New York Post got their hands on a hard drive from Hunter Biden's laptop and shows Joe Biden lied about Hunter's dealings with Ukraine

Couple stories on the New York Post

FBI has had the laptop for over a year already and didn't say anything. Remember when Trump got impeached for congratulating the new President of the Ukraine?

What the hell is the FBI doing?

Supposedly there is also a video of him engaged in a "sex act" and a couple of photo's of him. This is one is particular juicy

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The basic allegations of the corruption stuff are pretty iron-clad at this point, and it can't be spun away from Joe, the candidate. The Hunter deviant stuff is interesting and could be used as a hook, but for electioneering, it's only useful as an hors d'oeuvre to get people interested in the emails and business partners detailing corruption. I think they really got the order of the leaks wrong.
I'm not sure.

They started out with light info on everything, then went to Hunter being degenerate while sliding in more of his bag-man role, with hints of Joe's involvement in that. Now they've got Joe directly interacting to protect Hunter from the paedo stuff. It feels like they're building narrative that implicates Joe in everything Hunter has done. The next release should (if I'm right) be direct communications from Joe to Hunter et al, about his involvement in laundering, or some other international corruption.

If I'm right. I might not be, but it feels like that's the narrative they've been building: that Joe is inextricably linked to Hunter's activities, sexual and financial.

If they released it all at once, or if they led with just the corruption angle, it would be harder to push the story, I think. It could have been easier to disclaim Joe's involvement. Demonstrating that he's intimately involved in every aspect of Hunter's fuckery makes it that much harder to disentangle.
 
I'm going to need a source on how has been, autistic and aging punk performer Jello Biafra figures in all this.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Über_Alles#Meaning

The lyrics are a pointed, satirical attack on Jerry Brown, the Governor of California from 1975–1983 (and later 2011–2019), and are sung from his perspective, as an imaginary version of Brown outlines a hippie-fascist vision of America. The line "Serpent's egg already hatched" is a reference to a comment on the corrosive nature of power from William Shakespeare's play Julius Caesar, and also a reference to the Ingmar Bergman film The Serpent's Egg set in 1920s Berlin that gets its title from the Shakespeare play. The lines "Big Bro on white horse is near" and "now it is 1984" refer respectively to a statement Brown made during his first governorship that Americans were supposedly looking for "a leader on a white horse", and to the totalitarian regime of George Orwell's classic novel Nineteen Eighty-Four to describe a future (from a 1979 perspective) where Jerry Brown has become President, and his "suede/denim secret police" kill "uncool" people in "organic poison gas" chambers.

Thought Biafra is a lefty and I bet he apologized and endorsed Brown somewhere between 2011 and 2019 to stop the Republicans who were totes fascists this time.
 
The basic allegations of the corruption stuff are pretty iron-clad at this point, and it can't be spun away from Joe, the candidate. The Hunter deviant stuff is interesting and could be used as a hook, but for electioneering, it's only useful as an hors d'oeuvre to get people interested in the emails and business partners detailing corruption. I think they really got the order of the leaks wrong.

Kind of. The problem is Joe's corruption is fairly certain but not iron-clad. The biggest revelation is about "the big guy" being informed about a deal, a possible meeting with Joe that he denies, and alleging that Joe gets a cut of his kid's money. But it's not spelled out, he isn't named, it's intentionally left open to interpretation, and we don't have confirmation outside of the suggestive e-mails.

The biggest confirmation in that vein was Bobulinski, the business partner who made some accusations, but we haven't seen his documentation and his story hasn't been fully developed yet. The things we have from the laptop are exactly the kind of starting point that should spark deep investigations, and we don't have that yet.

If I had to bet my bank account on it, I'd say the Bidens are actually corrupt. If I had to bet my bank account on organizing this thread into a convincing argument for an antagonistic debate, I would not bet on convincing a skeptical questioner.

With that being the case, yes, the Hunter pictures are a distraction. They don't help the above case for corruption, even if they draw interest in the overall situation. But all you can definitively prove is a politician's son did some whoring and crack-smoking. And as soon as you veer into unproven parts of the story, whether it's about incest or Ukrainian corruption, the skepticism gets applied generally to the rest of it.
 
I have a friend that's absolutely convinced that the stories are false, not because of Russia or whatever, but because there's no way CNN or Fox would pass on reporting if they were true. It'd just be too lucrative.

We're living in separate realities at this point.
Tbf that's not super flawed reasoning to me.

You saw it earlier, where despite the embargo some blue checkmark couldn't help but talk about it.
 
The low info voter will never know about any of this as this is not being saturated on TV news or social media.

