2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Holy shit that was one sad speech. It only lasted like 15-20 minutes or so 🤣

Trump is talking 90+ minutes straight and with a lot of improv in between his regular stump speech. He even has different variation of his stump speech depending on the state. This is the second time I've watched Biden talked I think it's was pretty much exactly the same as the one I've seen a couple of days ago.

It's just so sad seeing this man, what hell. How can anyone watching all of this believe it's not going to be a landslide for Trump?
Nah man, #BidenLandslide is trending on twitter at 3.5K tweets strong. CLEARLY, he's got this in the bag. Do the Dems even have anything left for an October surprise? I'm just waiting for Rudy to roll out the good stuff.
 
I think it was naval ravikant who had a nice formulation on the gradient.

"I'm a communist with my family, socialist with my close friends, I'm libertarian with the government" or something like that.


I'd add "and I'm a nazi when it comes to border control and immigration".

Most families are very socialist in their economic structure: can't have the kids working for their room and board until they're almost old enough to leave home. That doesn't mean that I want to share my food and home with strangers. Similar concept.
The only time I can think of Communism functioning, in which nobody owns and everybody shares, is in very small communities, such as a monastery.
 
@stets im sorry i cant quote this... properly...

"I'm someone that actually works in politics and knows a lot about this shit. Responding to this and other posts of yours:

* Trump will not win Florida in a landslide. Thinking that is nuts, and you need to get out of your bubble. This will probably be a close state like always, and Biden has a slight edge. A Trump win is certainly possible though.

* You mentioned that Hispanics and Jews may drive Trump to victory. Exceeding expectations is certainly possible, but any difference will likely be at the margins. Exceeding past support in groups like these is literally the only way Trump can win the election since older people and white women that supported him last time are fleeing.

* Loomer's chances are about 1 in 100,000 on a good day, not 1 in 5.

* I don't know what Florida will look like in two years with certainty since a lot hinges on the outcome in November, but saying it will be solid red is ludicrous. It'll most likely be a bit more red if Biden wins and a bit bluer if trump does since midterms favor the opposing party. Longer term migration patterns and demographic shifts do not bode well for Republicans in the long term in Florida, but shifts in opinion happen often (which is why democrats that boast that dominance is just around the corner is insane.)"

Trump is ahead by a good margin, Polling is just one metric and its not a very good one.
20% chance for Loomer sounds insane, but her district is full of Demographics Trump is winning over. She should overperform Trumps gains.

Florida is turning red, and will be till the dems change course. the Main Latino demographics in FL will not stop hating far left politics.
It will not lead to any dominance because the dems have been turning other states with more mexican Latinos blue.
 
The early numbers we are seeing in AZ right now are very encouraging. It certainly is looking like the refugees from California are not bringing their moronic politics with them.
This is still a "wait and see" because they keep trying to push on us the same renewable energy standards initiative that California enforced. We shot down Prop 127 in 2018, and while it's not on the ballot this year (I was only half-paying attention to the radio ads but it got brought up recently for some reason and I went "Wut, it's back?" but apparently it's referring to a failed meeting with the Arizona Corporation Commission), I see it coming back a good few more times.

Anyway I've been meaning to write about this, but sports ratings have heavily sunk during the pandemic and that's fascinating to me. In my mind Sports should be UP given that it's the only fresh content being produced. Also consider more people are stuck at home.
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For the record Marist is far away from being a Trump positive poll organization. According to NPR they have Biden up by double digits. We have to take into account that many (probably most) Americans don't care about sports. But if this can be taken at face value that 39% of Democrats & 53% of Independents are annoyed by major athletes virtue signaling that's a really good sign that they agree with Trump's twitter rants against kneeling.

I'm sure the outlier exists, that there are people who don't care for millionaires athletes preaching to them but they're still going to vote for Biden. But I find it hard to believe there isn't a decent percentage of these people who hate the "Woke Culture" and will be voting for Trump as a sign of protest. What if this is a clear sign of the allegedly mythical "Silent Majority" or the "Shy Trump Voter?"

