Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

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Yes, precisely.

Some of the surgeries are well-documented and standard- mastectomy, penectomy, orchiectomy, hysterectomy. Those are sensible enough for someone who does need some kind of physical assistance with gender.

It's the plastics, the construction of excess parts for appearance, and the hopes up of the patients for function, that are really damning when you look at these procedures.
There are so many potential complications and no way to treat someone who's had these new surgeries done- the variation is insane.

The community of people who want or need this medical care is not to blame for the unsound medical practices or the neglect of patients at all. They are held to their silence as much by the doctors doing this as by anything else.

Activism, I think, takes a backseat to the fear that no doctor will treat.

@PickledPeppers wait until you get your first sickle cell case. They get treated like drug seekers by the medical field, but have a real disease that mainly affects younger black people.

There are genetic differences, they're more based on region of ancestry than race though, a black man from Sierra Leone is more likely to have sickle cell than one from London.
My only hope is that the larger and safer medical community takes a deep stab at this shit, maybe regulate shit, or even arrest the hacks responsible, revoke there medical license and such.

But I have a fear that our current political climate would damn such a thing, due to the silenced people suffering are unable to actually speak out, and questioning it is "transphobic" *sigh*
 
Not surgeons, but there's some horrifying interviews with doctors in this article: https://www.nytimes.com/2015/06/17/nyregion/transgender-minors-gender-reassignment-surgery.html
Norman Spack (the guy who got Susie Green the Mermaids CEO's kid on hormone blockers) features, and says when he first heard about the Dutch protocol of using Lupron and similar drugs on prepubescent children, "I was salivating... We have to do this."
Others pontificate about whether it's reasonable to make a child wait until they're 16 to make permanent changes to their body with experimental procedures.
I haven't even gotten into the use of hormone blockers and hormones in general, mainly because there are a great fat number of doctors willing to prescribe. They're less hostage to a small number of mengele types than the people getting bottom surgeries.

It's horrid to do anything beyond allowing the underage to dress/act how they like. I understand puberty might have additional challenges for some, but they're too young to consent and decide this kind of thing. Disabilities come with difficulties, and going through difficult puberty is the struggle for those who are trans, I suppose. You can't allow kids to do anything dangerous or irreversible, so it's just their burden to deal with.
 
There seems to be two different kinds of "transexual specialty" surgeons: The ones who just want to play God and see if they have the power to create a vagina out of some scrap skin, and the ones who want to single-handedly cure some pathetic widdle tranny's mental problems with a surgical procedure.
The first group seems to be all the overseas ones with no risk of being sued who just don't give a shit if their war crime experiments go wrong, but it's the second group who plays the whole "talking about your surgery being a horrifying disaster that rots your organs inside-out is transphobic" card, because it hurts their egotistical idea that they're some beautiful ally saint of a super-duper oppressed peoples (not to mention their pocketbooks). Both groups are lunatics I wouldn't trust to so much as take my tonsils out.

On the other hand, though, I don't care if somebody wants to lop their dick off and get it replaced by a flesh sockpuppet. I don't think the person doing the chopping has any right to tell you what you can and can't chop off your own body, and it's strange to me that surgeons think they're apex moral arbiters who can and can't tell people how to destroy themselves. If I wanted to cut off my entire right leg, aware of and despite whatever consequences face me, I'm an American, and by the ghost of Washington, it's my God-given right to make a terrible decision about my own bodily integrity.
Consequently, as I believe it's within every American's right to get both their own hands removed, I also and equally believe it's within every American's right to sue the everloving fuck out of a doctor who promises they'll use a sterilized bonesaw and clean up the wrists, and then purposefully uses a rusty logging saw and doesn't even graft skin onto the stubs.

