US First Presidental Debate - Boomerdome 2020

WELCOME TO THE 2020 PRESIDENTIAL DEBATES!!!

https://www.washingtonpost.com/elections/2020/08/14/presidential-debates/

Time: Starts at 6:10-6:30pm to 7:40-8pm PST / 8:10-8:30pm to 9:40-10pm CST / 9:10-9:30pm-10:40-11pm EST

Where to watch:

Location: Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland

Moderator: Chris Wallace, anchor of “Fox News Sunday”


Competitors:

Former Vice President Joe Biden


President Donald Trump

Details: The debate will be 90 minutes long and have no commercial breaks. There will be no opening statements, and instead Wallace will dive right in with the first question to Trump. It will be divided into six 15-minute segments that Wallace has chosen. They are:
1) The Trump and Biden records;
2) The Supreme Court;
3) Covid-19;
4) the economy;
5) race and violence in cities;
6) the integrity of the election.

After the debates a poll will be posted on who you think won this first debate. Have lots of fun, keep the commentary fresh as I'm sure we've all heard many of the same lines for months and enjoy the beginning of the end of this presidential election cycle. Just as a reminder, on October 7th there will be a Vice Presidential debate between Kamala Harris and Mike Pence at the University of Utah in Salt Lake City, Utah.
You can view Joe Biden's megathread here, and Donald Trump's megathread here

Previous Democratic debates-
First Democratic debate (two nights)
Second Democratic debate
Third Democratic debate
Fourth Democratic debate
Fifth Democratic debate
Sixth Democratic debate
Seventh Democratic debate
Eighth Democratic debate
Ninth Democratic debate
Tenth Democratic debate
Eleventh Democratic Debate

Democratic primary results-
Super Tuesday
Mini-super Tuesday

Have fun!

 

[usernames can change now!]

Why release all your ammo in one debate tho.

I'd love to see CNN cutting Trump's mic. America will collectively lose their shit and vote for Trump.

It will only serve to outrage his base because of transparent rigging on LIVE FUCKING TV.

If Trump planned for this, this dude is a fucking time traveler as I have said for 3 years now.

I felt like Trump missed calling Biden out on contradictions at least a couple times. It frustrated me that he let Biden run with the narrative of "Trump killed the economy with shutdowns, also I'm better for the economy, also I promise more shutdowns"

 

[Not Really Here]

(Maybe I’m late, thread’s moving fast.) Foreign Policy is typically its own debate.

They didn't choose that format this season.

 

[GHTD]

it means they're going to mute the microphones of Trump/Pence if they're not supposed to be talking.

FTFY. CNN won't mute Biden/Harris at all, since they're on the "right side of history".

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

https://www.allsides.com/blog/when-debate-turns-debacle

In the first presidential debate of the 2020 general election campaign, absolutely nothing happened. But it was the loudest and most raucous “absolutely nothing” in American political history.

Both candidates were at their worst. Donald Trump was belligerent and overly combative. Joe Biden got frustrated and frequently got lost in his own answers. Neither won any new supporters, but both motivated their own bases simply by not being their opponent.

The end result is that nothing changed. The good news for Trump is he now knows that neither an opponent or a moderator can stop him from being Trump. The good news for Biden is that Trump being Trump doesn’t move any votes in either direction. And the next debate doesn’t take place for another sixteen days, which means the campaign is largely frozen in place until less than three weeks before Election Day.

In other words, Trump understands that Biden can’t or won’t stand toe to toe with him. And Biden understands that he doesn’t have to.

Boxing fans with long memories may recall when Muhammed Ali regained the heavyweight title from George Foreman in a 1974 prizefight known as “The Rumble in the Jungle”. Ali allowed Foreman to punch him repeatedly, knowing that Foreman would exhaust himself before his punches caused any great harm to Ali. The technique became known as “rope-a-dope”, and other fighters learned that if they could withstand their opponent’s blows, they might leave some of their own blood in the ring but would ultimately prevail.

This is essentially the technique that Biden used against Trump on Tuesday night. Biden punched back on occasion with intermittent insults and criticisms of his own, but he knew that Trump’s nastiest attacks would not win the president any new supporters. So rather than trading blow for blow, Biden absorbed the worst of Trump’s hits and walked away from the debate no better off than when it began, but no worse either. And with the polls and the calendar on his side, that was good enough.

