Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

Why even do the "High Republic"? Why does it have that name? You have thousands of years to work with and you choose 200 years before TPM? It's so silly and confining. The creative decision to limit yourself in that particular way is inexplicable. You can't even use Yoda as an anchor for the audience to follow as he matures into who we meet later seeing as he is 600-700 years old already? So it's just new characters(which is fine as an idea but considering who is writing they will be shit) encountering forces which simultaneously cannot be the Sith(unless they break canon which would be one of the more retarded things Disney has done) but kind of have to be Sith related due to time constraints. Why choose to tell a story with such a tiny window of successful execution?
Because they want to pretend that the years immediately preceding TPM weren't years of decline. They want to rewrite history to frame republicanism as something other than the midwife of degeneracy.

The mommy issues faggots on Reddit made a thread trying to explain why Star Wars toy sales are down. They hit on every possible explanation except the obvious, which is that the sequel trilogy is boring and ugly as shit. Typical.

The big explanation they came up with is that toy sales everywhere are down. They didn't mention that toy sales fell by like 4-5% in 2019, whereas Star Wars toy sales completely tanked. The toy industry decline isn’t enough to explain Star Wars’ failure, but Star Wars’ failure certainly is big enough to explain the larger toy industry decline. Every other franchise could have grown by 4-5% and Star Wars’ failure could still have made up the difference, easily.
 
I have to wonder if the writers really have enough of an engaging plotline to last multiple years. Somehow, I don't see Jedi Treasure Hunts and fights with Space Vikings having a lot of narrative longevity...this isn't exactly NJO, where the writers were detailing the next big conflict in the Star Wars Universe and centering the plot around a giant mystery concerning the enemy faction.

This is probably going to be the writers spinning their wheels and dropping eye-rolling world-building Easter Eggs in place of a real story...in fact, since Charles Soule is involved, that's almost exactly what this is going to be. His Darth Vader comics are just literally that, with a dash of cringe-inducing anime melodrama.

Anime usually has better plots than the crap they put out nowadays. Plus, times of peace are rarely what people want to see in Star WARS. I mean, the stuff we usually get comes in times of war, and in the Republic's long 25,000-year history, war was kind of rare. There's the stereotype that the Sith have always been their enemy, but the Sith only invaded the Republic when the latter was 20,000 years old. How many centuries-how many MILLENNIA, came and went without a major galactic war? At least a dozen, perhaps more. And we barely hear about them because this series isn't called Star Peace, it's called STAR WARS.

They'll probably try to justify everything from Exogol to the stupid dice thing from the Sequels, and they'll probably pull plot twists for shock value like they do in the Vader comics.

Why even do the "High Republic"? Why does it have that name? You have thousands of years to work with and you choose 200 years before TPM? It's so silly and confining. The creative decision to limit yourself in that particular way is inexplicable. You can't even use Yoda as an anchor for the audience to follow as he matures into who we meet later seeing as he is 600-700 years old already? So it's just new characters(which is fine as an idea but considering who is writing they will be shit) encountering forces which simultaneously cannot be the Sith(unless they break canon which would be one of the more retarded things Disney has done) but kind of have to be Sith related due to time constraints. Why choose to tell a story with such a tiny window of successful execution?

Because they want familiarity. It's not like the KOTOR era where you actually have to create conflicts on your own like the Jedi Civil War, the Mandalorian Wars, the Dark Wars, etc., they want a time period where they can control the story. Unless they bump into the Rule of Two Sith, or at least goons of said Sith duo, they cannot have Sith around. Unless they're going to go with some breakaway Sith clan that may get wiped out in the course of the story, which, would depend on how it's executed to show its plausibility.

I really hate the British accent=evil trope, but there was something magical about all the professional Imperial Navy officers being more English than the Royal Navy.
I'm saying this because I fucking hate how the Empire, which according to one of the Rogue One writer dipshits is a white supremacist organization, is now a melting pot that looks ridiculous.
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Ah whatever. The consoomers can keep Squadrons, I already own TIE Fighter and it's still as good today as it was 26 years ago.

