Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

[Ghostse]

As I already showed above, armor in Star Wars is useful/useless depending on the situation and the gaps in it.

It turns out the armor is made of plotonium.

Flak vests don't really get worn that much anymore. I know a few heli crewmen and their gear is usually a very minimalist plate carrier from Eagle systems and the like. Some of the newer stuff they wear they almost look like scout troopers in OD.

A lot of soft armor nowadays come with trauma pads that go between the vest and the armor, the point being to cushion it so you maybe don't break a rib, but you're still going to feel it.

You're right about how ceramic plates are designed to catch a bullet, but I can promise you, you're going to feel that shit unless you're so jacked up on adrenaline you wouldn't notice a limb missing for a short time or something. That being said, most carriers don't come with plates, and there are a variety of different types. Most nowadays are multicurved so they're more comfortable to wear and are multi hit rated to withstand multiple rounds. That being said, if you're getting shot center of mass multiple times, you fucked up.

To get somewhat back on topic of Star Wars, I imagine armor against directed energy weapons would have to be some kind of reflective in order to be effective. Or sloped like tank armor is.

I haven't keep up with the latest developments, but when I had to care about such things, flak vests were what you preferred when hunkering in bunkers if rockets/shells were coming because of the nut-to-neck all-around protection and what you'd be dealing with was just shrap. Some of the guys in there with us had been in vietnam, and told us about guys buying it when a round came in sideways through the armhole. You didn't go outside the wire with a flak vest, least of all because they were all woodland cammo and didn't have changeable covers. Though some of the racked guys would put a FV under their carrier.

We had some of the earliest production curved plates, and I dunno - i never so much as got shot at and basically only got to wear plates in a "Here is how to Plate: A class for dumbass mouthbreathers who might not know how to tie their own shoes" - but some guys who got to change out their plates for new ones said they didn't even realize they'd been shot until later. One guy was a reservist MP who was a cop, said he got shot as a cop and couldn't breath right for 3 days after. His carrier ate a stray for him, and he had us take a pic while he showed off his busted plate while shirtless to send back home to his cop buddies- "Not even bruise".

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

God 1995 era nicole Kidman could have played mara jade

 

[Creep3r]

Star Wars Art from Monsters & Aliens by George Lucas:
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Managed to find a higher quality version of Ron Cobb's unused gorilla alien with some actual details.

It was an arctic creature that was mammal-like. Can't make out the third line but I think it says "fish eater". Described as "very strong" and "very gentle". Its one of the few rejected designs from ANH to not be elaborated on or appear as a character later on, however, it has made rare appearances as a background alien in the comics and in Genndy's Clone Wars animated miniseries. And there was a species called a Najib (pictured on the right) which were also based on apes, had eight fingers, furry bodies, sharp teeth like in the commercial and big heads. Only difference is that they had hair on their heads and four nostrils with two being above their mouths (but two on their cheeks like in the original), but they still liked the cold, were very strong and very friendly. The costume would be fully realized for a 3P-O's cereal commercial, with the costume either being made for the commercial or was left unfinished for ANH but later finished for the commercial.


Also since I shared parts of the Monsters and Aliens Guide in my last Ron Cobb post, I thought I'd share the rest of the guide's content since it contains artwork of unused aliens and creatures from several Lucasfilm projects some by Cobb others by many different artists, but mostly Ralph McQuarrie.

Apparently a rejected creature from Willow called an Ingka. Some sort of viking dogman that according to the book lives by a pledge of plunder and pillaging that frowns upon love and generosity.

A prototype Rancor.

An early Jabba's guard design.

This one is an early concept design for Jabba by McQuarrie and it was previously shown in the ROTJ art book. The book refers to it as Ytha, a lonely creature looking for a date. The design was re-used in 1990 for a Hutt subspecies called Quockrans (right).

Another Jabba concept art.

A Bith song (not the Modal Nodes from the Cantina, but a different band although the same pictures are used).

Unused alien that were originally rejected designs for Bib Fortuna from ROTJ. The two eventually ended up being added into lore in the form of the Adnerem species.

