Trashfire Adam Kovic & Ryan Haywood (The Dead Pixel / Koko / Pikovic, and James Ryan Haywoood / Iron Ryan / The Mad King / Vagabond) - Rooster Teeth associates who've sent horrifying nudes behind their families' backs in what looks like a gay catfish

[knifeprimage]

I hate to throw any doubt upon this, but those aren't the same accounts, are they? They end in different numbers (233 vs 736) and have different followers/following ratios.

Naw, doubt is good.

Entirely possible she's chasing clout and totally lying and somehow doctored it. I still get the same voice from the messages and will be watching to see if she posts anything further (because I still don't think this is the last of it).

 

[Lox]

agreed, although apparently there was conflict between lawerence and steven suptic due to steven suptic's content making process involving just going to the funhaus office whenever he wanted, even if they were busy doing something.

shame though, SP7 were really funny and they were one of the few people in RT who aren't boomers. they definitely felt more relatable to the average teenager than AH or FH. it was funny though how steven suptic's arc starting with a video about leaving sourcefed and then barely a few years later leaving roosterteeth. in a really ironic and sad way.

edit: forgot to mention i think adam will most likely have a normal life in a year or two. yeah he likes shoving things up his ass but at the rate the internet forgets things he'll probably manage to get a job editing for some inside gaming-esque company. maybe even start producing content, who knows.

I really liked SP7's first year or so of vids. They were just extremely entertaining little bits about a few friends and stuff they'd do in what seemed like their free time. Eventually though it got kind of weird and the "narrative" was a problem for me. I can't really remember cause it's been a while but there was like one video where Cib murdered one of the guys or something and then things got really dramatic and I just kinda checked out after that cause it was kind of cringe and felt like it didn't belong.

Sometimes it felt like they were almost too cool you know? Like it was a little hard to relate to them occasionally cause they were like these LA art hoes. It's a shame about what happened, but at least all those dudes were very talented, much more so than the average RT schmuck, and I have no doubt they could all find good work elsewhere in the industry around LA.

 

[Most Dumbest Bitch]

Yep thats it, I don't see the body language, not saying its not there, I just don't see it. I just want to be clear I'm not defending him, just wanted to chime in some throughts I've had.

I can understand not noticing it, but honestly, the cues of their body language seem quite obvious to me on rewatching the specific clip of them talking about Ryan. Not sure what you're seeing, but this is what I noticed (and forgive the over-analysis):

- Firstly, the fact that Gavin and Jeremy are dead silent for the entire second half of the video. Geoff and Ray throw in little comments here and there, and I think Andy Blanchard speaks maybe once after the midpoint of the video, but most of the speaking is done by Michael.

- When Michael's talking about Ryan wanting to stay an extra day to "sleep in," Geoff looks off into the distance sort of absently, like he's thinking hard about something, and continues doing so even after he turns his head to look at Michael. Jeremy does the same thing, but he's biting his nails and his lip while staring hard at the table; all of those things are common tells of anxiety (not that he has anxiety, but that he may have been feeling anxious in the moment).

- When Ray says "that sounds like a cry for help from Ryan," he's sort of smiling at first, but the smile drops pretty quickly after he says it.

- Michael seems to realize that he fucked up mid-sentence (particularly after he says that Ryan wants to avoid going back to "that nightmare," i.e. his family) and tries to cover it up by saying that Ryan clearly loves his kids because they show up in his streams so much. Ray responds pretty quickly that showing the kids off in streams is "easy money," and he's making a weird face that's definitely not a smile at that point.

- And, of course, that painfully awkward silence at the end. Geoff lets out a giant sigh (which does sound troubled, honestly), Jeremy takes a huge swig of his drink, Ray is staring at Michael and shaking his head repeatedly, and everyone else just looks really uncomfortable. Michael's comment that they "didn't 'Jack' Ryan" seems to be an indicator to change the subject, and they almost immediately do so; Fiona just so happens to show up with a puppy immediately after Michael says this, which seems... weirdly convenient.

