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[SteelPlatedHeart]

They posted the full Darkwing Duck special on YouTube officially.

 

[Ruin]

I think if this had been made in 2020 it would have been huge. We had a non shitty version of Rick and Morty and they fucked it up.

 

[Private Pyle]

What I don't get is why only the female characters. Did the creators of the reboot just hate the voices? Or did they try to replace everyone, but couldn't?

From what I understand, they wanted to make the reboot fresher and hip by having new VAs for the girls, even casting a teen actress for Bubbles. Although you had unexplainable recasts, like the head writer of the reboot voicing Princess despite Jennifer Hale returning as Ms. Keane.

I think if this had been made in 2020 it would have been huge. We had a non shitty version of Rick and Morty and they fucked it up.

There were a lot of hidden gems amongst the crap that got screwed over for the crime of not being South Park and Ugly Americans was one of them. CC’s newfound dedication to animation, even if it’s just reboots for now, might yield better fruit.

On the topic of Rick and Morty; who would have guessed that show would be what AS would invest so much in?

 

[Dark Emporer Dood]

It might be because of the program used. A lot of modern animation software like Toonboom Harmony and Adobe After Effects "fills in" motion between keyframes automatically and leads to things looking very robotic or overly clean if you don't go back in and individually adjust each frame in-between. It's useful for said in-betweening purposes but unfortunately does lead to things looking a bit too perfect and takes away from the charm of 2D animation.

The western method of animating is 60% animation and 40% digital puppetry that often re-uses shapes in a Tim Buckley sort of way. The main thing that Toon Boom/Adobe seems to struggle with is animating walks since characters are "rigs" instead of independent drawings. Between Animaniacs and Wabbit, I've noticed a trend of fluid almost over done animation at points and tweeny paper cut out bits for other scenes, particularly crowds.

I don't really have much to say on the Trump gag, was just a few seconds of the trailer. The biggest problem with presidential gags is that they age like cheese. Did they use new writers to save money or is it some kind of screwy union/guild thing?

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

The western method of animating is 60% animation and 40% digital puppetry that often re-uses shapes in a Tim Buckley sort of way. The main thing that Toon Boom/Adobe seems to struggle with is animating walks since characters are "rigs" instead of independent drawings. Between Animaniacs and Wabbit, I've noticed a trend of fluid almost over done animation at points and tweeny paper cut out bits for other scenes, particularly crowds.

I don't really have much to say on the Trump gag, was just a few seconds of the trailer. The biggest problem with presidential gags is that they age like cheese. Did they use new writers to save money or is it some kind of screwy union/guild thing?

All new writers, none of the original writers are back, but if they had been back they'd have done a Trump joke too.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

I was dreading that the new animaniacs was going to suck ass and would you look at that...I was sadly correct...again.
Im so tired being correct about my cynicism, a little bit of variety would help, world!

Anyway, I already knew it wasnt going to work because the culture that animaniacs thrived and parodied doesnt exist anymore and the current culture is too sensentive to be properly parodied. I mean, I could see OG animaniacs doing an Epstein reference (tho subtle) but I cant see the rebooted ones doing since that would obviously push leftists buttons but they will gladly push conservative ones.

For example, why make Trump a cyclops? It feels too random, OG animaniacs had random humor but it usually still had a method to its madness, like the fingerprints scene (suddenly Prince appears but then wacko repeats the punchline and Prince is gone). It was random? Yes but not TOO random to the point it came out of nowhere. The punchline with Trump being a cyclops is childishly obvious, he is a monster! A fat big ugly monster, guys!

Also the mansplaning line...christ, way to make me cringe at one of my favorite opening theme songs.

And it seems Slappy and Minerva arent coming back...the former because aparently she was voiced by one of the original writers and almost none of them are back and the latter because its current year and fuck if we dare make someone sexy.
This is dead on arrival

And let's hope Pinky and the Brain won't end up with Elmyra again.

 

[The handsome tard]

And let's hope Pinky and the Brain won't end up with Elmyra again.

An idea so stupid that the writers didnt even bother to hide they were being FORCED to do that shitty spin off. The opening itself said so. Thats a huge level of "not giving a shit" that I love...and that would never happen nowadays.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

An idea so stupid that the writers didnt even bother to hide they were being FORCED to do that shitty spin off. The opening itself said so. Thats a huge level of "not giving a shit" that I love...and that would never happen nowadays.

The executives had been pushing for them to do it for a while before the spinoff. Apparently it all went back to when they tried putting the show in primetime on the WB's first year, and it failed. So they wanted to change the show so it could work in primetime. They wanted more characters, make it more like a sitcom...

The writers thought it was a bad idea and knew it, and they made fun of it outright on the show - twice. The first was in "Pinky and the Brain... and Larry," where they inserted a new character just to show how he upset the dynamic and was pretty much useless. The second was "You'll Never Eat Food Pellets in This Town Again," where the network executives try to change the show and make it bomb in the ratings. (The latter was the last script Peter Hastings wrote before he left to work at Disney. You can guess how he felt about the situation at the time.)

