do them in easily, but overall beskar was considered indestructible by many, but in truth it seems a lot of this was only due to heresay. However Beskar was incredibly rare, only found on the planet Mandalore and its unique forging process was a closely guarded secret. The only place this shit could be found was on the black market and even then it was rare. While not conductive like Cortosis (and thus it couldn't disable lightsabers), Beskar was more durable against impact than cortosis or durasteel and mandalorians would upgrade from durasteel to beskar.

Edit: I should note that beskar was once considered the "ultimate metal" and the most valuable of all in the galaxy in a single magazine article written by Traviss in 2006 for Star Wars Insider which went against many other instances in lore. Traviss had a huge mary sue boner for this shit as much as she did the rest of the Mandos.

Phrik was almost as good as cortosis (almost), and while they could endure energy weapons and lightsabers, they lacked the conductive properties that made Cortosis so feared. However it was still far more durable against regular non-energy weapons than cortosis and the majority of other metals, including beskar, making it just as rare and expensive, but not as rare as cortosis and beskar.

Dark Trooper armors were made using this metal, so you know those magnificent bastards were built to last. The Empire had a rather notable surplus of these overall reserved only for the elite and specials, however regular Stormtroopers ended up stuck with shit-tier plastoid which was mostly just offered protection against environmental hazards and harsh weather, and usually bullets/slugs.

Ultrachrome was probably the most astonishing and durable of the metals, being resistant against literally anything, from bullets, to blasters, to explosives, to ship blaster fire, etc and having a unique conductive nature similar to Cortosis, except that instead of disabling lightsabers or resisting them, it was almost completely immune to them. Most impressive was its ability to reflect energy weapons back at the attacker and being immune to rust and metal-eating bacteria. However while it appeared seemingly immune to lightsabers, it could not disable them, and if a lightsaber remained in contact with it for too long it would overheat. It was probably the rarest of all the metals as it was from a lost age of metallurgy during the Great Sith Wars long ago, so all knowledge of how to make it was lost, with the only bits of it left being from a few crashed ships from that era or what Palpatine probably inherited from Plagueis' collection of sith relics.

Then there's Voduun... a material made from the chitin of the Voduun Skerr, a creature genetically engineered by the Yuuzhan Vong whose living shell could be forged into an armor that could endure bullets, blasters, blades and lightsabers. Even when removed, the shell was still alive and had a unique organ like most of the vong's creations which could neutralize energy weapons by affecting its crystalline shell. It also apparently reduced the wearer's sense of pain and fatigue, since it seems to fuse with the skin. However, even this material was not as durable as cortosis and beskar as it had a quicker breaking point and it could not resist the mighty blaster fire of a ship like ultrachrome, and while it could resist lightsabers like beskar or phrik, it could not neutralize them like cortosis or be immune to them like ultrachrome.

However energy weapons were almost useless on this thing, and it was super light while providing the level of protection of heavy armor. Making it probably the best of the lot in overall versatility.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

I can't really say in regards to real life scenarios, but in-universe-wise there were a few blaster resistant armors in SW.

(Forgive me if I ramble incoherently a bit as I've had a bit too much to drink.)
Overall, it seems most SW media preferred more over less when a character with blaster-resistant armor was introduced. In SW there is both light and heavy variants of energy-weapon resistant armors, with the most common heavy armor material being Durasteel iirc which was pretty good at resisting blaster fire and Jango wore a light armor version of Durasteel, but even then it was slightly heavy, however it was more affordable than most. The most common light armor type was armorweave which is basically clothing with special energy-resistant materials woven right into the fabric which was more practical and cheaper but wasn't as durable for obvious reasons (Grievous wore an armorweave cape). Wearing more armor would protect you from the force of the impact as well as the blaster, and while less armor would suffice, the force of the impact would hurt like a bitch obviously.