Biden did occasionally let Trump get under his skin, and sometimes lapsed into the same type of schoolyard taunting as he was receiving. Especially early in the debate, there were times when Biden seemed off balance by the unyielding assault that Trump directed at him and lapsed into the type of confusing and circular verbosity for which he has become known over the years.

But while Biden frequently stumbled, he showed no hint of senility. He missed some tantalizing opportunities to draw stark contrasts with Trump, but he provided none of the senior moments that Trump and his allies had predicted. Biden wobbled, but he didn’t fall. Which was good enough to keep his lead intact.

Trump did nothing to cause any of his supporters to abandon him either. He has always relied on an extremely motivated base of loyalists for his success, and knows that the best way to excite those true believers is by attacking their common enemies. For him, the debate was simply one of his trademark rallies that substituted an opponent and a moderator as slightly different types of props than his usual adoring audience. His debate strategy was specifically designed to stoke those fires, not to win any converts.

Biden is much less interested in — or capable of — inflaming anyone’s passions.

Very few voters will ever be very much aroused by his message or his presence, but they can be comforted that he will steer the ship of state in a more conventional manner. Except for a few lapses, his approach was also on display for much of the debate. He still needs to find a way to increase turnout from unenthusiastic young people and minority voters, but he spent the evening reassuring swing voters that he was a safer choice than the martinet on the other side of the stage.

In its entirety, the debate was simply a 90-minute embodiment of this unprecedented and otherwise inconceivable election year in which two extremely different candidates have pursued the presidency in entirely dissimilar ways. Small wonder that it resulted in so much sound and fury signifying so little.

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Dan Schnur is a Professor at the University of California – Berkeley, Pepperdine University, and the University of Southern California, where he teaches courses in politics, communications and leadership. Dan is a No Party Preference voter, but previously worked on four presidential and three gubernatorial campaigns, serving as the national Director of Communications for the 2000 presidential campaign of U.S. Senator John McCain and the chief media spokesman for California Governor Pete Wilson. He has a Center bias.

This piece was reviewed by AllSides Managing Editor Henry A. Brechter. He has a Center bias.

 

[Ly Erg]

Who Won The Debate?

How voters felt about 2020 presidential candidates Joe Biden and Donald Trump before and after the debate on September 29, 2020

projects.fivethirtyeight.com

And the debate did...pretty much fuck all really. Moved voting intentions very slightly and that's about it which is what I expected really.

 

[RockPaper]

https://www.allsides.com/blog/when-debate-turns-debacle

This is essentially the technique that Biden used against Trump on Tuesday night. Biden punched back on occasion with intermittent insults and criticisms of his own, but he knew that Trump’s nastiest attacks would not win the president any new supporters. So rather than trading blow for blow, Biden absorbed the worst of Trump’s hits and walked away from the debate no better off than when it began, but no worse either. And with the polls and the calendar on his side, that was good enough.

LOL at this paragraph. Imagine actually thinking Biden was using a "technique" as described.

 

[X Prime]

I'm hearing rumblings of approval for the concept of mics being cut from the TDS crowd.

It's incredible, I never thought I'd see Something Awful-level janny dicksucking be advocated for IRL.

 

[CrippleThreat]

If I could even interpret what Trump and his team's plan was, it had to be "You know some talking points and Joe Biden is a feeble old man can barely keep his composure. Keep the spotlight on you, keep his policies a mystery or just call them out as bad." Given that the incumbent candidate usually does worse, and in Trump's case, "being worse in general" would be the talking point of the other side. This debate just felt similar to today's news coverage; it was all about Trump, Trump, and Trump. Biden was a non-factor, which I dislike, because I'm actually interested in what he his team wants for the country. If Chris Wallace was trying to keep Trump from making Biden spazz out, kudos to him, but fuck off unless these two old fucks start wrestling with each other.

Trump imo, shouldn't have shut up. However, he needs to stop chiseling away at his opponent and leaving an off-balance sculpture behind. Chisel and then hammer them to dust. For instance, after the crime bill and superpredators remark, return to the 47 years point, and mention the Platinum Plan for African-Americans. Mention how AAs want more police in their areas and that he's a fool for ever suggesting that he'd want to change that. The Hunter talk too, should have went into how he made fortunes in countries that took the jobs of struggling Americans during the Obama administration, which can go into African Americans losing those jobs to those countries just because Joe wants to make a buck. And from there, Trump could retort that bs "Park Avenue vs. Scranton" bit: "You call me out for only helping the rich become richer, sounds like that's personal experience; you did that once you got into power. And Americans suffered while made the pocket change they deserve!" I would have also loved for him to hit on the 2nd amendment: "Gun sales went up bigly this summer for both sides of politics. After what people had to see and experience that season, you want to hire this eager and stupid guy, Beto O'Rourke, to take their guns away?" And add on to the cronyism: "You and your pals will have private security, while common folks can't even protect themselves or their families! Even worse, they probably won't be able to call an officer to help!"

