2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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I wish more states would give out party registration data. It'd be helpful to how much Minnesota is trending to the right because based on this, it's going to be a closer race than I thought.

I suspect Trump will make gains in rural Minnesota and flip all Iron Range counties except maybe Cook County (which could go either way). Unfortunately, Trump is having issues with keeping suburban voters so he needs to make gains within the Democratic Machine counties of Ramsey and Hennepin County. Thanks to the riots damaging Minneapolis and to a lesser extent, St. Paul's economy, he has a great opportunity to flip voters and there are signs he is already doing that. They won't be red counties, but if he can make them a lighter shade of blue due to depressed turnout for Biden and increased turnout for himself, he can eek out the state by less than 2%.


What's interesting about Pennsylvania is that even in 2004 when the Democrats had a slightly higher share of registered voters than in 2000 that Bush was closer to grabbing it in his re-election campaign. My question is, how did Bush close that gap albeit not win it? Other than that, registration trends have favored if the state became more Democratic or Republican and Trump has the advantage of the most enthusiastic and loyal base since possibly Ronald Reagan. I would have liked to see him pay more attention to Bucks County too, that's a potential flip for Trump. I'm shocked Lackawanna County is a potential flip for Trump TBH. Are Democrats there just not enthused at all about Clinton or Biden?

If Barrett gets confirmed to succeed Ginsburg and Trump can push a successful narrative regarding his fight with COVID-19 (and not face life-threatening complications), then Trump's chances of keeping Pennsylvania skyrockets. Voter registration trends indicate that Trump will win the state by 1-2%, possibly 3% on a really good night. Barrett would rule in favor of Trump in the event of a contested election, giving us a 5-4 majority. The only way that Biden can win Pennsylvania under that circumstance is if he gets a much more enthusiastic turnout among Democrats and that's a hard sell. If Trump can win Pennsylvania by a larger margin, we might be looking at Pennsylvania turning light red.

As for Wisconsin and Michigan, not too much to say. I believe Wisconsin is more competitive than what Baris suspects but can easily see it going either way. Wayne and Macomb County are looking better for Trump, but Biden nostalgia is stronger there than in other Rust Belt states due to the bail out. I'm not sure he can offset enough of the losses in suburban voters to keep the state but if he's trending 15-20% among blacks, he could keep it by razor thing margin.

I'd like to see data in Nevada from 2016 to 2020, not just last year. If Democratic registration trend indicates it's turning blue, then even without voting fraud, it's probably going to stay blue for the foreseeable future. New Mexico might be worth paying attention too though. It won't flip, but if it's trending Republicans, we might see a consequential shift towards the right. 60.3% of the population as of 2019 (archive) are either Hispanic or Native American and we are seeing Trump losing white support, so a rightward shift would have to come from either populations. New Mexico also has a very old population of Hispanics and unlike Arizona, made practically no gains this decade, so even with a Mexican American population, it's a perfect example to show if non-immigrant Hispanics are trending red in voting patterns or not.


Virginia is a light blue state turning solid blue because of the culture, not because of higher nonwhite population. Unless Trump makes unexpected gains in the suburbs and does better in black support than we think, Virginia is gone for good. It's also why Colorado is solid blue state for the foreseeable future.

Good to know about Georgia performing so well in registration. I'm filing Georgia under Solid Trump for now, especially given its very conservative white population. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Trump made gains in the state.

At this point, I give the following ratings for my predictions:

PA - 65/35 Trump. Just way too many things going in his favor. Regiatration, 20% of the black vote and juicing WWC turnout is a big deal. May be enough to offset fraud.

MN - 50/50
I think the riots/Iron Range juiced are going to extremely important. I just want more concrete info since polling is dogshit.

WI- who knows, maybe 55/45 Biden? It is an R+5 state with a lot going for it including Kenosha and to a lesser extent Madison, but they choose late. We will not know until the week of the election.

MI- 70/30 Biden because Whitmer and Detroit. Trump can pull it off, but it would require Detroit turnout to collapse further (which might happen).

AZ - 80/20% Trump. Its not gone yet due to Maricopa still R+5. Outside of Pheonix it will trend R. I believe it would take historic turnout/high crossover vote to flip it, which is unlikely due to Trump's high approval in the R party and Biden being a shit candidate (especially with Latinos). More worried about McSally's race because she is shit.