You could have video evidence of Joe killing a whore and chopping up the body, but if the media suppresses it or calls in "fact checked disinfo", the average low info person will never know or believe it.
Are we seriously in a proles and outer party type situation where the majority of the general public are braindead 'tards and we're the smartest people we could possibly know?
 
They don't even know that there is a story about a Hunter Biden laptop. I've asked them.
Same on my end. The censorship has worked for everyone who isn't constantly trying to stay on top of things.

I wish they'd get to the fucking point already instead of being drama queens and dragging it out, however. I don't even care anymore because it doesn't seem like it will impact the election and I doubt Trump is going to push for locking any Bidens up.
 
Are we seriously in a proles and outer party type situation where the majority of the general public are braindead 'tards and we're the smartest people we could possibly know?
Replace "smart" with "informed".
Being on a site that lets you call people retarded because of poor sourcing and citation is bigger than you may think.
 
I want these things too, but 4 years have proven Trump isn't the guy to get it done.

He's good at the economic and diplomatic stuff, working on deals while the Democrats aren't paying attention. But he's completely failed to uproot the institutional rot in politics and government, mostly because it's beyond his capabilities right now, but also because he's trying to do normal Presidential things that need to get done too.

I hear a lot of cope like "you have to expose the swamp monsters before you drain the swamp", or "Trump is exposing the swamp and that's a win". It's true to an extent that Trump's presence is making them crawl out of the woodwork and show their faces. But they aren't being depowered, uprooted, investigated, shut down, or otherwise removed.

We're 4 years into alleged swamp-draining, and the intel agencies are still screwing Trump over, the criminals have cable news gigs, Big Tech is flexing more power than ever, and a corrupt senile 47 year politician is being carried to a close race for the Presidency through openly shady means. The closest thing we had to serious consequences was Trump getting impeached for investigating Biden's corruption.

Anyone who was going to clean house needs a lot of political capital to get it done. Trump has none. He has a grassroots movement and is slowly reforming the GOP into populism, but he doesn't have Congressional committees who'll cover for him, deep state connections to protect him, experienced reformers who will inform him, a political machine to enforce discipline, or the basic credibility to make accusations that stick.

(That doesn't mean he's naive, necessarily. Trump has frequently called out dirty or disloyal people and been proven right later on. But he lacks the organization or attention span to actively root them out, and he lacks the back bench of loyalists to replace them. He also lacks the personality to dig deep into bad organizations and do detailed reforms--he prefers "fire and forget", then making top-down executive orders.)

If Trump gets re-elected, I expect the bluster about Biden to instantly die down. The FBI will eventually unclench once they realize Joe Biden isn't getting power back, Hunter probably gets an official slap on the wrist, and everyone gets to quietly fade away with just some spicy rumors to float around them.
I get where you’re coming from, but I’m not certain that a president who does meet all of those qualifications can actually exist. Mostly because a lot of what you’re describing has literally zero to do with the President themselves and almost everything to do with the very corrupt systems that are fighting back for their own survival.

It’s hard to get people on the inside to support you when “the inside” is rotten to its core and the people in power are more than willing to dismantle you if you even hint at fighting back. Just ask General Flynn.

I’m not sure there’s anyone in the game who could get together the political capital to drain the swamp because, like with Trump, the swamp has an entire media and government apparatus at it’s disposal to defame and undermine anyone who even looks like they’re going to tackle the corruption.

The best Trump could ever do was get the process started, and at least he’s done that, even if it hasn’t been with the finesse that people were hoping for.

The biggest irony in it all is the fact that the president who acts the least presidential of any executive in half a century has done more to expose the fact that all the whinging about decorum from the establishment is just a front for politicians who are more deeply corrupt and amoral than anyone could have ever expected.
 
Are we seriously in a proles and outer party type situation where the majority of the general public are braindead 'tards and we're the smartest people we could possibly know?

If anything if any of us are in the USA we're all morons for digging into this, I would think. If only because of the potential liability.
 
Kind of. The problem is Joe's corruption is fairly certain but not iron-clad. The biggest revelation is about "the big guy" being informed about a deal, a possible meeting with Joe that he denies, and alleging that Joe gets a cut of his kid's money. But it's not spelled out, he isn't named, it's intentionally left open to interpretation, and we don't have confirmation outside of the suggestive e-mails.

It just ends up being unless Hunter has an email from Joe Biden saying "Hello I'm Joe Biden and I'm a super pedo, and I also am in Chinas pocket AMA" you aren't convincing anyone who wasn't already suspicious I think. The FBI and CIA could've come down hard on the Biden family a year ago for foreign espionage. But they didn't. Which in my mind makes me think the big media, big tech, and establishment Government is essentially in the pocket of China. Because thats where the big money is. That's the only way I can explain why they are all acting they way they are.
 