This is all complete conjecture, of course, but there is a clear air of discomfort in this little moment right before Fiona brings in the puppy. I can't specify why, exactly, but it's pretty clear that at least a few of them realized that something was up during this conversation.

 

[theworstkindofeurofag]

Remember: He never wanted to hurt anyone. He only made the girls bleed a couple of times. He only choke-fucked them a few times. Clearly all of that was unintentional.

Now, who's the real victim here, huh?

 

[AuxPersonality]

I can understand not noticing it, but honestly, the cues of their body language seem quite obvious to me on rewatching the specific clip of them talking about Ryan. Not sure what you're seeing, but this is what I noticed (and forgive the over-analysis):

- Firstly, the fact that Gavin and Jeremy are dead silent for the entire second half of the video. Geoff and Ray throw in little comments here and there, and I think Andy Blanchard speaks maybe once after the midpoint of the video, but most of the speaking is done by Michael.

- When Michael's talking about Ryan wanting to stay an extra day to "sleep in," Geoff looks off into the distance sort of absently, like he's thinking hard about something, and continues doing so even after he turns his head to look at Michael. Jeremy does the same thing, but he's biting his nails and his lip while staring hard at the table; all of those things are common tells of anxiety (not that he has anxiety, but that he may have been feeling anxious in the moment).

- When Ray says "that sounds like a cry for help from Ryan," he's sort of smiling at first, but the smile drops pretty quickly after he says it.

- Michael seems to realize that he fucked up mid-sentence (particularly after he says that Ryan wants to avoid going back to "that nightmare," i.e. his family) and tries to cover it up by saying that Ryan clearly loves his kids because they show up in his streams so much. Ray responds pretty quickly that showing the kids off in streams is "easy money," and he's making a weird face that's definitely not a smile at that point.

- And, of course, that painfully awkward silence at the end. Geoff lets out a giant sigh (which does sound troubled, honestly), Jeremy takes a huge swig of his drink, Ray is staring at Michael and shaking his head repeatedly, and everyone else just looks really uncomfortable. Michael's comment that they "didn't 'Jack' Ryan" seems to be an indicator to change the subject, and they almost immediately do so; Fiona just so happens to show up with a puppy immediately after Michael says this, which seems... weirdly convenient.

This is all complete conjecture, of course, but there is a clear air of discomfort in this little moment right before Fiona brings in the puppy. I can't specify why, exactly, but it's pretty clear that at least a few of them realized that something was up during this conversation.

I honestly might just be blind to it because I'm a fan and watch so much of their content and to me its just the guys having a chat. Maybe its that case of being to close to something to see it clearly? This could be a good example of why so much of the fan base didnt catch on. Or I'm just fucking stupid.

 

[Ghostse]

I think the distinction is moot in itself, honestly. It doesn't really matter WHY a person is going after teenage girls, especially with a significant age gap between them - if they're 18 or older and dipping below the age of consent, then something's fucked up with them, and someone 21 or older doing so is way beyond the realm of acceptability for most people. Ryan is almost 40, and has been going after teenage girls since his mid 30s (and that's assuming this only started at the earliest time we know, in 2016; we don't know when this behavior started for sure). That's not normal or acceptable behavior given the power dynamics between them, and despite what he said to the contrary, he has a recurring pattern and targets the same type of people, so he clearly knows exactly what he's doing and why he's doing it.

On top of that, he's clearly got a vested interest in the DDLG stuff, and even called the anonymous girl stuff like "little girl" and "kiddo," both of which are definitely not terms that a non-pedo would use to describe their significant other. (EDIT: I was gonna get into this more, but got ninja'd so I just cut it short.)

I'm not looking into getting into splitting hairs over this asshole, but I guess the distinction is a good portion actual pedos/ephebos, unless they've just gone full mental, they realize the shit they are thinking/feeling or trying to do is wrong.
When its a guy who gets off control, they justify it however they can. Younger targets are just coincidental.

Just general :autism: of making sure people are getting roasted for the shit they're actually guilty of instead of mob furor, even when they're creep lords.

The DD/lg shit about calling them Kiddo and shit seems more like he's leaning into the age gap, playing to the daddy issues and challenging them to prove him wrong that they are adults.

