Leighanna Rose Walsh / Princess of the Crystal / ScarletJusticeWitch / Wetflame - Irish Phil & Pro Ronald McDonald Cosplayer.

[sugoi-chan]

No. Mutual respect here or there's nothing, as I've already said. For that to exist you cannot stand shoulder to shoulder with people making transphobic remarks.

And again, you're a hypocrite. I pointed out to you several examples of straight up transphobia which you seem to be okay with. But you're more representative of the trans community than I am.

Right.

Mutual respect is for those who verify that they are who they claim they are with a FB post or tweet mentioning the Kiwi Farms. I'll answer to those examples when you do so.

 

[Bassomatic]

Also, wow, you so don't get to decide what a valid trans woman is.

Why not, you never explained why you get to choose who is and isn't and if they repersent transexuals earlier.

 

[Roger Rabbit]

You don't seem particularly interested in my side of the story at all. Anything I post that goes into detail gets TL;DRed and ignored but yet you'll welcome lengthy posts d0xing people.

Nobody's even tried to be remotely respectful or treated me like a human being here, but yet I'm at fault for being "smug".

You think I doxed somebody? Far from it. They usually dox themselves, schmucko.

 

[Organic Fapcup]

I'm not mad. Of course I despise the majority of people here for being abusive trash(and have a right to after 10+ years of being abused by people like this), but I'm not going to get aggressive any time soon. And clearly d0xing upsets a lot of people so it's not up to you to decide it's irrelevant. Pretty much all of you have declared anything you do to others acceptable. It's a forum of group sociopathy that's been documented in studies like the one this guy mentions:

Trans people(and sex workers to think of another example) have met with much worse for being d0xed.

You're overcomplicating this. The Farms amount to bored people commenting on eccentrics and occasionally directly messing with them when they stop by.

 

[ScarletJusticeWitch]

If you weren't trans, people would attack your appearance.

Too late to claim moral high ground after using the term "uncle tom", you've already loudly declared yourself to be a generalizing bigot.

You can't prove that. People attack me for aspects of my appearance that are specifically related to me being trans. Also, attacks on one's appearance matter more to women, and especially trans women, who's womanhood is apparently conditional on whether or not they pass. A number of people here seem to be of that disposition.

Being trans is pretty clearly a huge factor here and your argument isn't remotely convincing except to people who share your broken, illogical thinking.

 

[NobleGreyHorse]

I have no respect for people who expect other people to refer to them by egotistical arbitrary names without going through the process of earning them.

Hang on a minute, you were being logical up until here. All kinds of people change their names for all kinds of reasons, many having nothing to do with gender transition. Authors use pseudonyms, and some change their names when they marry, making cataloguing their books a pain in the ass, but it's their right. The person being discussed in this thread is in Ireland, but last I looked, here in the US there was nothing special one had to do to deserve a name change, even a totally arbitrary one. If I wanted to dump my current name and be known as "Littlefoot McSmallshoes" because I have in fact got really tiny feet, what would I have to do to "earn" that? I bet you a donut you don't habitually refer to a particular assassinated Nation of Islam leader as "Malcolm Little" because large swaths of people would have no idea whom you were referring to.

 

[Blueberry]

@ScarletJusticeWitch

You fully support fraudulent deceptive activity. You are no better than Nigeria 419 scammers. You are an abuser, just like Chloe Sagal for your support of her behavior.

 

[Rabbit Bones]

People attack me for aspects of my appearance that are specifically related to me being trans.

If it makes you feel better, I think you were probably as unattractive as a male as your female charade is.

 

[Hat]

Also, attacks on one's appearance matter more to women, and especially trans women, who's womanhood is apparently conditional on whether or not they pass.

That's because someone who looks like a man in a dress looks like a man in a dress.

Being trans is pretty clearly a huge factor here

It's a factor because you people make it one.

 

[Alberto Balsalm]

Okay. But I'm certainly not required to not mention that you're bad people. And it shouldn't be so hilarious that I do point this out. It's a statement of fact, but there are some people that seem to take offence to it.

You're a bad guy or oyu're not. Shit or get off the pot. Don't pretend to be appealing to greater ideals if you have no problem bullying people to suciide. Many "libertarians"only like to look at rights on paper and not how they play out in real life. You don't have much of a right to freedom of expression if you're too afraid to speak up, ever.

Just saying, black-and-white thinking like this is very common among children and teenagers, because their brains have not developed enough to understand morality in complex terms. It's not our fault you haven't caught up to the rest of us.

 

[Vorkken]

You don't seem particularly interested in my side of the story at all.

Why should we be when you won't even prove you're Rose? A tweet takes two seconds.

 

[Ivan Komarov]

You don't seem particularly interested in my side of the story at all. Anything I post that goes into detail gets TL;DRed and ignored but yet you'll welcome lengthy posts d0xing people.

Nobody's even tried to be remotely respectful or treated me like a human being here, but yet I'm at fault for being "smug".

>Trannies
>Human beings
oh u :3

 

[The Dude]

Okay: I'm just going to draw a line here, I'm not going to respond to any posts that don't address this directly.

The consensus of the forum thus far seems to be:

The trans community, as a whole, does not think like I do, and in fact holds it is acceptable to refer to transwomen as he, men etc. as well as engaging in stalking, d0xing and other behaviours("just talking about them") that potentially put them at greater risk for suicide. It is acceptable to deadname trans women, and nobody has a right to say otherwise or they're policing them. It's also acceptable to attack a trans woman for her appearance, despite dysphoria being one of the most prominent aspects of being a trans woman.

