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Well, more wishful thinking from my county.

Doesn't matter if the county never has another case of the ChiCom Flu. Nazi Newsom will keep moving the goalposts, keep devising ways to keep fucking with people. The ONLY way this motherfucker will stop is to be recalled or defeated for re-election. These people simply don't realize this. The primary demographic this newspaper is aimed at are the affluent/wealthy in the Carmel/Pebble Beach/Carmel Valley/Monterey, CA area. They read the stories about all the hardships being inflicted on those less affluent than themselves. They may contribute to some "drive" but otherwise don't care. They are well off, don't have to care, and they don't.

Paper's editor tries his best to point out just how badly things are fucked up here.

COUNTY REPORTS FEWEST CORONAVIRUS CASES IN FOUR MONTHS

This morning the Monterey County health department said it had confirmed 39 new coronavirus infections among county residents, bringing the total for this week to 314 — the lowest such total since June 21-27.

The 314 cases bring our 7-day average rate per 100,000 residents down to 9.7, as we creep closer to the governor's 7.0 requirement to move from the Purple Tier to the Red Tier in the state's economic shutdown scheme. (Not to worry - then the goal posts will be shifted. - JS)

This week's cases followed a familiar pattern, with 273 in Salinas and the Salinas Valley and 19 in the Monterey Peninsula, including 13 in Monterey, three in Seaside, one each in Big Sur, Pacific Grove and Marina, and none in Carmel, Pebble Beach, Carmel area or Carmel Valley. For more details, see our "Cases and Rates by Zip Code" table below.

There were three coronavirus-related fatalities in the county this week, the health department said, bringing the total during the epidemic to 78, and making the county's death rate .0001679, or 167.9 per one million residents. To compare that with other localities around the country and the world, click here. (The State of New York's rate is 1,715.7 deaths per million residents, more than ten times higher than ours.)

New hospitalizations in Monterey County were 16 during the week. On Friday, CHOMP said it had five inpatients with the virus, while earlier in the week Natividad reported seven and SVMH said it had 12.

To see the most up-to-date charts and tables from the health department, click here. Below, you can also find the updated versions of our charts showing coronavirus infections countywide and in the Monterey Peninsula, along with the data for hospitalizations and our chart breaking down Monterey County's coronavirus cases and infection rates by zip code.
 
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Fliddaroonie said:
You know, if you're just going to reply to me because you're salty I rated your post,the last one on the previous page, dumb, at least don't be a double posting bitch about it.


And as for oldiewonks deserve dignity. They hauled up boomers who eventually through their massive fuck ups, spawned and moulded the current generation of media addicted spastics who are convinced that DEATH IS EVERYWERE AND COROBA WILL KILL YOU!!!!! PUT ON YOUR MASK YOU ARE KILLING US ALL!!!!!!!".

People die. Boo hoo. It's a reflection of how egotistical people are that they are so bereft at the thought of people dying and the people losing their shit hardest need to grow the fuck up.

Edited to say, your fixation with vents is bizarre. Going on one is pretty much a death sentence with old covid patients because they are so invasive.

If its dignity you are wanting, a vent and the delaying of the inevitable with the fixation of preserving life at all costs, if only in the mechanical sense of the word with a person breathing with a tube in their throat and shutting in to a diaper and a tube and bottle collecting their piss so their output of urine can be monitored as their bodies rot and shit down is all very much the epitome of cruel, disgusting and undignified

I'm not sure why or how you came to the shoving a person on a vent is dignified but if that's your definition of that word then you misinterpreted it. Dignity would be keeping them home to die there.
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Eh, I've seen the stats, in total at least every other COVID patient put on ventilation survives. That was in the spring, it's probably better now. You're painting a terrifying picture and it's true, but they can go through this unconscious, anesthesized or sedated. It's bad, but it's a shot at survival and that's still more dignified than suffocating alone at home like you seem to want.

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You have nothing to worry about. Western countries have already faced the worst the coof has to offer and their hospital systems were fine. Every time the numbers spike up we see hysterical reports of 'overloaded ICU's' and the like and every time they turn out to be complete bullshit.