Granted I've just been skimming the lurid details dumps, so maybe they do mention he does do creep shit with them and I missed it.

Regardless of what you want to call him, though, the man is a sexual predator, and the thing about predators is that they will pursue any target that fits their mold and that is a convenient pick for them. Some pedos are pedos because they have a specific preference for kids; some pedos are pedos because kids are easier targets to go after than adults who will generally know how to defend themselves and/or call for help if necessary. Doesn't really change the fact that both are pedos regardless. The same logic applies to Ryan.

That's a 100% agree.

This isn't just a case of "Look, I can only say no so may times" or "moment of weakness" or "I felt a connection with this one". He's targeting these girls and he's got a VERY clear type.

 

[Wilhelm Bittrich]

...I have no doubt they could all find good work elsewhere in the industry around LA.

As it becomes more obvious by the day that this industry consists mostly of degenerates, yeah sure shouldn't be a problem to find another job in this ocean of filth.

 

[Lox]

Fine. Now get over him, you stupid cunt. Your last messages shared here were lame. I absolutely believe he creeped on you, and you deserve credit for not biting, but you're also not doing yourself any favors by acting like a battered wife when you really aren't.

"I can't leave him! I luvvvvv him!!!"

Goddamn, I don't hate women, but they can be really stupid sometimes. Especially the young ones.

I mean it really is pathetic right? She's "putting him on blast" on her twitter like she's some badass bitch when we've literally seen her groveling at this gamer dad's feet and telling him she still loves (omega cringe) him.

 

[Mason Verger]

I honestly might just be blind to it because I'm a fan and watch so much of their content and to me its just the guys having a chat. Maybe its that case of being to close to something to see it clearly? This could be a good example of why so much of the fan base didnt catch on. Or I'm just fucking stupid.

I was more of a FH viewer, but I’ve tried to watch a few off-topics and they always seem slightly awkward with a weird mood. Maybe it’s the “forced hang-out” vibe, but yeah, they’re always a little weird in off-topics that I’ve seen, which I why I don’t get why people watch them. So my eyes aren’t seeing anything different here either.

 

[Bob_]

SP7 getting unceremoniously shitcanned was the beginning of the end for RT Los Angeles. Kinda exposed the disposable nature of the system, killed moral at the FH office and almost certainly made Bruce leave the company. Then you got the slow, lingering death of cow chop, Sonntag bouncing and now this with Adam. Nothing can grow in LA. It’s just a place where things go to die now.

Funhaus were in LA for a long time before SP7 and Cow Chop, I think Funhaus work out of the Fullscreen offices now. I'm not really up on where the Funhaus views are atm, but I think they will survive this. They may need to employ more primary on-air talent though, and install some anti-jerkoff cameras in the offices

 

[ChristianKiwi]

Naw, doubt is good.

Entirely possible she's chasing clout and totally lying and somehow doctored it. I still get the same voice from the messages and will be watching to see if she posts anything further (because I still don't think this is the last of it).

It appears to me that Ryan never puts 4 periods in his ellipsis which he does twice in his messages to her.
He also, as far I know, never ends the final line of his messages with periods. This accuser seems to do the latter and so does the Ryan she's talking to.
He also... puts a space between the first word of the next sentence and his ellipsis....whereas this Ryan doesn't.

Either:
1) The stress is getting to him or this girl has some serious dirt and he's slipping out of habits. (x)
2) He slightly does code switching to match how his victims type to manipulate them. (maybe, but doesn't seem to be a thing)
3) She's definitely faking.

Edit: Errors

 

[Retarded INTP]

She was too dense to understand that we wanted her to have sex with Ryan

Haha ok, fuck this particular person. Our shitty shady sex schemes didn't work, she must be fucking stupid for sure, amarite ? Christ. We are reaching the very bottom of the pit, and we are so deep that we might as well find some oil, which is a miraculous opportunity in this dead-ass economy. Thanks, I guess, retard.

