Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Ahriman]

Winston with a very interesting take.

TL;DR Chinese are practically human locusts.

 

[Garm]

I just look around me. Lines of cars waiting for food. Neighbor just lost job. Another neighbor must move.

Now, this insane piece of shit has the sheer fucking gall to claim CA is one of the happiest places to live. Chug those hot drinks, shiteater, lowest circle of hell is cold.

https://deadline.com/2020/10/gavin-newsom-california-happiest-place-to-live-tells-unhappy-residents-1234591602/

https://archive.vn/t53NK

I was trying to set up the "utilitarian" argument for all the people screaming "Trump has the blood of 200,000 people on his hands!"

If a million people died from starvation and another million died from delayed medical care due to virus lockdowns, would their blood be on the hands of people supporting lockdowns? Can they argue that those 200k were worth 10 other souls?

 

[Saint Alphonsus]

Haven't been posting in this thread for some months, idk how @Barnard is doing, but the whole of Poland is now a wear-a-mask-whenever-you-go-outside zone with a record 4 280 cases detected today (yay a record), and over 40% of the hospital beds dedicated to Wu-Flu patients occupied. We'll probably follow the path Italy and Spain went in March. It does not look good at all.

40% of hospital beds... dedicated to WuFlu. Does this imply VirusBeds are a subset of total hospital beds? What is this number?

Back when they were scaring us shitless about Italy, the news said the hospitals were burdened beyond capacity. But regular Italians said "LOL that happens every year because our hospital system is shit."

All I'm saying is this is lying with exact information. (edit) [Consider the flipside of the scenario in my first paragraph:] Also, if Poland set up surplus hospital beds for the mythical second wave, then 40% is performing below their projections... Just like the useless field hospitals in NYC and LA.

 

[JosephStalin]

I was trying to set up the "utilitarian" argument for all the people screaming "Trump has the blood of 200,000 people on his hands!"

If a million people died from starvation and another million died from delayed medical care due to virus lockdowns, would their blood be on the hands of people supporting lockdowns? Can they argue that those 200k were worth 10 other souls?

A VERY valid point.

Let me throw out some other things, please. Less than 10% of those who have died of the ChiCom Flu here died of that alone. The remaining 90% had an average of more than two comorbidities. So could that 200K number be really 20K? One straight ChiCom Flu victim worth 100 dead due to oppressive measures?

CDC says 100K Americans die every month from cancer/heart problems. Another 150K die monthly from all other causes, not counting the ChiCom Flu. So about 250K total/month, or about 3,000,000/year.

Adding your numbers to that, that jumps the 3,00,000/year to 5,200,000 for this year. That would be incredible, even if your numbers were less than a million each from starvation/lack of medical care. Am assuming you speak only of the USA.

In this case, the blood of those 2,000,000 people would most assuredly be on the hands of all who promulgated and enforced these house arrests, as well as all those who supported these draconian measures. Figure the odds any of those people would ever even feel remorse over what happened, much less express remorse or offer some measure of contrition.

Had another thought. If this makes sense, it's bad enough when millions die in war. But at least those people died for a purpose, or due to enemy action. It is utterly inexcusable when millions die due to politicians' egos. All this was political after two weeks. Enough time to identify hot spots, then quarantine them, plus buffer zones. Everyone else back to work/school/life, wearing masks to the maximum extent possible. Disruption to economy and society minimized. Not fucking rocket science. Takes just a few seconds to figure that out.

Not one US state did this. Vast majority (40 or 41, I believe) went full-Nazi, one-size-fits-all house arrest in their stated. A few went to modified house arrest. A couple of states didn't go to house arrest at all.

Beyond belief.

 

[Standardized Profile]

Man i can't wait for this to be over.... I'm more afraid of how the government would handle future flu seasons after this

"Seasons?" Listen, you can get the flu any time of year. So put your mask back on and continue social distancing until a cure is found.

 

[Sekirodiealot]

"Seasons?" Listen, you can get the flu any time of year. So put your mask back on and continue social distancing until a cure is found.

