US Joe Biden News Megathread - The Other Biden Derangement Syndrome Thread (with a side order of Fauci Derangement Syndrome)

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Let's pretend for one moment that he does die before the election, just for the funsies. What happens then? Will the nomination revert to option number 2, aka Bernie Sanders? Or will his running mate automatically replace him just the way Vice-President is supposted to step in after the Big Man in the White House chokes on a piece of matzo? Does he even have a running mate yet?
 
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Nahash said:
Based on my own personal experience, I don't think this will do much. I tested talking this out with a friend who gets his news from Trevor Noah/Colbert's shows and he dismissed it out of hand saying it's all Russian disinformation. After I showed him the DNI/FBI denying it's Russian disinfo, he got upset and said that he'll wait for the investigation to finish but Rudy is a known liar. As an aside, fuck the Daily Show for promoting the idea that news comedy is actual news.
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What everyone needs to understand is that, any democrat post 2016 that still remains in the democratic party as of right FUCKING now is a lost cause. People like Tim Pool for example maybe grifters but they are also wishy washy fence sitters or people like Joe Rogan who are loosely democrat and don't buy into the dogma. Anyone who is watching those shows till now should be written off as a lost cause. Many of the former Jon Stewart alumni has lost their shows over the years and I personally gave up on Noah and Colbert after 2017 but it was being dull as fuck and boring over the same orange man bad shit however I was not on the Trump train just because they were so FUCKING boring. I personally jumped on the Trump train around the middle of impeachment when it was clear it was just pure bullshit and democrats were actually advocating for Bush era neocon shit.

Also this might be a whitepill where nominees with over 90 percent support usually go on to win. At least Trump has the unity factor behind him.

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Also how the fuck did Carter win 1976, his way of winning is super unorthodox and hasn't been done since or done before.
 
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Also how the fuck did Carter win 1976, his way of winning is super unorthodox and hasn't been done since or done before.
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New York City voters got so mad about Ford telling the city to "drop dead" when the city was on the brink of bankruptcy that they all went out and voted for Carter, and in the process, gave New York to Jimmy Carter. New York had a lot of sway in the electoral college since it held 41 electoral votes at the time.

Of course, there's also the political taint of Watergate that was haunting the Republicans too, but Jimmy Carter would've probably won the presidential election by a bigger margin if it wasn't for Gerald Ford's strong debate performances.
 
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What everyone needs to understand is that, any democrat post 2016 that still remains in the democratic party as of right FUCKING now is a lost cause. People like Tim Pool for example maybe grifters but they are also wishy washy fence sitters or people like Joe Rogan who are loosely democrat and don't buy into the dogma. Anyone who is watching those shows till now should be written off as a lost cause. Many of the former Jon Stewart alumni has lost their shows over the years and I personally gave up on Noah and Colbert after 2017 but it was being dull as fuck and boring over the same orange man bad shit however I was not on the Trump train just because they were so FUCKING boring. I personally jumped on the Trump train around the middle of impeachment when it was clear it was just pure bullshit and democrats were actually advocating for Bush era neocon shit.

Also this might be a whitepill where nominees with over 90 percent support usually go on to win. At least Trump has the unity factor behind him.

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Also how the fuck did Carter win 1976, his way of winning is super unorthodox and hasn't been done since or done before.
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The reason why those with >90% votes in the primary won the election is because they were incumbents. The incumbency factor is a major factor in elections; people tend to vote for what they know rather than the possibility of an unknown. This is also why senators and representatives generally remain in Congress for life, it's hard to mount a challenge against someone who's been around for decades.

Generally, the only way for an incumbent to lose is through some major scandal or failure on their part. Carter didn't win reelection in 1980 because of the malaise economy and the Iran hostage crisis, and Bush didn't win reelection in 1992 because he went back on his promise of "no new taxes," which caused the economy to falter (also Ross Perot took a huge share of the vote which could have put Bush over the top). The Dems have been hoping to stain Trump's presidency with anything they can get their hands on, first with claims of Russian interference, then the Ukraine stuff leading to impeachment. The Wu Flu was likely their best shot at making something stick, both in terms of scandal ("Trump killed 200k people!") and failure ("Trump ruined the economy!"). Problem is, most of the blame really lies on the Democrat governors that have been killing their states' economies to damage Trump, and despite the constant framing in the media, I think a lot of people are aware of that.