 

[Pizdec]

I can't really remember cause it's been a while but there was like one video where Cib murdered one of the guys or something and then things got really dramatic and I just kinda checked out after that cause it was kind of cringe and felt like it didn't belong.

the funny part about that:

It was meant to be more then one part, but I think Stephen and crew realized how botched it seemed and didn't bother to continue wth it.

 

[Captain Manning]

I don't think he's a pedo/Ephebo or w/e. Well, not exactly.

My classification of him as an ephebophile does not preclude him being attracted to older women. Only that he IS attracted to older teenagers. Even if not exclusively so.

Ryan is almost 40, and has been going after teenage girls since his mid 30s (and that's assuming this only started at the earliest time we know, in 2016; we don't know when this behavior started for sure). That's not normal or acceptable behavior given the power dynamics between them, and despite what he said to the contrary, he has a recurring pattern and targets the same type of people, so he clearly knows exactly what he's doing and why he's doing it.

This issue, for me, has less to do with "power dynamics," and more to do with the fact teenagers are retards and can easily be taken advantage of. Regardless of how powerful the person taking liberty is. I don't see this in terms of just raw age differential, or disparate social standing.

My position is ridiculously simple: Adults shouldn't be fucking minors.

For example, I don't mind Ryan fucking his 28 year old mod (by her consent). Had it stopped there, this thread would be boring.

But it doesn't stop there. And she helped ensure it didn't stop there.

I think this "power dynamics" thing is perhaps a little gay. Looking for sympathy, his mod played up the fact that he is her "boss." Bitch. You moderate an e-celeb's YouTube channel (or whatever the fuck it was), for free. You're 28. Grow up. Walk away. There's no credible power dynamic there, and a late 20 something fucking a late 30 something isn't that out of line.

 

[theshep]

This issue, for me, has less to do with "power dynamics," and more to do with the fact teenagers are retards and can easily be taken advantage of. Regardless of how powerful the person taking liberty is. I don't see this in terms of just raw age differential, or disparate social standing.

This is a byproduct of YouTube making regular nobodies 'famous'.

I'm sure these guys aren't the first YouTubers to take advantage of their 'fans', nor will they be the last.

 

[central police services]

My classification of him as an ephebophile does not preclude him being attracted to older women. Only that he IS attracted to older teenagers. Even if not exclusively so.



This issue, for me, has less to do with "power dynamics," and more to do with the fact teenagers are retards and can easily be taken advantage of. Regardless of how powerful the person taking liberty is. I don't see this in terms of just raw age differential, or disparate social standing.

My position is ridiculously simple: Adults shouldn't be fucking minors.

For example, I don't mind Ryan fucking his 28 year old mod (by her consent). Had it stopped there, this thread would be boring.

But it doesn't stop there. And she helped ensure it didn't stop there.

I think this "power dynamics" thing is perhaps a little gay. Looking for sympathy, his mod played up the fact that he is her "boss." Bitch. You moderate an e-celeb's YouTube channel (or whatever the fuck it was), for free. You're 28. Grow up. Walk away. There's no credible power dynamic there, and a late 20 something fucking a late 30 something isn't that out of line.

I agree 100%. It's pretty clear cut and seemingly unanimously agreeable Ryan is a predator and potentially could be prosecuted for victim 7 or whichever one was 17 in California, but this full grown adult is fucking pathetic. You're nearly 30 and you believe moderating some stupid youtube livestream has such a death-grip on you that you have no other choice than to fuck the streamer to preserve your livelihood? It's safe to assume she had some IRL job during this time period in which these implications would actually apply at said job, but as stated she's doing this for free in her free time. As far as I can tell she was a fully grown consenting adult aware of his marital status, yet chose to sleep with him. And now she chooses to hide behind the actual victims in this fiasco, the young girls, hoping to escape judgment and elicit sympathy? Inexplicably despicable.

 

[Butter]

I think this "power dynamics" thing is perhaps a little gay. Looking for sympathy, his mod played up the fact that he is her "boss." Bitch. You moderate an e-celeb's YouTube channel, for free. You're 28. Grow up. Walk away. There's no credible power dynamic there, and a late 20 something fucking a late 30 something isn't that out of line.