And then, needless to say, they did it anyway. The writing on this wasn't necessarily bad - there were some good episodes - but it didn't help the ratings and so they canceled it and burned it off on the Big Cartoonie Show, where all the comedy cartoons went after Pokemon came on.

 

[Clockwork_PurBle]

I gave Rick and Morty a chance during the Season 3 hype (I had never heard of it before then oddly) and I enjoyed what I watched. I got through the first season and left off during the Season 2 episode where the "show me what you got" giant head thing happens with Obama. I just lost interest.

Rick and Morty did something though that unsettled me, and colored my perception of the show. I did not like what they did with the Cronenberg episode, where they destroyed their universe, abandoned their family in that universe, and took over a new one. That just...didn't sit well with me. It was so out of left field. I normally like disturbing and weird stuff but I REALLY didn't like that. Just...no.

I like continuity and character development but I really didn't want Rick and Morty to turn into something like that. I thought it was gonna be a largely episodic show with a level of character development and continuity, kinda like the Nick sitcoms. Why did they have to go so hard with plot later on like Adventure Time and shit?

 

[starborn427614]

Haven't really kept up with the release schedule, but is there a date for when Primal's first season will be complete? I've been deliberately holding off until it's done so I can binge the whole thing.

 

[The handsome tard]

I gave Rick and Morty a chance during the Season 3 hype (I had never heard of it before then oddly) and I enjoyed what I watched. I got through the first season and left off during the Season 2 episode where the "show me what you got" giant head thing happens with Obama. I just lost interest.

Rick and Morty did something though that unsettled me, and colored my perception of the show. I did not like what they did with the Cronenberg episode, where they destroyed their universe, abandoned their family in that universe, and took over a new one. That just...didn't sit well with me. It was so out of left field. I normally like disturbing and weird stuff but I REALLY didn't like that. Just...no.

I like continuity and character development but I really didn't want Rick and Morty to turn into something like that. I thought it was gonna be a largely episodic show with a level of character development and continuity, kinda like the Nick sitcoms. Why did they have to go so hard with plot later on like Adventure Time and shit?

The funny thing is that S3 is when I dropped the series. I actually really enjoyed S2. Season 3 dropped the ball because it seemed to make any sort of character developtment in the first two seasons nullified. I thought we would be introduced to new cool side characters that relate to Rick and his hidden depths (like Bird Person) but the show resumed to be all about nihilistic comedy and Rick suddenly became a straw nihilist he was suppose to only LOOK like he is. Besides the show made ti very inconsistent if Rick is ever truly in danger or if he is borderline unstoppable. Its like they wanted to keep him human but not too human that he cant still act like the author's avatar.
Dont even get me started on Rick and Summer, somehow they became as clueless as their S1 selves but Morty is now an asshole so there is no foil to Rick's cynicism, no "counter" to prove that he might be wrong (and even when he is not, he can recognize that he is still in the wrong for NOT being wrong if that makes any sense). Besides the whole stuff with Toxic Rick didnt make a lick of sense, Normal Rick cares for Morty but suddenly its established that Toxic Rick's care for his morty is a toxic trait?
S3 was all over the place and not in a good way, it felt extremely bitterful, especially the Vindicators episode...that episode was awful. I just wanted to remind the creators that other writers deconstructed super heroes without making them all to be borderline monsters.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

The funny thing is that S3 is when I dropped the series. I actually really enjoyed S2. Season 3 dropped the ball because it seemed to make any sort of character developtment in the first two seasons nullified. I thought we would be introduced to new cool side characters that relate to Rick and his hidden depths (like Bird Person) but the show resumed to be all about nihilistic comedy and Rick suddenly became a straw nihilist he was suppose to only LOOK like he is. Besides the show made ti very inconsistent if Rick is ever truly in danger or if he is borderline unstoppable. Its like they wanted to keep him human but not too human that he cant still act like the author's avatar.
Dont even get me started on Rick and Summer, somehow they became as clueless as their S1 selves but Morty is now an asshole so there is no foil to Rick's cynicism, no "counter" to prove that he might be wrong (and even when he is not, he can recognize that he is still in the wrong for NOT being wrong if that makes any sense). Besides the whole stuff with Toxic Rick didnt make a lick of sense, Normal Rick cares for Morty but suddenly its established that Toxic Rick's care for his morty is a toxic trait?
S3 was all over the place and not in a good way, it felt extremely bitterful, especially the Vindicators episode...that episode was awful. I just wanted to remind the creators that other writers deconstructed super heroes without making them all to be borderline monsters.