Doublepost, but relevant. By the way, I do think this Coof diagnosis is like rocket fuel for Trump's base.

Look at this shit in Blue states and areas:



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Meanwhile this is Biden's enthusiasm in one picture.
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I have never seen anything like this before. It reminds me of charging the Spirit Bomb in DBZ with everyone coming together and raising their hands. Autistic, but the point still stands that this is causing the base to go insane with support. More support than I even recall Obama with in 2008.
 
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I wish more states would give out party registration data. It'd be helpful to how much Minnesota is trending to the right because based on this, it's going to be a closer race than I thought.

I suspect Trump will make gains in rural Minnesota and flip all Iron Range counties except maybe Cook County (which could go either way). Unfortunately, Trump is having issues with keeping suburban voters so he needs to make gains within the Democratic Machine counties of Ramsey and Hennepin County. Thanks to the riots damaging Minneapolis and to a lesser extent, St. Paul's economy, he has a great opportunity to flip voters and there are signs he is already doing that. They won't be red counties, but if he can make them a lighter shade of blue due to depressed turnout for Biden and increased turnout for himself, he can eek out the state by less than 2%.

What's interesting about Pennsylvania is that even in 2004 when the Democrats had a slightly higher share of registered voters than in 2000 that Bush was closer to grabbing it in his re-election campaign. My question is, how did Bush close that gap albeit not win it? Other than that, registration trends have favored if the state became more Democratic or Republican and Trump has the advantage of the most enthusiastic and loyal base since possibly Ronald Reagan. I would have liked to see him pay more attention to Bucks County too, that's a potential flip for Trump. I'm shocked Lackawanna County is a potential flip for Trump TBH. Are Democrats there just not enthused at all about Clinton or Biden?

If Barrett gets confirmed to succeed Ginsburg and Trump can push a successful narrative regarding his fight with COVID-19 (and not face life-threatening complications), then Trump's chances of keeping Pennsylvania skyrockets. Voter registration trends indicate that Trump will win the state by 1-2%, possibly 3% on a really good night. Barrett would rule in favor of Trump in the event of a contested election, giving us a 5-4 majority. The only way that Biden can win Pennsylvania under that circumstance is if he gets a much more enthusiastic turnout among Democrats and that's a hard sell. If Trump can win Pennsylvania by a larger margin, we might be looking at Pennsylvania turning light red.

As for Wisconsin and Michigan, not too much to say. I believe Wisconsin is more competitive than what Baris suspects but can easily see it going either way. Wayne and Macomb County are looking better for Trump, but Biden nostalgia is stronger there than in other Rust Belt states due to the bail out. I'm not sure he can offset enough of the losses in suburban voters to keep the state but if he's trending 15-20% among blacks, he could keep it by razor thing margin.

I'd like to see data in Nevada from 2016 to 2020, not just last year. If Democratic registration trend indicates it's turning blue, then even without voting fraud, it's probably going to stay blue for the foreseeable future. New Mexico might be worth paying attention too though. It won't flip, but if it's trending Republicans, we might see a consequential shift towards the right. 60.3% of the population as of 2019 (archive) are either Hispanic or Native American and we are seeing Trump losing white support, so a rightward shift would have to come from either populations. New Mexico also has a very old population of Hispanics and unlike Arizona, made practically no gains this decade, so even with a Mexican American population, it's a perfect example to show if non-immigrant Hispanics are trending red in voting patterns or not.

Virginia is a light blue state turning solid blue because of the culture, not because of higher nonwhite population. Unless Trump makes unexpected gains in the suburbs and does better in black support than we think, Virginia is gone for good. It's also why Colorado is solid blue state for the foreseeable future.

Good to know about Georgia performing so well in registration. I'm filing Georgia under Solid Trump for now, especially given its very conservative white population. In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if Trump made gains in the state.

Regarding Texas, we will have to see what happens with 2020. Trump is going to receive at least around 40% of the Hispanic vote in the state with second largest share of Hispanics but people are also saying it's subjected to Californication. Hopefully Trump can get back to around 10% above Biden in Texas this election but if it makes a significant shift to the left, then that points squarely to the population becoming more liberal.