Here's a few blaster/energy weapon-resistant armor examples if anyone's interested.
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The one pictured above is the suit worn by the experienced and elite Palace Guards of the Naboo security forces, the Creshaldyne Blast Armor which was mostly made from rubber that was forged with numerous tiny synthesized crystals that can diffuse blaster fire and absorb heat while the rubber insulates against heat, cold and electricity, however their durability is limited obviously and they can only protect you from low intensity energy-based weapons, so you're out of luck against heavy fire, and while it can lessen the intensity of vibroweapons and melee weapons in general, its not by much. But its still a pretty good armor that has a pretty wide coverage against many weapons. There is a stronger version of the armor though that makes you almost immune to blaster fire that's pretty much biotechnology based on Barabel scales (which were blaster-resistant), however it makes you completely vulnerable to anything that's not blaster fire, like an angry Barabel's claws.
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The Palace Guard would also wore durasteel helmets along with their blast armor for obvious reasons, so it was a pretty effective combo of light and heavy, with slightly durable all-purpose armor that covered you from head to toe with the toughest and heaviest helmet. Hence why its mostly the beta Security Guards who you constantly see falling on their asses in battle.
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Blast armor was probably the best all around armor, what with all the things it covered.

Aside from durasteel which I mentioned before, the most durable blaster-resistant materials were Cortosis, Phrik, Beskar, Ultrachrome and Vonduun.

Cortosis was the most effective and was even the arch-enemy of lightsabers, as they were not only the ultimate metal for weapons and armor but their conductive properties could disable energy weapons and even a lightsaber for a brief moment. However this shit was ridiculously rare and expensive and was a pain in the ass to refine.
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Then there's Mandalorian iron aka Beskar. It was resistant against melee weapons, energy weapons and could even endure lightsaber attacks to a certain limit, however the pain from impacts including blasters could still be felt and too much heavy fire would do them in, but overall beskar was considered indestructible by many, as even a light armor variant was a valuable commodity. However Beskar was incredibly rare, only found on the planet Mandalore and its unique forging process was a closely guarded secret. The only place this shit could be found was on the black market and even then it was rare. While not conductive like Cortosis (and thus it couldn't disable lightsabers), Beskar was more durable against impact and mandalorians would upgrade from durasteel to beskar.
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Phrik was almost as good as cortosis and beskar (almost), and while they could endure energy weapons and lightsabers, they lacked the conductive properties that made Cortosis so feared and their durability had more limits than both. However like both, it was still far above the majority of other metals, making it just as rare and expensive and a very rare sight, but not as rare as cortosis and beskar.
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Dark Trooper armors were made using this metal, so you know those magnificent bastards were built to last.

Ultrachrome was probably the most astonishing and durable of the metals, being resistant against literally anything, from bullets, to blasters, to explosives, ship fire, etc and having a unique conductive nature similar to Cortosis, except that instead of disabling lightsabers or resisting them, it was almost completely immune to them. Most impressive was its ability to reflect energy weapons back at the attacker and being immune to rust and metal-eating bacteria. However while it appeared seemingly immune to lightsabers, it could not disable them, and if a lightsaber remained in contact with it for too long it would overheat. It was probably the rarest of all the metals as it was from a lost age of metallurgy during the Great Sith Wars long ago so all knowledge of how to make it is lost, with the only bits of it left being from a few crashed ships from that era or what Palpatine probably inherited from Plagueis' collection of sith relics.
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Then there's Voduun... a material made from the chitin of the Voduun Skerr, a creature genetically engineered by the Yuuzhan Vong whose living shell could be forged into an armor that could endure bullets, blasters, blades and lightsabers. Even when removed, the shell was still alive and had a unique organ like most of the vong's creations which could neutralize energy weapons by affecting its crystalline shell. It also apparently reduced the wearer's sense of pain and fatigue, since it seems to fuse with the skin. However, even this material was not as durable as beskar as it had a quicker breaking point and it could not resist the mighty blaster fire of a ship like ultrachrome, and while it could resist lightsabers like beskar, it could not neutralize them like cortosis or be immune to them light ultrachrome.
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However energy weapons were almost useless on this thing, and it was super light while providing the level of protection of heavy armor. Making it probably the best of the lot in overall versatility.