Wasn’t Seasom 3 when they added a bunch of writers because they were getting shamed for not having any female in the writer’s room? I remember that was the season that Summer and Beth suddenly became more competent and smarter than Rick in some areas.

 

[The handsome tard]

Wasn’t Seasom 3 when they added a bunch of writers because they were getting shamed for not having any female in the writer’s room? I remember that was the season that Summer and Beth suddenly became more competent and smarter than Rick in some areas.

I mean, yeah? And fans kept blaming the new female writers on the loss of quality? I cant and wont blame them for it, I think its a where everyone involved is equally as guilty for a shitty job. Tho I do admit that it feels like the writing of S1 and 2 just wasnt there. And I personally found Beth and Summer just unbearable in that season, the former because her simping for Rick had just become too much to stand (that season made me actually side with Jerry, how was that possible?) and the latter because her level of intelligence was rather inconsistent (sometimes she was used to the sci-fi stuff like you expect after 2 seasons and the other she is somehow dumber than her S1 self).

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

I mean, yeah? And fans kept blaming the new female writers on the loss of quality? I cant and wont blame them for it, I think its a where everyone involved is equally as guilty for a shitty job. Tho I do admit that it feels like the writing of S1 and 2 just wasnt there. And I personally found Beth and Summer just unbearable in that season, the former because her simping for Rick had just become too much to stand (that season made me actually side with Jerry, how was that possible?) and the latter because her level of intelligence was rather inconsistent (sometimes she was used to the sci-fi stuff like you expect after 2 seasons and the other she is somehow dumber than her S1 self).

I just meant more that the major change to the writers room is what affected the quality, not that they were female.

 

[The handsome tard]

I just meant more that the major change to the writers room is what affected the quality, not that they were female.

I know, I just referenced that a bunch of idiot fans blamed the new female writers.

 

[Private Pyle]

All new writers, none of the original writers are back, but if they had been back they'd have done a Trump joke too.

It would have aged as well as the Clinton jokes they made back then only with slightly more vitriol.

I gave Rick and Morty a chance during the Season 3 hype (I had never heard of it before then oddly) and I enjoyed what I watched. I got through the first season and left off during the Season 2 episode where the "show me what you got" giant head thing happens with Obama. I just lost interest.

Rick and Morty did something though that unsettled me, and colored my perception of the show. I did not like what they did with the Cronenberg episode, where they destroyed their universe, abandoned their family in that universe, and took over a new one. That just...didn't sit well with me. It was so out of left field. I normally like disturbing and weird stuff but I REALLY didn't like that. Just...no.

I like continuity and character development but I really didn't want Rick and Morty to turn into something like that. I thought it was gonna be a largely episodic show with a level of character development and continuity, kinda like the Nick sitcoms. Why did they have to go so hard with plot later on like Adventure Time and shit?

All signs point to Dan Harmon’s writing style leaking in to the show.

I know, I just referenced that a bunch of idiot fans blamed the new female writers.

The ironic part is that many of the worst received episodes still had the day one writers, so it made no sense to blame new writers, female or otherwise.
It’s like how people still blame Jesse Zuke for everything that went wrong with the show when the flaws were a group effort.

 

[starborn427614]

It would have aged as well as the Clinton jokes they made back then only with slightly more vitriol.

All signs point to Dan Harmon’s writing style leaking in to the show.

The ironic part is that many of the worst received episodes still had the day one writers, so it made no sense to blame new writers, female or otherwise.
It’s like how people still blame Jesse Zuke for everything that went wrong with the show when the flaws were a group effort.

Ah, Zuke. There's a name I haven't heard in a while and hopefully won't again for just as long.

 

[Private Pyle]

Ah, Zuke. There's a name I haven't heard in a while and hopefully won't again for just as long.

You probably won’t be. They all but vanished after leaving the show. Last anyone heard from Zuke, they were raising money for apartment rent.

 

[starborn427614]

You probably won’t be. They all but vanished after leaving the show. Last anyone heard from Zuke, they were raising money for apartment rent.

I like to reserve my pettiness for special occasions, but after reading their private blog I'm 100% certain they deserved everything they got themselves into. But that's a completely different tangent for a different thread.

 

[The handsome tard]

I think if this had been made in 2020 it would have been huge. We had a non shitty version of Rick and Morty and they fucked it up.

Holy shit, I remember Ugly Americans.

I remember really enjoying it but Im not sure if its really good like I remember it. Perhaps I could pay a visit to very legal sites (in minecraft) to watch some episodes to confirm that.

I do remember the music in it tho, especially the "moral" segment (to this day Im not sure if the moral segments were suppose to be a joke or if they were for real...maybe a bit of both, some of them were rather good like "not forgetting to have a soul")

Edit: I just remembered they had a Twilight joke there...outdated? Heavily but its the "time capsule" type of situation, makes me remember a time where things were way better. At least back then a cough or sneeze wasnt attempted homicide.