Sounds unrealistic

 

[Dolphin Lundgren]

I just look around me. Lines of cars waiting for food. Neighbor just lost job. Another neighbor must move.

Now, this insane piece of shit has the sheer fucking gall to claim CA is one of the happiest places to live. Chug those hot drinks, shiteater, lowest circle of hell is cold.

https://deadline.com/2020/10/gavin-newsom-california-happiest-place-to-live-tells-unhappy-residents-1234591602/

https://archive.vn/t53NK

Unless you're stuck in the Maxine Waters district. So happy. So safe.

 

[Homegrown Homophobia]

Super-Concierge Doctors, High-Design Home Classrooms, and Catered Backyard Dinners: Lifestyles of the Rich and Quarantined

https://archive.md/r0cJJ

Somehow I imagine home security/home defense wasn't high on these people's lists of things to do during a pandemic.

 

[Sothis]

I wish people in Melbourne would stop being such pussies and stop bending over and spreading their ass cheeks for chinks and authority. And knowing that people where I live are dumb as dogshit they're all going to be crying "how could this happen" once everything opens and cases go up again. But then again I suppose when your ancestors are all criminals living in prison-like conditions comes as a second nature to these people.

 

[PurpleEater]

I know this has been said before, but what is all this mask-wearing and hyper-sterilization of everything in sight going to do to people's immune systems in the long run?

We're supposed to come in contact with germs/dirt to a degree to build immunity, but now that our society has gone full autistic germaphobe, will that have long-lasting repercussions? I think especially for children it could be harmful since they really need to go build up their immune systems, play outside and with each other. All this separating them in school is going to weaken them physically if it goes on too long.

 

[UntimelyDhelmise]

I know this has been said before, but what is all this mask-wearing and hyper-sterilization of everything in sight going to do to people's immune systems in the long run?

We're supposed to come in contact with germs/dirt to a degree to build immunity, but now that our society has gone full autistic germaphobe, will that have long-lasting repercussions? I think especially for children it could be harmful since they really need to go build up their immune systems, play outside and with each other. All this separating them in school is going to weaken them physically if it goes on too long.

It just means they'll have more "pandemics" to fearmonger with down the line.

 

[Fanatical Pragmatist]

I know this has been said before, but what is all this mask-wearing and hyper-sterilization of everything in sight going to do to people's immune systems in the long run?

We're supposed to come in contact with germs/dirt to a degree to build immunity, but now that our society has gone full autistic germaphobe, will that have long-lasting repercussions? I think especially for children it could be harmful since they really need to go build up their immune systems, play outside and with each other. All this separating them in school is going to weaken them physically if it goes on too long.

Its only an impairment if you are playing along.

But in the context of that question, it could in theory. However, that would require almost total isolation. I have not seen total isolation, and I see kids playing outside, playing on the playground, etc.; quite possibly even more so than before.
So common shit like colds and flus will still get passed around, other "germs" like bacteria and dirt microbes will still come into contact and immune systems will still have practice recognizing foreign substances.

However, the bigger issue is that vaccinations are down in 2020 for shit that actually fucking kills kids, likely due to either hospital closure or parents too afraid to take kids in due to fears over COVID.
Either way, in our plight to save our holy boomers & deathfats, we might have had to sacrifice some kids along the way.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

I thought I was joking, but this turns out to have literally been true. They were using ancient 64K-row spreadsheets.

A governmental agency using old technology isn't too surprising because they're all to happy to use their old computing devices until they simply can't or won't run any more. I've seen the same thing happen with the smallest of small businesses who may choose to user older operating systems and software for budgetary/cash flow reasons or even the idea that they shouldn't change a computing environment with which they've become adept or familiar.

So their response to being told they can't just issue edicts like dictators is to...continue to issue edicts like dictators? How the fuck is that allowed?

I'll have more to say about this a little later, but Whitmer tends to get butthurt when she doesn't get her way and she'll often respond with passive-aggressiveness.

