The Abortion Debate Containment Thread - Put abortion sperging here.

Not a man. :story:
The thread is still waiting for you to explain that alleged contradiction you're reeing about.
It's pretty clear who the men and women are in this thread.
Yeah the men are the ones capable of reason, who don't think by empathizing and putting themselves in shoes, but from axioms and rational thought.
Your argument is "I don't like abortion because it's killing babies"
If your argument is to just get people to say "Yes abortion is awful"
It's actually baffling that you STILL don't even know what my argument is.
You have a pathological inability to engage in good faith and actually listen to what is said to you.
That's a statement. Not a solution. Welfare is a solution
It's not supposed to be a "solution." It's a principle. What part of "We are not utilitarians" confused you?
You're making an argument that has no relationship to the position of anyone you're arguing with.

Trying to change the topic won't make me forget that you alleged a contradiction for a full day and were literally incapable of typing one single sentence explaining what the contradiction even was.
 
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@Erischan calm down lmao

By the way, going back through my post history and rating "dumb" on my posts on completely random threads is obsessive and silly. You really need to take a break. You're way too MOTI if you have to stalk my posts for 30 minutes every day just to rate them dumb.

EDIT: He's still doing it. Mentally ill behavior. :epik:
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@Erischan calm down lmao
Imagine if instead of using 27 minutes to make this post you used that time to make a good post.
By the way, going back through my post history and rating "dumb" on my posts on completely random threads is obsessive and silly. You really need to take a break. You're way too MOTI if you have to stalk my posts for 30 minutes every day just to rate them dumb.
Ghosting out of threads when you take a fat L and don't want to admit it is sad. I'm going to bully you for it until you stop doing it and act like a man.
EDIT: He's still doing it. Mentally ill behavior. :epik:
Bruh why are you being passive aggressive instead of just posting in the thread lmao
The thread is still waiting for you to explain that alleged contradiction you're reeing about.
 
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Your dumb pea-brain can't comprehend that I'm not saying "I'll do whatever I can to protect your life!" You need to sarcastically relate my argument to a dumb strawman comic because you're too dumb to just read it, understand it, and respond to it. Sad!

You are forcing women to have their babies but won't help them have it after you force them to have it. So yeah, that is how you're acting. I know your autism makes it hard to understand other points of view, but try really hard here.

If a homeless woman gets raped and pregnant, you say screw her. She should be forced to have the baby and then be forced to care for it.
 
@Erischan I won't be debating you. You're way too MOTI, and :epik: trollbaiting hard. I said what I need to say, just accept it. Have a good day. We're done. Thanks for your input.

PS don't get MOTI stalking my page. Looks like even Null noticed and thinks you're being a sperg.

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I just stopped responding to them a while back, like I assume most people who have the misfortune of interacting with them online or in-person.

Generally speaking, you're going to get more out of debating with the other folks 'round here who don't share your take. I certainly enjoyed my time para-sperging and puzzling out how the other side thinks -- which is hard to do when you're constantly getting blown up by some sad schizo shouting I AM RIGHT BECAUSE I AM RIGHT even when you're pointedly not engaging with them.
 
House refers to the pregnancy as her being infected with a parasite. I always wondered if it came from there.
It's not where it came from originally, though possibly what popularized it, as media often does.

That episode aired december 2004.


Here's a scholarly paper from 1979 doing the same:

The fetus as parasite and mushroom: Judith Jarvis Thomson's defense of abortion​


I just stopped responding to them a while back, like I assume most people who have the misfortune of interacting with them online or in-person.

Funny how encountering one autist tranny makes you avoid all of a particular political/moral perspective. Anything to keep cognitive dissonance out, I suppose.
 
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I just stopped responding to them a while back, like I assume most people who have the misfortune of interacting with them online or in-person.

Generally speaking, you're going to get more out of debating with the other folks 'round here who don't share your take. I certainly enjoyed my time para-sperging and puzzling out how the other side thinks -- which is hard to do when you're constantly getting blown up by some sad schizo shouting I AM RIGHT BECAUSE I AM RIGHT even when you're pointedly not engaging with them.
Thanks. I wasn't trying to engage with Mr. "Pretends to be a cute Loli avatar on The Internet" but he decided to stalk me for some reason. I honestly don't know what his goal was. I'm not going to "argue" or "debate" someone who is spamming me.

