I don't deny that it's worth searching the house and interviewing her. But the facts that:
(A) the postal inspector responded to an inquiry that no suspicious packages were being delivered to her address
(B) the police had suspected the mode-of-entry of the drugs to the house to be by mail and had not observed Glover delivering anything to the residence
(C) the police themselves stated that they considered the house to be a soft target - not a priority, not a danger, and with no interest in arresting Breonna Taylor in connection with drug-dealing
(D) they already had plentiful evidence against their targets and all necessary arrests before they entered Taylor's residence (which is something the police took effort to cover up)
(E) they were warned that there might be a child in the apartment
(F) police wrote on the whiteboard that they had no intention of going in without knocking like the other addresses, indicating they didn't think it was critical to catch her by surprise as they needed to with the other individuals
... put together indicate that the police should not have gone about serving the warrant in the way they did. It could have waited, or they could have taken more caution. They acted recklessly. They didn't need to collect evidence from that apartment - they aleady had enough to convict their men and they had no intention of arresting Breonna and charging her in connection. Not to mention, a lot of doubt was cast on there even being drug packages in the house already.
I also didn't mention before that the police seem to have been caught in another lie when Mattingly claimed to have been inside the apartment when shot in the leg. According to an attorney during the grand jury, crime scene photos show no blood in the area that Mattingly indicated he was at when shot. Yet the bullet struck his femoral artery and he nearly bled to death, according to police. How did he nearly bleed to death with no blood loss? He must not have been where he indicated he was.
Why is that detail important and why would a police officer lie? Because if he wasn't inside the apartment yet, he could have easily taken cover at the door instead of returning fire in fear for his life. It mitigates urgency. The officer who was indicted was done so because he had fired blindly from outside the apartment. If Mattingly was also outside the apartment and fired in, he could be just as guilty. And the lack of accurate targeting does seem to also be in line with officers who didn't take enough caution and blind-fired from outside.
Ultimately, we are left with two options and we need to decide which is more believable:
(1) police didn't announce themselves because their warrant didn't require them to do so before entering. They did not respond to repeated screams of "who's there!" from inside the apartment because they were not required to by law. Walker retrieved the gun he legally owned because he feared for his safety and the safety of his girlfriend - it was a bad neighborhood full of drug addicts who may commit break-ins after all. As soon as the door was broken down, he shot 1x at what he thought was an intruder. He ceased shooting after that 1 shot, realizing the situation wasn't as expected. Police then lied about announcing themselves and also altered the times recorded for the warrant execution, all to mitigate the impression that they acted recklessly and needlessly, risking public safety.
(2) police did announce themselves. Walker, who has no criminal history, no involvement in the drug operation police were investigating, no incriminating evidence around him, and no reason to suspect he would be arrested, heard the police announce themselves and decided to grab his gun and lay in wait to shoot police, with his unarmed girlfriend at his side. He does not respond to the police announcements and does not open the door as he lays in wait, premeditating blue murder. When the police break down the door, he decides to wait a few moments for an officer to enter the apartment, then decides to shoot him. In this one-man premeditated attack against a large group of armed police, Walker decides to fire only one bullet. Walker, an innocent civilian with no involvement in criminal enterprises, wanted to kill police... so he fired one bullet and stopped. Then, he lies that he never heard them announce themselves. Police decided to alter evidence about when they executed the warrant for no reason at all.
Your scenarios leave out a critical 3, which is what I now lean towards with the new information.
Neither side could really hear -eachother- A corroborator says the police announced themselves, and I am willing to agree its unlikely a non-felon, unwanted for a crime is likely to go pop pop. Your suggestions though presume one side is lying, when in fact there is an answer which says neither is, which comports to both the witness testimony and the ideas of a reasonable person.
Police announce themselves
Walker hears someone yelling through the door but can't make it out
Walker yells to identify themselves
Police don't hear it well.
What you have then is... a tragedy that wasn't really avoidable.
Of course, at this point I don't expect you to accept this third option. Considering you are utterly insistent on the police never have announcing themselves against all evidence and rational thought. You have repeatedly asserted additional things in your 'just the facts' I have been utterly unable to corroborate myself like the child comment and the police supposedly calling it a soft target and totally writing something on a board.
