Lolcow Melinda Leigh Scott & Marshall Castersen - Sue-happy couple. Flat earth conspiracists. Pretending to be Jewish. Believe Kiwi Farms is protected by the Masonic Order. 0-6 on lawsuits. Marshall is dead.

  • feelings of grandiosity (Men believe they are superior to women)
  • search for narcissistic supply (men believe they are entitled to emotional and sexual encounters with other people beside their wife)
  • gaslighting (men say they treat women as equals but they do not)
  • victim blaming (when men are caught cheating or committing a sin, they blame the wife instead of taking responsibility for their actions)
  • emotional witholding/stonewalling (when men in Patriarchy are confronted by their wives they say "stop nagging me"/ common misuse of a common Bible verse)
  • invalidation (in Patriarchy men dismiss women as "irrational", "emotional" people)
  • scapegoating (in Patriarchy men blame women for the ills of the world/"Eve did it")
  • Discard (in Patriarchy older women are discarded)
  • Dehumanization (in Patriarchy women are treated like sexual objects but also told to sexually repress)
  • Touch deprivation/skin hunger (in Patriarchy men see a wife as an as object, they are told it's socially acceptable to be emotionally disabled)

Just curious, how much of this is Marshall? Probably all of it, if you were being honest. You have no idea how people act in a normal, healthy, loving relationship because you've never been in normal, healthy, loving relationship in your entire life. You just hook up with guys that rape you, beat you, impregnate you, and refuse to parent the resulting children. You don't have the slightest idea how people act towards each other in the real world, you seem to get all of your ideas about society and culture from trashy romance novels and cable TV. Which makes sense, seeing as how you have deliberately isolated yourself from the wider world. Both socially and geographically, seeing as how you moved to a tiny, isolated town in a rural, isolated county. TV is your only window into the world at large, so you have an incredibly distorted view of that world.
 
Just curious, how much of this is Marshall? Probably all of it, if you were being honest. You have no idea how people act in a normal, healthy, loving relationship because you've never been in normal, healthy, loving relationship in your entire life. You just hook up with guys that rape you, beat you, impregnate you, and refuse to parent the resulting children. You don't have the slightest idea how people act towards each other in the real world, you seem to get all of your ideas about society and culture from trashy romance novels and cable TV. Which makes sense, seeing as how you have deliberately isolated yourself from the wider world. Both socially and geographically, seeing as how you moved to a tiny, isolated town in a rural, isolated county. TV is your only window into the world at large, so you have an incredibly distorted view of that world.
She's just like the ghetto gaggers that talk about their baby daddy's and how they 'be a broke ass nigga' who 'don't kno da size dey kids shoe' online.
 
It's eerie how much of Melinda's mindset is identical to the dumbest and most ignorant hood rats. Especially the whole "I can have as many children as I want with unsuitable men who won't be good parents and everyone else has to pay for them" shtick.

Here's a thought: Don't let yourself be impregnated by scumbags or losers, Melinda.
 
It's eerie how much of Melinda's mindset is identical to the dumbest and most ignorant hood rats. Especially the whole "I can have as many children as I want with unsuitable men who won't be good parents and everyone else has to pay for them" shtick.

Here's a thought: Don't let yourself be impregnated by scumbags or losers, Melinda.
Yes but they aren't goy men so they are objectively better than any disgusting goy vermin you have sex with. She has perfect jew children.
 
She has perfect jew children.

Except for the severely disabled one. The one that's eligible for all sorts of free health care and resources that Melinda refuses to take advantage of.

Melinda, if your child is disabled enough to get SSI and Medicaid as a result of (you claim) medical malpractice, why haven't you sued? There's lawyers all over the fucking place who love to take medmal cases on contingency. It's interesting that this is the one time you refuse to take advantage of the legal system.
 
Except for the severely disabled one. The one that's eligible for all sorts of free health care and resources that Melinda refuses to take advantage of.

Melinda, if your child is disabled enough to get SSI and Medicaid as a result of (you claim) medical malpractice, why haven't you sued? There's lawyers all over the fucking place who love to take medmal cases on contingency. It's interesting that this is the one time you refuse to take advantage of the legal system.
My theory based on no evidence is that the retarded one is a victim of shaken baby syndrome.
 
