2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[GuntPunt]

Here's the latest from 270:

https://www.270towin.com/maps/consensus-2020-electoral-map-forecast

The latest is Biden: 290 Trump: 163

"Ohio and Iowa are still swing states guize! Arizona is more blue than Florida too!"

People are going to be suprised come Nov 3.

 

[BeboRefugee]

Kamala Harris basically walked back all the ultra woke progressive shit that twitter people love. Biden and Kamala when put in front of a national audience, just abandoned everything lol. Democrats are still a dangerous group but they are depressing turnout for whatever is left of the AOC and Bernie crowd. And on top of it the progressives are begging their own to vote for this pile of shit because there is a one percent chance it just might happen that Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism will be achieved till the next election where whoever is the next Republican nominee even if its a darkie or a spic, will be considered a nazi and the media will light up their faces to make them look whiter.

I'm sure a lot of progressives will be internally glad Biden and Harris lose.
If they're not worth supporting if they aren't gonna champion progressive causes the moment they get any pushback-- and not even from debate moderators, simply Trump or Pence inviting them to describe the policies.
What's the point of Biden winning, then? It's actually more demoralising for their party because it means, AT BEST, they get bland nothing until 2024, and then hope the Republicans somehow win so by 2028 they'll have another shot at a policy platform they actually want. A Biden win is, at minimum, an 8 year delay for them.

This is why Trump doubling down so often in 2016 was so effective. It rallied the base. Moderates who fear big ideas aren't gonna shill on your behalf. Kamala and Biden's disavowals of meaningful policy in both debates is really puttin the 'Settle for Biden' memes in a new light. Before, I thought it was ill-advised for being overly dour. Now I see its because Biden offers millions of registered Democrats absolutely fuck-all-- and it stings like its worse than fuck all because he dangled these carrots in front of them during the primaries and were his de facto policies throughout the summer, and then a month before the election he's gone and ripped them all away.

 

[deeplyhigh]

It's also a poll of "adults" which is a waste of time. I don't trust their "likely" screen either. Of the adults who participated, 75% are "likely" voters? Bullshit.

Minnesota does average 70-75% turnout in presidential elections, so it is technically feasible, but 75% would be near record turnout for the state. There have been a couple years recently where turnout was almost 80% though.

That poll makes no sense. If there are more Republicans thans Democrats voting, why is Biden leading 7%?

Also, can anyone confirm whenever or not 62% of the population is in the Twin Cities? Unless that's including the suburbs, then I don't buy it at all that the Twin Cities would be able to so easily overwhelm the Republicans in the rest of the state. I've heard it's more like 30-40%

Found the full poll data and have attached it. The 62% number has to be including the suburbs because there is no way it is valid otherwise. The seven county metro has a population of ~3.3 million and the state has ~5.6 million total. I suspect they overpolled Hennepin and Ramsey vs the rest of the metro counties.

 

[RockPaper]

I'm sure a lot of progressives will be internally glad Biden and Harris lose.
If they're not worth supporting if they aren't gonna champion progressive causes the moment they get any pushback-- and not even from debate moderators, simply Trump or Pence inviting them to describe the policies.
What's the point of Biden winning, then? It's actually more demoralising for their party because it means, AT BEST, they get bland nothing until 2024, and then hope the Republicans somehow win so by 2028 they'll have another shot at a policy platform they actually want. A Biden win is, at minimum, an 8 year delay for them.

This is why Trump doubling down so often in 2016 was so effective. It rallied the base. Moderates who fear big ideas aren't gonna shill on your behalf. Kamala and Biden's disavowals of meaningful policy in both debates is really puttin the 'Settle for Biden' memes in a new light. Before, I thought it was ill-advised for being overly dour. Now I see its because Biden offers millions of registered Democrats absolutely fuck-all-- and it stings like its worse than fuck all because he dangled these carrots in front of them during the primaries and were his de facto policies throughout the summer, and then a month before the election he's gone and ripped them all away.

And obviously, Trump is going to be happy with anything that suppresses the D turnout. Watching them flip-flop on fracking (for example) does two things at once. It depresses the Left turnout when they say they're not against it, and it pushes nervous middle-of-the-road normies toward Trump when they see they can't be trusted to save those jobs if the Democrats win. Both groups feel the opposite side of the flip-flop is what they're afraid will actually come to pass.

 

[Meat Target]

"Ohio and Iowa are still swing states guize! Arizona is more blue than Florida too!"

People are going to be suprised come Nov 3.