According to Wikipedia 89% of Democrat voters voted for Hillary in 2016. Maybe someone is more informed when it comes to polling but I figure polling metrics assume that those numbers will stay the same in 2020. If Trump wins over some of those Dems or they simply don't vote this cycle well then God willing I'll be celebrating in November.
Who'd have thunk that people don't want politics in their sports, they just want to watch burly guys toss the ol' pigskin around, hear the squeaks of shoes on the gym floor as they pass around the basketball, see if their favorite batter will finally score that home run or get in a shouting match with the umpire, and watch cars go zoom around a track and maybe get to see a fiery crash. Apparently ESPN has been losing their goddamned minds as of late, think they're scared of what happens if/when Disney cuts them loose to save money.

It's gotten really hard to watch my dad get black-pilled these past few years from the woke crowd infiltrating his hobbies (Star Wars, comic books, sports), though I think as a result (plus the pandemic shutdowns) he's dedicated more of that free time into doing some yard work and we're trying again to grow a garden. But still, wasn't fun to see him lose his love for his hobbies.
 
@stets im sorry i cant quote this... properly...

"I'm someone that actually works in politics and knows a lot about this shit. Responding to this and other posts of yours:

* Trump will not win Florida in a landslide. Thinking that is nuts, and you need to get out of your bubble. This will probably be a close state like always, and Biden has a slight edge. A Trump win is certainly possible though.

Trump is ahead by a good margin, Polling is just one metric and its not a very good one.
20% chance for Loomer sounds insane, but her district is full of Demographics Trump is winning over. She should overperform Trumps gains.

Florida is turning red, and will be till the dems change course. the Main Latino demographics in FL will not stop hating far left politics.
It will not lead to any dominance because the dems have been turning other states with more mexican Latinos blue.
"Biden has a slight edge in Florida."

I would love to know why this is. I can tell you for a fact that the Latino base is fired up for Trump since they are consistantly doing Trump/ anti-commie caravans in Miami. They rented a small ferry in Jupiter to have in their boat parades. I urge you that this shit has never happened before in my lifetime for any candidate. And this translates into better margins in Miami-Date, the large population blue city that Trump struggles in. Baris daw a 9 point swing in the county alone. That is fucking insane for a Republican to do that well in modern Miami. With immigration off the limelight, Trump can shine with more conservative Latinos.

How am I supposed to believe Biden has any sort of lead in Florida when it went Republican in both the Senate and Governorship in a "blue wave" year?

Again, I would love to see that reasoning. Internal polls? Living in Florida? What is the slight edge?
 
"Biden has a slight edge in Florida."

I would love to know why this is. I can tell you for a fact that the Latino base is fired up for Trump since they are consistantly doing Trump/ anti-commie caravans in Miami. They rented a small ferry in Jupiter to have in their boat parades. I urge you that this shit has never happened before in my lifetime for any candidate. And this translates into better margins in Miami-Date, the large population blue city that Trump struggles in. Baris daw a 9 point swing in the county alone. That is fucking in/sane for a Republican to do that well in modern Miami. With immigration off the limelight, Trump can shine with more conservative Latinos.

How am I supposed to believe Biden has any sort of lead in Florida when it went Republican in both the Senate and Governorship in a "blue wave" year?

Again, I would love to see that reasoning. Internal polls? Living in Florida? What is the slight edge?
He just has a slight edge. Don't question it. All of Trump's support is meaningless. /sneed

Don't you know what D+ infinity means?
 
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Who'd have thunk that people don't want politics in their sports, they just want to watch burly guys toss the ol' pigskin around, hear the squeaks of shoes on the gym floor as they pass around the basketball, see if their favorite batter will finally score that home run or get in a shouting match with the umpire, and watch cars go zoom around a track and maybe get to see a fiery crash. Apparently ESPN has been losing their goddamned minds as of late, think they're scared of what happens if/when Disney cuts them loose to save money.

It's gotten really hard to watch my dad get black-pilled these past few years from the woke crowd infiltrating his hobbies (Star Wars, comic books, sports), though I think as a result (plus the pandemic shutdowns) he's dedicated more of that free time into doing some yard work and we're trying again to grow a garden. But still, wasn't fun to see him lose his love for his hobbies.