Also spare me the nonsense about protecting the old. Where I'm from the old have been left to die in nursing homes, refused admission into hospital when the coof strikes. In other places they've even put typhoid Marys among the old and killed off thousands. These lockdowns have fuck all to do with protecting the very old and infirm, in fact it seems policy decisions are being made to kill of as many of them as possible to feed the hysteria.
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First, I'm not in a Western country. Our healthcare is that much shittier, there's no comparison.

Second, yeah, I've heard, in New York they put COVID patients in care homes, in France 33% of all deaths are in nursing homes, in Belgium it's over 50%. Well here it's 10%, meaning the government is doing at least a half-decent job protecting the old guys and will keep doing so if only because they are their electorate.
 
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JosephStalin said:
Well, more wishful thinking from my county.
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And even more wishful thinking from mine:


SAGE expert adds to British Medical Association calls to make masks mandatory OUTSIDE: Doctors call for tougher nationwide rules including restricted alcohol sales and limiting the 'rule of six' to two households​


  • SAGE scientist Calum Semple said that people 'should be wearing a mask' even when they are outside
  • BMA chairman Dr Chaand Nagpaul has called for face coverings to be made mandatory outdoors and indoors




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Up to this point I always suspected that my government was fucking with me via psyops through the media. You know, prod, poke, see what reaction you get. Tell them you are you going to do crazy things that you have no plan on actually doing, just to see how they kick back. Bit like when you are torturing someone, you tell them you will burn them alive, but in fact, you already know that you are just going to shoot them (or so I read once in a book).

Now I suspect no more. I know that they are fucking with us on a wider level again compared to Covid. And by that very argument it makes everything thing they have to say about this bullshit null and void. They had me, they had me good. But they just had to jump the fucking shark.

This is what jumping the shark looks like: masks in public walking down the road in the rural countryside, or else imprisonment. So they imply, they don't really say. It's all left up to our wild imaginations. I refuse to be outraged. Oh and I won't be wearing a mask in public, just in case they are serious. And yes, you can fine me, and no I won't pay it, and yes I will go to prison to prove that point. Just try me motherfuckers.

Talk about taking the piss.

Talk about wishful thinking.

Good fucking luck with that one boyos.
 
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Thanks to the remnants of Delta, I'm under tornado watch and seeing rotations forming near me.
Time to go to the local tornado shelter!
Except its closed, because of the "we have to prevent the spread of Wuflu".
Fuck this thing for screwing the priorities of everyone, why is preventing a sickness more important than easily preventing a major loss of lives from weather? Fuck.

E: forgot to add, its underground, while my house is surrounded by trees. People has better chances going to the shelter, than hunkering down at home.
 
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knobslobbin said:
As many areas prepare for shutdown 2.0, it is important to remember that big tech is censoring the fact that science is not behind shutdowns: https://www.zerohedge.com/technolog...acism-google-has-memory-hole-great-barrington
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Every time you try and argue with someone over the basic logical fallacies behind a shutdown (but why can we do this and not this? does the virus not exist here but only here? etc.), it quickly unravels like a ball of yarn, and the person ends up sputtering "b-b-but SAFETY!" and "but RISKS!" and none of it makes any sense.

Like how bowling alleys and indoors malls are somehow considered "safer" than gyms or movie theaters, or how indoor stuff is restricted even though most people will just find ways to do the same thing anyway....and the infection rate ODDLY stays the same.

Like how you can eat inside and take off your totem mask, yet if you sit in a movie theater for an hour spaced out and alone and away from people, the risk factor apparently goes up 100000000000x

Like how we shut down things to sterilize them when it doesn't really spread via surfaces, nor does it really spread outside yet everyone is still masked up on their walks in the neighborhood.

None of it makes any sense. People forget the goalposts moved because they're memory holing everything out of paranoia. It's like mass psychosis.
 
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JosephStalin said:
More insanity coming from Nazi Newsom. May have mentioned this yesterday. This bastard is fixated on fucking over as many people as he can for as long as he can.
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Gotta wonder why they want to cause problems. It's almost like they're trying to handicap a certain administration in the event they get re-elected while simultaneously funneling money into the oligopoly they serve.