It's funny, really. Wasn't the Empire formerly a chauvinist organization as well? When you find a woman leading them, she really had to prove herself, the way Thrawn had to prove himself because he was an alien in a human-supremacist empire. Now they put in women all over the place, which is kinda funny-Disney canon portrays the Empire as the bad guys, and they want to make the bad guys look progressive and feminist?

Because they want to pretend that the years immediately preceding TPM weren't years of decline. They want to rewrite history to frame republicanism as something other than the midwife of degeneracy.

The mommy issues faggots on Reddit made a thread trying to explain why Star Wars toy sales are down. They hit on every possible explanation except the obvious, which is that the sequel trilogy is boring and ugly as shit. Typical.

The big explanation they came up with is that toy sales everywhere are down. They didn't mention that toy sales fell by like 4-5% in 2019, whereas Star Wars toy sales completely tanked. The toy industry decline isn’t enough to explain Star Wars’ failure, but Star Wars’ failure certainly is big enough to explain the larger toy industry decline. Every other franchise could have grown by 4-5% and Star Wars’ failure could still have made up the difference, easily.
They'll probably depict the Republic as an SJW paradise, and that the Jedi were at their best defending that paradise of social justice and diversity. Even though at most, in the Prequel films and Expanded Universe stuff prior to the Clone Wars, it was a capitalist/libertarian/commercial republic more akin to Venice which heavily relied on trade routes and big corporations like the Czerka Corporation and the Trade Federation to make the big bucks. The Republic that Lucas created would have a bigger hatred for Communism than we ever did. Their guardians of peace and justice are a bunch of religious monks, corporations have representation on the Senate, and their country's lifeblood runs on capitalism. Maybe High Republic will try to undo that and portray the Republic as some kind of socialist utopia.

Toy sales aren't down by much. Whenever I see toys of good quality, they have a tendency to disappear quickly as collectors and children pick apart the aisles. It's just that SW toy sales are down because the people who usually buy that stuff were alienated by all of Disney's chest-thumping about how they don't need male fans anymore. Which ironically bit them in the ass since these guys usually spend the most on toys.

I think they went with the British accent thing because most of the cast *was* English, iirc. I think I remember Lucas having an explanation about it but it's been so long that I've forgot. Besides, the accent sounds very haughty and that's the personality most Imperial officers and higher social ranking citizens had.

There was also the very American slant the Rebels have as part of their character, and portraying their enemies as British-speakers not only likens said empire to the wealthy and the powerful, but it also brings callbacks to the American Revolution: a bunch of plucky guerillas being the heroes fighting against an empire dominated by guys with posh British accents: that's as patriotically American as you can get back in those days. That, and the Rebels were as American as a double-cheeseburger with bacon and a side order of fries and Coca-Cola: you have the farm-boy hick who would be at home in the American farmlands, the cowboy who would be at home in the old west, the socialite princess who would be at home in 1920s New York, and most Rebel soldiers walk, talk, and act like American troops, not to mention their propaganda was all about the fight for freedom. Having guys like that going up against a wealthy, powerful empire with a large navy whose officers all speak in posh British accents is basically a repast of the American Revolution. It gets even funnier with the British Royal Band played the Imperial March, as if they recognized that they were part of the inspiration for the Empire that Lucas created for his films.
 
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You know, Disney could have gone with this era of the Republic: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Pius_Dea_Crusades

Apparently about 12,000 years before episode 4, the Republic went full 40k (they literally use cathedral spaceships!) and started genociding alien species on the rim worlds.

Wouldn't Disney be all over this shit? A democratic institution gets taken over by religious xenophobes and only a diverse group of people can stop them. It fits their worldview to a tee. The only thing that stops this is their lack of knowledge about Star Wars and that time period being too far away to connect to the films.
 
Haram! The Alliance to Restore the Republic is a movement of peace! - Mon Mothma
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Yes, this was one of the first designs for Mon Mothma.

You know, Disney could have gone with this era of the Republic: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Pius_Dea_Crusades

Apparently about 12,000 years before episode 4, the Republic went full 40k (they literally use cathedral spaceships!) and started genociding alien species on the rim worlds.