But get this: his powers are narrower than the governor's. For example, he can't, (I'm pretty sure), unilaterally extend unemployment benefits like Governor Whitmer did, by an order that has now been invalidated. There is a lot of stuff she did unilaterally that is about to all go up in smoke unless she and the legislature come to an agreement fast.
There's more details and more articles in the A&N thread.

This is why Whitmer needed to find a way to work with the state legislature even if it meant swallowing pride and making compromises. After all, she did run on a platform of bipartisanship, no? Instead, she uses Executive Orders which are a lot easier to be overturned the moment a court decides the orders exceed the executive's authority. (For reference, look at how Dems go to the 9th Circuit to overturn Trump's EOs with which they take issue.)

Something as important as Unemployment should have been passed by the legislature had she not decided to handle the pandemic via executive order. She could have easily told the legislature that workers need extended unemployment with requirements such as the active search for another job temporarily waived. Who knows, she just might have got it had she played and asked nicely.

Little Gretchen is accusing Big Daddy Don of being "complicit" in the plot to kidnap her.

Even if Trump's twitter tirades often go overboard, Whitmer fails to realize that it takes two (or more) to start a Twitter slapfight. If she hates his Twitter behavior as much as she claims, she should ignore it and focus on something more important -- such as working with the legislature to find practical substitutes for the executive orders becoming null and void. Instead, she's reacted to news that her days as Michigan's Sheev Palpatine may be over soon by insulting the legislative majority leaders and passive-aggressively whining about the situation. Any other governor that lived up to their claims of bipartisanship would be meeting with the majority leaders ASAP to find out what what they can agree on and what will take more in the way of give and take.

I can guarantee that if the people malingering with it did not have sick pay, they would be back at work already.

As much as the Federal add on -- originally $600/week and now somewhere between $200-$400 if I recall -- was needed to help those living in areas with high costs of living, it also had the effect of deterring people from going back to work because they were making more money while unemployed. This was especially true for those working part-time or low-wage jobs. If Unemployment gradually scaled down to pre-pandemic levels for those whose industries slowly reopened, this might not be as much of a problem. However, some states haven't changed the provisions in their unemployment law that state refusing a job offer while collecting unemployment is a potential disqualifer for future benefits. Paid NEETS in those states could find their tugboats sinking if their employers choose to report them for not coming back to work without good cause.

My mom gon say Trump having covid is fake because he recovered in two days while everyone else who had for two to three weeks dies from it without having pre-existing conditions, including a five year old girl.

I'm not sure how true it is thanks to all the misinformation circulating freely, but I've heard healthy people with minor symptoms who are diagnosed and treated immediately can have shorter recovery times. One can also bet that the doctors at Walter Reed have far more tools at their disposal for treating any sort of serious illness that might strike the President -- especially in the way of experimental drugs/dosages and other treatments not necessarily available to the general public.
(Edited for clarity)

 

[Vault Boy]

I know this has been said before, but what is all this mask-wearing and hyper-sterilization of everything in sight going to do to people's immune systems in the long run?

We're supposed to come in contact with germs/dirt to a degree to build immunity, but now that our society has gone full autistic germaphobe, will that have long-lasting repercussions? I think especially for children it could be harmful since they really need to go build up their immune systems, play outside and with each other. All this separating them in school is going to weaken them physically if it goes on too long.

It's one of those long term things the "experts" and politicians didn't think through, like the possibility of a new depression.

I don't think we'll end up like the Quarians from Mass Effect, but some people might be susceptible to minor infections.

 

[Barnard]

Haven't been posting in this thread for some months, idk how @Barnard is doing, but the whole of Poland is now a wear-a-mask-whenever-you-go-outside zone with a record 4 280 cases detected today (yay a record), and over 40% of the hospital beds dedicated to Wu-Flu patients occupied. We'll probably follow the path Italy and Spain went in March. It does not look good at all.

Thanks for caring, I'm fine personally, just lost heart for this thread because the whole thing honestly tired me out. Though I did catch some odd bug early this week; was feeling off on Monday, then low grade fever that resolved itself for two days, but at the same time the fever disappeared I developed a slight cough and lost my sense of smell. It's certainly not a flu and I've never had a cold quite like this, so who knows, maybe it's Corona-chan.