With out getting in to the specifics of the Taylor case
If there are multiple warrants for the same case for multiple locations you hit them at the same time/minutes apart to prevent the other locations being notified, this is done to preserve any evidence and to catch the people at the place off guard/ surprise them (i.e. they have less time to destroy evidence/set up defenses) knock warrant or no-knock.
He was not given too much ketamine. McCain was 140-150 pounds (63.5 - 68.0 kg)
Everything I have read on McClain states he was giving it via injection (IM Route),
McClain was given 500mg of ketamine, 63.5*6.5 = 400.05mg. 68*6.5=428.4mg
McCain was given the lower end of a correct dosage for his weight.
About Breonna Taylor: She still saw her ex-boyfriend Jamarcus Glover and probably they were still in a relationship.
About 2 weeks before she was killed she had a phone conversation with Jamarcus where they were talking about 'the trap'
In this case trap = trap house = house used for dealing drugs.
A death body was transported in her black Dodge and she knew about it.
This girl has been dating drugs dealers for at least 5 years.
Before Jamarcus Glover she had a relationship with LeRondrick Crenshaw. He's good buddies with Jamracus Glover and is in the
same gang. Breonna's sister even admits in an article that Breonna knew about those things but she quickly adds that they were not allowed
to talk about drugs when they were with her. This of course is bullshit.
Edit: A few streams from Jamarcus Glover when he's driving his car.
Allergic reaction or some other bad reaction to a sedative, tragic accident were no one is to blame (Assuming McClain actually was autistic or what ever BLM claims he was).
Elijah McClain wasn't killed by the police but by EMT's who gave him way too much ketamine. They had to give him ketamine because the guy kept acting like an idiot
and wouldn't calm down.
On a hot summer night he was walking around wearing a jacket and a ski mask. Someone called the police because he
saw someone dressed and acting suspicious in his street. The person was also yelling and waving with his arms.
When police arrived he refused to stop and comply; he refused to identify himself. He friendly told them they couldn't do anything to him and decided to walk away.
That's when troubles started, they had to try and calm him down and if I remember correctly he even tried to grab a gun from one of the officers.
Because of that cops decided to call an ambulance and when they arrived EMTs gave him ketamine to calm him down.
In all these cases, Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, Rayshard Brooks, Jacob Blake, Elijah McClain, and whoever I forgot, ... it comes down to one and the same thing: View attachment 1626861
I think this one is another that is much more worthy of criticism than many of the 'say their name' cases we hear about more.
There's a vested public interest in whether police should be enlisting or directing the use of medical personal to inject powerful mind/consciousness-altering sedatives into someone during an arrest. Is it is being done for actual medical reasons or as an easier method of chemical restraint (in addition to the physical restraints)? In his case they significantly misjudged the dosage, as well. All of this over a situation with basically no underlying crime.
I won't say there's no case to be made for continuing the practice but at least there are things to be addressed and examined and I think there's even middle ground. It wasn't a case of a cop defending himself while in the process of trying to arrest a wanted sexual assaulter who had a knife and people saying "why didn't you just grab him."
I can't for the life of me figure out why some of these cases blow up while others just quietly simmer. Maybe the families don't get the right ambulance chaser?
• MOST IMPORTANTLY: Walker's perspective. According to him, he and Taylor did not hear police announce themselves. He was not knowingly shooting at police. This is critical because the video's summary of events would lead you to believe that her house was in fact a stash house and Walker was knowingly and intentionally attacking cops. If that were the case, self-defense would seem clearcut. However, if someone is not aware you are police and they have a legal right to defend themselves, it seems clear that there is another option: take cover and announce yourself. Would Taylor have died if police had taken this measure? Would it have reduced risk to the public?
EDIT: Adding another -
• If they were behaving in a reasonable fashion, why was Taylor shot 6 times and the actual shooter not once? Do you think it is reasonable for the police to shoot hostages instead of the terrorist in a hostage situation? Shouldn't police exercise caution not to shoot people beside a shooter that are not holding guns or shooting at them?
The police were firing for suppression so they could get to cover (also known as "cover fire"). When there's bullets coming at your team you don't just run through a fucking hail of bullets to try and find cover, let alone try and drag your downed man to get them to safety (that's how you get more people hit).
You throw out some suppressive fire so your team can semi-safely get itself tactically positioned and drag the downed person to safety.
Your "other option" is a bad option that would result in more casualties.