Concept art of some beast called a Smapp. A rejected Willow, Dark Crystal or Labyrinth design. The book also featured instructions on how to cook it. It ended up being brought into lore via a prequel tie-in at SW.com which had it as one of the foods served at Dex's Diner.

No idea wtf this is. The page accompanying it is some sort of disturbing poem comparing it to a nightmare. Could be a rejected Willow design, Labyrinth design or Dagobah creature design.

Two concept designs for the Eborsisk dragons from the movie Willow.

A rejected concept art for Jabba. Was later brought into lore in the form of the Berrite species, a distant hutt cousin. Probably the seventh ugliest alien in old canon alongside the Vuvrians and Eyes. They were also the loony troony trannies of the galaxy, constantly switching pronouns and wanting special treatment for their fat carcasses for no reason. Appeared stupid but were highly manipulative and deceitful.

Concept art for alien 23 of Jabba's palace, later named Brangus which went unused in the film.

A rejected Ewok design.

A Heep-Heep, a rejected Dagobah creature iirc.

Concept art of "Prod", either a Willow, Labyrinth or ROTJ reject meant to serve as a guard.

Jabba the Hutt concept turned into its own unique character which later appeared in a prequel holonet tie-in.

A rejected Jabba's palace guard design by Rodis Jamero which would later be incorporated into lore as the Rodisar.

A wanted poster using concept art of one of the main villains from the second Ewoks movie.

There's a few more but mostly rejected Jabba designs.

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[Miller]

Jabba the Hutt concept turned into its own unique character which later appeared in a prequel holonet tie-in.

He looks a bit like Morn from DS9.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

It turns out the armor is made of plotonium.

I haven't keep up with the latest developments, but when I had to care about such things, flak vests were what you preferred when hunkering in bunkers if rockets/shells were coming because of the nut-to-neck all-around protection and what you'd be dealing with was just shrap. Some of the guys in there with us had been in vietnam, and told us about guys buying it when a round came in sideways through the armhole. You didn't go outside the wire with a flak vest, least of all because they were all woodland cammo and didn't have changeable covers. Though some of the racked guys would put a FV under their carrier.

We had some of the earliest production curved plates, and I dunno - i never so much as got shot at and basically only got to wear plates in a "Here is how to Plate: A class for dumbass mouthbreathers who might not know how to tie their own shoes" - but some guys who got to change out their plates for new ones said they didn't even realize they'd been shot until later. One guy was a reservist MP who was a cop, said he got shot as a cop and couldn't breath right for 3 days after. His carrier ate a stray for him, and he had us take a pic while he showed off his busted plate while shirtless to send back home to his cop buddies- "Not even bruise".

Material is most important in SW when it comes to armor. How much energy it can absorb, and how much physical damage it can weather. But eventually, like all armor, hit it hard enough, and it falls apart. Not even the mighty Phase 3 Dark Troopers can withstand overwhelming fire from proton torpedoes.

 

[Creep3r]

-SNIP-

Star Wars art.
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Another Jabba concept. It was ever used although the Sy Myrthians from the prequels may be based on it, and like Jabba they also had slug-like bodies.

Some bat-like creatures. Probably proto-Mynocks, although the first pic may have been intended for Willow or Labyrinth. These were later integrated into pre-Disney SW lore as a species native to Dagobah.

More unused Jabba designs. At one point Jabba was going to have a rather prominent hooked nose and a hand on his tail. Some of these less extreme designs would occasionally be used for background aliens or lesser Hutts in SW comics.

This Jabba design would later be recycled for Sy Snootles' species.

Another rejected Jabba design. The book calls it a Morpitoo.

Rejected designs for Bib Fortuna which were also considered for Imperial ambassadors. The last one would go on to become the uniform for the B'omarr Monks as depicted below by McQuarrie.

The more alien designs would go onto inspire the design for one of Palpatine's priests on Byth during the Dark Empire saga.

The day Nilo Rodis-Jamero gave birth to three iconic aliens. But you won't see him get credit for it on Wookieepedo...

