If people can get their kicks off of cartoon child rape what makes you guys think it won't progress to the real thing. Porn acceleration is real, you get desensitized from something and you search for more bizarre shit to feed your growing addiction, same with loli, when weirdos get bored of the 2d 300-year-old dragon maid they'll eventually venture out for the real stuff and God forbid progress to harming actual children. As a society, we shouldn't even test the waters with loli. Moral fagging about the safety of children is basic common sense.
Desensitization is a myth. Its the same with violence or other fetishes. Blowing people's limbs apart in videogames won't make you any less sickened by it when you see it in real life. Just like investigators of child porn, they don't get desensitized to it, there's huge turn over. That's fantasy. The real thing is something else, and much more horrifying.
When we start exploring our sexuality, it is true we do test our limits. But for some, people's limits stay at some point. If you get off on taboo, then yeah, you're going to go more and more extreme. But others just stay at vanilla and stick to it, no matter how much porn they watch. Others start off as vanilla but have a very specific fetish and stick to it. These fetishes are generally always present as we develop sexual fetishes in child hood.
This is a misnomer anti-porn advocates have been using for decades. Its also been used to link pornography with rape. Its not a new argument.
You are defending loli...and it's usually pedophiles who watched anime that are watching loli and could be seen as child pornography from the doss test/obsencity laws, Like any normal person who hears digi's or any loli fan explanation of loli will get their ass whooped.
Obscenity Laws are trash and serve no purpose except to tick boxes on prosecutor's resume. And the Dost test is based on actual, real children. It isn't based on a drawings. Also it is old as FUCK. Most analysis of child porn is done by computer these days. All child porn collected by federal authorities is given a hash and a code, and checked against a massive database. This is used primarily to: 1) Establish if it is child porn and 2) To identify new victims of child pornography.
And yeah, if you're stupid enough, any extreme fetish would get your ass beat. I'm not analyzing why they like what they like or what makes people like it. It could range from the art style to the taboo aspect to not thinking of them as children, who knows. I'm not speculating on that because I haven't researched it, nor have I asked people who consume it. Digibro is a pedophile because his fantasy ticks a lot of the boxes of a pedophile: Incest, disposing of someone who has aged out, the child aging. He didn't say he was a vampire count in love with a succubus demon. He literally was keeping a 9 year old in a basement and then would dispose of them when they got too old.
I'm just explaining how it is different as well as actual pedophilia.
Not really, if you have a sexual fantasy of children, real or not is pretty disgusting. If it's horrifying you wouldn't be a loli defender or taking the stance on loli you have.
People have cannibalistic fetishes, rape fetishes, mutilation fetishes...there are tons of horrifying fetishes out there. If someone has an anime fetish, I'm less horrified by that. Its weird and fucked, sure. But they aren't imaging taking a kid from the park and fucking them, or going to the toilet and masturbating when they're babysitting. They're not equally disturbing to me. I'm sorry I'm not horrified by fake anime fantasies of degenerate weebs. Because it doesn't even come close to the real thing.
Who's to say we can't do both? I agree those who produce the real thing should be top priority but we can't just forget about people jerking off and drawing cartoon kids being abused.
Because resources aren't infinite and it is pointless to go after people whom you have no evidence will escalate to actual child porn. Sure, if they're already on tor or the dark web, then yeah, obviously they should be watched. But if they're just browsing google and shit, it is a waste. Also, cartoon kids can't be abused because they do not exist in reality.
A normal person wouldn't be dying on the hill of little children being fucked, 2d, or 3d. I have little sibling and cousins...so defending a product that has my little siblings/cousins of that age being used as sexual material is disgusting dude.
If they were actually used to produce 2D or 3D drawings/images, that'd be child pornography and the person who would do it would be a pedophile. You don't have to worry about that being legal, because it isn't. Nor am I defending that. Same with deepfakes. All of that is illegal and people would have the book thrown at them, so you can sleep easy. Well, maybe not easy. Just make sure they don't take any dance or art classes anytime soon with male instructors.
Again, this shit doesn't look like real kids. I'm not dying on this hill. I don't care if you agree with me or not. I know what I've read, I know what I've researched. You're free to find it disgusting, but it really doesn't have anything to do with your relatives unless someone is using them for their sick fantasies.
