US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

ufukiniggas · Sep 30, 2020

Arm Pit Cream said:
There's no good reason to think it won't happen because the backlash would be far worse. Let's keep off the conspiracy theories and try to have fun rather than being depressing.

Wait - you're not dead?!
Where the fuck have you been?
You've got to troll a thread once in a while or something. I thought something got you or you finally flipped off a bridge or something.

rando0675309 · Sep 30, 2020

Iwasamwillbe said:
It did make the "debate" hard to listen to at times. At various points I couldn't understand what anyone was saying over the loud jumble of clashing mouth noises.

It was an absolute, unmitigated shit show. The fact that Trump walked all over Biden was the intended result from the GOP.

Had Biden said "shut the fuck up you Orange Motherfucker and let me speak" from the start he would have been ok. Biden let Trump put him in the cuck circle like he's a journo at his press events. It confirms everything that was feared about Biden from the start; he is literally demented and cannot function no matter how many drugs you put in him.

Allanon · Sep 30, 2020

feral cat #6385 said:
Remind them we are not electing someone to be a nice guy. We are electing a leader. Point out to them what a shit show cities such as Portland and Minneapolis are because they elected nice guys. Weak men create hard times.

They've been banging that drum for the past 3 years. Trump is not an unknown. It's not going to sway anyone at this point.

I told them that Trump did basically the same thing to Hillary and people loved it, but they're a bit leery about it. Still plan to vote for Trump, but they think he made a tactical mistake and let Biden look more secure and sure of himself, while Trump felt more defensive. We'll see how he does next debate. I think Trump did just fine, they think Biden probably 'won', and that seems accurate because the most 'official' poll I can find about 'who won' has been sitting at 50% both for the past 216k votes. Overall, it seems the debate was close enough that half of the average person thinks Trump won and half think Biden did.

5t3n0g0ph3r · Sep 30, 2020

KiwiLedian said:
Also, why is everyone crying that this is the lowest point of American politics ever? Did everyone suddenly forget we had a fucking civil war 200 years ago? I'm pretty sure a country embroiled by civil war sets the bar as the lowest point of politics in said country by miles.

Before that, the War of 1812 was not too great, either (Washington burning, invasion of Canada repulsed, the treaty that ended the war with status quo antebellum).

Iwasamwillbe · Sep 30, 2020

Hopefully the second debate is far more coherent than the first.

Which basically translates to: hopefully the second debate's moderators at least not interrupt and attempt to argue with Trump every time he's speaking, and actually *attempt* to moderate the debate.

rando0675309 · Sep 30, 2020

Allanon said:
I told them that Trump did basically the same thing to Hillary and people loved it, but they're a bit leery about it. Still plan to vote for Trump, but they think he made a tactical mistake and let Biden look more secure and sure of himself, while Trump felt more defensive. We'll see how he does next debate. I think Trump did just fine, they think Biden probably 'won', and that seems accurate because the most 'official' poll I can find about 'who won' has been sitting at 50% both for the past 216k votes. Overall, it seems the debate was close enough that half of the average person thinks Trump won and half think Biden did.

Everyone has pretty much made up their mind, but for Biden it confirms the worst fears from the liberal Millennials who were skeptical of him from the start.

Let me put it to you this way... Me and my friends were watching the Yankees game, but switched to the debate when they started dominating. When that happened, Trump was slaying this Alzheimer's nigga to the point that my TDS friends were dying laughing. It was bad for Biden, no matter what the MSM says.

Jason Blaha's Hat · Sep 30, 2020

Coh said:
By this point you either hate Trump so much, you think he’s a white supremacist or you realize he’s not (and either like him or dislike him). The media uses this line of attack so often it’s meaningless at this point. What white supremacist would talk about blacks being employed at higher numbers being a good thing?

He's obviously running a deep cover 24 hour op, he sends out MK Ultra kill phrases to activate his fellow members of the KKK.

Pissmaster · Sep 30, 2020

draggs said:
Not until Barron is constitutionally of age to fill the office.

There will be a couple decades between him and his father, I think that's okay.

meanwhile the West family will become a dynasty

I can't wait to die with President North West Kardashian in office

Polyboros2 · Sep 30, 2020

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Where I left it off before moving to the stream. Why does the highlight fail us when we need it most.