The following 5 all seem to be ROTJ rejects.

Unused Gamorrean concept later dubbed Skreen of Lusaanda for the book. Ended up being brought into lore in the Tatooine Manhunt RPG and Essential Atlas, specifically the world of Lusaanda and the Lusaandans, but Skreen himself went unnamed. Simply being called an officer.

Another Gamorrean concept called mOKDAR-15 of Simento-Threk in the book. His planet and species ended up being brought into lore ages later in the Essential Atlas.

Another unused alien for ROTJ later called Kaat a female horticulturist in the George creature book. Her species would later be brought into lore years later in Revenge of the Sith in the form of the Utai.

Unused Jabba's palace patron later called AANXI of the Yde from the city of Desultori in the book. Species and homeworld were later added into lore via the Atlas. Might remind some of you of an Elcor from Mass Effect, which it predates by several decades.

Reject Jabba guard art dubbed 26-424 of Galloway Island in the book... This thing has never been used in anything as far as I know, but I think the Marvel comics had something like it once. Other concept art of it existed in the ROTJ art book which were intended for the Gamorreans:

It would later be added into lore as a lone character in an rpg supplement however its species remained unknown.

Finally to finish it off, here's these two.

Could be unused creatures for Willow, Star Wars, the Ewok movies or even Labyrinth. Whatever the case, I think there was a mix-up when naming and describing them. The gorilla-like thing is described as the Early Death Dog and hairless despite having hair, while the other one is called the Manac Nebut and is clearly hairless and dog-like. Funnily enough the Early Death Dog came from a world called Vedlt in a region dubbed Troon. Anyway, these two never received any kind of appearance or reference in lore, although there's no shortage of hairless canines in Star Wars, but none that resemble this mutt.

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[Getting tard comed]

What do you all think? I disagree completely on the Clone Wars(2008 )being the best Star Wars content made and really surprised to hear anyone has that opinion, but besides that it's a compelling thesis and he provides a compelling case for movies not being the best medium for SW.

Even if I don't agree with him

 

[Mississippi Motorboater]

Star Wars' roots are in Saturday Matinee Serials. Of course it lends itself better to serialized storytelling like TV shows, animation, comics and multi-novel story arcs.

That's precisely why the films, great as they are, account for only 10% of my love for Star Wars. They're a good jumping off point, but they're far from the definitive medium for what the franchise should be. They're just the medium Lucas chose at the time.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Star Wars' roots are in Saturday Matinee Serials. Of course it lends itself better to serialized storytelling like TV shows, animation, comics and multi-novel story arcs.

That's precisely why the films, great as they are, account for only 10% of my love for Star Wars. They're a good jumping off point, but they're far from the definitive medium for what the franchise should be. They're just the medium Lucas chose at the time.

That's the case with most SW fans nowadays. The movies were like the small taste, that entrance drug, that got you into the cornucopia of SW content. This was somewhat not the case in the OT era when the movies were just standalone works that were supplemented with comics, but by the time of the Prequels, that was the case, with tie-in games and novels/comics aplenty exploring backstories for characters that appeared for all of 5 seconds in the Prequel films.

 

[Imperial Citizen]

What do you all think? I disagree completely on the Clone Wars(2008 )being the best Star Wars content made and really surprised to hear anyone has that opinion, but besides that it's a compelling thesis and he provides a compelling case for movies not being the best medium for SW.

Even if I don't agree with him

Clone Wars 2003 demonstrated the action side of the Clone Wars while Clone Wars 2008 went in-depth on its battles and the political side of the war. I'd say that my favorite parts of the 3D Clone Wars were the scenes with the Separatist Council and the political machinations of Palpatine on Courscant in regards to the banks and courts. Both provide crucial context to how Anakin falls and how the Republic becomes the Empire. Which is what the entire prequel trilogy was about in the first place.