And on top of that aside from the US Open, Golf, out of all sports, is seeing an increase in viewership because IIRC, they never went full-on shoving down politics down the viewers' throats.
 
It's the weirdest shift here in California. Normally it would be Democrat swag as far as the eye can see.

I have only seen one Biden sign. But I have seen many many more Trump signs, flags, car stickers, masks and buttons. I have also seen a few anti-Trump pieces around. It really seems like the sentiment is you support Trump or loathe Trump. Nobody is supporting Biden as a candidate, he's just the tool to get Trump out.

For a while I thought being a little conservative was the kiss of death let alone openly supporting the President. Still have TDS as a daily occurance but I think people are getting fed up with the Dems imposing woke bullshit and driving more and more people into financial ruin in a state that costs so much to live in.
 
It's the weirdest shift here in California. Normally it would be Democrat swag as far as the eye can see.

I have only seen one Biden sign. But I have seen many many more Trump signs, flags, car stickers, masks and buttons. I have also seen a few anti-Trump pieces around. It really seems like the sentiment is you support Trump or loathe Trump. Nobody is supporting Biden as a candidate, he's just the tool to get Trump out.

For a while I thought being a little conservative was the kiss of death let alone openly supporting the President. Still have TDS as a daily occurance but I think people are getting fed up with the Dems imposing woke bullshit and driving more and more people into financial ruin in a state that costs so much to live in.
There was a protest outside the Twitter HQ which got attacked by ANTIFA over the weekend in San Francisco. An some black guy part of the group protesting Twitter lost his front teeth permanently. And the guy who did it, looked Asian. A lot of Asians around the bay are heavily pozzed and act like niggers that hate them as well.

The Neoliberals at the top along with top executives like Jack Dorsey and Zuckerberg do not probably mingle with their underlings and do not realize they are hated as much as Trump is. So while they will attack Republicans, as soon as the perfect opportunity arises, they will go after the Neoliberals and Neocons as well.
 
From early voting, he is lucky to perform as well as Clinton in some states.

Or don't you believe Obama himself?
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The latest Nate Silver map put Biden at 410+ electoral votes, which is 50+ higher than Barack Obama got in his 2008 election (365), at the peak of his popularity. Assuming that Biden is going to trounce even Obama's "Hope and Change" campaign is a fantastic way to set yourself up for disappointment, considering that every time that Joe's run for the Presidency he's had consistent problems with enthusiasm because he's just not an exciting person. Even when he was stapled to Obama's hip and riding his coattails into the Oval Office, no one really liked him.

Even the media called him Creepy Uncle Joe and did their best to just avoid making eye contact.

Why aren't the Dems and the media aligning their messages? Nate Styrofoam says it'll be a landslide eclipsing Obama. Obama says it'll be close so please help get out the vote. It makes me wonder if the campaign isn't talking to the media. Some journalists have been getting harsher towards them, like Wolf Blitzer toward Pelosi and the reporters pressing Biden to say if he'll pack the courts. Hillary's campaign was famously insular, even refusing advice from Bill Clinton who tried to tell them they were losing the Rust Belt. Is the news media getting no cooperation from Biden?
 
It's the weirdest shift here in California. Normally it would be Democrat swag as far as the eye can see.

It's an absolute sea of Trump signs here in my blue-ish state.
Biden signs are only slightly more common here than schizophrenically hand-scrawled anti-Trump slogans on pieces of cardboard.
 
Polls are complete fucking garbage. I know that's redundant and I know it's been said so many times that the sentence is starting to develop a smooth spot like it's the fucking Blarney Stone, but the biggest reason that polls are absolute dogshit apart from all of the other reasons that have been listed off since the beginning of time, are that polls and percentage-based predictions can't be tested and verified after the fact. Their results are never reproducible and they have no veracity.

Say that a poll puts one person at 80% and another at 15% and another at 5%. There's only a binary solution at the end of that equation though: One candidate wins. You only get to roll the dice one time. You're not aiming for an average amount of wins over time, you're not rolling the dice again to hope for a better candidate, and the situational conditions change tremendously with every single election, so what's the point of reducing it to percentages? Even if you ignore the fraudulent or misguided methods that go into each poll, what's the point if the outcome is singular and binary?