That's really where the problem lies here. These fuckers aught to be sued for being lying butchers, regardless of what procedure they're doing, and they're trying everything in their power to make that unappealing to anyone with a case just to protect their own interests.
Imagine if one of them pulled this same exact shit with an appendectomy, using such inconsistant methods and lying by ommission about the results, and then crying that it's appendectophobic to talk about how they ripped yours out with a crowbar and left you for dead in an alleyway. They'd be living in a cardboard box on the side of the road by the end of the week.
They're all just really lucky at the moment that Twitter troons have the same concept of "transphobia" as BLM has about "racism", where so much as mentioning that cutting up your naughty bits could go wrong--let alone that it does--is a hate crime now, just like mentioning statistics is, so these disgraces to barbery have a built-in White Knight squadron to dissuade any kind of consequences being brought to their sorry asses.
I await with bated breath when those white knights all suddenly disappear when transexualism stops being the "cool" mental disorder.

And then you have the subject of those white-knight patients themselves. Almost everyone who goes for actual genital "reassignment" are the lesbian fetishists who are obsessed with having a TRUE and HONEST CHINA. Out of anyone I've seen who believably has the psychological condition of gender dysphoria, half don't get surgery at all because a name change and hormone prescription is enough to treat it, and the other half seems to settle (for lack of a better word) for removing their testicles/ovaries/whatever and talk about it like it's more of a lesser of two evils to not have genitals at all than to have ones that give them unceasing psychological distress. That second group doesn't do the whole "OMG I'M A TRUE AND HONEST GIRL/BOY NOW SO NOBODY CAN SAY I'M NOT A REAL LESBO/YAOI BECAUSE I HAVE A BEENIS/VAGOOGOO UWU" thing, and just seem thankful that they feel a little better than they used to.
Reminds me a lot of how Munchies act excited and happy about having to get organs removed and ports inserted to sate completely fictional disorders, when real patients just seem at best relieved that it stops the pain. Troons, in the end, are really just another kind of Munchausen's by Internet.

inb4 this thread turns into yet another 400 pager about how troons are fat and no one would sleep with them
 
There seems to be two different kinds of "transexual specialty" surgeons: The ones who just want to play God and see if they have the power to create a vagina out of some scrap skin, and the ones who want to single-handedly cure some pathetic widdle tranny's mental problems with a surgical procedure.
The first group seems to be all the overseas ones with no risk of being sued who just don't give a shit if their war crime experiments go wrong, but it's the second group who plays the whole "talking about your surgery being a horrifying disaster that rots your organs inside-out is transphobic" card, because it hurts their egotistical idea that they're some beautiful ally saint of a super-duper oppressed peoples (not to mention their pocketbooks). Both groups are lunatics I wouldn't trust to so much as take my tonsils out.

On the other hand, though, I don't care if somebody wants to lop their dick off and get it replaced by a flesh sockpuppet. I don't think the person doing the chopping has any right to tell you what you can and can't chop off your own body, and it's strange to me that surgeons think they're apex moral arbiters who can and can't tell people how to destroy themselves. If I wanted to cut off my entire right leg, aware of and despite whatever consequences face me, I'm an American, and by the ghost of Washington, it's my God-given right to make a terrible decision about my own bodily integrity.
Consequently, as I believe it's within every American's right to get both their own hands removed, I also and equally believe it's within every American's right to sue the everloving fuck out of a doctor who promises they'll use a sterilized bonesaw and clean up the wrists, and then purposefully uses a rusty logging saw and doesn't even graft skin onto the stubs.

That's really where the problem lies here. These fuckers aught to be sued for being lying butchers, regardless of what procedure they're doing, and they're trying everything in their power to make that unappealing to anyone with a case just to protect their own interests.
Imagine if one of them pulled this same exact shit with an appendectomy, using such inconsistant methods and lying by ommission about the results, and then crying that it's appendectophobic to talk about how they ripped yours out with a crowbar and left you for dead in an alleyway. They'd be living in a cardboard box on the side of the road by the end of the week.
They're all just really lucky at the moment that Twitter troons have the same concept of "transphobia" as BLM has about "racism", where so much as mentioning that cutting up your naughty bits could go wrong--let alone that it does--is a hate crime now, just like mentioning statistics is, so these disgraces to barbery have a built-in White Knight squadron to dissuade any kind of consequences being brought to their sorry asses.
I await with bated breath when those white knights all suddenly disappear when transexualism stops being the "cool" mental disorder.