 

[Uranus Pink]

Major problem with recent western storytelling is the obsessive need to have the protagonists be the saviors of the setting. No longer can the protagonists just be someone just doing their job in their corner of the city, state, country, world, galaxy and etc. sharing the responsibilities with others.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Major problem with recent western storytelling is the obsessive need to have the protagonists be the saviors of the setting. No longer can the protagonists just be someone just doing their job in their corner of the city, state, country, world, galaxy and etc. sharing the responsibilities with others.

Agreed 100%. Interestingly enough Mandalorian bucking this trend is a significant part of why the show is so well recieved.

It's probably been discussed in this thread already and I've forgotten but what are peoples thoughts on Clone Wars(2003) vs Clone Wars(2008 ) ? Even before I saw the video I posted I felt 03's series did a more effective job of fleshing out the characters as well as character development, but it I imagine that's a minority opinion. Imo 03 is the better overall series even though 08 has more content. 08 just has way to many bad episodes as well as filler episodes not to mention 08 ends up with every villian(with the possible exception of Papa Palps) being incompetent as opposed to the 03 series villains being the best they have ever been portrayed in some cases.

Kiwis, what say you?

 

[Ghostse]

Major problem with recent western storytelling is the obsessive need to have the protagonists be the saviors of the setting. No longer can the protagonists just be someone just doing their job in their corner of the city, state, country, world, galaxy and etc. sharing the responsibilities with others.

Its also the need to inject relevant social issues and personal politics with no prompting or any bearing on the story's narrative. They have to check all the proper woke check boxes, and take time to explain precisely how not *ist their protagonist is, lest their series be cancled for being on the wrong side of history in 20 5 years.

I just finished what was billed as Police Mystery Novel about the seedy Atlanta underworld. What I got was a lady cop going on about her father's mental illness and going on about white fragility and how she wasn't racist and it was great gangbangers were turning they lives around.

Another one I read in the middle for absolutely no reason, the protagonist and another random character get into a verbal and nearly physical argument about the second ammendment. At no point in the story does gun ownership play into the plot.

Another one, while at least mildly relevant to the plot, the main character was a former secret service agent who was injured taking a bullet for a thinly-veiled Dubya/Reagan hybrid, and would remind you every third chapter about how liberal-leaning but politically neutral he was and go on swimmingly with his very conservative boss, and that some of them were certainly good people. (and the mastermind of the plot was a disenchanted conservative who's daughter died when she got a back alley abortion, now that Dubyareagan made abortion illegal again. Which could have been some some insightful "rules for thee" sort of assholery, but they were too busy saying how evil it was he was a conservative)


I spent a portion of my childhood where I was restricted to "Jesus-approved Media". Its given me a very good sense of when I'm being preached at - its not like this is some superskill, you just read the same message-injecting tells over and over and you just recognize patterns.
Now a days everything is preaching SJW nonsense.

 

[Adamska]

Major problem with recent western storytelling is the obsessive need to have the protagonists be the saviors of the setting. No longer can the protagonists just be someone just doing their job in their corner of the city, state, country, world, galaxy and etc. sharing the responsibilities with others.

The other major problem is that most "creators" don't want to tell the story, they want to preach and convert and/or harrass the audience. They don't give a shit about what they have, they just see it as a step to what they believe is the big leagues. Until you have the entire system fail due to these personality flaws, you aren't getting good cinema on the big screens unless they're independent.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Major problem with recent western storytelling is the obsessive need to have the protagonists be the saviors of the setting. No longer can the protagonists just be someone just doing their job in their corner of the city, state, country, world, galaxy and etc. sharing the responsibilities with others.

That's basically the problem with most western storytelling nowadays-especially superhero tales. Batman saving Gotham is plausible-Batman defeating Darkseid is improbable, almost downright impossible. What actually made the prequels/Clone Wars different is that the heroes DON'T save the day, they were destined to fail, but it showed that they still did their best and after EPIII, the plan was endure the bad guys' reign while working towards a better tomorrow.

The other major problem is that most "creators" don't want to tell the story, they want to preach and convert and/or harrass the audience. They don't give a shit about what they have, they just see it as a step to what they believe is the big leagues. Until you have the entire system fail due to these personality flaws, you aren't getting good cinema on the big screens unless they're independent.