Are we seriously in a proles and outer party type situation where the majority of the general public are braindead 'tards and we're the smartest people we could possibly know?
I mean... when 33%+ of democrats believe the economy was in the shitter prior to covid hitting this year because they only watch MSNBC... what do you want to call that?
 
This is a Big Fucking Claim, so I am appropriately waiting for Big Fucking Evidence.

That said, if this ends up being true...

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Edit: On further reflection, I realize it is fucking classless of me to be excited in any way about the fact that a young girl was possibly being molested. If true, Biden is beyond fucking scum and should retire the race immediately. Anyone who knew about this but supported his campaign or public service should be held publicly responsible.

I got ahead of myself when my first reaction should have been this:
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You're on Kiwi Farms. You abandoned class a long time ago.
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That's a little ironic, isn't it.
Also his appearance on Law and Order SVU. Oh fuck I forgot the Tara Reade stuff. That shit also happened.
 
I want a special prosecutor to investigate Joe and Hunter Biden.

I want the same special prosecutor to investigate Hillary Clinton and her fucking emails.

I want them to have a mandate to investigate not only what Hunter did, but what other politicial families were involved. Kerry, Pelosi, and Schumer's kids were all mentioned already, back as the impeachment started.

Unfortunately unless there's an active electoral blowout Nov 3rd this won't be over until December at the earliest.
Who do you hate enough to make them risk a two bullet suicide?
 
Which in my mind makes me think the big media, big tech, and establishment Government is essentially in the pocket of China. Because thats where the big money is. That's the only way I can explain why they are all acting they way they are.
Oh, it's much worse. They think they have China in their pocket. They think they are exploiting China and are too self centered to even consider that it might be the other way around.
 
I get where you’re coming from, but I’m not certain that a president who does meet all of those qualifications can actually exist. Mostly because a lot of what you’re describing has literally zero to do with the President themselves and almost everything to do with the very corrupt systems that are fighting back for their own survival.

Maybe. But it has more to do with the guy at the top than you give credit for. Trump came in wanting to do some specific things (build a wall, re-negotiate trade deals, smack China around), and he focused on that; the swamp-draining stuff hasn't received much of his focus, if any at all. Nobody is going to clean house just because the boss whines to his aides about Hillary's e-mails.

If you want to root out deep state power, you need to start with a secure power base somewhere, and Trump simply doesn't have one. Congress vs agencies, the agencies vs Congressional children, one agency vs another, Congress and 1 agency against Big Tech, etc. Usually the political party steps in and provides a base the new President can leverage, but Trump came in fighting the GOP as well.

One can imagine a potential Presidential winner who comes in with full party support, and focuses his Administration on reform instead of trade deals. We just don't have one, yet.

It just ends up being unless Hunter has an email from Joe Biden saying "Hello I'm Joe Biden and I'm a super pedo, and I also am in Chinas pocket AMA" you aren't convincing anyone who wasn't already suspicious I think. The FBI and CIA could've come down hard on the Biden family a year ago for foreign espionage. But they didn't. Which in my mind makes me think the big media, big tech, and establishment Government is essentially in the pocket of China. Because thats where the big money is. That's the only way I can explain why they are all acting they way they are.

All they need is an e-mail that says "business deal X is in trouble, can you do anything about it?" Then a week later Joe Biden coincidentally makes a logged call directly to the person who is blocking X, who coincidentally suddenly drops their opposition. That's how the original accusation of corruption managed to stick, because Biden bragged about demanding a prosecutor be fired. But that 2nd step is missing from the laptop leaks, for now.

You'd still want an email from Hunter to Joe asking for help on X, or at least Hunter responding "I'll talk to the big guy", to call it iron-clad. But at that point you're arguing technicalities of the legal burden of proof, not the level of proof needed for a normie to believe it.
 
How ironic. Joe Biden, who sponsored the 1994 crime bill (which has no autocomplete drop-down results in Google; do it, punch in Joe Biden 1994 crime bill and watch as the list narrows to nothing) that put thousands of African-Americans behind bars for smoking crack has an incestuous pedophile crackhead for a son. :story:

"Finger" Lakes are absolutely beautiful this time of year!

Indeed, a beautiful place. One with a bit of a dark side, if rumors are to be believed.
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Now, this may just be speculation, but what if elite pedophiles have been using old Underground Railroad tunnels to traffic children and prostitutes? Huh, another stroke of irony. Tunnels that were meant to be used to ensure the freedom of escaped slaves over a century and a half ago are perhaps now used by slavers.
 
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