I hope that Texas doesn't flip this decade, but it might if 2020 only has Trump winning by a hair-raising margin.
At this point, I give the following ratings for my predictions:

PA - 65/35 Trump. Just way too many things going in his favor. Regiatration, 20% of the black vote and juicing WWC turnout is a big deal. May be enough to offset fraud.

MN - 50/50
I think the riots/Iron Range juiced are going to extremely important. I just want more concrete info since polling is dogshit.

WI- who knows, maybe 55/45 Biden? It is an R+5 state with a lot going for it including Kenosha and to a lesser extent Madison, but they choose late. We will not know until the week of the election.

MI- 70/30 Biden because Whitmer and Detroit. Trump can pull it off, but it would require Detroit turnout to collapse further (which might happen).

AZ - 80/20% Trump. Its not gone yet due to Maricopa still R+5. Outside of Pheonix it will trend R. I believe it would take historic turnout/high crossover vote to flip it, which is unlikely due to Trump's high approval in the R party and Biden being a shit candidate (especially with Latinos). More worried about McSally's race because she is shit.
Here's a pretty shit map I cooked up (Nate Beryllium-tier tbh):
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I'm kinda of feeling that Florida is more likely than leaning, the same applies to North Carolina. However, their statuses are unknown to me. After those two, the chance that I see for Trump victory will depend on him winning Pennsylvania and Arizona... well, mostly Pennsylvania. Minnesota and a hopeful Wisconsin will be a good bonus. Regardless, this is probably a crappy map.

If Barrett gets confirmed, Trump goes buck wild in rallies after recovering, and he soundly and overwhelmingly defeats Biden in one last debate, I'm optimistic that Trump will get that 300+ (320 at most tbh). Anything's possible though.
 
At this point, I give the following ratings for my predictions:

PA - 65/35 Trump. Just way too many things going in his favor. Regiatration, 20% of the black vote and juicing WWC turnout is a big deal. May be enough to offset fraud.

MN - 50/50
I think the riots/Iron Range juiced are going to extremely important. I just want more concrete info since polling is dogshit.

WI- who knows, maybe 55/45 Biden? It is an R+5 state with a lot going for it including Kenosha and to a lesser extent Madison, but they choose late. We will not know until the week of the election.

MI- 70/30 Biden because Whitmer and Detroit. Trump can pull it off, but it would require Detroit turnout to collapse further (which might happen).

AZ - 80/20% Trump. Its not gone yet due to Maricopa still R+5. Outside of Pheonix it will trend R. I believe it would take historic turnout/high crossover vote to flip it, which is unlikely due to Trump's high approval in the R party and Biden being a shit candidate (especially with Latinos). More worried about McSally's race because she is shit.
How did he win Michigan in 2016 then, also Bernie won that state in 2016 as well. For 2020, I believe Bernie lost it to Biden because of the Idpol and abandoning many key positions that made him popular against Hillary in 2016 like suddenly embracing open borders and helping illegal aliens with free healthcare and abandoning the defense of the 2nd amendment.
 
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How did he win Michigan in 2016 then?
Hillary never cared to visit it. IIRC, she, or rather Bill, went there very late in race in order to secure it.

Speaking of Michigan, Trump could win if he makes the promise clean up Flint. Someone has to do it eventually, and it would be better long-term if it's done sooner rather later.
 
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Hillary never cared to visit it. IIRC, she, or rather Bill, went there very late in race in order to secure it.

Speaking of Michigan, Trump could win if he makes the promise clean up Flint. Someone has to do it eventually, and it would be better long-term if it's done sooner rather later.

Trump can't make that promise, because it's ultimately up to state authorities who would gladly pull a Puerto Rico to try and make him look bad.
 
Trump can't make that promise, because it's ultimately up to state authorities who would gladly pull a Puerto Rico to try and make him look bad.
Michigan has its state legislature controlled by the GOP so it might go to Trump.

It's really White America deciding this election ultimately as California is basically a non factor who only role is counting up the popular vote for Biden as it did for Hillary in 2016. On election night Trump was leading in the popular vote before California counted its voted fully up.
 
How did he win Michigan in 2016 then, also Bernie won that state in 2016 as well. For 2020, I believe Bernie lost it to Biden because of the Idpol and abandoning many key positions that made him popular against Hillary in 2016 like suddenly embracing open borders and helping illegal aliens with free healthcare and abandoning the defense of the 2nd amendment.
I can give you the answer in one photo, Hillary never learned to shut her half rotted mouth:
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Yeah pretty much, like while he does speak social conservative talking points, it's obviously just keeping the conservative purists in line as Trump seems to care more about the economy and foreign policy more than anything else (especially when his best accomplishments are in those two fields in particular)
A pretty apt description.