Wouldn't Disney be all over this shit? A democratic institution gets taken over by religious xenophobes and only a diverse group of people can stop them. It fits their worldview to a tee. The only thing that stops this is their lack of knowledge about Star Wars and that time period being too far away to connect to the films.
The Pius Dea era was some based lore.
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Cathedral ships bringing purifying fury down upon impure xenos and the filthy Hutts. While the majority of regular aliens didn't deserve this, for Hutts it was kind of karmic in a way considering these assholes ruled the galaxy and went on their own chosen wars several centuries before, including against humans, enslaving or killing any who they came across. Honestly it would probably be more up Disney's alley, especially when considering their hatred of aliens, but like you said, these Disney fuckers don't know squat, and even less about scifi or fantasy material to copy from. And even if they did adapt it, I'm sure they wouldn't even have a competent writer and would even remove the villainous "goddess" responsible for this since the "Force is Female" and we can't have a female villain cause so much misery for no reason. Yes, the Pius Dea cult was part of a grand plan by a wicked 'Goddess' who, if you've read SW's Cult Encounters or my shitposts covering it, should feel familiar.
 
(((Hutts)))
Wait... Hutta is the Huttese word for Jewel. Remove the 'a' and you got... Wait a minute...

Hutts claim to have ruled the universe from their former ravaged holy world of Varl before being cast down by the jealous gods and migrating to the world of their lesser neighbors the Evocii under the guise of simple merchants.
By the time the Evocii learned the truth, the constructions teams had arrived to begin their work where they tore down the native lodges and monuments to replace them with Hutt structures. What followed was the creation of tacky bathhouses, pleasure palaces, pavilions, Huttian shrines and theme parks, as the various Hutt merchant families sought to outdo one another.
Hutt merchants visited Kintan and intended to seek control of the star system in order to secure a strategic mercantile advantage over competitors. Upon visiting Kintan, the Hutts desired in taking the planet for themselves and forced the natives to acknowledge them as chosen gods.
During the Pius Dea, Hutts were the primary target of the crusades, with regular attacks on Hutt Space and Nal Hutta in an attempted genocide.
Hutts and Toydarians have long held a close history of trade and social ties. This along with their similar brain structure had led to some xenobiologists suggesting a shared ancestry between the two.
What in the-...!!!

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Eechuta! Why are you so anti-kajidic?
Remember the 6 quintillion Pius Dea victims, jeedai.
Nal Hutta belongs to the Hutts! The Evocii have no claim!
Nal Hutta is the Empire's greatest ally!
Choy fa, its another Dea!

Well, now we know the real reason why Disney purged old canon.
 
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The ideal "High Republic" setting should show the Republic being a bunch of lazy decadent people who ignore a crisis in the Outer Rim and send the Jedi to solve it. The Outer Rim is full of cool settings to show in any era of the Star Wars galaxy and we could actually see why there's lines like "The Republic doesn't exist out here" in the Prequels or how everyone in the Outer Rim knows who the Jedi are and has some sort of respect for their power.

