Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Mister Dongs]

There is not one Comicsgate, there are at least three comicsgates.

I'd say that there were three stages that Comicsgate went through as an autistic comic book revolutionary movement.
The first was the reactionary stage , where a bunch of people like Douglas Ernst, Diversity & Comics, Yellowflash, Cummings, Just Some Guy and others were reacting to what they saw from the mainstream, including abusive creators, substandard product, silencing of criticism, enforced political messaging and inefficient and dying business model. But while there was plenty of consensus that these problems existed, there was little regarding how to remedy them.

Second was the activist stage, when it was felt that boycotts and criticism weren't resulting in change and action was needed. But what kind of action specifically? Vox Day and others felt that far-right content and creators was needed to balance the far-left political hegemony in the comic book establishment. Warcampaign drew people who were drawn to a message based on customer respect absolutism. Then there were more people who sided with free speech absolutism, or supporting Christian content and creators as well as those who were constructivists that argued that only a functioning, superior business model could conceivably triumph over the existing order, a philosophy held most notably Frog, Zack and Mitch Breitweiser.

Third is the current, developed stage, where Frog's specific interpretation eventually came out on top in this contest of what was the best way to go about things,, and the remaining differences now being narrowed to cliques and competing schools of thought. The latest innovation popping up right now is celebrity collaboration with Expendables, BRZRKR and Brice's unnamed project.

 

[Brother Maynard]

The latest innovation popping up right now is celebrity collaboration with Expendables, BRZRKR and Brice's unnamed project.

None of those are CG.

Zack stopped using CG over a year ago.
The BRZRKR crew would vomit at the notion of being CG.
Brice seems to have noped out on CG as well, or at least on EVS. Probably because EVS never delivered that Brand 2 cover he promised, but who knows.

 

[A nameless trool]

None of those are CG.

Zack stopped using CG over a year ago.
The BRZRKR crew would vomit at the notion of being CG.
Brice seems to have noped out on CG as well, or at least on EVS. Probably because EVS never delivered that Brand 2 cover he promised, but who knows.

There is CG as a label, CG as a movement and CG as a vaster situation. BRZRKR is not labeled as CG, is not part of the CG movement but is probably a product of the CG business model.

 

[GranDuke]

Its not like CG invented crowdfunding for comics.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

Zack stopped using CG over a year ago.

Let's see what happens once his channel is "rebranded" to nothing but him talking about mailing machines and breakfast burritos. I give him two weeks of twelve views per video before his tune changes.

The BRZRKR crew would vomit at the notion of being CG.

Yet the same people that screech about CG when they're not screeching about Drumpf had a complete meltdown over the book's success. I mean, look at all the money he doubtless siphoned away from far more worthy projects like Bikes Not Rockets: Feminist Bicycle Science Fiction, Trans-Galactic Bike Ride: Feminist Bicycle Science Fiction Stories of Transgender and Nonbinary Adventurers, etc.

 

[CapeKnight]

Its not like CG invented crowdfunding for comics.

No, it didn't. Doug TenNapel was doing it before CG, BUT, and this is a big BUT. You cannot deny that CG popularized it in the comic scene. Shit, I didn't think of the crowdfunding scene as a particularly good place to finance a comic until the model that's evolved so far like @Mister Dongs has detailed actually proves it could be immensely a useful tool, as long as you iron out the wrinkles and figure out how to and how not to go about doing it, in tandem with being a YouTuber or any other kind of social media influencer, or just using some type of platform to build up an audience that will be interested in your work, especially for a no name nobody.

It's yet to prove to be a model that works for everyone, but it's definitely got cases where it's working beautifully, especially for people who came from the mainstream like EVS and already has a following. The fact that retards like TUG and Liam Gray also managed to haul themselves some level of success is indicating that it's developing into some sort of viable option for people on the outside too, but those two cases are also heavily tangled with making themselves out to be complete speds on the internet, either engaging in gayops, deception, and outright grifting, or trying to foster a drama/IBS channel, then backing out of it like a pussy and completely contradicting one's self like the lolcow they are and double down on it.

 

[FROG]

It's Wednesday, and Donal still hasn't paid Nasser.

Time marches on.

 

[NasserRabadi13]

It's Wednesday, and Donal still hasn't paid Nasser.

Time marches on.

Indeed.

 

[CapeKnight]

I guess @Fathead doesn't care about cucking his own reputation and career as well. Hey Donal, how does it feel to be a man cuck whose words mean nothing? Good luck getting anyone who will even want to touch you after you've proven again and again that your word means jack shit.

 

[TheCosmicWarrior]

Good morning, True Believers! We have great news for RoboToad fans -- our incredible ashcan artist has agreed to do a short for SALA-MA'AM-DROID even though the main artist and I are working toward a science fiction graphic novel instead of Robotoad 2.

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Excelsior!

JDA

 

[Milwaukee Macho Man]

DannPhan reviews PANdemIC

Sounds like a rushed mess. Not gonna lie kinda irks me this is out and Expendables isnt.

 

[Newman's Lovechild]

BUT, and this is a big BUT. You cannot deny that CG popularized it in the comic scene.

True enough, but it still comes a little close to those times Frog tried to claim any non-mainstream comic success for comicsgate.

 

[CapeKnight]

True enough, but it still comes a little close to those times Frog tried to claim any non-mainstream comic success for comicsgate.

And what does that have to do really with what I said? The difference is that I don't claim other people's success as a CG success. Frog can shout "FIRST!" as much as he wants on other people's success, but it doesn't make it true, nor does it make it not true that CG did start a trend for people to start coming in waves to use Crowdfunding platforms to make comics.

I rather just stick to facts than encourage endless a-logging of Ethan to shit up the thread, especially on points of contention that stem from the bottom of the barrel.

