Netflix, Inc. indicted by grand jury in Tyler Co., Tx for promoting material in Cuties film

[Lady Adjani]

The Germans put paedophile Oskar Dirlewanger in charge of a brigade and set them loose on Eastern Europe, and Japan had institutional brothels for forcing Chinese girls to serve them.

You have no idea how much we avoided by not having an Axis victory. 1940s fascists were not "conservative" in the American sense and were pretty depraved by today's standards. The western allies were by far the best behaved during the war, since the Soviets also engaged in mass rapes in Germany.

Or how the US imprisoned over 120k Japanese civilians during WWII, or used a nuclear device on a civilian population - twice. The torture and humiliation of Iraqi war prisoners in Abu Graib, MKUltra etc etc.

Getting raped sounds fucking fun in comparison to any of those.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Seems like a life or 2 ago. I don't like posting specifics on the farms but I was there from the mid/late 90s to early 2010s. I saw shrooms go illegal iirc due to a bunch of dickhead salarymen having a bad trip or whatever and causing a scene in some hotel (again, iirc, was during a business trip (to Guam?) and not even on Japanese soil).

It has changed a bit since then. In addition to these changes, the suicide rate has also gone down, though it's still pretty high.

Or how the US imprisoned over 120k Japanese civilians during WWII, or used a nuclear device on a civilian population - twice. The the torture and humiliation of Iraqi war prisoners in Abu Graib, MKUltra etc etc.

Getting raped sounds fucking fun in comparison to any of those.

Weapons testing during the cold war also killed and injured a lot of people on Puerto Rico and Pacific islands. Thousands of people were exposed to radiation or poisoned. It's far shorter than the USSR's or Axis powers' rap sheets though.

Tbh its probably 'legal' in name only and falls under animal abuse statues instead. That's usually why some states don't have laws specifically against it. They just don't want to pay the money to write a law that would be redundant. Honestly, that's why a lot of weirdo laws are on the books that haven't been taken out because nobody wants to pay to do it. So I'm assuming its just a money issue and it already falls under animal abuse or they just follow federal statutes. I mean, if you can save 20 or 30k in labor/costs doing something redundant, why would you bother? The only reason is for PR since you're a state that has bestiality 'legal'.

Possibly, but in Washington state I don't think it was illegal at all until after the Enumclaw horse sex death case. After that the law was changed.

 

[CheesyBoy]

If they really wanted to make a movie about why sexualizing children is bad, they would have used adult actors for the dance scenes and made them very obvious fantasy segments.

 

[Still Anonymous For This]

Ironically the nuclear wasteland would be full of rape. Social collapse is bad for children.

Also you can't really punish countries for things that stopped years ago, that's basically the logic of slavery reparations.

If we kill all the children with thermonuclear war, at least they won't be diddled and filmed by the Japanese.

 

[moocow]

If I had to guess, I think Netflix would have to purge the movie from its site or face criminal charges that would shut down the company. Given the scale and scope of Netflix along with anyone who would've watched out of morbid curiosity or just to trigger and own the chuds, I think the courts would give a special grandfather clause for anyone who watched or were still subscribed to Netflix provided they don't try to get a copy of it again.

AFAIK, there's no physical media release for Cuties, so it'd be fairly easy to get it banished to the dark web if it did get legally declared as CP.

Usually, if a work is declared CP retroactively, they just stop circulating the work or reissue it with the illegal materials cut out of the movie.

This is how it worked out when everybody discovered Traci Lords was underage and lied about it to everyone when she shot practically all her pornographic scenes. They went after the producers, directors, cameramen, etc. involved in those productions but there was no effort to punish anyone who'd watched one of her pre-18 scenes. I'm trying to remember the legal term for the idea that you can't be prosecuted for committing a crime if it wasn't actually a crime when you did it. "Grandfathered" maybe?

As for the films themselves, because she was under 18 when she filmed them, they transformed overnight into CP. There were two films shot after she turned 18 which remained in distribution until many years later when she was able to purchase the rights to them and stopped distributing them. Everything else, though, is technically illegal to possess in the United States. I've never heard of anyone actually getting done for having them, though. Distribution is another matter entirely; I think they have gone after download and torrent sites that hosted her underage stuff.

Edit: lol, you even wrote "grandfather clause." God I'm dumb sometimes.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

This is how it worked out when everybody discovered Traci Lords was underage and lied about it to everyone when she shot practically all her pornographic scenes. They went after the producers, directors, cameramen, etc. involved in those productions but there was no effort to punish anyone who'd watched one of her pre-18 scenes. I'm trying to remember the legal term for the idea that you can't be prosecuted for committing a crime if it wasn't actually a crime when you did it. "Grandfathered" maybe?

As for the films themselves, because she was under 18 when she filmed them, they transformed overnight into CP. There were two films shot after she turned 18 which remained in distribution until many years later when she was able to purchase the rights to them and stopped distributing them. Everything else, though, is technically illegal to possess in the United States. I've never heard of anyone actually getting done for having them, though. Distribution is another matter entirely; I think they have gone after download and torrent sites that hosted her underage stuff.

Grandfather clause is the correct term. The same applies here, but since Cuties has no physical video release it could just be removed from Netflix and relegated to the deep web. There's no issue of people physically having the tapes after a ban.

 

[Syaoran Li]

This has happened before?

Like others have mentioned, Traci Lords is a particularly infamous example from the 80's.

Usually, the movies either intentionally were taken out of print or got reissued with her scenes removed from the movie.

 

[Rocketleaguer]

It's a generalisation but the french do have a more liberal look on things like this, I remember reading back a while ago that in the original screenplay for Leon,, he was supposed to have a sexual relationship with Natalia Portman... wtf

 

[AnOminous]

You technically can. The government is within its rights to dissolve corporations over crimes.