She was hit in that suppressive fire simply because of where she was relative to everyone else involved - directly in the line of fire. He was either behind her or had himself in a position of cover off to the side (i.e. he wasn't in the direct line of fire or he'd be full of lead too).
I think this one is another that is much more worthy of criticism than many of the 'say their name' cases we hear about more.
There's a vested public interest in whether police should be enlisting or directing the use of medical personal to inject powerful mind/consciousness-altering sedatives into someone during an arrest. Is it is being done for actual medical reasons or as an easier method of chemical restraint (in addition to the physical restraints)? In his case they significantly misjudged the dosage, as well. All of this over a situation with basically no underlying crime.
I won't say there's no case to be made for continuing the practice but at least there are things to be addressed and examined and I think there's even middle ground. It wasn't a case of a cop defending himself while in the process of trying to arrest a wanted sexual assaulter who had a knife and people saying "why didn't you just grab him."
I can't for the life of me figure out why some of these cases blow up while others just quietly simmer. Maybe the families don't get the right ambulance chaser?
Have you seen the bodycam footage? He refused to stay calm so besides a baton, a knee in his neck or a tazer I don't know what else they could have done.
I think this one is another that is much more worthy of criticism than many of the 'say their name' cases we hear about more.
There's a vested public interest in whether police should be enlisting or directing the use of medical personal to inject powerful mind/consciousness-altering sedatives into someone during an arrest. Is it is being done for actual medical reasons or as an easier method of chemical restraint (in addition to the physical restraints)? In his case they significantly misjudged the dosage, as well. All of this over a situation with basically no underlying crime.
Gone are the days where the deputy sheriff can corral a drunk off the sidewalk and put them in the recovery position overnight in the drunk tank. These days new drugs are all over the street, and the drugged out thugs have such high tolerances they are constantly pushing the line on an OD just to get high on a mix of who knows what. Times changed, so did the response.
Now cops have to assume that every tweaker acting weird is hopped up on a Devil's cocktail that has them ticking down to a heart blow-out. So the SOP is to pin them down until the EMTs arrive to shoot them full of Narcan or ketamine in the vain hope that the perp will continue to live on the taxpayers dime. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't.
In this case the kid was acting like a drugged up retard spaz, and responded poorly to the cure.
Or it succeeded at keeping him from acting like a spaz permanently, if you'd like to think of it that way.
I can't for the life of me figure out why some of these cases blow up while others just quietly simmer. Maybe the families don't get the right ambulance chaser?
I come bearing whitepills since I always bring lunacy and blackpills.
First we have a black Trump supporter clowning on some self-hating whites for asking him if he believes black lives matter. He asks them if they will bow to him and kiss his feet. They flee. View attachment 1625850
It's hilarious when his based friend in the orange polo points out the obvious: "Black lives only matter when they agree with white liberals". Sad.
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I think this one is another that is much more worthy of criticism than many of the 'say their name' cases we hear about more.
There's a vested public interest in whether police should be enlisting or directing the use of medical personal to inject powerful mind/consciousness-altering sedatives into someone during an arrest. Is it is being done for actual medical reasons or as an easier method of chemical restraint (in addition to the physical restraints)? In his case they significantly misjudged the dosage, as well. All of this over a situation with basically no underlying crime.
My biggest problem with cops (or more appropriately, their departments), is a lack of training. Everything else comes down to lawyer liability, which again is in their command structure's wheelhouse.
Cops have been crosstrained in basic lifesaving & first aid, but for liability reasons are limited to that. Civilian police have to wait for EMTs, and any time a situation is handed off to another party, the potential for serious fuckups & delays exists.
In my opinion, a good solution to this problem would be something along the lines of the Army's "combat lifesaver" program. Those are troops in a squad who carry a stripped-down medic's bag and train with medics, but without having to attend the school.
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I think this one is another that is much more worthy of criticism than many of the 'say their name' cases we hear about more.
There's a vested public interest in whether police should be enlisting or directing the use of medical personal to inject powerful mind/consciousness-altering sedatives into someone during an arrest. Is it is being done for actual medical reasons or as an easier method of chemical restraint (in addition to the physical restraints)? In his case they significantly misjudged the dosage, as well. All of this over a situation with basically no underlying crime.
I won't say there's no case to be made for continuing the practice but at least there are things to be addressed and examined and I think there's even middle ground. It wasn't a case of a cop defending himself while in the process of trying to arrest a wanted sexual assaulter who had a knife and people saying "why didn't you just grab him."