When stats say 4 000 new cases a day, I'm afraid it's more like 40 000 because we don't have the testing capacity to catch anything but obvious cases. So we can't control it right now, the minister admitted as much. And the reaction was too late. We can still avoid a second Italy though, they're going to free up more beds and there's plenty of ventilators in reserve. New restrictions should slow the spread enough that we don't cross healthcare capacity, but it's going to be a rough few weeks before that happens. And many non-COVID hospital patients will suffer. That's the price we pay for trying to live normal lives.

 

[Barnard]

Look up the BMIs of the people in those beds and if there's information on how many have type two diabetes.

And ask why there's not a distinction made between cases and whether or not a person is asymptomatic, has mild symptoms or is deathly sick.

I'll give you a clue: "cases" works amazingly as a whipping stick.

All the people on those wards in Italy? Were fat old men. In the UK, over three quarters of the most sick were fat bastards with a BMI of 30+.


Jesus christ I cannot believe we are over ten months in and people are still swallowing the lies over all this and are still unable or unwilling to question anything.


Just like flu, most people who get it will be fine. Just like flu, some people will die and some people will feel shit for months afterwards. The question is, why are they so hell bent on decimating the economy and stripping you of your rights when they clearly do not give a fuck about flu and never did before?

If people can't or won't ask that and instead prefer the "ITS GONNA KILL US ALL WHERE IS YOUR MASK YOU ARE KILLING GRANDMA BODIES IN THE STREETS BOOOODDDIIIIEEES PIIIIIILLLLLLEEEESS OFFFF BODDDIIEESSSS AND MASSS GRAAAAAVVEEEEESSSS!!!!!" shit that has, if you look at any country that is not China because the Chinese have lied completely from the outset because that is what commie cunts do, this narrative has been proven to be false.

In some ways you're just as bad as the insane media and vapid politicians. Just another side of the same coin.

I know the number of cases alone is useless. I also know the context. Our testing capacity is several times lower than major European countries. If you have mild symptoms, and I know this from personal experience, you simply won't be tested at all, they will just tell you to drink water and sit it out. That doesn't really matter though. The important number is people on ventilation and this has quintupled within a couple weeks.

So these people on ICU. Old and fat. Obviously I don't care about someone who ate himself to death, but around here if you're old, you generally can't afford to be fat. And you know what, these people opposed communism in the streets and fucking won, then survived the miserable poverty of the 90s. They deserve dignity. And dignity means making sure they don't die in triage because we ran out of ventilators. That's all we can and should do, really. No second lockdowns, no panic, just some common effort to see that the shitty healthcare doesn't break in half.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

In some ways you're just as bad as the insane media and vapid politicians. Just another side of the same coin.

I know the number of cases alone is useless. I also know the context. Our testing capacity is several times lower than major European countries. If you have mild symptoms, and I know this from personal experience, you simply won't be tested at all, they will just tell you to drink water and sit it out. That doesn't really matter though. The important number is people on ventilation and this has quintupled within a couple weeks.

So these people on ICU. Old and fat. Obviously I don't care about someone who ate himself to death, but around here if you're old, you generally can't afford to be fat. And you know what, these people opposed communism in the streets and fucking won, then survived the miserable poverty of the 90s. They deserve dignity. And dignity means making sure they don't die in triage because we ran out of ventilators. That's all we can and should do, really. No second lockdowns, no panic, just some common effort to see that the shitty healthcare doesn't break in half.

You know, if you're just going to reply to me because you're salty I rated your post,the last one on the previous page, dumb, at least don't be a double posting bitch about it.


And as for oldiewonks deserve dignity. They hauled up boomers who eventually through their massive fuck ups, spawned and moulded the current generation of media addicted spastics who are convinced that DEATH IS EVERYWERE AND COROBA WILL KILL YOU!!!!! PUT ON YOUR MASK YOU ARE KILLING US ALL!!!!!!!".