Usually, it's like an off-hand comment at his rallies like "you guys like religion" or whatever and he doesn't really elaborate further than that. It's pretty much pandering in that fashion.

Here's a pretty shit map I cooked up (Nate Beryllium-tier tbh):
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I'm kinda of feeling that Florida is more likely than leaning, the same applies to North Carolina. However, their statuses are unknown to me. After those two, the chance that I see for Trump victory will depend on him winning Pennsylvania and Arizona... well, mostly Pennsylvania. Minnesota and a hopeful Wisconsin will be a good bonus. Regardless, this is probably a crappy map.

If Barrett gets confirmed, Trump goes buck wild in rallies after recovering, and he soundly and overwhelmingly defeats Biden in one last debate, I'm optimistic that Trump will get that 300+ (320 at most tbh). Anything's possible though.
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Ummmm..you're saying he WINS Minnesota (primarily blue state, although it is highly possible that they will flip), yet somehow loses both Michigan and Wisconsin? Wtf?
 
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Ummmm..you're saying he WINS Minnesota (primarily blue state, although it is highly possible that they will flip), yet somehow loses both Michigan and Wisconsin? Wtf?
I told you it was a Nate Silver tier map, Double P. Full of things you should never do, aka assume.
 
A pretty apt description.

Usually, it's like an off-hand comment at his rallies like "you guys like religion" or whatever and he doesn't really elaborate further than that. It's pretty much pandering in that fashion.
The GOP has become a big tent party as many of those people at Trump rallies voted for Obama twice. And apparently not voting for Hillary means they ate the new KKK and racists for not choosing the white woman. Also I just realized how I hate generally hate upper middle class niggers than their ghetto counterparts. At least the ghetto nigger only cares about gibs and hates all peckerwoods.
 
AZ - 80/20% Trump. Its not gone yet due to Maricopa still R+5. Outside of Pheonix it will trend R.

Maricopa's gonna be a close one, it looks like, but I wanna keep an eye on Coconino county. That typically goes blue 'cause of Flagstaff, but there's also a lot of Indian reservations in the county (same with Apache, which also goes blue). That's why I found it fascinating the RNC talked about the Navajo code talkers quite a bit, I think Trump is trying to aim for the Indian vote, or at least get some of them. It could become pink this year if his efforts weren't in vain.
 
The GOP has become a big tent party as many of those people at Trump rallies voted for Obama twice. And apparently not voting for Hillary means they ate the new KKK and racists for not choosing the white woman. Also I just realized how I hate generally hate upper middle class niggers than their ghetto counterparts. At least the ghetto nigger only cares about gibs and hates all peckerwoods.
Rich black people I can at least understand, lest they turn into joggers by way of Waters, Cummings, and Clyburn. Vernon Jones is best example I see possible of a true black Democrat, in both prefix and suffix.

Poor black usually can't stand each other, and are obviously not aristo-"crats." Yet gibs put them in that party. Totally asinine.

Middle class blacks are the most :cringe: of all. We're making something out of ourselves, not through gibs but hard work, but still voting blue. My own mother fits this description. Somewhat conservative, but a total Vote Blue No Matter Who type.

It's strange.
 
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The GOP has become a big tent party as many of those people at Trump rallies voted for Obama twice. And apparently not voting for Hillary means they ate the new KKK and racists for not choosing the white woman. Also I just realized how I hate generally hate upper middle class niggers than their ghetto counterparts. At least the ghetto nigger only cares about gibs and hates all peckerwoods.
The housenigger is the most contemptible of all God's creatures.
 
Middle class blacks are the most :cringe: of all. We're making something out of ourselves, not through gibs but hard work, but still voting blue. My own mother fits this description. Somewhat conservative, but a total Vote Blue No Matter Who type.

It's strange.
What's the reason in your opinion?
 