I don't really think scandal is enough, unless it's so bad that the president would have to resign, and by then it's a moot point. You also need a charismatic opponent that can convince the public that they have a plan to undo the mistakes of the incumbent. Reagan fit the bill, as did Slick Willy. This time around, the Dems have a senile old man who can't get through a softball interview without notes or a teleprompter, who's barely understandable half the time, and the other half he's hiding in his basement. Put that up against Trump, and it's clear who's got all the gusto in the room. A weak, middling old fart who looks like he'll blow over in a stiff breeze is not the sort of man you want running a toll booth, let alone the greatest country in the world. And with a running mate so reviled by the public that she had to drop out before the first primaries, there's nothing to excite voters on the Dem ticket.

This is why I'm remaining cautiously optimistic. The Dems have shown what they want to do if given power again, and I think a lot of people are terrified of that prospect. Biden has no enthusiasm even among diehard Democrats, who only want to vote for him because Orange Man Bad. Trump has more enthusiasm than probably any other candidate in recent memory; look at how he had almost as many primary votes as Biden, in a completely safe primary where he was basically running unopposed. Trump has tons of supporters that are ready and willing to get out the vote on election day, and it's my hope that it will carry him to victory. Assuming, of course, the Dems don't cheat enough to alter the outcome.
 
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Biden is on track to hit at least 60 million votes. At least democrats have been consistent on popular vote numbers whereas for Republicans, it's a hit or miss. Usually Republicans in the post Reagan era start at a disadvantage compared to democrats thanks to urban areas. This election seems more like 2004 than 1992.
 
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Screw Danlon said:
Except, to play devil’s advocate for a minute - we as a society have already held that falsehoods do not automatically count as constitutionally protected - the old falsely shouting fire in a theatre example - if it’s both known to be untrue and dangerous.
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Untrue.

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Brandenburg,
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Wikipedia said:
The case was later partially overturned by Brandenburg v. Ohio in 1969, which limited the scope of banned speech to that which would be directed to and likely to incite imminent lawless action (e.g. a riot)
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It has nothing to do with "falsehood". It's whether or not you're literally about to start a riot. If I had one wish I'd be tempted to make it that the "fire in a movie theater" myth be wiped from existence.
 
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MrJokerRager said:
Biden is on track to hit at least 60 million votes. At least democrats have been consistent on popular vote numbers whereas for Republicans, it's a hit or miss. Usually Republicans in the post Reagan era start at a disadvantage compared to democrats thanks to urban areas. This election seems more like 2004 than 1992.
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Joe can have all the popular votes he wants. Long as Trump has at least 270 electoral votes, he's back in the White House and Joe is back in the basement. That's all that matters. Also keep in mind Hillary's popular vote margin came from just two states - CA and NY. Absent those, Trump would have won the popular vote.
 
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Andrew Bates, Biden Campaign "Rapid Response" spokesman, is freaking the fuck out. He's furiously re-tweeting anything about Trump's Chinese bank account and Rudy Giuliani's Borat appearance. He claimed they weren't contacted for comment before the NYPost published their article, then when called out, he came back saying, "Well actually it went to the Spam folder! Because NYPost is Spam!"

He also references the "more than 50 former intelligence officials" who signed the letter saying the documents "might be" Russian disinformation (which has been countered by current officials at FBI and DOJ saying it's not). A lot of his staff have been referencing/re-tweeting this--It seems like they can't deny it themselves, so they instead cover their asses by pointing to the vague, speculative "expert opinion" of these outsiders who say it "bears the hallmarks" of a smear, "could be" Russia, etc.
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Andrew Bates, Biden Campaign "Rapid Response" spokesman, is freaking the fuck out. He's furiously re-tweeting anything about Trump's Chinese bank account and Rudy Giuliani's Borat appearance. He claimed they weren't contacted for comment before the NYPost published their article, then when called out, he came back saying, "Well actually it went to the Spam folder! Because NYPost is Spam!"

He also references the "more than 50 former intelligence officials" who signed the letter saying the documents "might be" Russian disinformation (which has been countered by current officials at FBI and DOJ saying it's not). A lot of his staff have been referencing/re-tweeting this--It seems like they can't deny it themselves, so they instead cover their asses by pointing to the vague, speculative "expert opinion" of these outsiders who say it "bears the hallmarks" of a smear, "could be" Russia, etc.
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I have to say, the Chinese bank account and the Borat picture are weak surprises. Hope Rudy has something big tomorrow, but it will most likely be nothing.

Trump will still go above and beyond to steamroll Biden tomorrow.
 
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