The GOP cannot afford to sleep on Arizona. Cali Cancer has been metastasizing there, and as Razorfist has documented, electoral fuck-fuck games in 2018 are why they have a Dem senator right now.

I get the whole "hotter the desert, the redder the neck" thing, but the same could be said of California.

 

[Terrorist]

I think people are overcalculating Trump’s support from Hispanics for cynical purposes, but even if he does get 45% of them or something, that doesn’t mean the demographic replacement of whites with Hispanics is gonna work out fine in the end or isn’t a big deal.

They’d vote for him because: Recent waves of immigrants compete with them for jobs, lockdown hurts them, they don’t like BLM, and vague machismo. It’d be an uneasy conditional alliance, not because they’ve assimilated or value American heritage/Western civ/etc.

More Hispanics = USA becomes like Mexico and etc, not Heritage-America-but-brown. There’s an audience for right wing populism in Latin America too, but Latin America is still a shithole. I don’t want the USA to become like Latin America regardless of how many right wing populists are elected because it will still be massively dysfunctional.

 

[BeboRefugee]

And obviously, Trump is going to be happy with anything that suppresses the D turnout. Watching them flip-flop on fracking (for example) does two things at once. It depresses the Left turnout when they say they're not against it, and it pushes nervous middle-of-the-road normies toward Trump when they see they can't be trusted to save those jobs if the Democrats win. Both groups feel the opposite side of the flip-flop is what they're afraid will actually come to pass.

True, I was looking through a couple different sites during the debates, to get a bit of variety. One leaned a bit more left and it was at the point of the debate where Pence says Biden's gonna ban fracking. Harris repeats into the camera 3 or 4 times ''Joe Biden will not ban fracking''.
The one comment that stood out to me was someone saying ''but not banning fracking sounds like a bad thing to me...''

That's why the Democrats are so hush-hush about their policies. Because Trump broke the Blue Wall, they have to vocally do the impossible and court both Rust Belt union workers and urban idealists, whereas before they could take those Blue Dogs for granted. Be it riots, supreme court nominees, or corona, they either sacrifice the middle they need or the hard left.
Their electoral alliances are outdated and incongruent.

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

The GOP cannot afford to sleep on Arizona. Cali Cancer has been metastasizing there, and as Razorfist has documented, electoral fuck-fuck games in 2018 are why they have a Dem senator right now.

I get the whole "hotter the desert, the redder the neck" thing, but the same could be said of California.

The GOP needs to fight any funny business there, now that they can and seem willing to as well. Rick Scott put an end to the foolishness in florida, which is how it has two Republican senators for the first time in over 100 years.

True, I was looking through a couple different sites during the debates, to get a bit of variety. One leaned a bit more left and it was at the point of the debate where Pence says Biden's gonna ban fracking. Harris repeats into the camera 3 or 4 times ''Joe Biden will not ban fracking''.
The one comment that stood out to me was someone saying ''but not banning fracking sounds like a bad thing to me...''

That's why the Democrats are so hush-hush about their policies. Because Trump broke the Blue Wall, they have to vocally do the impossible and court both Rust Belt union workers and urban idealists, whereas before they could take those Blue Dogs for granted. Be it riots, supreme court nominees, or corona, they either sacrifice the middle they need or the hard left.
Their electoral alliances are outdated and incongruent.

The ideal debate tactic seems to be to try to demoralize dem supporters instead of trying to get them to switch.

 

[Meat Target]

The GOP needs to fight any funny business there, now that they can and seem willing to as well.

The problem with Arizona is that, despite being deep-red, John McCain purged the Goldwaterites from the state's GOP and replaced it with cuckservatives.

 

[ASoulMan]

Trump says he won't do next presidential debate after it goes virtual due to COVID-19

Trump says he won't do next presidential debate after it goes virtual due to COVID-19

The Biden campaign said Thursday it still planned to take part in the debate.

www.usatoday.com

WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump said Thursday he would not take part in the next presidential debate with former Vice President Joe Biden after it was moved to a virtual format due to COVID-19 safety concerns.

"I'm not going to waste my time doing a virtual debate," he told Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo, calling a virtual debate a "joke" and an effort "to protect Biden."

The Commission on Presidential Debates announced Thursday morning the next presidential debate would be remote to "protect the health and safety of all involved" amid the COVID-19 pandemic and Trump's positive COVID-19 diagnosis.

The debate, which is scheduled to take place on Oct. 15, is set to be held in a town hall format.

Debate moderator Steve Scully, C-SPAN's Senior Executive Producer & Political Editor, and the town hall participants will be based in Miami, Florida, but the candidates would participate in "separate remote locations," the Commission said.