This is pretty juicy https://www.aier.org/article/reddits-censorship-of-the-great-barrington-declaration/ https://gbdeclaration.org/
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Hoi Polloi said:
I'd be more worried about what the isolation will do to children's personal development. Proper socialisation is so important for small kids and even teenagers for learning how to interact with other people, recognise social cues, etc. Keeping kids out of school and isolating them must be doing untold damage.
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Nothing good. It's not just about missing schoolwork and falling behind, school is about, like you say, socialising children properly. And then you've got how the paranoia is affecting parents and being passed onto kids too. Not even intentionally, but when parents are stressed and worried, they pass it on, kids are sponges like that. I'd imagine we'll be dealing with the harm this has caused for a very long time indeed after this all passes. And psychological trauma at any age is awful, but when it happens in childhood it becomes so much harder to treat, manage and eventually solve.

It's so much more than "just sit at home and wait it out", the harm that is being done to these children in the meantime is going to be massive.
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And even more wishful thinking from mine:


SAGE expert adds to British Medical Association calls to make masks mandatory OUTSIDE: Doctors call for tougher nationwide rules including restricted alcohol sales and limiting the 'rule of six' to two households​


  • SAGE scientist Calum Semple said that people 'should be wearing a mask' even when they are outside
  • BMA chairman Dr Chaand Nagpaul has called for face coverings to be made mandatory outdoors and indoors




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Up to this point I always suspected that my government was fucking with me via psyops through the media. You know, prod, poke, see what reaction you get. Tell them you are you going to do crazy things that you have no plan on actually doing, just to see how they kick back. Bit like when you are torturing someone, you tell them you will burn them alive, but in fact, you already know that you are just going to shoot them (or so I read once in a book).

Now I suspect no more. I know that they are fucking with us on a wider level again compared to Covid. And by that very argument it makes everything thing they have to say about this bullshit null and void. They had me, they had me good. But they just had to jump the fucking shark.

This is what jumping the shark looks like: masks in public walking down the road in the rural countryside, or else imprisonment. So they imply, they don't really say. It's all left up to our wild imaginations. I refuse to be outraged. Oh and I won't be wearing a mask in public, just in case they are serious. And yes, you can fine me, and no I won't pay it, and yes I will go to prison to prove that point. Just try me motherfuckers.

Talk about taking the piss.

Talk about wishful thinking.

Good fucking luck with that one boyos.
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Here's a question for you: If the virus is like such totes super srs bsn guise, why are the mask wearers allowed to put their used masks in regular trash cans? Why are there not yellow biohazard bins peppering the country? Why are the Government not making people change them multiple times a day like medical staff have to??


Could it possibly be that 1. It's not and 2. Masks don't do shit? Cos if they were effective and if the virus was so super duper contagious, why are people just tossing their masks in a regular old bin??
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They could just be doing another shut down to prevent butt hurt riots coming up this election. :thinking:
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Well, yeah, but as if that's actually worked so far, right? I ddin't see any real effort to get the BLM protesters back indoors, did you? Again, if it's all so superduper serious why didn't they crack down on that shit, more so seeing as how black people are, cos of their shit tier health and diets and propensity for being fat, more likely to die of it?
 
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Toxic Masculinity. Literally.

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Coronavirus Safety Runs Into a Stubborn Barrier: Masculinity

When political leaders suggest basic precautions appear unmanly, men are less likely to follow health and safety advice, experts say.
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Coronavirus Safety Runs Into a Stubborn Barrier: Masculinity
When political leaders suggest basic precautions appear unmanly, men are less likely to follow health and safety advice, experts say.


Supporters of President Trump crowded together for an indoor rally in Henderson, Nev., on Sept. 13.
Supporters of President Trump crowded together for an indoor rally in Henderson, Nev., on Sept. 13.Credit...Jonathan Ernst/Reuters
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By Daniel Victor
Oct. 10, 2020

On Tuesday, and not for the first time, Joseph R. Biden Jr. described President Trump’s reluctant attitude toward wearing masks as “macho.”

Tomi Lahren, a conservative commentator and Fox Nation host, countered that Mr. Biden “might as well carry a purse with that mask.”

They were among the most direct comments yet that have tied stereotypes about acting and appearing manly to the basic precautions that doctors, epidemiologists and other health experts recommend to prevent infection by the highly contagious and deadly coronavirus.