In this day and age with high speed internet and accessibility of anime/hentai people who watch porn or loli usually get dsensitized to the stuff they watch and have to find more bizarre things to get their hit. If you are okay with kids being abused in fiction you'll probably soften up your stance on the real deal. Like with homosexuality and seeing how we have pedos getting turned on to cuties, we shouldn't really encourage people to partake in that stuff. Even null, generous jersh has said that he started seeing a trend of loli watchers progressing to the real thing. The word gateway drug could be explained better.
They don't. I've been on the internet for centuries and I have no need to delve into more degenerate porn. And why don't pedophiles go for porn stars that look like children? They exist. They're much more real than anime. Because they're not real kids. Its quite a leap since most people can distinguish fantasy from reality. Like loli and CP are completely different animals here. The reality of CP cannot be understanded with how mentally disturbing it is. You'd have to be autistic to make that leap or an actual pedophile.
Again, desensitization is a myth. It just sounds like it makes sense but it doesn't. We don't have to encourage people. I'm not putting up banners for lolicon and waving flags. What fucking weirdos do is none of my business. Josh ran a small chan, which are fucking notorious for pedophiles to hang out on and share images. You really think people who just want loli would risk coming there and having that shit on their PC? There are literally thousands of sites with no risk of seeing a single image of CP. Small chans are notorious of being hotbeds of CP which is why most people avoid them. Not to mention glow in the darks love using small chans as honeypots for easy arrests.
If it is then why should we accept drawing form? It's just giving pedophiles an alternative, we should never give pedophiles alternatives to get their kicks off.
Because as I explained before, pedophilia is a distortion of the world view. Nothing will influence them. They will always offend. They will always seek out real children. They will hunt discord for vulnerable kids to try and get nudes. They won't amass collections of lolicon, they amass collections of real kids getting abused.
And again, to reiterate a point, drawings aren't real and don't influence pedophiles in any way. They need no help in their fantasies. And I'm not even going into the more extreme views (which I don't agree with) that actual child pornography could reduce the rates of molestation, which some people have made. But like I said in my first post, we don't even know the effects of actual child pornography on molestation rates, let alone drawings. Child porn is illegal because it harms children, promotes criminal enterprise and encourages all sorts of bad shit. Loli does none of these things.
and I feel bad for those who were victims and became the thing that ruined their innocence and life. I believe they should get therapy and a support system. But it's fucks like digi who sees no shame in his pedophila he should eat a bullet.
And I agree with you. The problem is that therapy for pedophiles is notoriously hard, because who the fuck is going to say? "Oh yeah, I want to fuck children." Psychiatrists also have a legal obligation to report sexual fantasies of actual minors that pedophiles are close to, which makes it pretty hard to treat them. Though I was reading about a drug awhile ago, when given, eliminated pedophilic tendencies. It wasn't hormonal, it was an anti-schizophrenic drug. I'll have to see if I can find it.
But it should raise concern, if you have a son/brother/sister would you be okay with him watching animated child porn? Like you can say they not pedophiles but I hope you wouldn't even let your younger siblings be around them. I'm just not going to take the risk if someone watches that stuff.
I mean, anyone who openly talks to me about their fucked up fetishes I will have massive concerns about. Like if someone confessed to me they had a cannibalism fetish, I'd probably watch myself around them. Or a rape fetish who admired my SO. It shows a lack of self control and problems with them controlling their impulses. Just like I'd kick someone in the balls if someone called my sister a cute loli. That's beyond the fucking pale. I'm not an idiot.
If you play the audio of digi saying
"Iblike watching little girls getting f****" (censored because I dont want to be in the watchlist) and "I have to defend this stuff and I'm in the front lines" with a straight face....99.9% of people will call him or anyone who describes loli as a pedophile or a danger around children.
I mean, come on, do you seriously see me saying that or remotely agreeing with it? That is very far from what I'm saying. Most people who have extreme fetishes shouldn't be proud of them, shouldn't discuss them in public and should keep their mouths shut. Someone who says that is a pedophile, obviously. But like I said, I already believed he was a pedophile from the audio played before. I'm not defending that sick fuck.
If you watch anything that involves a child being sexually abused in a pornographic manner you're a pedophile or someone who should be investigated to see if you're watching the real thing.
Because most of these loli enthusiasts will 9 times out of 10 got real cp.
I just disagree. We don't have any evidence for either of those things. We don't even have the data. So its just the realm of opinion we're entering. There's sadly very limited and very little good research on pedophiles. Its like trying to research sociopaths. So we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.