The state of Texas can't dissolve a Delaware corporation.

 

[Constellationzero]

My god that movie fucking sucked. I didn't know it was possible to make a science fiction film with slower pacing than 2001: A Space Odyssey but without any of the meaning. Such a boring slog to get through for no payoff whatsoever. How that ever got a greenlight or made it out of editing in its released form is beyond me.

The "nekkid babby" complaint is silly though. It's literally a guy bathing a baby for a few seconds. It's not even remotely portrayed as anything sexual, and certainly not done in the "zoom in on the crotch" style Cuties pulled. That particular objection reminds me of people who tried to get parents arrested for child porn production because they took photos of their infant/toddler children taking a bath. Very silly. Stop that.


Yes. It wasn't one of the lead characters, but one of a competing team's members. Still way underage though, bare breast and all.

Umm. No.

I haven't seen High Life and I won't watch it. I saw the reviews and that's bad enough. Saying it's "silly" and "stop that" is exactly how we got to where we are now. No, Claire Denis, A24, Netflix, that Muslim female producer, YOU stop it.

 

[AnOminous]

This is not Oscarbait.

I wouldn't bet on that. With the new Oscar woke rules, it may be one of the only films that qualifies, by way of enough melanin, for any awards in 2021.

Or how the US imprisoned over 120k Japanese civilians during WWII, or used a nuclear device on a civilian population - twice. The torture and humiliation of Iraqi war prisoners in Abu Graib, MKUltra etc etc.

Getting raped sounds fucking fun in comparison to any of those.

People get imprisoned in war, and at least we didn't deliberately starve our Japanese prisoners to death or deliberately put them on death marches like they did to ours. As for what we did to them while we were actually in combat, well, that's tough. Don't fight with us.

Germans would fight their way through 100 miles of Russians just to surrender to Americans instead, because odds were good they'd outright die in Russian custody. To be fair, the Germans were reciprocally pretty good with American POWs, even when their country was falling apart. Of course by then it was obvious who they'd be surrendering to.

It's a generalisation but the french do have a more liberal look on things like this, I remember reading back a while ago that in the original screenplay for Leon,, he was supposed to have a sexual relationship with Natalia Portman... wtf

Even Besson was told "non" about that one, though, a rare example of good executive meddling. I think it would have ruined the film even without the diddling aspect. Most of the charm of Leon was his childlike innocence juxtaposed with the savagery of his occupation, which would be completely ruined by making him a kiddy diddler.

 

[mindlessobserver]

I am really scared about what sort of precedent will come out of this. Either potential outcome could have horrifying implications. Netflix wins and the gates are open for more films like this. They lose and the 1st amendment could take a body blow.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

Fairly certain that the actors who played Bill Jr. and Johnny (?) in Happiness were 12-14 and not young adults but again it doesn't matter because the worst they endured was basically hearing Dylan Baker say "cum" and "fuck" and cry. They didn't have to get naked or twerk on camera.

All this degeneracy started with Sartre,

Sartre was just assmad that God gave him a funny eye.

No really though fuck Sartre.

 

[Damien Thorne]

Umm. No.

I haven't seen High Life and I won't watch it. I saw the reviews and that's bad enough. Saying it's "silly" and "stop that" is exactly how we got to where we are now. No, Claire Denis, A24, Netflix, that Muslim female producer, YOU stop it.

I actually liked High Life, as it proves Robert Pattinson is a talented actor. Also, it does not deserve to be compared with Cuties, as nothing about those two movies are even remotely similar.

 

[moocow]

Umm. No.

I haven't seen High Life and I won't watch it. I saw the reviews and that's bad enough. Saying it's "silly" and "stop that" is exactly how we got to where we are now. No, Claire Denis, A24, Netflix, that Muslim female producer, YOU stop it.

No. It's absurdly stupid to compare a brief glimpse of a baby being bathed to the pedophilia on display in Cuties. You're being very silly. Stop that right now, Karen.

 

[HarblMcDavid]

Nick did talk briefly about this last night, his opinion was that the movie is likely protected under 1A.

Short answer on the reasoning is that this outcome would be consistent with prior case law. He also specifically brought up that "prurient interest" is not as broad as it may at first seem.

So that likely plays in Cuties favor.

He did a quick case law search though and there is no case law or decisions surrounding the Texas law that is being invoked here available in Westlaw, which bodes poorly for Netflix in Texas specifically, assuming this gets past pre-trial and gets in front of a Tyler Co. jury.

 

[XMassAllYearRound]

The optimistic part of me is cheering for the French to get bent but the realistic part of me really doesn't like the idea of the precedent that this could set should Netflix win the case; A world where soft/hardcore porn of minors can exist under artistic merits sounds off to me.

 

[BScCollateral]

The optimistic part of me is cheering for the French to get bent but the realistic part of me really doesn't like the idea of the precedent that this could set should Netflix win the case; A world where soft/hardcore porn of minors can exist under artistic merits sounds off to me.

Agreed. The crime is abuse of the minors involved in the production. "Artistic merit" has no bearing on that.

 

[AnOminous]

Agreed. The crime is abuse of the minors involved in the production. "Artistic merit" has no bearing on that.

That's up to the French. At the very least, they need stronger regulations as to what workplace conditions can be allowed for children, and if there's some special showbiz loophole, get rid of it. There was absolutely no justifiable reason to audition 650 kids for one role in this for instance. In fact it really raises the question of whether the movie was intended to make money or whether the real money will come from selling the audition tapes to pervs.

 

[Phil Ken Sebben]

I don't know if a producer is different, I'm a retard.

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All "producer" means is they fronted some money to get something done. It has nothing to do with this particular production.