The theme has been there since the beginning of the pandemic. Some experts who study masculinity and public health say the perception that wearing masks and following social distancing guidelines are unmanly has carried a destructive cost. The virus has infected more men than women and killed far more of them.


The experts say the best public health practices have collided with several of the social demands men in many cultures are pressured to follow to assert their masculinity: displaying strength instead of weakness, showing a willingness to take risks, hiding their fear, appearing to be in control.

Men’s resistance to showing weakness — and their tendency to take risks — was demonstrated by scientists long before Covid-19. Studies have shown men are less likely than women to wear seatbelts and helmets, or to get flu shots. They’re more likely to speed or drive drunk. They are less likely to seek out medical care.

Some initial research indicates a similar pattern is playing out with the coronavirus. Surveys have found that women are more likely than men to wear masks in the United States. And recent polls have found men give higher marks to President Trump than women on his handling of the pandemic.

“To admit you’re threatened is to appear weak, so you have to have this bravado,” said Peter Glick, a professor of social sciences at Lawrence University. If you wear a mask, he said, “the underlying message is: ‘I’m afraid of catching this disease.’”

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Mr. Trump tends to reject anything that can be read as a sign of weakness or lack of control. His behavior and comments after his own hospitalization, amid a widening outbreak within his circle, have also exposed a White House that flouted the basic precautions endorsed by its own health experts.

And many American men who look up to Mr. Trump are taking his cues, choosing to forgo protective measures that health officials say are crucial to slowing the spread of the virus.


This is not a new problem for those who work in public health messaging. Stacey Hust, an associate professor of communication at Washington State University, said prevention campaigns around sexual assault often try to appeal to masculine ideals, making better behaviors “worthy of the alpha male.”

It tends to be more difficult to reach those who identify strongly with traditional masculine characteristics. As an example, the more someone identifies with those masculine traits, the less likely that person will be to use condoms during sex, she said.

“I think that translates really clearly into why some men choose not to wear masks,” she said. “It’s really about not wanting to show weakness or fear, not wanting to show any vulnerability.”

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Mr. Biden, who has modeled wearing masks and adhering to social distancing guidelines, has consistently criticized Mr. Trump for his approach to his personal coronavirus precautions. In May, he called Mr. Trump “falsely masculine” for his refusal to wear a mask, and said the precaution connoted leadership, not weakness.

At first, Mr. Trump would not wear a mask in public. On very rare occasions he has been photographed in one, but has continued to play down their effectiveness.

He has mocked Mr. Biden for his mask use, and made a show of removing his mask while on a White House balcony when he returned from Walter Reed National Military Medical Center on Monday. He has also continued to host large campaign rallies and other events that don’t follow recommended social distancing guidelines.


Theresa Vescio, a professor of psychology and women’s, gender and sexuality studies at Penn State University, said Mr. Trump has frequently engaged in “masculinity contests” as a president and candidate.

He has demeaned male rivals — repeatedly referring to former Mayor Michael R. Bloomberg as “Mini Mike,” for one — and in the 2016 Republican primary defended the size of his penis after an attack by Senator Marco Rubio.

And Republicans have successfully staked ground as the party for men who take their masculinity seriously. In research with Nathaniel Schermerhorn, a graduate student at Penn State, Professor Vescio has found that the degree to which someone endorses traditional masculine ideals — including women who value traditionally masculine men — very strongly correlates with identifying as a Republican. Polls show Mr. Trump attracts more support from men than from women.

“Republicans have been doing this since 2016, effectively feminizing or suggesting Democrats have masculine shortcomings,” she said.


Many of Mr. Trump’s supporters admire his aggressive style, Professor Glick said, and see him as a model of male dominance.

It was a lost opportunity early in the pandemic. The president could have used that authority to change the perception of masks and other precautions among those who value traditional masculine traits, he said.

“It certainly would have helped,” Professor Glick said. “But at this point, it’s hard to go back.”