People die. Boo hoo. It's a reflection of how egotistical people are that they are so bereft at the thought of people dying and the people losing their shit hardest need to grow the fuck up.

Edited to say, your fixation with vents is bizarre. Going on one is pretty much a death sentence with old covid patients because they are so invasive.

If its dignity you are wanting, a vent and the delaying of the inevitable with the fixation of preserving life at all costs, if only in the mechanical sense of the word with a person breathing with a tube in their throat and shutting in to a diaper and a tube and bottle collecting their piss so their output of urine can be monitored as their bodies rot and shit down is all very much the epitome of cruel, disgusting and undignified

I'm not sure why or how you came to the shoving a person on a vent is dignified but if that's your definition of that word then you misinterpreted it. Dignity would be keeping them home to die there.

 

[Yeeted Teet]

I know this has been said before, but what is all this mask-wearing and hyper-sterilization of everything in sight going to do to people's immune systems in the long run?

We're supposed to come in contact with germs/dirt to a degree to build immunity, but now that our society has gone full autistic germaphobe, will that have long-lasting repercussions? I think especially for children it could be harmful since they really need to go build up their immune systems, play outside and with each other. All this separating them in school is going to weaken them physically if it goes on too long.

I'd be more worried about what the isolation will do to children's personal development. Proper socialisation is so important for small kids and even teenagers for learning how to interact with other people, recognise social cues, etc. Keeping kids out of school and isolating them must be doing untold damage.

 

[King Dead]

I'd be more worried about what the isolation will do to children's personal development. Proper socialisation is so important for small kids and even teenagers for learning how to interact with other people, recognise social cues, etc. Keeping kids out of school and isolating them must be doing untold damage.

Not only that, but constantly changing their situation whenever a single person in their school comes down with the coof certainly isn't helping matters. NYC's school shutdowns are some of the dumbest I've seen: if a single student in a classroom gets the coof, the whole class has to go to distance learning for two weeks; if two students anywhere in the school catch it, the entire school has to go home for two weeks. That means it's virtually impossible for students to go back to school due to the almost certainty of a couple students having the Wu Flu at any given time. One wonders if that was pushed by the teachers' union to avoid having to deal with their students in person; lord knows I've heard horror stories about NYC public schools.

The importance of stability in a child's development can't be understated. I think public schools have numerous problems and they're really not the best environment for learning (by design), but remote instruction is wrought with even more problems (way too many distractions, webcams are a cheap facsimile of face-to-face communication, etc.) So even with my problems with public schools, I'd rather have kids stay in school than be forced to go back and forth between in-person and remote learning. Having a stable routine to follow that doesn't change seemingly at random will have a much more positive impact on kids than any negatives of the coof.

 

[Bosmadden]

In some ways you're just as bad as the insane media and vapid politicians. Just another side of the same coin.

I know the number of cases alone is useless. I also know the context. Our testing capacity is several times lower than major European countries. If you have mild symptoms, and I know this from personal experience, you simply won't be tested at all, they will just tell you to drink water and sit it out. That doesn't really matter though. The important number is people on ventilation and this has quintupled within a couple weeks.

So these people on ICU. Old and fat. Obviously I don't care about someone who ate himself to death, but around here if you're old, you generally can't afford to be fat. And you know what, these people opposed communism in the streets and fucking won, then survived the miserable poverty of the 90s. They deserve dignity. And dignity means making sure they don't die in triage because we ran out of ventilators. That's all we can and should do, really. No second lockdowns, no panic, just some common effort to see that the shitty healthcare doesn't break in half.

You have nothing to worry about. Western countries have already faced the worst the coof has to offer and their hospital systems were fine. Every time the numbers spike up we see hysterical reports of 'overloaded ICU's' and the like and every time they turn out to be complete bullshit.

Also spare me the nonsense about protecting the old. Where I'm from the old have been left to die in nursing homes, refused admission into hospital when the coof strikes. In other places they've even put typhoid Marys among the old and killed off thousands. These lockdowns have fuck all to do with protecting the very old and infirm, in fact it seems policy decisions are being made to kill of as many of them as possible to feed the hysteria.