It's pretty much the ideal setting for the sort of bullshit like Darth Maul being a crime boss we saw in Solo since what other way does a Sith have for exerting influence and using their power than organized crime in the Outer Rim in the era of the Republic and the height of the Jedi Order? You could have a Sith lord/apprentice involved with some sort of crime group who is raiding planets for slaves or whatever the High Republic is about, except you could have the Jedi never really know for certain if the guy is a Sith or not (and ultimately they decide "it's just some guy posing as a Sith" to keep the PT "the Sith have been extinct for a millennium" line still true) and it be up to the reader to decide. But that takes nuance which we all know Disney doesn't have.
It's funny, really. Wasn't the Empire formerly a chauvinist organization as well? When you find a woman leading them, she really had to prove herself, the way Thrawn had to prove himself because he was an alien in a human-supremacist empire. Now they put in women all over the place, which is kinda funny-Disney canon portrays the Empire as the bad guys, and they want to make the bad guys look progressive and feminist?
They were, but Disney justified it at first that since the First Order was short on manpower, they were more egalitarian in letting women serve in their military. Not a lot of aliens on their ships though but that's the usual lazy writing.
They'll probably depict the Republic as an SJW paradise, and that the Jedi were at their best defending that paradise of social justice and diversity. Even though at most, in the Prequel films and Expanded Universe stuff prior to the Clone Wars, it was a capitalist/libertarian/commercial republic more akin to Venice which heavily relied on trade routes and big corporations like the Czerka Corporation and the Trade Federation to make the big bucks. The Republic that Lucas created would have a bigger hatred for Communism than we ever did. Their guardians of peace and justice are a bunch of religious monks, corporations have representation on the Senate, and their country's lifeblood runs on capitalism. Maybe High Republic will try to undo that and portray the Republic as some kind of socialist utopia.
It isn't hard to portray the end of the Old Republic (as seen in the Prequels) was like what the SJWs (and their corporate globalist overlords) want and view the world as. Corporations have insane influence in the Senate, and these corporations are full of diverse leadership. The military is small and powerless. The average citizen in the Core Worlds is decadent and a consoomer. Many politicians have links to organized crime and worlds where slavery and other oppression is common. Sheev Palpatine is elected on the basis of reform and changing this yet he's a demagogue and establishes a dictatorship (like Orange Man will) and proclaims himself Emperor. The people who oppose both like the Jedi and some Rebel Alliance founders are the real heroes.

Of course, there's many differences (Jedi Masters like Kit Fisto didn't get their place in the Jedi Order by affirmative action for aliens), but a simplistic and deliberately skewed read of Star Wars would let you portray the Old Republic like that.
 
I really hate the British accent=evil trope, but there was something magical about all the professional Imperial Navy officers being more English than the Royal Navy.
I'm saying this because I fucking hate how the Empire, which according to one of the Rogue One writer dipshits is a white supremacist organization, is now a melting pot that looks ridiculous.
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Ah whatever. The consoomers can keep Squadrons, I already own TIE Fighter and it's still as good today as it was 26 years ago.
Yes agreed, I seem to remember the english accent was supposed to be the refined accent of the Imperial Capital and the native born individuals who naturally would become Naval officers. The "diverse" first order looks ridiculous and the monstrosities you have shown from this new game "they/them" pilots and lesbian unknown race officers makes me sick to my stomach, but not surprised in the least.

I am really enjoying what you are posting about the ROTJ designs and creatures, this is great!
 
You know, Disney could have gone with this era of the Republic: https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Pius_Dea_Crusades

Apparently about 12,000 years before episode 4, the Republic went full 40k (they literally use cathedral spaceships!) and started genociding alien species on the rim worlds.

Wouldn't Disney be all over this shit? A democratic institution gets taken over by religious xenophobes and only a diverse group of people can stop them. It fits their worldview to a tee. The only thing that stops this is their lack of knowledge about Star Wars and that time period being too far away to connect to the films.
Here's the thing though-look at how they treat even the Empire in Star Wars. They made it diversity central even though the Empire was very racist and misogynistic. They can't allow a faction to have racist and sexist ways or else some fans might like them and rally behind them. Hence why they made the Empire/First Order more egalitarian despite the opposite being true in the old canon, so that liberals can fanboy over the Empire without being accused of racism or sexism. They will never allow the Pius Dea organization to be part of the new canon outside of a small mention-especially when the goddess of the cult is, well, female, and the cult is evil. It takes the whole "Force is Female" routine KK is on and flips it on its head, since the new bad guys worship a goddess as their ruler.

Haram! The Alliance to Restore the Republic is a movement of peace! - Mon Mothma
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Yes, this was one of the first designs for Mon Mothma.


The Pius Dea era was some based lore.
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Cathedral ships bringing purifying fury down upon impure xenos and the filthy Hutts. While the majority of regular aliens didn't deserve this, for Hutts it was kind of karmic in a way considering these assholes ruled the galaxy and went on their own chosen wars several centuries before, including against humans, enslaving or killing any who they came across. Honestly it would probably be more up Disney's alley, especially when considering their hatred of aliens, but like you said, these Disney fuckers don't know squat, and even less about scifi or fantasy material to copy from. And even if they did adapt it, I'm sure they wouldn't even have a competent writer and would even remove the villainous "goddess" responsible for this since the "Force is Female" and we can't have a female villain cause so much misery for no reason. Yes, the Pius Dea cult was part of a grand plan by a wicked 'Goddess' who, if you've read SW's Cult Encounters or my shitposts covering it, should feel familiar.