As the pictures above that I posted show, Beskar isn't as invulnerable as some might originally think. It certainly is tougher than durasteel, but the examples with Raana Tey and with the Death Watch ambushes/Jaster's death show that it has its limits too.

And in one of the Grievous vs. Kenobi duels on TCW, I seem to remember the good general smashing through a phrik staff with lightsabers.

https://youtu.be/JeuZz6J5tvc

As for cortosis, it's rare, but not too rare, as vibroblades and vibroswords have them, and Purge Troopers from Force Unleashed are armored with cortosis ore.

 

[Getting tard comed]

What video? Link please because I think I missed it.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/star-w...rise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-7358606

 

[Creep3r]

As the pictures above that I posted show, Beskar isn't as invulnerable as some might originally think. It certainly is tougher than durasteel, but the examples with Raana Tey and with the Death Watch ambushes/Jaster's death show that it has its limits too.

And in one of the Grievous vs. Kenobi duels on TCW, I seem to remember the good general smashing through a phrik staff with lightsabers.

https://youtu.be/JeuZz6J5tvc

As for cortosis, it's rare, but not too rare, as vibroblades and vibroswords have them, and Purge Troopers from Force Unleashed are armored with cortosis ore.

I didn't say it was invulnerable though. Just that it's "considered" as such, but that doesn't mean its true. Only place Beskar was ever claimed to be absolutely indestructible and more valuable than all the metals in the universe was some magazine article Traviss wrote which was just pure self-wankery.

The phrik is mostly in the electrified tips though. Still I'm not usually one to consider Filoni Wars as canon due to how often it ignores so much of pre-established lore, like Ryloth and retconning Bothawui into a gas giant.

As for vibroweapons, I think that's only if they had a cortosis weave which was more expensive than standard vibroweapons.

https://kiwifarms.st/threads/star-w...rise-of-skywalker-spoilers.32492/post-7358606

Thanks.

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

As for cortosis, it's rare, but not too rare, as vibroblades and vibroswords have them, and Purge Troopers from Force Unleashed are armored with cortosis ore.

They aren't the only ones.
The Shadowtroopers from Jedi Outcast also had cortosis in their armor (made them tougher to kill with a lightsaber).

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

They aren't the only ones.
The Shadowtroopers from Jedi Outcast also had cortosis in their armor (made them tougher to kill with a lightsaber).

Yes, I remember those guys. I had to carve them like a cake last night when I played JO. They make most super-soldiers look like kittens in comparison.

 

[Adamska]

To get somewhat back on topic of Star Wars, I imagine armor against directed energy weapons would have to be some kind of reflective in order to be effective. Or sloped like tank armor is.

I'd have said ablative armor is likely also used for a similar reason, but that's a difference in design philosophy and both can be perfectly valid tbh.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

As the pictures above that I posted show, Beskar isn't as invulnerable as some might originally think. It certainly is tougher than durasteel, but the examples with Raana Tey and with the Death Watch ambushes/Jaster's death show that it has its limits too.

And in one of the Grievous vs. Kenobi duels on TCW, I seem to remember the good general smashing through a phrik staff with lightsabers.

https://youtu.be/JeuZz6J5tvc

As for cortosis, it's rare, but not too rare, as vibroblades and vibroswords have them, and Purge Troopers from Force Unleashed are armored with cortosis ore.

Didnt one of the books (vision of the future) state that though Cortosis was good against lightsabers it was average against most other things?

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Didnt one of the books (vision of the future) state that though Cortosis was good against lightsabers it was average against most other things?

The same thing could be said of beskar, if Open Seasons is anything to go by.

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Just thought it would be appropriate...

Happy Birthday to Mark Hamill:

You'll always be that farmboy-turned-hero to all of us, Mark...out of all the ungrateful cretins that have come and gone through this franchise, you treated your character and what he represented with respect. And in spite of the efforts by the current regime running Star Wars to run the hero you helped create into the ground, robbing him of the integrity he deserved and a lifetime with his best friends...rest assured:

There is a timeline where Luke was allowed all that, and much, much more. And as far as I, and everyone of real taste is concerned, that life of reverence, struggle, love, heartbreak, wisdom and fatherhood...that will always be canon.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Just thought it would be appropriate...