Does anyone ever go back and prove that Trump had a 2% chance of winning and actually won the electoral lottery? Do they go back down through all of the numbers and verify with 100% certainty that Candidate A had 58% and Candidate B had 42%, and lay out exactly how they came to that precise, mathematical denomination and how the candidate managed to roll the dice in a way that lead them to beating their opponent despite allegedly having a smaller or larger percentage?

No. They're completely wiped after every election and everyone forgets about them. Without looking it up, what was Obama's chance to win the 2008 election? What was George Bush's? What was Clinton's?

Polls are wishful thinking; they're a random-number generator based on incredibly flawed data, incredibly limited focus groups, and their results can't be quantified after an election. There's no "has a % chance to win" because the system isn't set up to work like that in the first place. Even if it was absolutely bereft of fraud, the entire methodology behind polling is completely broken and completely unrelated to the electoral system. Polls are meaningless.

The way it's supposed to work is the poll numbers measure current sentiment, and the "% to win" selects from probabilistic models of who will turn out on Election Day. The thing that makes pollsters like Nate Argon frauds is that they use their model to generate the %, instead of taking a probability across multiple models.

Say Trump has 55% of men saying they'll vote for him, and 45% of women. That's sentiment, but what will the final Election Day ratio of men/women voters be? If it's a 50:50 split, the vote is dead even. But for every 1% more women that vote, Trump's vote share falls by 0.10%; for every 1% more men, it goes up by 0.10%

Here, have a spreadsheet. In fact, have a primitive voting model, because I just kept going once I got started.

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It's not very exciting because gender is the only variable, and the scaling is linear. Each of the rows 5-14 is a single model. What Nate Quartz does is take one of them and match it to historical data; the highlighted row 8 is his likely choice since it matches the 2016 turnout with 52% women. His probability that Trump wins would be in column D.

What he should be doing is running probability across multiple models, and weighting the outcome on their likelihood. This is where the "art" portion of polling comes into play: predicting what the likely electorate will be. My "Probability this happens" column has arbitrary numbers, just to keep things nice and linear, but if you play with the weightings you can see how reality diverges from polls if you guess the electorate wrong. In this case, weighting multiple projections gives me a flat 50% for Trump on Election Day.

Do the same for race, education, age, party affiliation, etc and you get a full model; all you have to do is plug in new numbers in row 3 from fresh polls and let them update. If you want to get fancy, you can plug in the real gender gap from here. If you want to be professional, you replicate that 50 times with the unique characteristics of each individual state.

My original 0.20 divergence looks trivial, but that's the difference on one variable, gender. When you're compounding those bits of errors across every possible demographic variable, they start to add up.

Nate thinks he's clever because he puts the average of multiple polls up in row 3 instead of a single number, but that doesn't erase the projection error. In fact, it introduces a completely new error, when polls have different methodologies and slants but you average them together as if they were homogeneous. But that's a different rant for some other time.


TL;DR people don't understand statistics past the concept of percentages they learned in high school, and are constantly shocked when the real world makes their math look dumb.
 
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Why aren't the Dems and the media aligning their messages? Nate Styrofoam says it'll be a landslide eclipsing Obama. Obama says it'll be close so please help get out the vote. It makes me wonder if the campaign isn't talking to the media. Some journalists have been getting harsher towards them, like Wolf Blitzer toward Pelosi and the reporters pressing Biden to say if he'll pack the courts. Hillary's campaign was famously insular, even refusing advice from Bill Clinton who tried to tell them they were losing the Rust Belt. Is the news media getting no cooperation from Biden?
I think they're just switching messages. They've been attempting to depress Republican turnout all year with the Biden the Conqueror narrative. Now that it's crunch time (and because they know they aren't demoralizing Republicans), they're trying to motivate their base.
 
That guy in the middle he looks familiar...is that Ted Danson?

Yes, and above him is Kristen Bell. They dropped in at the start of a Zoom call to give the volunteers a pep talk for 6 minutes. It's not very interesting, but in the world of Joe Biden it's epic high excitement, so they recorded it and posted the video to his channel.
 
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