I can't for the life of me figure out why some of these cases blow up while others just quietly simmer. Maybe the families don't get the right ambulance chaser?
BLM co-opting Breonna Taylor is a bad thing not because Breonna was guilty or deserved it or anything, but because they're making it a black issue and not a drug war, no-knock warrant Rand Paul-type of issue. They will do nothing to make sure the problem gets solved and they only want to aggrandize themselves.
It's really weird why some blow up and others don't. The James Scurlock thing that Tucker briefly mentioned sure seems like it should have become way more of a BLM issue than it actually was. It wasn't actually a cop killing that time, but it was related to the BLM protests and the guy defending his business had rumors floating around he was a racist for a long time, you think they could have done a lot more with that. Why didn't they? It's so weird.
Elijah McClain wasn't killed by the police but by EMT's who gave him way too much ketamine. They had to give him ketamine because the guy kept acting like an idiot
and wouldn't calm down.
On a hot summer night he was walking around wearing a jacket and a ski mask. Someone called the police because he
saw someone dressed and acting suspicious in his street. The person was also yelling and waving with his arms.
When police arrived he refused to stop and comply; he refused to identify himself. He friendly told them they couldn't do anything to him and decided to walk away.
That's when troubles started, they had to try and calm him down and if I remember correctly he even tried to grab a gun from one of the officers.
Because of that cops decided to call an ambulance and when they arrived EMTs gave him ketamine to calm him down.
The "hot summer night" was 64 degrees according to weather reports on the day it happens.
Aurora is over 5,000 feet above sea level, summer there especially when the sun goes down can be cold.
The police had zero probable cause to stop Elijah McClain their official reason for stopping him was "being suspicious" which isn't actually a crime.
There's no evidence he tried to grab anyone's gun.
The officer's own statement was they choked him unconscious then some how he was awake again when the EMT showed up except he was then braindead again by the time he got to the hospital.
Then these same cops then went back to the scene to stage a photo op with one officer choking another so they're totally remorseful that they killed this kid.
Gotta love how the clarification to what they meant by "Swoopers" was basically saying it's a made up word that some other people may use to mean something else but when WE say it you should KNOW it means THIS ONE SPECIFIC GROUP!
Bitch, just use the group's name instead of being vague about it then. It's not hard to not make up words.
I would say that these people are actual children acting out war games on a world-sized playground, but there is usually the hope that children will grow out of it. BLM and Antifa and the those who follow them are just clay.
By the way, if we go to a cashless society like I hear the tinfoil hatters warn about now and again, will it stop trashy folk from posting selfies with stacks of bills on their social media pages? That would be nice.
A common tactic used by cops in other countries with disorderly assemblies of unruly assholess is beating the shit out of them relentlessly so there is no other option but to run away. The intent is not to arrest but to leave a painful souvenirs all over their bodies that will leave them so damn sore that even moving is agony for the few following days. Nice deterrent to make rioters think twice before showing up on further gatherings. I feel this is the best option against these commie larpers since I don't believe any of these overgrown children have been disciplined in their entire lives. "Spare the rod, spoil the child" as it is said.
The police were firing for suppression so they could get to cover (also known as "cover fire"). When there's bullets coming at your team you don't just run through a fucking hail of bullets to try and find cover, let alone try and drag your downed man to get them to safety (that's how you get more people hit).
You throw out some suppressive fire so your team can semi-safely get itself tactically positioned and drag the downed person to safety.
Your "other option" is a bad option that would result in more casualties.
She was hit in that suppressive fire simply because of where she was relative to everyone else involved - directly in the line of fire. He was either behind her or had himself in a position of cover off to the side (i.e. he wasn't in the direct line of fire or he'd be full of lead too).
Please see my other post (the spoilered section) for details about why that is unlikely: it seems the police were lying about Mattingly being in the apartment at the time he was shot, considering the evidence. If he wasn't in the apartment when he was shot, there would be no trouble taking cover at the doorway and no need to lay down suppressive fire.
Furthermore, is it even reasonable to use blind suppressive fire into an apartment toward a hallway leading to a bedroom when you have been warned there may be children in the apartment?