Trump spent three days at Walter Reed National Military Medical Center, where he was treated for COVID-19. He returned to the White House on Monday, and then two days later, he reentered the Oval Office.

As Biden headed to Arizona on Thursday for campaign events, he told reporters he didn’t know what to expect.

“I don’t know what the president is going to do. He changes his mind every second,” Biden said. “For me to comment on that now would be irresponsible. I think that if I can follow the commission’s recommendations — if he goes off and has a rally, I’ll — I don’t know what I’ll do.”

Trump campaign manager Bill Stepien, who also tested positive for COVID-19 last week, said Trump would hold a rally instead of participating in the debate.

"President Trump will have posted multiple negative tests prior to the debate, so there is no need for this unilateral declaration," Stepien said, though the date of Trump's last negative test has not been released.

Biden spokesperson Andrew Bates shot back, writing on Twitter, "Unsurprisingly, one candidate is leading while the other is whining."

"In his weakness he's proving that he only cares about himself — not even his supporters," Bates said.

The Biden campaign had previously said they would take part in the debate.

"Vice President Biden looks forward to speaking directly to the American people and comparing his plan for bringing the country together and building back better," said Biden deputy campaign manager Kate Bedingfield.

 

[RockPaper]

The ideal debate tactic seems to be to try to demoralize dem supporters instead of trying to get them to switch.

If you highlight that they've espoused two contradictory positions, It paints them as cynical opportunists who will say anything. While simultaneously making their supporters think they're secretly going to do the thing they don't like once they win. It's a good strategy in any election.

 

[heyitsmike]

Trump should just set up his own town hall style debate with himself (like he did before) and declare it the "real" second debate that Biden is welcome to join. Watch the media freak out.

He and Pence should do a live interview together on Joe Rogan at the same time the debate would have been.

 

[Marchesa of the Vast]

Kamala Harris basically walked back all the ultra woke progressive shit that twitter people love. Biden and Kamala when put in front of a national audience, just abandoned everything lol. Democrats are still a dangerous group but they are depressing turnout for whatever is left of the AOC and Bernie crowd. And on top of it the progressives are begging their own to vote for this pile of shit because there is a one percent chance it just might happen that Automated Luxury Gay Space Communism will be achieved till the next election where whoever is the next Republican nominee even if its a darkie or a spic, will be considered a nazi and the media will light up their faces to make them look whiter.

I still can't believe the Dems are expecting a huge 18-21 turnout for them. This might be the lowest 18-21 turnout in decades.

 

[Stoneheart]

Arizona is more blue than Florida too!

i would bet on that if the odds are good enough. the chance for that to happen is high enough to risk some money.
Florida is turning red fast...

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

So how much will not doing a virtual debate hurt Trump, do you think?

 

[heyitsmike]

So how much will not doing a virtual debate hurt Trump, do you think?

Zero. A good Biden performance hurts Trump more than not doing the debate.

And I don't know about y'all, but in school I always scored better on take home tests. Biden will use a teleprompter and cheat like a motherfucker.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Zero. A good Biden performance hurts Trump more than not doing the debate.

And I don't know about y'all, but in school I always scored better on take home tests. Biden will use a teleprompter and cheat like a motherfucker.

There is also the fact that the moderator for the second debate was literally Biden’s intern. Might as well get Hillary to mod a debate at this rate

 

[Kiyoshi's Wristbrace]

I still can't believe the Dems are expecting a huge 18-21 turnout for them. This might be the lowest 18-21 turnout in decades.

As great as this sounds, can you elaborate on what you're going on?

Because on my end, I've seen nothing but sheer desperation to recruit the young dumb kids to their side. To the point it's become a huge campaign of "VOTE TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY". Very reminiscent of 2008's Black Jesus with "HOPE, AND IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE"

I was worried that people were actually falling for it like then.

 

[heyitsmike]

As great as this sounds, can you elaborate on what you're going on?

Because on my end, I've seen nothing but sheer desperation to recruit the young dumb kids to their side. To the point it's become a huge campaign of "VOTE TO SAVE OUR COUNTRY". Very reminiscent of 2008's Black Jesus with "HOPE, AND IT'S TIME FOR CHANGE"

I was worried that people were actually falling for it like then.

They ain't showing up for Biden. They are Bernie or bust.

 

[Harvey Danger]

That awkward moment when a literal pest captures more hearts and minds than you during a debate. Perhaps they should swap Harris out for the fly? I dare say it's cleaner than she is.

No, she totally won guys, honest. Look at this surge of Harris support!