All in all, Biden's camp is full of fools if they make him go out there again. Hopefully Trump is just testing the waters with what he pulled yesterday and continue to call out the media for obviously helping Biden.

For Biden, he can make the most out of COVID, the environment, and our declining civility. However, he's Biden and he can barely muster the wherewithal to even accomplish this. Looking and pleading to viewers just vote for him while he's being attacked, showing desperation and weakness. Plus, he's within the range of a 6'3" orange gorilla who loves to beat his chest and chimp out better than the rest them.

For Trump, the economy (in the general sense and for the people), law and order, draining the swamp (his main drain that he forgot this debate), and civility domestically (CRT, BLM, Antifa, leftist institutions, like colleges), as well as internationally (no new wars, peace deals; peace prize nominations, calm relations with other superpowers and hostile nations) are solid talking points that more people need to hear. And on peace, it's a point to say "Why isn't Trump making peace here? It's chaotic!" like college kids who politics are hereditary and / or sentimental, but you sound like an asshole, and with enough push and spin, you sound almost nationalistic (My nation matters more! Forget about the world's issues!) in doing so.

Overall, the "same and rational, non-KF viewers" want more decorum from a president which neither showed, but can take in that Trump is more action-oriented and Biden, while feeble, is more society-oriented. But in times like this, the former is more desired, regardless of who it's coming from. Biden should mention that old debates, while heated, were intellectual and intelligible, whereas Trump drops some red/blackpills: "Everybody can't be a perfect, nice, and mannerly gent / lady. I'm an asshole, but one who gets results." There's a case for Trump still with all his publicity, whereas you could barely write a page about Biden, with how hidden his talks are.

I'd make the argument the all of the memoryholing is boon and a bane for both. Bane for Trump because you'll run the narrative that he is bad forever, but boon once you try searching for it; you'll be surprised, unless you're TDS'd to think everything is a lie, and you'll contemptuous towards the MSM. Boon for Biden because Biden is good all the time, and all the time, Biden is good, but bane in the fact that once you know what's up with him, and see that it's not being addressed, you'll start wondering, and the narrative breaks.

Trump acts like a human woodchipper on max settings and autopilot, while Biden seems like he can barely to snap a twig, much less lift it up. Lots of room for improvement on both sides though.

tl;dr: Sperging from a Trump manlet cultist™, and yes nigga, you weren't going to read all this shit.

Spoiler: A Time for Calming

TDS, TES, the Thunderdome, and doomer threads in DT exist. Stop sperging out and dooming out. Calm down and laugh, or go back to Reddit. The candidates are no Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan, or Nixon, but they do make for good humor. So sit back, relax, laugh, and enjoy the 'tism. And besides, we're totally cracking Commie skulls when the day comes.

 

[It's HK-47]

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311278369296719872

https://archive.is/aiE9x

... Really? No one thought it was embarrassing to post this on Joe's account?

 

[Spooky Bones]

As I was getting coffee I overheard some normie types talking about the debate. They were super unhappy with both candidates "acting like little kids and telling one another to shut up." IMO this is going to be a common reaction, and the best thing for Trump is that this could depress voter turnout, I think that's a very real possibility. Not so much in the sense that "Biden said shut up so I won't vote for him" but that the debates will reinforce a "pox on both your houses" stance that very many undecided types who are semi-engaged in politics have.

 

[Andrew Neiman]

The fact that otherwise reasonable people can look at Donald Trump and see something other than a whiny, blustering manchild is some kind of unholy miracle. 100 years from now, psychologists and historians will write books vainly attempting to explain what's going on in people's heads right now.

 

[frozenrunner]

View attachment 1632176

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311278369296719872

https://archive.md/aiE9x

... Really? No one thought it was embarrassing to post this on Joe's account?

They have been trying to mimic Trump's brash style since he won... while also claiming decorum is super-important in politics.

You know the drill. If they didn't have double standards they wouldn't have any standards.