And I don't want to hear victim blaming like "it's that person's fault they are poor"
Only in your case it's true. You could have been more responsible and forward planning, and been able to complete law school, and possibly worked from home as a legal assistant. You could be working in the field you have a degree in. You chose to have 6 children with various men, none of whom you wanted to stick around.
This is deliberate, chosen, poverty.
 
Almost every time you mention him it's within a sexual context. The next time I'm super bored I'll gather up all your creepy skeevy posts about him. You continually bring @Deadpool up, even though he rarely posts here anymore. It's ok if you are fixated, he's a wonderful, thoughtful man. I love him, so I understand if others do too.

I've only brought up his porn use as a point about Goy men. I wouldn't say that's a "sexual context".

I didn't ask him what kind of porn he watches.

No one asked you to publicly engage in relationship drama, or verbally abusing, even cursing your husband. Keep your dirty dishes in your sink, not all over your front lawn

Well news flash Goy bitch: I don't need your persmission.

And for two, you don't even know the difference between abuse and "eye for eye". You're a dumb ignorant Goy bitch
Save your stupid sayings for the other Goy bimbos like yourself

Allow me to respond to this one, the rest of it is self-serving bullshit. Almost from the very beginning, you have bragged that you're an author, that you were writing a book that would be a sure-fire bestseller, that your book would be widely available at retailers. Over and over and over you brought this up. You did, no one else. We laughed, of course. And then the day came when your book was revealed to the Farms. And all of your claims turned to ash. It turned out your book was more like a pamphlet, that your book was pay-to-publish, that you spent 4 figures on it, that the price set by the publisher was so laughably high that actually selling the book is nothing but a pipe dream. Which is their whole business model. They don't make money by selling these pay-to-publish books, they make money from getting the authors to pay them to publish in the first place.

And it was hilarious. I'll note that you don't bring up your book very much anymore. It's a lot harder to brag about being an author when anyone can see for themselves just how laughable your finished product really is.

I keep meaning to buy the book and do a true review. It shouldn't take long, it's only 84 pages IIRC. Anyone can read the first twenty or so pages for free on google. It's an easy read, very pedestrian writing. Freshman English Comp level.
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I never put the actual book up here you idiot

If you really have a good case, you'll find a lawyer who will do it pro bono

That's not true

It kinda is their fault though. Get more than one job. Don't have more kids than you can financially support, save up money, don't spend it on junkfood, ect. In most cases, it's just people not willing to put in work and accept responcibility.

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Again you have something called a "just world bias". You need to inform yourself about how certain sectors of places have poverty built into their infrastructure

But it is a fact that pro se litigants almost always fail.

Because they are biased against them

How has pro se filling been treating ya? 5 suits, 5 losses? Yeah, that's why you get a lawyer.

I have filed 3 lawsuits against Moon. Transfers and appeals aren't new lawsuits

Here's a thought: Don't let yourself be impregnated by scumbags or losers, Melinda.

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Pregnancy isn't something that happens to a woman. did it ever occur to you that some women want children regardless of whether of not there is a male partner involved? Too small a thought for your sexist brain?

A woman's income should not be dependent on a man. PERIOD

Yes but they aren't goy men so they are objectively better than any disgusting goy vermin you have sex with. She has perfect jew children.

Israelites can be evil

Why didn't she just put it up on amazon as a kindle version? They host for free, as I understand, and they only take 30-40% from a sale. Even Russell realised this was better than traditional publishing if you are poor.

I don't believe in electronic books. I didn't even give my publisher permission to do that and they still sold it as an e-book.

Oh dear, I was specifically mentioning your break up. Kiwis made fun of your relationship, but you were the intial person to mention your break up with him here. Waaaaaay back in the thread. And then continued to mention every time you broke up or tried to divorce.

Incorrect. I was spoken at regarding me being with Marshall and I retorted.

Here's a thought: quit trying to control what I say. I don't owe you an explanation for what I want to say publicly.

Move on already

We proved you wrong until you admitted some people like yourself and your kids are just born evil.