Daniel Victor is a London-based reporter, covering a wide variety of stories with a focus on breaking news. He joined The Times in 2012 from ProPublica. @bydanielvictor
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Update: I live! Thankfully, no tornado touchdown! Still a bit miffed that the underground shelter remained closed throughout the whole warnings and watches because "We have to prevent the spread of Covid" instead of preventing major loss of lives.
Can't say the same about other areas, though... No deaths reported yet, but it was so bad that power was off throughout the whole day, cars got stuck and moved in roads, bunch of debris and fallen trees, a house's wall fell (but thankfully no injuries), and a school got destroyed. 6-10 touchdowns reported so far.
 
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King Dead said:
The importance of stability in a child's development can't be understated. I think public schools have numerous problems and they're really not the best environment for learning (by design), but remote instruction is wrought with even more problems (way too many distractions, webcams are a cheap facsimile of face-to-face communication, etc.)
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An ex-marine I know shares these sentiments in that education should secondarily teach students the importance of the structure that comes with set schedules and daily routines because these traits are essential for adult living. The lack of such is probably a key reason why we see so many younger people post how "Adulting is so hard." I don't think structure should be impressed upon so hard it turns students into mere cogs in an assembly-line style environment, but students need to know that most jobs and adult situations have structure and fixed schedules as their basis.

I wish I had captured it at the time, but there seems to been a social media meme of sorts going around discouraging teachers to require students to have their cams on during online lessons because there are students that might be homeless or living in poor conditions that they might not want others to see or be aware of. On one hand, those situations do exist and kids do tend to feel more shame about being "different" than their peers; on the other, this sounds more like a SocJus statement on -ist behavior than something with good intentions behind it.

I suppose this ties in with the second part of what @King Dead posted. There's so much variation in home learning environments that will be further exacerbated with remote learning. Not everyone can afford or properly maintain a device that supports the requisite hardware/software needed for remote learning, and I'm not sure how decent public school-issue devices -- whether ChromeBooks or something else -- are if they're shared without proper security and privacy protocols in place.

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I'd rather have kids stay in school than be forced to go back and forth between in-person and remote learning. Having a stable routine to follow that doesn't change seemingly at random will have a much more positive impact on kids than any negatives of the coof.
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I think some school districts tried to give people the choice of in-person and remote learning, but it didn't always work the way it was intended, especially with teachers unions claiming in-person learning was inherently unsafe and others shaming or actively discouraging families from in-person learning even when it was the best choice for some families.

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Every time you try and argue with someone over the basic logical fallacies behind a shutdown (but why can we do this and not this? does the virus not exist here but only here? etc.), it quickly unravels like a ball of yarn, and the person ends up sputtering "b-b-but SAFETY!" and "but RISKS!" and none of it makes any sense.
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Unfortunately, a fair number of the people that are still pro-shutdown are so entrenched with what mainstream media reports that they're either unwilling or unable to consider alternative viewpoints. Another issue is that people that let their emotions control their decision making tend to be unpersuaded by logical arguments no matter how articulate or well -presented those arguments may be.

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None of it makes any sense.
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There's several issues at play here.
  • The internet makes it easy to spread fear, uncertainty, doubt, and flat out misinformation.
  • Organizations such as WHO and the CDC update their directives and recommendations without elaborating on any sort of research/medical basis for their updated guidelines. What we know about COVID has changed over time, but those in the know seem unwilling to share that information publicly -- especially when it doesn't support "the narrative."
  • The mishmash of conflicting directives or orders. Take masks, for example. People were told to avoid N95 masks because healthcare workers need them while in scarce supply. Later, we learned there was a glut of them. Next, people were told any cloth covering can be worn to comply with mask orders. Later, people get told they aren't effective or that private entities can reject certain coverings as unacceptable. The combination of all this has the average normie confused 🤷‍♂️ , unsure what to do, and often choosing to do nothing or as little as possible when it comes to their area's COVID-specific directives.
As an example of the confusion that leads to the lack of sense, my county issued a mask order that states people don't have to wear masks outdoors if they won't be less than six feet away from anyone. If I understand the recently-issued mask order issued by our state department of health, it requires masks outdoors unless someone fits into one of the exceptions -- even if nobody will come within six feet of someone. Which directive applies? What if someone heard about the county order and not the statewide one?

It'd be better if the state department of health adopted a set of guidelines that were required by all counties and another list of guidelines that could be implemented on a county by county basis to minimize the overlap and confusion. But that's apparently too logical for government entities. *sigh*
 
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