And then you have the subject of those white-knight patients themselves. Almost everyone who goes for actual genital "reassignment" are the lesbian fetishists who are obsessed with having a TRUE and HONEST CHINA. Out of anyone I've seen who believably has the psychological condition of gender dysphoria, half don't get surgery at all because a name change and hormone prescription is enough to treat it, and the other half seems to settle (for lack of a better word) for removing their testicles/ovaries/whatever and talk about it like it's more of a lesser of two evils to not have genitals at all than to have ones that give them unceasing psychological distress. That second group doesn't do the whole "OMG I'M A TRUE AND HONEST GIRL/BOY NOW SO NOBODY CAN SAY I'M NOT A REAL LESBO/YAOI BECAUSE I HAVE A BEENIS/VAGOOGOO UWU" thing, and just seem thankful that they feel a little better than they used to.
Reminds me a lot of how Munchies act excited and happy about having to get organs removed and ports inserted to sate completely fictional disorders, when real patients just seem at best relieved that it stops the pain. Troons, in the end, are really just another kind of Munchausen's by Internet.

inb4 this thread turns into yet another 400 pager about how troons are fat and no one would sleep with them
No doctor will remove your legs in the US just because you want it and you're an American.

What's more- if they're American, you can't make them do it.

The issue here is that if there's lawsuits, that whole community will lose a doctor. It's the leverage they're holding- if you want your legs off, and there's only one doctor that will do that, you better hope nobody sues because they'll just stop taking legs off, and you'll be shit out of luck.

It's hard leverage.

The third group I'd add are those who insist on therapy and preparation, spend time gatekeeping the bigger procedures, and only perform the well-tested standards of removal. Those doctors are not rare at all and are definitely not favored by the community, because they aren't promising anything fantastical or imaginary. They're realists in a world of conmen selling daydreams.

They won't be appearing in this thread, because they don't discourage people from discussing the problems with recovery from major surgery, they follow standard procedure and followup with patients.
 
This thread is great, my only issue is the archives do not save the actual pictures properly. So I took the liberty, of course.
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IMAGES ARE NOT NICE:
orchiectomy done by one surgeon, means another one (Suporn) won't deal with it.
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My suggestion? Upload all the images here in case they get taken down.
 
I haven't even gotten into the use of hormone blockers and hormones in general, mainly because there are a great fat number of doctors willing to prescribe. They're less hostage to a small number of mengele types than the people getting bottom surgeries.

It's horrid to do anything beyond allowing the underage to dress/act how they like. I understand puberty might have additional challenges for some, but they're too young to consent and decide this kind of thing. Disabilities come with difficulties, and going through difficult puberty is the struggle for those who are trans, I suppose. You can't allow kids to do anything dangerous or irreversible, so it's just their burden to deal with.
I think you'd struggle to find anyone, trans or not, who had a happy puberty. It's scary and awkward and horrible, and everyone has a shit time and makes bad decisions to deal with it. If it gets worse than normal teen angst, that's what child mental health services are for. Most kids aren't even prescribed mild doses of well tested antidepressants until they're over 18 because of the risks, and this lot want to fuck up their endocrine system before they've even tried those, or given them enough time in therapy. That's my issue with it: it's not that they're making them wait to 16, it's that, if they're going down a proper mental health pathway, they should have spent so much time on it that they're already 16.
 
This thread is great, my only issue is the archives do not save the actual pictures properly. So I took the liberty, of course.



My suggestion? Upload all the images here in case they get taken down.
great suggestion, will do.
 
In 100 years this quackery will be seen as Phrenology is today, right?

Let's talk about Jazz Jennings.

He had srs with the butchers Ting & Bowers at age 17. Since he had a micropenis because his puberty was stopped at 10 he got an experimental surgery.

Before srs

Jazz never sexually matured, his penis was like 2 inches. He also never developed a sex drive or the abbility to orgasm. Despite all this Bowers the butcher told him to figure out how to orgasm before srs - of course it was impossible for him to do so and every sane person could have known this.





(the video is disturbing)

He was only 16 (!!) in the video. Online rags & Tlc talked indepth about the genitals & sex life of a child. Fucking depraved and disgusting.