Everyone is born evil

Some people are born Wicked

Just curious, how much of this is Marshall? Probably all of it, if you were being honest. You have no idea how people act in a normal, healthy, loving relationship because you've never been in normal, healthy, loving relationship in your entire life. You just hook up with guys that rape you, beat you, impregnate you, and refuse to parent the resulting children. You don't have the slightest idea how people act towards each other in the real world, you seem to get all of your ideas about society and culture from trashy romance novels and cable TV. Which makes sense, seeing as how you have deliberately isolated yourself from the wider world. Both socially and geographically, seeing as how you moved to a tiny, isolated town in a rural, isolated county. TV is your only window into the world at large, so you have an incredibly distorted view of that world.

You Goy think that your relationships are "normal, healthy and loving" or that you are in "love". You don't know what love is. What you think is "healthy and loving" is DISGUSTING to Elohim.

You're a disgusting human being, a worthless piece of garbage born to be destroyed in a river of fire


Both socially and geographically, seeing as how you moved to a tiny, isolated town in a rural, isolated county. TV is your only window into the world at large, so you have an incredibly distorted view of that world.

I moved here when I was 31. You're an idiot

Melinda, if your child is disabled enough to get SSI and Medicaid as a result of (you claim) medical malpractice, why haven't you sued? There's lawyers all over the fucking place who love to take medmal cases on contingency. It's interesting that this is the one time you refuse to take advantage of the legal system.

No, actually, lawyers pick and choose what cases they want to take.

I did call a lawyer. There's a statute of limitations on medical malpractice. The legal system is fucked up in many ways

Only in your case it's true. You could have been more responsible and forward planning, and been able to complete law school, and possibly worked from home as a legal assistant. You could be working in the field you have a degree in. You chose to have 6 children with various men, none of whom you wanted to stick around.
This is deliberate, chosen, poverty.

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You can be a single mother and have other people watch your children to have a job. You don't have to have a man to do this.

If a woman's income is dependent upon her being married that is Patriarchal oppression. You just don't get it!
 
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I've only brought up his porn use as a point about Goy men. I wouldn't say that's a "sexual context".

I didn't ask him what kind of porn he watches.





Well news flash Goy bitch: I don't need your persmission.

And for two, you don't even know the difference between abuse and "eye for eye". You're a dumb ignorant Goy bitch
Save your stupid sayings for the other Goy bimbos like yourself




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I never put the actual book up here you idiot






That's not true





👆 👆 👆 Victim blaming

Again you have something called a "just world bias". You need to inform yourself about how certain sectors of places have poverty built into their infrastructure





Because they are biased against them






I have filed 3 lawsuits against Moon. Transfers and appeals aren't new lawsuits





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Pregnancy isn't something that happens to a woman. did it ever occur to you that some women want children regardless of whether of not there is a male partner involved? Too small a thought for your sexist brain?

A woman's income should not be dependent on a man. PERIOD






Israelites can be evil






I don't believe in electronic books. I didn't even give my publisher permission to do that and they still sold it as an e-book.





Incorrect. I was spoken at regarding me being with Marshall and I retorted.

Here's a thought: quit trying to control what I say. I don't owe you an explanation for what I want to say publicly.

Move on already





Everyone is born evil

Some people are born Wicked






You Goy think that your relationships are "normal, healthy and loving" or that you are in "love". You don't know what love is. What you think is "healthy and loving" is DISGUSTING to Elohim.

You're a disgusting human being, a worthless piece of garbage born to be destroyed in a river of fire






I moved here when I was 31. You're an idiot





No, actually, lawyers pick and choose what cases they want to take.

I did call a lawyer. There's a statute of limitations on medical malpractice. The legal system is fucked up in many ways







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You can be a single mother and have other people watch your children to have a job. You don't have to have a man to do this.

If a woman's income is dependent upon her being married that is Patriarchal oppression. You just don't get it!
I don't subscribe to your theology. Go be a nigger somewhere else.
 
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I've only brought up his porn use as a point about Goy men. I wouldn't say that's a "sexual context".

I didn't ask him what kind of porn he watches.





Well news flash Goy bitch: I don't need your persmission.