I'm sure someone will "dumb" or "MOTI" rate me for this, but his point was genuinely really confusing to me and he got upset way too hard which didn't help. Other people were trying to be nice and articulate it out, and he'd say NO THAT'S WRONG and then claim I'm wrong, but then not explain his point in a way that was nice and made sense. Apparently "Abortion is bad" is somehow not his point... I don't know, I really don't.

Anyway, the main piece I want to add was and still is that welfare is most likely to reduce abortion rates. If the goal is to reduce abortions, this is a good solution.
 
Funny how encountering one autist tranny makes you avoid all of a particular political/moral perspective. Anything to keep cognitive dissonance out, I suppose.

Wipe the cheetos dust from your eyes, you illterate fatty. "Generally speaking, you're going to get more out of debating with the other folks 'round here who don't share your take" implies that one -should- debate with that selfsame moral/political perspective, as I expressly explained I did, but with less schizophrenic advocates. I would assume you're not suggesting that everyone adamantly anti-abortion is an autistic tranny.


Thanks. I wasn't trying to engage with Mr. "Pretends to be a cute Loli avatar on The Internet" but he decided to stalk me for some reason. I honestly don't know what his goal was. I'm not going to "argue" or "debate" someone who is spamming me.

I'm sure someone will "dumb" or "MOTI" rate me for this, but his point was genuinely really confusing to me and he got upset way too hard which didn't help. Other people were trying to be nice and articulate it out, and he'd say NO THAT'S WRONG and then claim I'm wrong, but then not explain his point in a way that was nice and made sense. Apparently "Abortion is bad" is somehow not his point... I don't know, I really don't.

Anyway, the main piece I want to add was and still is that welfare is most likely to reduce abortion rates. If the goal is to reduce abortions, this is a good solution.

You were trying to understand someone else's personal circular logic loop, whose understanding is entirely predicated on your having an intimate knowledge of their stance on everything. You can't point out contradictions in their reasoning, because their internal logic contradicts itself. I was convinced when I first wandered in here that they were just a genuinely committed poe, but that level of autism bespeaks genuine obsession.

Somewhere back, he made the claim that it didn't matter what anyone else thought was right, but only what was right was to be understood. But he was not an arbitrator of what was right; things were simply right and wrong, and he simply knew them, and he could not explain how he knew them. This sprouted off with someone else into an interesting discussion on the definitions/usage of "morals" and "ethics" and their use in determining what was true and good -- but there was nothing to draw from the original. He can't explain his personal ethics (particularly when he drifted into sociopath territory, as autist trannies are wont to); he can't explain what system of morality he subscribes to; he can't explain why he believes anything or knows anything to be true beyond "it is."
Despite the fact that like half of this thread is their shitting it up with the same 3 arguments (abortion is murder, I am right, everyone else is wrong), you're going to get precisely nothing out of engaging with that one.

Virtually everyone else, even the people just swinging by to fart in the wind, does a better job of explaining why they believe what they do about abortion, and have provided stronger arguments (or stronger food for thought) to that end. They've also generally been better at taking and giving the bantz and not spazzing out.
 
Wipe the cheetos dust from your eyes, you illterate fatty. "Generally speaking, you're going to get more out of debating with the other folks 'round here who don't share your take" implies that one -should- debate with that selfsame moral/political perspective, as I expressly explained I did, but with less schizophrenic advocates. I would assume you're not suggesting that everyone adamantly anti-abortion is an autistic tranny.

Yeah, you're right, I read you completely wrong. If you'd been more polite about pointing it out, I might even have apologized for it, but it seems you already got enough fun out of the way with typing that ;)
 
Yeah, you're right, I read you completely wrong. If you'd been more polite about pointing it out, I might even have apologized for it, but it seems you already got enough fun out of the way with typing that ;)

No one comes to this thread for polite discourse - if you're not calling everyone a braindead retard at all hours, then you're not engaging in the real shitpost camaraderie.
 