 

[TruthSeekingDaimon]

I would like a catalogue of SJW comics that failed and got cancelled.
Im sure someone has a blog in a non mainstream blog site(other wise its getting deleted lol) that tracks this but dont know where.

 

[Life is Hell...]

This is from many months ago, but apparently Jay Lender, a guy who wrote Spongebob's most famous episodes like Graveyard Shift and Just One Bite, turns out to be Anti-Comicsgate, which makes sense considering he's close friends with Micah Ian Wright, the Antifa supporting, Communist comic book writer who in my opinion, deserves his own thread.

 

[Mister Dongs]

None of those are CG.

Zack stopped using CG over a year ago.
The BRZRKR crew would vomit at the notion of being CG.
Brice seems to have noped out on CG as well, or at least on EVS. Probably because EVS never delivered that Brand 2 cover he promised, but who knows.

I'm not talking about who is credited for what, but overall changes in ways and approaches to crowdfunding.
Frog didn't invent "executive box sets" but you can't deny the impact that development has had on how CG creators structure their campaigns.

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/shadow-of-the-conqueror-graphic-novel-volume-1/coming_soon

Mike S. Miller for example is partnering with The Shadiversity, a Youtuber with 1 mil subs who specializes in critiquing medieval weapons/combat depiction in media. As long as the comic creator delivers the goods and isn't cancelled by the e-celeb who provides the marketing and promotion doesn't cancel them, it's a good arrangement.

In the wake of BRZRKR's success and proven value of partnering with celebrities, comic entrepreneurs both in and out of Comicsgate are revising their tactics and, indirectly, are creating new value systems around them.

 

[KingofNothing]

Dan is odd. He changed the title of the interview and deleted all the comments. Why the hell does he want EVS to bet on the lawsuit so badly? He's so weirdly focused on it. What would he even gain from it if EVS played along?

And it looks like we missed out on another classic Donny tantrum where he kicks a hornets nest and then whines about getting stung. Stop being a bitch Donny, if you're gonna rattle CG's cage, go all in, don't back down. Part of me wishes that I hadn't left twitter so I could catch more of this stuff

 

[jspit2.0]

I guess @Fathead doesn't care about cucking his own reputation and career as well. Hey Donal, how does it feel to be a man cuck whose words mean nothing? Good luck getting anyone who will even want to touch you after you've proven again and again that your word means jack shit.

harsh, but fair. Still, Nasser on the wrong side of history disloyal and therefore doesn't deserve fair treatment. kudos to Frog for at least trying,

DannPhan reviews PANdemIC

Sounds like a rushed mess. Not gonna lie kinda irks me this is out and Expendables isnt.

I hate being right about Frogsimp, but he's in his echo chamber.

I would like a catalogue of SJW comics that failed and got cancelled.
Im sure someone has a blog in a non mainstream blog site(other wise its getting deleted lol) that tracks this but dont know where.

Its would crash the internet due to its size.


That's surprising, Mister Dongs. Isn't Shad a Mauler guy? Interesting Miller and Shad got into actual business. That'll be an interesting tire fire.

Dan is odd. He changed the title of the interview and deleted all the comments. Why the hell does he want EVS to bet on the lawsuit so badly? He's so weirdly focused on it. What would he even gain from it if EVS played along?
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And it looks like we missed out on another classic Donny tantrum where he kicks a hornets nest and then whines about getting stung. Stop being a bitch Donny, if you're gonna rattle CG's cage, go all in, don't back down. Part of me wishes that I hadn't left twitter so I could catch more of this stuff
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Dan's still living in 2018. In his mind, King Baby is still a titan in the industry who is currently employed by both DC and Marvel. Actively fighting on the lawsuit will ingratiate himself to King Baby given what a petty fuck we all know he is. For those who don't, this is a man who still shit talked an ex employer a decade after the fact at every available opportunity.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/shadow-of-the-conqueror-graphic-novel-volume-1/coming_soon
Mike S. Miller for example is partnering with The Shadiversity, a Youtuber with 1 mil subs who specializes in critiquing medieval weapons/combat depiction in media. As long as the comic creator delivers the goods and isn't cancelled by the e-celeb who provides the marketing and promotion doesn't cancel them, it's a good arrangement.

This shocks the hell out out of me, but perhaps I'm wrong. I figured Shadiversity for an SJW of the sort that wouldn't touch Mike S. Miller with a ten foot cattle prod. Yet to my surprie his Twitter is as nonpolitical as can be. No Twitter blockback, either, that I'm seeing, from his fans.

Shadiversity's whole shtick (IMO) is reading the Wikipedia entries about medieval weapons, SCA LARPING on YouTube and shaking the begging cup for Patreon donations. Keanu he aint, as in somebody who can ignore Twitter meltdowns. In fact I'd suggest a collaboration with SMiller could severely jeopardize his gravy train/tugboat given who I think his YouTube subs are.

Maybe the world has moved on, maybe I've just misjudged the guy and his fans. We shall see.

 

[kidatari]

havnt checked the CG thread in a while but wow, I'm glad everyone is still getting along

anyways, was just listening to Michael Malice with guest Kurt Metzger. Kurt is a stand up comedian and was a writer for Amy Shumers show on comedy central.
That being said, Kurt mentions "Ya Boi Zack" on Michael Malice show. And Kurt is a fan of Zack cause Kurt mentioned Zack on his last apperance of Joe Rogan's show.
And Kurt Metzger was on a streams with Nerdrotic and other people. So, glad Kurt coming on anti SJW comic/geek streams

and Micheal Malice quickly mentions @FROG . would like a stream with both, MM and EVS

enjoy and dont fight guys, and be safe