After srs

surgery nr. 2
Shortly after srs his crotch fell apart

surgery nr. 3
Later he had to undergo another surgery
It's disturbing that he thinks his clitoris is sooo sensitive when all he felt was pain. Recently he complained about it being NOT sensitive.

future surgery nr. 4
Turns out he can't piss correctly so he needs another surgery. In the video Jazz and his mom act like it's a good thing that he doesn't need to undergo it right NOW.

The butchering left him with huge scars and his monster of a mother (who is an abusive, insane narc btw) claims it's all part of his "journey".
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More like his journey to join the 41%.

What happened to this young man is terrible and there are thousands of Jazz Jennings' out there who are left sterilized, multilated and forever unable to experience their bodies like normal people. What's happening here is a crime. Dr. Mengele would be so proud.

Btw. The genital multilation is just 1 out of the countless horrible things surrounding Jazz and his fucked up family. You can go to the Jazz Jennings thread for more horrors.

Remember when we thought Here Comes Honey Boo Boo was something really bad? Now here's a TLC show documenting child abuse.

American culture has only gotten worse and worse over the last 20 years and now it's a total, utter cesspit, how much longer can this keep going before there's a breaking point?
 
In 100 years this quackery will be seen as Phrenology is today, right?



Remember when we thought Here Comes Honey Boo Boo was something really bad? Now here's a TLC show documenting child abuse.

American culture has only gotten worse and worse over the last 20 years and now it's a total, utter cesspit, how much longer can this keep going before there's a breaking point?
We'll have to wait for high-profile child troons to start 41%ing themselves later on. Jazz Jennings seems to be on track for it.

Society only seems to care about its own problems when people start dying of them.
 
dont understand how anyone can say puberty blockers have no effect on children, just physically theres a lot of changes im sure everyone knows they went through

yes it's probably awful that trans people have to go through this big change that will remind them that their body is not what they want, but you need to do it because it also weens out the people who feel 'dysphoric' because they had a traumatic puberty and not because they have actual gender dysphoria :c
 
The third group
Oh of course, massive respect to the actually good surgeons specializing in things like genital reconstruction and organ transplants, shit is seriously impressive work. That's on me for not clarifying I mean two types of bad surgeons doing sex reassignment. Sex organs are a complicated and delicate part of the body--I guess that's why gynecologists and urologists were some of the first medical specialty fields. Probably also why there's such a massive chasm of skill between the good doctors, and the Nazi war criminal ones.

What's more- if they're American, you can't make them do it.
If there's nobody who wants to take off legs, that's fine, that's just a gap in the market I suppose. But there are plenty of surgeons who I'm sure would be completely willing to do things like that, safely, through legitimate means and with good results. What I don't agree with is that even surgeons who would be willing to do medically superfluous procedures, won't. As you said, no doctor "would" take off your legs "just because you want it". That might do more harm than good. I'm not sure how well I'll get my point across here, but I'll try anyways.

First of all, there seem to be two particularly big reasons why surgeons won't do procedures without a medically necessary reason. The first is obviously, they'd get sued. However, I won't really put much weight on this, because I'm pretty confident that if someone had a bodypart removed while confirmably aware of both the potential and definite consequences of it, and then regretted it, they wouldn't have that much of a case. The main problem there is that informed consent isn't very legally robust; if there were a fleshed-out legal definition of what constitutes as "informed" for medical consent, there would be basically no legal risk. As it is, a civil case wouldn't turn out well for the surgeon, but I don't think just for the problem of consent.
The second reason, and it seems the much bigger risk, both legally and professionally, is medical ethics. I know enough about medical ethics to know that "do no harm" is a simplification, but also how important it is. The problem is that what constitutes as "no harm", more often than not, really just means medical necessity. If something isn't made totally necessary by a medical condition, then it's "doing harm". In a binary way, that's fine, since procedures almost always take something away. Of course cutting off someone's perfectly healthy leg will have negative consequences, so it's just reasonable to say it's doing more harm than good. Conversely, if someone's leg is necrotized, falling off, and gone septic, then amputating it is doing more good than harm.
But these concerns seem to bolser an environment where genuinely unethical doctors thrive in places like sex reassigment surgery. Since SRS is a medical procedure for a psychiatric condition, it seems a lot of people, and consequently a lot of doctors, consider it as an unnecessary procedure. Which means that some surgeons willing to go into it won't, because it's too legally or ethically unsafe. And the more surgeons ultimately decide against going into it because of those risks, the higher the percentile of self-interested and unscrupulous hacks in the field.