No one comes to this thread for polite discourse - if you're not calling everyone a braindead retard at all hours, then you're not engaging in the real shitpost camaraderie.

That's alright, I'm not here to make comrades.
 
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Not a man. :story: I'm assuming you don't own a uterus. It's pretty clear who the men and women are in this thread. lol

Already made the argument that if you want abortion to go down, the science shows that welfare spending had driven it down the most. Your argument is "I don't like abortion because it's killing babies" ... That's a statement. Not a solution. Welfare is a solution. REEEing is not a solution. If your argument is to just get people to say "Yes abortion is awful" we don't disagree. But that's not a solution.

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I don't like murder. I support murder being illegal.
Some say supporting certain social programs would reduce the murder rate. I am skeptical, so I don't support it.

There's no contradiction. I want people punished if they murder. Don't murder people. It's not my job to tell you how to live your life without murdering anyone, I don't care how you accomplish it, but if you murder someone I want you gone from my society.

I reject the premise that murder should be supported unless you are willing to pay for every random idea that claims to reduce the murder rate.

The solution to murder? Hell I don't even know if there is one. Nevertheless, I want it punished and stopped whenever possible.
 
Another example of non-sequitor responses.

This is why women shouldn't be allowed to discuss abortion. Never really contribute to discussion. Only attempts at mockery and reputation destruction. Never willing to answer questions or clarify what they say.

Just attack attack attack.

It's also why the discussion is won overall though, because quality of arguments doesn't matter. It only matters who is on the defensive.

We know abortion is killing. We know that what was alive is now dead.

We also know that thr killing isn't justifiable in the majority of cases. The fact that things like rape or danger to mother or serious birth defects get brought up as defense is not because they are a defense (after all even countries where abortion is illegal, it is still legal to do one if it saves the mother's life).

We also know how angry everybody is if a third party causes the end of pregnancy. So it isn't just "a parasite" or "clump of cells" either.

The remainder is that it is murder. It is very inconvenient when it is. It means serious reflection required of anyone that had an abortion. If they have to reexamine their mistake as murder, can you imagine the psychological damage to an incredible number of women?

Or the men and women performing the abortions for that matter?

And the difficulty of how these mistakes should be organised in the future?

The way to deal with anti-abortion people is to paint them as religious nutjobs, like they do on shows like the L word. Hateful, angry irrational people. Shows using the literal "I am SILLY" level of propaganda. So what if you switch? Then you too become reviled.

Reviled for caring about life, reviled for wanting mothers to care for their child, reviled for spreading simple truths, that would be apparent without a lifetime of hollywood, netflix, or even just falsified kinsey studies that helped pave the way intellectually for roe v wade, even as he paid parents to orgasm their crying babies and fighting children.
 
Ok so we're going back to abortions only to save the mother and in cases of severe birth defects? Fine with me!

You just eliminated 99 percent of abortion. Nice job my pro life buddy!
First, you pulled the 99% figure out of thin air. It's more like 10% of abortions. Second: Not really. A lot of women are forced to carry such pregnancies to term. Banning abortions outright often blanket bans birth defect abortions, too. Third, in countries where it's considered "murder" it just leads to this barbaric practice of women being jailed for having miscarriages.

That and, you claim you still wouldn't support welfare for single moms. Are you nuts? The most common reason for abortion is poverty, the obvious solution is to provide welfare. Statistics and facts support the evidence that this has roundly reduced abortion rates. Why be skeptical? Do you care more about money, or babies lives? What the fuck? You think this is some noble crusade, only to be miserly?

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We know abortion is killing. We know that what was alive is now dead.
Sad.
 
@Erischan calm down lmao

By the way, going back through my post history and rating "dumb" on my posts on completely random threads is obsessive and silly. You really need to take a break. You're way too MOTI if you have to stalk my posts for 30 minutes every day just to rate them dumb.

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@Erischan I won't be debating you. You're way too MOTI, and :epik: trollbaiting hard. I said what I need to say, just accept it. Have a good day. We're done. Thanks for your input.

PS don't get MOTI stalking my page. Looks like even Null noticed and thinks you're being a sperg.

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Oh my god he just sperged all over the place. Lmao that's so embarrassing, why would anyone do that in public?
 
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