The fact that otherwise reasonable people can look at Donald Trump and see something other than a whiny, blustering manchild is some kind of unholy miracle. 100 years from now, psychologists and historians will write books vainly attempting to explain what's going on in people's heads right now.

Fuck politeness. I care about policies, and the Democrats have shifted the Overton window so far they've lost their fucking minds.

 

[TFT-A9]

Uhh... Bidenchads?
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https://mobile.twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1311179736253562881

Apologies for unironically linking James Woods but this is really suspect.

in the replies: "that's a pen you nitwit"

No it's not. I've never seen a pen less than fucking 3mm wide, and that isn't even the correct side of his shirt (any pocket a pen would be in would be on left breast of the shirt) and that assumes he's even wearing a shirt with a pocket (if his coat doesn't have a pocket, his shirt shouldn't)

 

[Ruin]

View attachment 1632176

https://twitter.com/JoeBiden/status/1311278369296719872

https://archive.md/aiE9x

... Really? No one thought it was embarrassing to post this on Joe's account?

I'll give them some slight credit in that that's a moderately better leftist meme than the usual "lmao bottom text"

 

[OnlyFacingRear]

The Proud Boys started out as a joke from Gavin McGinnis. You know, the guy that co-founded Vice?

FFS one of their initiation rights is to be jumped in until you name off five breakfast cereals. They have never taken themselves that seriously.

Here is the Proud Boy theme song from a few years back. It gets stuck in my head every time I fucking hear it.

 

[An Avenging Bird]

After watching Biden for years bully people with that smug fake tough guy act of his, it was immensely satisfying to see the President whip him like an insolent red headed step child.

 

[CivilianOfTheFandomWars]

I see a lot of older people deriding Trump for his ‘unprofessional’ conduct, and I think they don’t understand that there are now a bunch of people who grew up post 9/11 who can vote now.
These kids, they are fucking angry. Their entire lives have been spent watching their future get more and more bleak because of established politicians like Biden’s camp. They have watched their quality of life steadily decrease year by year, because of these politicians.
The mere fact that the choice is between two old people just makes it worse for these new voters. And the anger manifests in various way, some blame the right some blame the left and some blame everyone.
But these kids, they don’t want someone who doesn’t seem to understand their anger. Biden clearly doesn’t understand why people would be angry at him, and Trump can milk that anger towards the establishment.

 

[TFT-A9]

I see a lot of older people deriding Trump for his ‘unprofessional’ conduct, and I think they don’t understand that there are now a bunch of people who grew up post 9/11 who can vote now.
These kids, they are fucking angry. Their entire lives have been spent watching their future get more and more bleak because of established politicians like Biden’s camp. They have watched their quality of life steadily decrease year by year, because of these politicians.
The mere fact that the choice is between two old people just makes it worse for these new voters. And the anger manifests in various way, some blame the right some blame the left and some blame everyone.
But these kids, they don’t want someone who doesn’t seem to understand their anger. Biden clearly doesn’t understand why people would be angry at him, and Trump can milk that anger towards the establishment.

It's fucking working. I see a Democratic party that didn't just abandon the ideals that drew me to them in the first place, they ACTIVELY EXCLUDED me and proceeded to fuck me over on some of the things I considered most important. I see an establishment full of corrupt bumblefucks on both sides, except one of them purported to be explicitly on MY SIDE and traitors get bullets first. I see a party that's grown way too big for its britches and doesn't really like when you point that out. Me voting for Trump the first time was an "enemy of my enemy" situation, but now I'll admit that I've succumbed to a sort of sadism leveled against the Dems and the establishment in particular and occasionally Trump indulges that sadism. I want you fucking capitol critters to suffer, because even idiots will occasionally recognize that suffering happens for a reason.

Get your shit together or don't, at this point it almost matters less to me than watching you squirm and scream.

 

[captkrisma]

Here is the Proud Boy theme song from a few years back. It gets stuck in my head every time I fucking hear it.

I thought their theme song was a song cut from the cartoon version of Aladdin that Gavin thought was the shittiest song on the planet.

 

[cantankerous jackalope]

The fact that otherwise reasonable people can look at Donald Trump and see something other than a whiny, blustering manchild is some kind of unholy miracle. 100 years from now, psychologists and historians will write books vainly attempting to explain what's going on in people's heads right now.

I think people are just fed up with the system and see trump as one of the only means to peacefully attempt to protest it and “gum up the works” so to speak, that’s a huge reason why I voted for him in 2016.