Tomboy Respecter · Sep 30, 2020

rando0675309 said:
Everyone has pretty much made up their mind, but for Biden it confirms the worst fears from the liberal Millennials who were skeptical of him from the start.

Let me put it to you this way... Me and my friends were watching the Yankees game, but switched to the debate when they started dominating. When that happened, Trump was slaying this Alzheimer's nigga to the point that my TDS friends were dying laughing. It was bad for Biden, no matter what the MSM says.

It really makes you question why anybody thought running a demented old man was a good idea when they had Bootyjudge and Gabbard, who had perks that would allow them to steal some of Trump’s base and would have done better at the debates than Trump probably rather than shit the bed.

Astro Galactic Megalul · Sep 30, 2020

rando0675309 said:
Everyone has pretty much made up their mind, but for Biden it confirms the worst fears from the liberal Millennials who were skeptical of him from the start.

Let me put it to you this way... Me and my friends were watching the Yankees game, but switched to the debate when they started dominating. When that happened, Trump was slaying this Alzheimer's nigga to the point that my TDS friends were dying laughing. It was bad for Biden, no matter what the MSM says.

Okay, you have convinced me to give it a watch. I've heard that moderator wasn't exactly fair, throwing softballs to Biden and loaded questions to Trump, and unfair shit like that just upsets me, it's not what they should be doing.

ditto · Sep 30, 2020

Checking out Biden campaign slogans according to Wikipedia. I haven't heard them use half of them.

rando0675309 · Sep 30, 2020

Astro Galactic Megalul said:
Okay, you have convinced me to give it a watch. I've heard that moderator wasn't exactly fair, throwing softballs to Biden and loaded questions to Trump, and unfair shit like that just upsets me, it's not what they should be doing.

I usually don't defend that neocon fuck Wallace, but he was actually ok. There was no way he was restraining Trump, and he actually asked Biden pointed questions. It was truly something to behold.

Allanon · Sep 30, 2020

Astro Galactic Megalul said:
Okay, you have convinced me to give it a watch. I've heard that moderator wasn't exactly fair, throwing softballs to Biden and loaded questions to Trump, and unfair shit like that just upsets me, it's not what they should be doing.

The mediator started with incredibly hard hitting questions against Trump, accusing him of things like the unproven $750 in fed taxes thing, grilled him and tried to get soundbytes out of Trump, and then asked a set up question to imply Trump would definitely lose at the end. He did none of those things to Biden. I'm also pretty sure he claimed 2 minutes passed for Trump when it definitely didn't at least a couple times.

MrJokerRager · Sep 30, 2020

I am probably many posts behind. Basically this debate was a giant shitshow that blew apart my expectation of how much a shitshow it was gonna be. Basically GEOTUS treated it like a Wrestlemania event and went after Biden.

You see this is why rigging the primaries and turning Bernie into a cuck was a bad idea. If Bernie had been somewhat aggressive to give Biden some practice, maybe he would not lose his cool in the first 20 minutes telling Trump to shut up and still gets shitted on by Trump. Biden should have asked Hillary for pointers or even Jeb.

GEOTUS dropped the ball for me on CRT by failing to define why its racist and letting Biden get away with the "racial sensitivity" training lie. And the other ball dropped was attributing the "superpredators" line to Biden when it was Hillary who said that. Could have gone after Biden for being chummy with dixiecrats as well as the "racial jungle" comment and using the gamer word once as a cheap shot. Also got arrested at a pro-segragation rally and brought up cornpop and the you not black if you don't vote for me gaffes as well.

Biden looked strong with bringing up Beau Biden dying in Iraq and GEOTUS subverted that feel good moment with the other fuckup known as Hunter Biden lol was fun.

Parthenos · Sep 30, 2020

CrippleThreat said:
And on that point, can anyone say that they would do a better job in the shitshow that is politics?

To be completely fair, I once had someone tell me I should go into politics. I was actually a bit offended by that, honestly.

Trump is yet again turning the election into a reality show, and that's his element. He actually struck me as a bit less mean than he could be, I definitely think that he pulled a few punches to try and come off as more independent-friendly.

Biden definitely had the more childish set of insults, and his being a smuckling liberal spouting vague emotional platitudes won't do anything to win over people who are very concerned about his campaign taking the election seriously.