Basically, it's half SJW polemics, half power fantasy, and that's why it usually sucks. And of course, when the audience complains, the new creators bitch and whine and moan that the audience is racist/sexist/immature, which is ironically enough the opposite case. Just look at Mulan 2020: it's supposed to be a story about Chinese people for Chinese people, and yet the writing board was full of white feminists who think they know what's best for Chinese audiences, when the Chinese have already shown a love for strong male characters like Optimus Prime saving the day.

 

[Uranus Pink]

That's basically the problem with most western storytelling nowadays-especially superhero tales. Batman saving Gotham is plausible-Batman defeating Darkseid is improbable, almost downright impossible.

Trust me I have seen the tardism for over twenty years of how Batman and the Punisher can beat or killed the entire DC and Marvel hero and villian roster while circling around plot induced stupidity. Though permanent damage been done when 21th Century DC and Marvel kept making that shit canon with any hero facing Batman or Frank Castle becoming absolutely retarded letting them win.

What actually made the prequels/Clone Wars different is that the heroes DON'T save the day, they were destined to fail, but it showed that they still did their best and after EPIII, the plan was endure the bad guys' reign while working towards a better tomorrow.

Prequels were a classical Greek tragedy of the heroes misinterpreting the prophecy. Especially when of none them were wondering how the Force is unbalanced when there were currently no Sith that they know of prior to TPM.

 

[Getting tard comed]

Prequels were a classical Greek tragedy of the heroes misinterpreting the prophecy. Especially when of none them were wondering how the Force is unbalanced when there were currently no Sith that they know of prior to TPM.

Explain please. Prophecy wasn't misinterpreted, Anikan did bring balance to the Force(20+years later) and the prophecy wasn't given serious consideration really until Anikan was found in TPM.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Trust me I have seen the tardism for over twenty years of how Batman and the Punisher can beat or killed the entire DC and Marvel hero and villian roster while circling around plot induced stupidity. Though permanent damage been done when 21th Century DC and Marvel kept making that shit canon with any hero facing Batman or Frank Castle becoming absolutely retarded letting them win.

Prequels were a classical Greek tragedy of the heroes misinterpreting the prophecy. Especially when of none them were wondering how the Force is unbalanced when there were currently no Sith that they know of prior to TPM.

If Superman or any superhero fought Batman and the Punisher with any real seriousness, those two would be a blood smear on the ground before the first second of the fight even passes. Hence why their enemies have to be crippled with an intense case of plot-induced stupidity because there wouldn't be a fight otherwise. Batman and the Punisher sell well, hence why they're allowed to win such ridiculous fights, if DC and Marvel stuck by the rules and laws of their universe, Batman and the Punisher wouldn't even count at the top 10 superheroes in terms of battle power. They'd be more like Zhuge Liang, staying behind the lines and coaching the other heroes on strategy instead of actually going out there and getting pounded into jelly by guys fifty times stronger than them.

Lucas interpreted the balance of the Force as the lack of darkness, but it was nice to see that even the great Jedi Order can be flawed, that they too, were human, and that they were looking for this silver bullet (the Chosen One) to deal with all their problems, when the problems were right before them already even before Sidious became Chancellor: political corruption, lack of social order, self-interest overriding the needs of the many, the Jedi could have solved a lot of problems by taking over and declaring a state of emergency for six months and cleaning up the government. If the Jedi fixed that broken Republic of theirs and forced the core worlds to make peace with the Outer Rim, the Sith wouldn't have an opening to manipulate (taxation on trade routes/Separatist crisis) and they would have no choice but to stay in the darkness and sulk.