But moreover, was it even reasonable for them to enter the apartment in the way that they did? Because even if you find yourself in a situation where you could argue self-defense by that point, if you acted recklessly/carelessly/dangerously to put yourself into that position, it's your fault. For example, if Jacob Blake had turned around after being shot at by police and fired back, he could argue it was self-defense at that point, but the fact is his behavior up to that point was reckless, dangerous, and a threat to public safety means I wouldn't accept any claim for self-defense from him.
With out getting in to the specifics of the Taylor case
If there are multiple warrants for the same case for multiple locations you hit them at the same time/minutes apart to prevent the other locations being notified, this is done to preserve any evidence and to catch the people at the place off guard/ surprise them (i.e. they have less time to destroy evidence/set up defenses) knock warrant or no-knock.
That would make sense, except that the police didn't execute those warrants simultaneously. They altered evidence after the fact to make it appear like they did by changing the time logged that the other warrant was served on multiple documents. So in actuality, by the time they started to serve the warrant on Taylor's apartment, they already had their targets in custody and ample evidence against them. It shows a lack of necessity and urgency. It's important to note that they didn't serve all their warrants. They just decided during that night not to serve one of them. They could have decided not to serve Taylor's either, delay it, or be more patient in serving it instead of breaking down the door. Apparently it wasn't a necessity or urgent to serve a warrant on one of the other locations, after all.
Your scenarios leave out a critical 3, which is what I now lean towards with the new information.
Neither side could really hear -eachother- A corroborator says the police announced themselves, and I am willing to agree its unlikely a non-felon, unwanted for a crime is likely to go pop pop. Your suggestions though presume one side is lying, when in fact there is an answer which says neither is, which comports to both the witness testimony and the ideas of a reasonable person.
Police announce themselves
Walker hears someone yelling through the door but can't make it out
Walker yells to identify themselves
Police don't hear it well.
What you have then is... a tragedy that wasn't really avoidable.
Of course, at this point I don't expect you to accept this third option. Considering you are utterly insistent on the police never have announcing themselves against all evidence and rational thought. You have repeatedly asserted additional things in your 'just the facts' I have been utterly unable to corroborate myself like the child comment and the police supposedly calling it a soft target and totally writing something on a board.
I had considered this third option but ruled it out for a reason I already mentioned before: the police account says they heard movement within the apartment. It beggars belief that they could hear movement within the apartment (a quiet noise) and could not hear shouting. They never mentioned that they heard any vocalizations at all and couldn't make it out. The police account was that there was movement and no response.
Either the police are lying that they heard movement because the door was too soundproof to hear anything in both directions (unlikely, because them hearing movement is consistent with Walker's account of his actions, and so both sides of the story agree on this point and so I don't doubt the police on that), or, they are lying that they did not hear any yelling for them to identify themselves (likely, because it would call into question whether they ever identified themselves if they admit that the people inside the apartment were asking who they were).
You accuse me of stating unverifiable info when you never asked for evidence of those details - I would've been happy to oblige. Here you go.
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EDIT: In conclusion, the massive irony of this case is that tragedy would likely have been avoided if they had either served it as a no-knock-no-announce warrant, OR, as a knock & announce patiently warrant. If they had broken in with no knocking, Walker wouldn't have had time to become fearful and get his gun. If they had been patient and announced themselves repeatedly while knocking, Walker wouldn't have thought it was a break-in. The problem arose from mixing these two methods by knocking and not announcing. Therefore, no-knock warrants aren't the problem. Police procedure and training is.
The central crux of the Taylor situation seems to be whether or not the cops announced they were cops. Something like 11/12 witnesses say they did not hear the cops announce themselves as po-leece, and afaik there's no bodycam footage - though there are pictures of a someone with a bodycam on that have been floating about.
Essentially, if there's information the grand jury was made party to that no-one else is, chances are the info's related to breaking the he-said she-said.
TBH looking forward to future documentaries about the people still doing X years for arson/car attacks etc. Particularly what the interaction is between various prison gangs and these people, and whether they still see themselves as harry potter or whatever.
Lol theyd get passed back and forth between the nazi gangs and the black Muslim gangs because skinny (and landwhale) white butthole can only be enjoyed in small doses when the other end never stops reeeeing about seizing the means of production. Or, there will be a lot of bitching from the staff about tore up bedsheets because the boys will gag em 24/7 not just when its assfucking time
The idea that anyone in the pen is going to listen to smug broomstick limbed babies proselytize about the revolution