Doctors being unwilling or unable to do unnecessary procedures also, more certainly, creates an environment where people will fake and lie to therapists and doctors for a rubber stamp. If any autogynephilic troon could get SRS without a Gender Dysphoria diagnosis, they wouldn't even bother trying to find psychiatrists to con, and the state of research would be in a much better place than it is now with 90% of the patientbase being malingerers. That's a bit more universal of a point, though; if any Munchie could just pay to get their lung taken out and lie to people that it was because cancer, hospitals would waste less resources on their bullshit, too.
Unnecessary surgeries being readily available just seems like a win-win to me.

yes it's probably awful that trans people have to go through this big change that will remind them that their body is not what they want, but you need to do it because it also weens out the people who feel 'dysphoric' because they had a traumatic puberty and not because they have actual gender dysphoria :c
Dysphoria and dissociation are common symptoms of puberty. Common symptoms of depression and autism, too. I would say people widely "forgot" that dysphoria isn't only gender-related, but that would imply anyone knew what dysphoria was in the first place.
 
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Yes, that's part of the reason I started the thread- we were talking about this needing to be a thing.

It was really the Kev posts that spurred me. He and Jazz have gotten such bad treatment. Whether you support this process or not, it's bad. And the peer pressure on people with serious problems to shut up about it is really obvious with Kevin in particular.

I'll either link images or spoiler them. This thread might get disgusting if you're brave, but if you're squeamish don't open spoilers.

edit: this thread is about the doctors and surgeries, complications and bad responses from both the medical and broader trans community to people with troubles. It's not meant to debate the need/use of the surgeries, or just to post cursed images.


Ffs, that Thai Doc in the linked thread: “If you want cut-cut I can do cut-cut on you!”

Who the F would want to hear that from their surgeon?!?


Also: I know it’s not strictly doctor related, but did anyone catch Jazz’s mom in one of those clips go: “That’s nothing, just wait till you get your period!”

:stress:WHAT PERIOD?! Is the woman seriously this delusional!?!

This guy seems like he might belong:


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(Pics of fucked results inside. Nope, not gonna go in there myself!)

I was totally shocked and horrified when I saw my final sex-reassignment surgical result from Toby Meltzer of Honorhealth. I was crushed and devastated. I cried for days. Toby's surgery left me deeply traumatized, confused and hopeless. He ruined my life. I was then shocked again when I saw him at a later date and he said it was a great result. I froze in disbelief, speechless and stunned. Toby's ability to gaslight patients is extraordinary. Why would you make a vagina with no clitoral hood? With no tissue covering the urethra, vaginal opening or clitoris? The vaginal depth was also significantly less than it should have been. He told me that "a lot of women's vaginas look like that." So, he disfigured me, then totally lied to my face. It looked terrible. It defied all logic or rationale. Sex was awkward and painful. It was almost completely useless. I had little interest in being sexual. How could he think this was a great result? His response to my concerns was literally to tell me “Just don’t open your legs.”

Lol! K, I gotta give him extra points for saying that. To somebody whose crotch he just butchered.



Study of results: About 10% experienced total or partial neovaginal prolapse”. Totally safe guys!
 
Dr. Sidhbh Gallagher, gender surgeon butcher.
Website (archive)
YouTube (archive)

Classic case of using her patients as guinea pigs, experimenting on them by preforming surgeries that have never been done before (archive).

Gallagher has quite the social media presence, including a Tik Tok account @gendersurgery (archive), an app dominated by children and a massive 'trans' userbase. Gallagher prays on mentally unstable minors by posting videos glamorizing trans surgeries, even going as far as to explicitly advertise FTM surgery to under 18s, looking through her comments show people as young as 13 asking about breast and penis removal. Claims to be able to preform surgery on almost anyone, overweight, obese, bleeding disorders. You name it - she'll attempt it!