And for two, you don't even know the difference between abuse and "eye for eye". You're a dumb ignorant Goy bitch
Save your stupid sayings for the other Goy bimbos like yourself




👆 👆 👆 Narcissistic gaslighting

I never put the actual book up here you idiot






That's not true





👆 👆 👆 Victim blaming

Again you have something called a "just world bias". You need to inform yourself about how certain sectors of places have poverty built into their infrastructure





Because they are biased against them






I have filed 3 lawsuits against Moon. Transfers and appeals aren't new lawsuits





👆👆👆Misogynistic Patriarchy


Pregnancy isn't something that happens to a woman. did it ever occur to you that some women want children regardless of whether of not there is a male partner involved? Too small a thought for your sexist brain?

A woman's income should not be dependent on a man. PERIOD






Israelites can be evil






I don't believe in electronic books. I didn't even give my publisher permission to do that and they still sold it as an e-book.





Incorrect. I was spoken at regarding me being with Marshall and I retorted.

Here's a thought: quit trying to control what I say. I don't owe you an explanation for what I want to say publicly.

Move on already





Everyone is born evil

Some people are born Wicked






You Goy think that your relationships are "normal, healthy and loving" or that you are in "love". You don't know what love is. What you think is "healthy and loving" is DISGUSTING to Elohim.

You're a disgusting human being, a worthless piece of garbage born to be destroyed in a river of fire






I moved here when I was 31. You're an idiot





No, actually, lawyers pick and choose what cases they want to take.

I did call a lawyer. There's a statute of limitations on medical malpractice. The legal system is fucked up in many ways







👆👆👆 Narcissistic gaslighting


You can be a single mother and have other people watch your children to have a job. You don't have to have a man to do this.

If a woman's income is dependent upon her being married that is Patriarchal oppression. You just don't get it!
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I've only brought up his porn use as a point about Goy men. I wouldn't say that's a "sexual context".

I didn't ask him what kind of porn he watches.





Well news flash Goy bitch: I don't need your persmission.

And for two, you don't even know the difference between abuse and "eye for eye". You're a dumb ignorant Goy bitch
Save your stupid sayings for the other Goy bimbos like yourself




👆 👆 👆 Narcissistic gaslighting

I never put the actual book up here you idiot






That's not true





👆 👆 👆 Victim blaming

Again you have something called a "just world bias". You need to inform yourself about how certain sectors of places have poverty built into their infrastructure





Because they are biased against them






I have filed 3 lawsuits against Moon. Transfers and appeals aren't new lawsuits





👆👆👆Misogynistic Patriarchy


Pregnancy isn't something that happens to a woman. did it ever occur to you that some women want children regardless of whether of not there is a male partner involved? Too small a thought for your sexist brain?

A woman's income should not be dependent on a man. PERIOD






Israelites can be evil






I don't believe in electronic books. I didn't even give my publisher permission to do that and they still sold it as an e-book.





Incorrect. I was spoken at regarding me being with Marshall and I retorted.

Here's a thought: quit trying to control what I say. I don't owe you an explanation for what I want to say publicly.

Move on already





Everyone is born evil

Some people are born Wicked






You Goy think that your relationships are "normal, healthy and loving" or that you are in "love". You don't know what love is. What you think is "healthy and loving" is DISGUSTING to Elohim.

You're a disgusting human being, a worthless piece of garbage born to be destroyed in a river of fire






I moved here when I was 31. You're an idiot





No, actually, lawyers pick and choose what cases they want to take.

I did call a lawyer. There's a statute of limitations on medical malpractice. The legal system is fucked up in many ways







👆👆👆 Narcissistic gaslighting


You can be a single mother and have other people watch your children to have a job. You don't have to have a man to do this.

If a woman's income is dependent upon her being married that is Patriarchal oppression. You just don't get it!
Actually, you’re the one who brought the challenge, so I can decide when to move on. And your first instance of claiming Marshall and you were through was many pages back. When asked about it, you played it off as a joke trying to rile us. You opened that door.

edit: Fucking lol at her post below. Imagine missing the biggest fattest part of personality disorders being that those who have them do not ever believe there is anything wrong with themselves.
 
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Just curious, how much of this is Marshall?

I am not a licensed psychologist so I won't say that Marshall is a Covert Narcissist, but I will say it this way: Marshall has many many of the symptoms of Covert-Malignant Narcissism. He is patriarchal sexist in some ways too. Every decision he makes has to come out with him on top, me on the bottom. There's no consistent equal distribution of treatment, he will bend moral rules to whatever way that puts him on top. I won't go into all the nitty gritty details, because I am going to save that for therapy.