My point exactly. The last thing Disney wants is for a bad guy force full of xenophobes that believes their holy figure is female.

Wait... Hutta is the Huttese word for Jewel. Remove the 'a' and you got... Wait a minute...

What in the-...!!!

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Ee chu ta! Why are you so anti-kajidic?
Remember the 6 quintillion Pius Dea victims, jeedai.
Nal Hutta belongs to the Hutts! The Evocii have no claim!
Nal Hutta is the Empire's greatest ally!
Choy fa, its another Dea!

Well, now we know the real reason why Disney purged old canon.

Don't forget the Diversity Alliance and the Peace Brigade. The former was an alliance of aliens who tried to take down humans, claiming that the humans were racist against them, and the Peace Brigade betrayed their own kind for a foreign, alien horde that came into the galaxy as invaders. (Yuuzhan Vong)

It hits way too close to home, right?

The ideal "High Republic" setting should show the Republic being a bunch of lazy decadent people who ignore a crisis in the Outer Rim and send the Jedi to solve it. The Outer Rim is full of cool settings to show in any era of the Star Wars galaxy and we could actually see why there's lines like "The Republic doesn't exist out here" in the Prequels or how everyone in the Outer Rim knows who the Jedi are and has some sort of respect for their power.

It's pretty much the ideal setting for the sort of bullshit like Darth Maul being a crime boss we saw in Solo since what other way does a Sith have for exerting influence and using their power than organized crime in the Outer Rim in the era of the Republic and the height of the Jedi Order? You could have a Sith lord/apprentice involved with some sort of crime group who is raiding planets for slaves or whatever the High Republic is about, except you could have the Jedi never really know for certain if the guy is a Sith or not (and ultimately they decide "it's just some guy posing as a Sith" to keep the PT "the Sith have been extinct for a millennium" line still true) and it be up to the reader to decide. But that takes nuance which we all know Disney doesn't have.

They were, but Disney justified it at first that since the First Order was short on manpower, they were more egalitarian in letting women serve in their military. Not a lot of aliens on their ships though but that's the usual lazy writing.

It isn't hard to portray the end of the Old Republic (as seen in the Prequels) was like what the SJWs (and their corporate globalist overlords) want and view the world as. Corporations have insane influence in the Senate, and these corporations are full of diverse leadership. The military is small and powerless. The average citizen in the Core Worlds is decadent and a consoomer. Many politicians have links to organized crime and worlds where slavery and other oppression is common. Sheev Palpatine is elected on the basis of reform and changing this yet he's a demagogue and establishes a dictatorship (like Orange Man will) and proclaims himself Emperor. The people who oppose both like the Jedi and some Rebel Alliance founders are the real heroes.

Of course, there's many differences (Jedi Masters like Kit Fisto didn't get their place in the Jedi Order by affirmative action for aliens), but a simplistic and deliberately skewed read of Star Wars would let you portray the Old Republic like that.

Oh, they made even the Empire at its height allow women in the ranks in droves. Remember Iden Versio? It makes no sense considering the Empire's culture back then was "HuMAN High Culture." Emphasis on MAN because women were shunned from the higher ranks and had to claw their way up through sheer determination AND nepotism. Daala was Tarkin's close confidant, and Ysanne Isard was Armand Isard's daughter.

The SJWs claim to be very anti-corporate on the surface, even though in the end, they're shills for corporations. They'll probably change the Republic so in its golden years, it was some socialist paradise, and some cataclysm turned it into the dystopia that it later became by the time of TPM.
 
Death Star could be nice.


She looks like every female NPC in The Outer Worlds.
It's funny, if you just gave gozer nip an imperial cap: it instantly makes it less annoying and more professional...

Her actual character is whatever. That Sloan bitch is way more insufferable. The hair is just so out of place...
 
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