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSmTxLsd/ - https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSmTgWtG/ - https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSmTwjWS/
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Patient experiences with Gallagher found on reddit -
Patient discusses and shows bleeding, puss filled neovag 14 MONTHS after a revision (archive)
FTM patient describes their experience (archive) - surgery was scheduled only five days after consultation (I know zilch about SRS, but this can't be common practice?). Less than 5 minutes of personal interaction with the surgeon before being cut open by her.
"...the bloody bubble that is protruding is actually my clit. I almost threw up all over the room." (archive)

Butcher specifically targeting children going through the normal stages of puberty. These kids need time and mental health attention, not the glamorization of chopping your tits or penis off being blatantly advertised to them.
 
Honestly, if these doctors really are super shitty and leaving the troons with even more problems than they started with then aren't the doctors really just doing a public service for the greater good?

Why yes, I do have a problem with troons. Thank you for noticing.

Well... I don’t think anyone here is calling for their head. (Except for maybe the ones who Mengele teenagers and kids.)

We just want a good laugh while they perform their “public service”.

And Dr. Mark, sorry! “Marci” Bowers: aka the doctor who trooned out and mangled Jazz Jennings crotch, seems to be a serial offender:

I had it with Bowers. It wasn't good because she not only left me with a huge amount of erectile tissue that took 3 surgeries to remove, and gave me a urethra that expands to over an inch across with arousal, but most importantly she has left me with a sensation that can only be described as a screw driver being pressed into the left side of my clitoris.


Bowers, and no not really. It took almost 3-4 months trying to convince her that the wound separation I had was severe enough to get a revision. I even texted her pictures within days of the original surgery, where there was some big problems, and was told to just let it heal instead of revision.

I had surgery at the end of 2018 and have had complications ever since. It all stemmed from popping stitches on both sides of my vagina and my clitoris receding. I had a revision in June to address the more major of stitches popping but still have some nasty complications.

I lost the skin lining my vaginal wall and have essentially had granulation tissue all inside the vaginal canal. I was prescribed beta methazone cream to help but I am still having issues that I need advice about.

About once or twice a month my vagina feels like it's getting infected where dilating becomes super painful.

I've never been able to have PIV sex at all, though I can still orgasm through my clitoris but because its receded it takes a lot of effort.


There seems to be a bunch of fucked surgeries Bowers has done, if anyone wants to dig deeper:


(Just scroll till you get to Bowers.)
 
I read this and feel nothing. We're bypassing nature by not letting these mutants just off themselves to remove their defective genes from the species. These surgical complications seem like a good solution to that problem.
 
Dr. Sidhbh Gallagher, gender surgeon butcher.
Website (archive)
YouTube (archive)

Classic case of using her patients as guinea pigs, experimenting on them by preforming surgeries that have never been done before (archive).

Gallagher has quite the social media presence, including a Tik Tok account @gendersurgery (archive), an app dominated by children and a massive 'trans' userbase. Gallagher prays on mentally unstable minors by posting videos glamorizing trans surgeries, even going as far as to explicitly advertise FTM surgery to under 18s, looking through her comments show people as young as 13 asking about breast and penis removal. Claims to be able to preform surgery on almost anyone, overweight, obese, bleeding disorders. You name it - she'll attempt it!

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSmTxLsd/ - https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSmTgWtG/ - https://vm.tiktok.com/ZSmTwjWS/
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K, I know those pictures are filtered to fuck but still. I can’t be the only Kiwi who wouldn’t mind her surgically sucking my dick.

Anyways, before you can say WTF kind of name is Sdhbh (it’s pronounced “Seve” or something), it/she is Irish and I definitely sense lolcow potential here.

You see, the good Dr. Sdhbhbhh has opened a tranny surgery mill with this chick:

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Her sister! Oh... Is she a nurse? A fellow doctor? Well... no. She’s a... Lemme see...

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OK, I have no fucking clue what her qualifications are to co-run a surgery clinic nor exactly what the fuck she’s doing there.
 
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