I stayed with him because I didn't believe Psychologists that Covert Narcissists can't change. I believe YHWH can heal people with evil. But the thing about Marshall is he doesn't want to repent. He's in denial that there is anything wrong with him.

He was even burnt by a hot coal in his leg by YHWH for a sin that he did and he still didn't repent!! He literally woke up screaming in the night because a Messenger of YHWH burnt his leg with something. He had a red mark on his leg from being punished by YHWH. (I didn't do it, I was asleep and woke up to the sound of him screaming "get it off, get it off"). I also cursed his car project because he is has over invested his time in the car project at the expense of doing his duty to me as his former wife.

To this day his car is still a hunk of junk sitting there.

I see YHWH punishing him but he still won't repent!!

This is why I've decided to move on. I can't enable him. I have to maintain my self respect and my boundaries. Marshall needs to confront himself and repent. Maybe a licensed male psychologist who also follows The Torah can help him?? I was his Ezer but he didn't want to listen.

I want to live in שָׁלוֹם
 
I am not a licensed psychologist so I won't say that Marshall is a Covert Narcissist, but I will say it this way: Marshall has many many of the symptoms of Covert-Malignant Narcissism. He is patriarchal sexist in some ways too. Every decision he makes has to come out with him on top, me on the bottom. There's no consistent equal distribution of treatment, he will bend moral rules to whatever way that puts him on top. I won't go into all the nitty gritty details, because I am going to save that for therapy.

I stayed with him because I didn't believe Psychologists that Covert Narcissists can't change. I believe YHWH can heal people with evil. But the thing about Marshall is he doesn't want to repent. He's in denial that there is anything wrong with him.

He was even burnt by a hot coal in his leg by YHWH for a sin that he did and he still didn't repent!! He literally woke up screaming in the night because a Messenger of YHWH burnt his leg with something. He had a red mark on his leg from being punished by YHWH. (I didn't do it, I was asleep and woke up to the sound of him screaming "get it off, get it off"). I also cursed his car project because he is has over invested his time in the car project at the expense of doing his duty to me as his former wife.

To this day his car is still a hunk of junk sitting there.

I see YHWH punishing him but he still won't repent!!

This is why I've decided to move on. I can't enable him. I have to maintain my self respect and my boundaries. Marshall needs to confront himself and repent. Maybe a licensed male psychologist who also follows The Torah can help him?? I was his Ezer but he didn't want to listen.

I want to live in שָׁלוֹם
Man. Glad I don't deal with any of these problems at all. Very glad I'm in a happy and healthy relationship.
 
I am not a licensed psychologist so I won't say that Marshall is a Covert Narcissist, but I will say it this way: Marshall has many many of the symptoms of Covert-Malignant Narcissism. He is patriarchal sexist in some ways too. Every decision he makes has to come out with him on top, me on the bottom. There's no consistent equal distribution of treatment, he will bend moral rules to whatever way that puts him on top. I won't go into all the nitty gritty details, because I am going to save that for therapy.

I stayed with him because I didn't believe Psychologists that Covert Narcissists can't change. I believe YHWH can heal people with evil. But the thing about Marshall is he doesn't want to repent. He's in denial that there is anything wrong with him.

He was even burnt by a hot coal in his leg by YHWH for a sin that he did and he still didn't repent!! He literally woke up screaming in the night because a Messenger of YHWH burnt his leg with something. He had a red mark on his leg from being punished by YHWH. (I didn't do it, I was asleep and woke up to the sound of him screaming "get it off, get it off"). I also cursed his car project because he is has over invested his time in the car project at the expense of doing his duty to me as his former wife.

To this day his car is still a hunk of junk sitting there.

I see YHWH punishing him but he still won't repent!!

This is why I've decided to move on. I can't enable him. I have to maintain my self respect and my boundaries. Marshall needs to confront himself and repent. Maybe a licensed male psychologist who also follows The Torah can help him?? I was his Ezer but he didn't want to listen.

I want to live in שָׁלוֹם
Thats nuts because I always pegged Marshall as a bottom.
 