Happy Birthday to the to Mark Hamill:

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You'll always be that farmboy-turned-hero to all of us, Mark...out of all the ungrateful cretins that have come and gone through this franchise, you treated your character and what he represented with respect. And in spite of the efforts by the current regime running Star Wars to run the hero you helped create into the ground, robbing him of the integrity he deserved and a lifetime with his best friends...rest assured:

There is a timeline where Luke was allowed all that, and much, much more. And as far as I, and everyone of real taste is concerned, that life of reverence, struggle, love, heartbreak, wisdom and fatherhood...that will always be canon.

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If only they didn't fuck his character into the dirt in the Sequels. Maybe we could have gotten one last movie where Mark Hamill played Luke as some uber-powerful Jedi Master letting it rip Force Unleashed style.

Ah well, I suppose I'll have to settle for putting on the Luke Skywalker skin when I play Force Unleashed.

 

[White Devil]

Didnt one of the books (vision of the future) state that though Cortosis was good against lightsabers it was average against most other things?

It was one of the Hand of Thrawn books or I, Jedi. I know what you're getting at because cortosis ore figured somewhat in both.

 

[Prompt Critical]

It was one of the Hand of Thrawn books or I, Jedi. I know what you're getting at because cortosis ore figured somewhat in both.

In Hand of Thrawn, Cortosis was a brittle, flaky mineral that would turn off a lightsaber by overloading it or something when the blade hit it, but was otherwise useless for protection.

At some point after that (I suspect as a result of video game writers looking at the top line summary and not reading further), it became some kind of generic metal armor material that could physically block lightsaber blades.

 

[Shield Breaker]

It's pretty clear that being force sensitive was an inherent thing in the OT and PT, you either were more able to interact with the life energy of the universe (able to use the force) or you just were a part of it (you can't). In the OT, it's further hinted at by how only Leia was posited as "the other", which wouldn't work if everyone had the potential. Han, Lando, Chewie, Mon Mothma. Any of them could've by that logic become the Other and a Jedi as a result. But they didn't, which means only some people have the gift.

As for training time and more proof of heritability: In the PT, Anakin would've died podracing without the force despite having legit no training at all at that time. A normal human would've died, but a force user could pull it off due to their improved perception and reflexes. On top of that, this was an untrained kid who pulled off the win, meaning there are signs and talents you can work on to make an army even with just the basics. If everyone had the potential to use the force, others would've been able to pull this off before hand.

The everyone can have force potential that's being argued is utter rubbish from Disney. Worse yet, this is an idea from Kennedy, right around the time of The Last Jedi.

Even better, even the new lore dunks on that idea. Why? Well, it's pretty clearly heritable given how even in the ST, the main force users you see are descended from prior force users. And the new lore also pretty clearly shows how force users don't even really need training to use their powers given how Rey basically became a Master in a year and could do significant force effects.

Everyone does have Force potential, because they're alive. Everything that is living is connected to the Force, but most people have a really low ceiling for development. Every third party system I experienced back in the day, (FFG, Decipher CCG, etc) operated according to this logic. It isn't like a martial arts where anyone can become a master, but everyone in SW can learn to be more attuned to it. It just isn't worth the time and effort if you are looking at decades to occasionally have a bad feeling about something.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Everyone does have Force potential, because they're alive. Everything that is living is connected to the Force, but most people have a really low ceiling for development. Every third party system I experienced back in the day, (FFG, Decipher CCG, etc) operated according to this logic. It isn't like a martial arts where anyone can become a master, but everyone in SW can learn to be more attuned to it. It just isn't worth the time and effort if you are looking at decades to occasionally have a bad feeling about something.

In layman's terms, all people have a spark of the Force inside them, but only a scant few can actually use the Force.