Buttigieg2020 · Sep 30, 2020

Allanon said:
I told them that Trump did basically the same thing to Hillary and people loved it, but they're a bit leery about it. Still plan to vote for Trump, but they think he made a tactical mistake and let Biden look more secure and sure of himself, while Trump felt more defensive. We'll see how he does next debate. I think Trump did just fine, they think Biden probably 'won', and that seems accurate because the most 'official' poll I can find about 'who won' has been sitting at 50% both for the past 216k votes. Overall, it seems the debate was close enough that half of the average person thinks Trump won and half think Biden did.

which poll are you referring to?

It's HK-47 · Sep 30, 2020

I had to go back and re-watch that several more times, because of course I fucking did that doesn't surprise anyone. Two things that I'd want to lay out at the start would be that historically, Trump's always used the first debate he has against someone or someone(s) as exploratory. If you go back and watch the first round of debates for the RNC in 2016, and his first debate with Hillary, he always takes it 'lighter' than the follow-up debates because he's probing for the other person's style, or their weaknesses. Biden's weakness doesn't need to be repeated because he made that shit visible from space.

Two, these media companies have a vested interest in the spectacle, even FOX. They can't have it a completely one-sided ass-kicking carnival because that will depress viewership for follow-up debates, and they want to keep people cranked up to 11 and biting at their nails, because the media has no idea where to find morality in the English dictionary.

Those points aside: Biden proved what a weak candidate he really is by allowing Wallace to carry him through the entire debate. He didn't offer policies, he didn't offer serious rebuttals, he didn't offer solutions, he just stared at his feet mumbling "that's not true" when facing legitimate and easily-proven truths, or he let Wallace do all of the heavy lifting for him. Did anyone else notice that? Whenever something that Trump said was being rebutted with specifics, it came from Wallace. Joe Biden didn't do it even a single time; Wallace had to carry him, and Biden just let it happen, as if Wallace was some kind of helicopter mom trying to berate the teacher for giving her son a B-.

They also changed the rules smack in the middle of the debates. Originally, this was supposed to be 2-minute answers to each question, followed by a 15-minute open discussion between the two candidates. Every time that we got into the open discussion and Trump started hammering down on Biden with a criticism so specific that it sent him mumbling at his shoes again, Wallace jumped in to try and stop him. Not only that, but Wallace never leveled the same hard, specific critiques towards Biden that he was leveling at Trump all night.

He also offered absolutely no push-back against Biden when Biden touted shit like that "both sides" garbage, but big surprise: The media doesn't treat Trump very fairly. I know, we're all shocked.

By the time we'd made it to the third round of questions, the 15-minute discussion was almost completely abandoned in favour of a straight Q&A. Wallace was trying to forcibly rip away the strongest part of Trump's debate strategy, so if it felt like we were getting barely 30 seconds on a topic before Wallace shrieked, "Okay new topic!" as soon as Trump started landing hits, that's because it wasn't your imagination.

All-in-all, people are going to spit-shine the shoes of the political party they affiliate with the most, and none of us can possibly change anyone's mind, but I'm really fascinated by just how much of the work that Wallace had to take on tonight in Biden's stead. Biden did astonishingly little to specifically address anything that Trump was saying, he just kept telling him to shut up, kept calling him names, or kept bleating that this wasn't true, that's a lie, he's a liar, etc.

The actual policy debates took place between Wallace and Trump. Biden was just.. Kind of in the room when it happened.

Ledian · Sep 30, 2020

5t3n0g0ph3r said:
Before that, the War of 1812 was not too great, either (Washington burning, invasion of Canada repulsed, the treaty that ended the war with status quo antebellum).

I let that slide, the US was very young at the time and experience in war was not exactly the high-point. A status quo antebellum was the best the US could have gotten in it really.
It also made Jackson a war hero and paved the way to his presidency, that more than makes up for it.

legalkochi · Sep 30, 2020

All I can say is that if Biden really did win the debate, then the mainstream media wouldn't be talking about not having any more debates between Trump and Biden.

I myself personally think Trump did an excellent job, especially considering the fact that not only was he debating Biden but also the moderator (what happened to "Wallace will just stay in the background"?)

And Trump managed to get Biden to lose his radical left supporters with his flip flopping.

US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

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