Wait, this was for free? Yeah, no. If that's the case then my sympathy for her just went to 0. I thought her livelihood depended on this. That and the fact she tried to get Ryan more victims makes her a cunt. Even the way she wrote her experience was way too dramatic and trying to paint herself as a victim. She's a manipulative cunt as well.

If Ryan is Epstein, then she isn't one of his victims, she's Ghislaine Maxwell.

However, that doesn't change the fact that James Ryan Haywood is a predator, statutory rapist, manipulator, creep, sex pest and pathetic little fuck who is still trying to talk to these girls in hopes his name won't be tarnished forever.

Edit: Forgot predator.

 

[Dumb beast]

Funhaus were in LA for a long time before SP7 and Cow Chop, I think Funhaus work out of the Fullscreen offices now. I'm not really up on where the Funhaus views are atm, but I think they will survive this. They may need to employ more primary on-air talent though, and install some anti-jerkoff cameras in the offices

Nah, they're dead, they were never they famous despite the RT continuous peddling for promotion.
Back when they were good they were overlooked and now they aren't good.

I can understand not noticing it, but honestly, the cues of their body language seem quite obvious to me on rewatching the specific clip of them talking about Ryan. Not sure what you're seeing, but this is what I noticed (and forgive the over-analysis):

- Firstly, the fact that Gavin and Jeremy are dead silent for the entire second half of the video. Geoff and Ray throw in little comments here and there, and I think Andy Blanchard speaks maybe once after the midpoint of the video, but most of the speaking is done by Michael.

- When Michael's talking about Ryan wanting to stay an extra day to "sleep in," Geoff looks off into the distance sort of absently, like he's thinking hard about something, and continues doing so even after he turns his head to look at Michael. Jeremy does the same thing, but he's biting his nails and his lip while staring hard at the table; all of those things are common tells of anxiety (not that he has anxiety, but that he may have been feeling anxious in the moment).

- When Ray says "that sounds like a cry for help from Ryan," he's sort of smiling at first, but the smile drops pretty quickly after he says it.

- Michael seems to realize that he fucked up mid-sentence (particularly after he says that Ryan wants to avoid going back to "that nightmare," i.e. his family) and tries to cover it up by saying that Ryan clearly loves his kids because they show up in his streams so much. Ray responds pretty quickly that showing the kids off in streams is "easy money," and he's making a weird face that's definitely not a smile at that point.

- And, of course, that painfully awkward silence at the end. Geoff lets out a giant sigh (which does sound troubled, honestly), Jeremy takes a huge swig of his drink, Ray is staring at Michael and shaking his head repeatedly, and everyone else just looks really uncomfortable. Michael's comment that they "didn't 'Jack' Ryan" seems to be an indicator to change the subject, and they almost immediately do so; Fiona just so happens to show up with a puppy immediately after Michael says this, which seems... weirdly convenient.

This is all complete conjecture, of course, but there is a clear air of discomfort in this little moment right before Fiona brings in the puppy. I can't specify why, exactly, but it's pretty clear that at least a few of them realized that something was up during this conversation.

Rate me autistic, but this post kinda reminded me to one of my favorite scenes ever in tv

In this scene a character dies at the hand of a serial killer/rapist, and everyone just feels it while it happens, like they feel the mood.

 

[Intelligent Calcium]

This is a byproduct of YouTube making regular nobodies 'famous'.

I'm sure these guys aren't the first YouTubers to take advantage of their 'fans', nor will they be the last.

Ecelebs groom their underage fans via social media, regular celebs take their private jet to pedo rape island. The degeneracy is the same, only the scale differs.

 

[Captain Chorizo]

I'm not sure if anybody else already clocked this, but Jess Kovic (Adam Kovic's wife and lumpy butt extraordinaire) has deleted all pictures of Adam from her Instagram account:
https://ig.tinf.io/jess_kovic/?hl=en

She forgot to update her website. Adam was on her last podcast from Sep 14 where they talk about camping and 3D printing. Their relationship comes up here and there in between but nothing too exciting. For anyone interested:
https://www.jesskovic.com/podcast | archive
direct link to mp3