That, and the Jedi could have sent in one of their own to join the Rule of Two Sith with the eventual goal of overthrowing the Sith Master, taking all his/her knowledge and resources, and then becoming an operator for the Jedi Order in case they needed a Dark-Sider to deal with Dark-Side threats. Puppeting the Sith would have been more useful and easier, considering that it's a theocracy ruled by two people, and the apprentice ends up overthrowing the master. Basically, it would be like what the Yakuza is for Japan: an organization that keeps crime under control, so that the government knows who to call if a gang problem gets out of hand. Then said Jedi/Sith Lord can take apprentices from the Jedi Order, people whom the Jedi have screened and approved for such a special task, so that the new Sith won't have a bad case of backstab-happy idiots ruining the club.

 

[Mr. 0]

That, and the Jedi could have sent in one of their own to join the Rule of Two Sith with the eventual goal of overthrowing the Sith Master, taking all his/her knowledge and resources, and then becoming an operator for the Jedi Order in case they needed a Dark-Sider to deal with Dark-Side threats. Puppeting the Sith would have been more useful and easier, considering that it's a theocracy ruled by two people, and the apprentice ends up overthrowing the master. Basically, it would be like what the Yakuza is for Japan: an organization that keeps crime under control, so that the government knows who to call if a gang problem gets out of hand. Then said Jedi/Sith Lord can take apprentices from the Jedi Order, people whom the Jedi have screened and approved for such a special task, so that the new Sith won't have a bad case of backstab-happy idiots ruining the club.

Thing is though that turning to the Dark Side is usually caused by going a little too far in some direction, whether it's being too ambitious, going crazy, or some other slippery slope--trying to manipulate the Sith in the way you describe would have the plant eventually setting his/her sights on taking control of the Jedi Order as well because the way in which they use the Force fucks with their heads (excluding Palpatine, who was a shit from the get-go). What you're suggesting is basically the Order keeps Dark Jedi and whatever on retainer but their teachings, I don't think, would allow for that level of subterfuge.

And your ideal candidate sounds like it would've been Mace Windu, but his whole thing was that he was constantly teetering on the edge of the Dark Side, never actually turning.

 

[LORD IMPERATOR]

Thing is though that turning to the Dark Side is usually caused by going a little too far in some direction, whether it's being too ambitious, going crazy, or some other slippery slope--trying to manipulate the Sith in the way you describe would have the plant eventually setting his/her sights on taking control of the Jedi Order as well because the way in which they use the Force fucks with their heads (excluding Palpatine, who was a shit from the get-go). What you're suggesting is basically the Order keeps Dark Jedi and whatever on retainer but their teachings, I don't think, would allow for that level of subterfuge.

And your ideal candidate sounds like it would've been Mace Windu, but his whole thing was that he was constantly teetering on the edge of the Dark Side, never actually turning.

There's already a few Jedi who are more than a bit nutty-the thing is, they're still loyal to the Order, even though they see non-Force users as beneath them. Jorus C'baoth would do. He's still loyal to the Order, even though he was already flirting with darkness before he left for the Outbound Flight project. Him taking Sith teachings won't really change him since he's already full of himself.

That, and they wouldn't want to take control of the Jedi Order even if they go dark. Why would they? The Jedi are bound by tradition to stick to the Light and serve people, whereas a Dark Lord can control the populace through dark powers or manipulation, and the less Sith there are to compete with him, the better. So long as the two sides don't conflict, they can stay separate. Hell, I'd even give this Jedi plant among the Sith a permanent seat on the Council once they've overthrown the Sith Master and taken his teachings. Kind of like a specialist to deal with Dark-Siders on retainer. Plus, it doesn't have to be a fully Dark-Side Sith, since SWTOR showed us that Light-Side Sith are possible. Then have the Jedi Sith Lord train those who are pure of heart in Sith techniques, so we can preserve the Sith's knowledge while only handing it to those who are strong enough in the Light, that the Dark Side won't consume them-with the power of the Light, they'll be able to command it. Kind of like how the Ring of Solomon in som mythological writings was able to control demons because it was gifted to Solomon by an angel. And SWTOR shows us that it is canonically possible, supported by other examples such as Luke Skywalker, Kyle Katarn, and Mace Windu using Force Choke, with Luke using it on Gamorrean Guards, and Mace Windu using it on General Grievous.