MI- 70/30 Biden because Whitmer and Detroit. Trump can pull it off, but it would require Detroit turnout to collapse further (which might happen).
The Michigan Supreme Court (4-3 Republican) just stripped Whitmer of her emergency COVID authority, and Governor Whitmer proceeded to say on CNN that: "Michiganders have an opportunity to weigh in on our Supreme Court on this Nov. 3 ballot," and "I'm hoping they elect (Bridget) McCormack and (Elizabeth) Welch because we've got to have justices who do the right thing and follow the rule of law."

How much of this election is going to be a de facto referendum on masks and other COVID mandates?
 
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Doublepost, but relevant. By the way, I do think this Coof diagnosis is like rocket fuel for Trump's base.

Look at this shit in Blue states and areas:




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Meanwhile this is Biden's enthusiasm in one picture.
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I have never seen anything like this before. It reminds me of charging the Spirit Bomb in DBZ with everyone coming together and raising their hands. Autistic, but the point still stands that this is causing the base to go insane with support. More support than I even recall Obama with in 2008.

Man, it looks like people are having fun out there. Even tho I fucking hate Cali with a passion, it does look very cozy like that
 
Is there a candidate they could have ran that would have boosted their chances better than Biden-Harris? Contrary to most, I actually think having Kamala as Veep is much much better than having her lead. Voters like the idea of a black woman president, but would undoubtedly reject Kamala once she gets subjected to appropriate scrutiny.
In any case, Joe sure as shit isn't helping their prospects, but from the breakdown of most counties-- including Penn and Wisconsin, the trends seem to be occurring completely independent of whatever the hell Joe is talking about on the campaign trail.
If the Dems lose they're gonna write it all off as Biden being a weak candidate. They won't do any introspection on the fundamental flaws of their policy platform, just like in 2016. But if they had meant to win, right from the very start, and made that decision before anybody even heard of Wuhan, China or Saint George... who would they run? And what would the WINNING sales pitch be? Because its clear for the last 5 years that Trump Brand campaigning is absolute kryptonite to conventional Washington Consensus candidates.
 
Where can I sign up to keep informed about the Joe Biden campaign? Sometimes I see on Twitter accounts that post "Biden has put a lid on the campaign today at 9:51 AM" and such, but I want to go to the source of that?

Even his fucking website is low energy. Looks like someone running for a position in a local government. You have to scroll all the way to the bottom for a link to Events and then you get this shitty page: https://bidenpresident.com/Event

I can't sign up to those events, I want to see one of those virtual ones but I don't live in the U.S. and my phone number doesn't work.
 
A few days late, since everything got sidetracked by big news stories, but: on Sept 28th Trump did a photo op with a new truck.

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It turned out much better than Biden's pathetic UAW factory visit, by the simple criteria that he got to actually look inside the truck and brag about it to the American people.

It got zero press attention, of course, but I found the contrast interesting. Especially with the framing of the pictures they released above, compared with Joe's shuffling through a socially distanced parking lot where the vehicles were pushed to the back. The company is probably going to use that last shot (without the boom mics) as a publicity photo, framed in their office and on their pamphlets.
 
Is there a candidate they could have ran that would have boosted their chances better than Biden-Harris? Contrary to most, I actually think having Kamala as Veep is much much better than having her lead. Voters like the idea of a black woman president, but would undoubtedly reject Kamala once she gets subjected to appropriate scrutiny.
In any case, Joe sure as shit isn't helping their prospects, but from the breakdown of most counties-- including Penn and Wisconsin, the trends seem to be occurring completely independent of whatever the hell Joe is talking about on the campaign trail.
If the Dems lose they're gonna write it all off as Biden being a weak candidate. They won't do any introspection on the fundamental flaws of their policy platform, just like in 2016. But if they had meant to win, right from the very start, and made that decision before anybody even heard of Wuhan, China or Saint George... who would they run? And what would the WINNING sales pitch be? Because its clear for the last 5 years that Trump Brand campaigning is absolute kryptonite to conventional Washington Consensus candidates.
The latest one I'm hearing is Buttigieg-Harris, and there are definitely times I think Buttigieg would be doing a lot better than Biden. Problem for the Dems is no one seized on him after Iowa or any of the other candidates and they all just coalesced around Biden. Even Bernie's supposed huge grassroots support never translated into actual votes. I just don't think 2020 was originally going to be the Dems' year, they had no one that could've taken on the juggernaut of Trump before 2020 started flipping everything on its head.
 
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