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I do not have a thing for Deadpool.
No you definitely have some kind of weird fixation on me. Several users have noted it, even before I noticed it myself. My guess is that you have some sort of sick abuse fetish, and my being as mean to you as I do makes your gaping vagina gush. It would also explain why you would put up with a violent moron manlet like @Marshall Castersen.

However, I think the real issue is that your "Split Apart" (as you call him) is a party to this thread and you don't want him reading sexual stuff about me. I find this interesting because you are displaying righteous jealousy in doing that, which is contrary to other stuff I've seen about you. But at the same time, it's your man's responsibility not to lust if I engage in mature conversation. Not that I think he would lust so that's why I also felt free to speak it.
@Toasty and I aren't a couple (she is a dear friend though) but even if we were she wouldn't have to worry about me lusting after you. You disgust me in every way imaginable. I don't get turned on by the "mature conversations" I cringe because you're gross. Oh and a cousin fucker lol.
 
Man. Glad I don't deal with any of these problems at all. Very glad I'm in a happy and healthy relationship.

Happiness doesn't validate anything. Lots of evil and wicked people are happy.

I doubt your relationship is healthy. You're a Christian IE a patriarchal sexist. Patriarchy is Narcissism. There's nothing healthy about that at all. I have observed enough Christian and Patriarchal men to know that the only way you Christian men treat your wives right is IF they submit. It's benevolent sexism. Or in other words, "I'll treat you good if you submit to me". SICK SICK SICK

If your wife stood up for her rights and wants and needs you'd be a monster.

No you definitely have some kind of weird fixation on me. Several users have noted it, even before I noticed it myself.

It's in your head. Not true in the slightest degree. I'll speak for myself
 
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He was even burnt by a hot coal in his leg by YHWH for a sin that he did and he still didn't repent!! He literally woke up screaming in the night because a Messenger of YHWH burnt his leg with something. He had a red mark on his leg from being punished by YHWH. (I didn't do it, I was asleep and woke up to the sound of him screaming "get it off, get it off"). I also cursed his car project because he is has over invested his time in the car project at the expense of doing his duty to me as his former wife.

To this day his car is still a hunk of junk sitting there.

What was the sin? Do you seriously think thst a demon burned Marshall? Did Marshall accuse you of burning him? How often do demons punish you or Marshall while you're asleep?

Most importantly: Is Marshall's car up on blocks? Or sitting on a couple of flats, maybe? What kind of car?
 
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Take responcibility for your own actions.
You need to inform yourself about how certain sectors of places have poverty built into their infrastructure
And you need to do something to solve your problems. Sure, poverty sucks, but without stupid decisions, and by getting a decent enough job, you can get out of it.


Because they are biased against them
It's because they don't know law well. A lawyer, even a bad one, will have more knowledge on law than any citizen. Lawyers, at least, learn all the small tidbits of information that a normal person would be hard pressed to find due to various reasons. One just tidbit, for example, was that appeal correction I gave you a few pages back. Another'd be that rule 19 is meant to add more plantiffs to the suit (because you will have trouble proving to the judge that the person you are trying to sue will suffer damages because you didn't sue), but that one is clear from just plain reading of the rule.
I have filed 3 lawsuits against Moon. Transfers and appeals aren't new lawsuits
Ignoring semantics, that is still 3 suits, and 3 losses. My point stands.
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That's called being a responcible human being.
Pregnancy isn't something that happens to a woman. did it ever occur to you that some women want children regardless of whether of not there is a male partner involved? Too small a thought for your sexist brain?
Adoption. But, again, involves responcibility.
A woman's income should not be dependent on a man. PERIOD
That's why you get a job.
I don't believe in electronic books.
They have the exact same deal for paperbacks. Which means it far better than tradicional publishing.
I didn't even give my publisher permission to do that and they still sold it as an e-book
Shitty publisher then, if that's true. That's something worth suing for, provided you are honest and your agreement was not in your contract.
I did call a lawyer. There's a statute of limitations on medical malpractice. The legal system is fucked up in many ways
Why didn't you sue sooner? The Statue is up to 10 years(depending on the state), so surely it's enough time to realise something's wrong.
No, actually, lawyers pick and choose what cases they want to take
Sure, but he didn't claim othervise. He said that there's a lot of them that would love to take the case, not that there aren't ones that choose not to.
 
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