Is this the agreed upon bottom line of this community?

We don't treat all trans people like you. Well, we do have some bigoted people like Introman, but most of us aren't anti-trans. We only talk about smug, entitled, nutjob dick-girls like you who chimp out and generally make a retarded spectacle of themselves on the internet. If they just act like decent, normal people we would have no reason to talk about them. That's why we have threads about SPECIFIC tranny tards instead of just a general "Transgendered Thread". Do you see the distinction there? We talk about people who make fools of themselves and not the trans community at large.

tl;dr: don't act like a retarded ape online and we won't talk about you.

 

[Ruin]

Oh shit I know this bitch. She used to shit up /lgbt/ under the alias CrystalPrincess. From what I remember she mostly hung out in passing threads and got majorly butthurt when people tried to give her tips on her hair/makeup.

 

[Rilakkuma]

Scarlet is ugly and I would not have sex with her.

 

[ULTIMATEPRIMETIME]

Rose, please tell us your side of this.

 

[Arkangel]

You're basically saying you're not required to not be bad people on the internet.

I am neither good nor bad. I simply am.

Okay. But I'm certainly not required to not mention that you're bad people.

You're not required to do anything. Everything you do on the internet is of your own accord.

Don't pretend to be appealing to greater ideals if you have no problem bullying people to suciide.

I'm not, and it was already established that suicide is a personal choice. To continue to insist that suicide is caused by outside forces makes you look more foolish than you already are.

You don't have much of a right to freedom of expression if you're too afraid to speak up, ever.

You don't seem afraid right now... why not try translating that to real life endeavors?

Also, wow, you so don't get to decide what a valid trans woman is.

Then neither do you.

Srugery shouldn't be a rquirement and sayng so just pushes people into a box

So, people should be allowed to arbitrarily call themselves whatever they want and it should be automatically respected and not criticized?

There's no one way for a woman to look, and to say otherwise is only proving the feminists you hate so much right taht you're misogynistic as fuck and hold that women should have to go to extra efforts just because they're women. I present mostly femme, but I don't tend to wear makeup often for a number of reasons.

I never said there was one way for a woman to look. You're attacking something I never said. Also, I don't hate feminists. I just don't jive with modern feminist ideology that seems to have co-opted every nonsensical thing under the sun. I'm also not a misogynist.

For someone who claims to be logical, you sure do like to use easily recognizable logical fallacies when arguing.

Hang on a minute, you were being logical up until here. All kinds of people change their names for all kinds of reasons, many having nothing to do with gender transition. Authors use pseudonyms, and some change their names when they marry, making cataloguing their books a pain in the ass, but it's their right. The person being discussed in this thread is in Ireland, but last I looked, here in the US there was nothing special one had to do to deserve a name change, even a totally arbitrary one. If I wanted to dump my current name and be known as "Littlefoot McSmallshoes" because I have in fact got really tiny feet, what would I have to do to "earn" that? I bet you a donut you don't habitually refer to a particular assassinated Nation of Islam leader as "Malcolm Little" because large swaths of people would have no idea whom you were referring to.

This is just my own personal belief. I'll grant that it was wrong and irrational of me to inject it into the conversation.

 

[Cynical]

@ScarletJusticeWitch

You're an asshole to people. That doesn't incline them to give a shit about you.

Being trans, male, female, or Martian would not affect that.

 

[Gensdupays]

June 8, 2015: Kiwi Farms is trolled big by successful shitposter who derails big by providing information about themselves.

 

[ScarletJusticeWitch]

(1) black or white fallacy

How? There hasn't been a single person in this argument that's admitted I have a point. You're suggesting a middle ground that doesn't exist. This fallacy works for false with us/against us dichitomies, but clearly people actually are unified against what I'm saying.

(2)Hasty generalisation

No. Here's why:

You can't appeal to the possibility of there being people that go against observed trends where there is no evidence of this tendency. While it would be fallacious for me to rule it out 100%, it's still pretty clear that it's what the data thus far is saying.

Also, here's another problem with that - group mentalities are a generalisation.

The point isn't that every person on the forum has exactly the same opinion, but there is clearly a dominant mode of thinking that goes to active effort to shut down dissent.

So, it's irrelevant. Even based on my initial posts, people told me I wouldn't get what I was looking for here, and to leave.

(3)Personal incredulity

Show me examples of people criticising the baseline attitude of these forums on a recurring basis.

Based on everything I've seen, it's consistent. I can't account for data I haven't been presented with.

(4) Appeal to emotion

That's not how appeal to emotion works. Appeal to emotion is a "think of the children!" type of fallacy.

It would take a much larger argument than this one to demonstrate why(feel free to read up on some oppression theory & trans 101s) - but transphobia is oppressive. Individual artefacts of that - like deadnaming - are oppressive. If we're talking about things that demonstrably hurt people, restrict their freedoms and inflict negative experiences on them - yes, deadnaming is wrong. I'm not trying to red herring here with an emotional appeal. If we're discussing morals here, then the emotional impact is going to be at the centre and forefront.

This is a completely invalid call of appeal to emotion.

(5) Slippery slope fallacy

... how? That's reaching even more than the last.

Also, let's face it, a lot of stuff to do with abuse and personal experience is going to be impossible to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt. But there are still clear observable trends, and I'm running with that.

Everything I said is true as an observable trend. You can't just list out fallacies without explaining why they apply, anyway. That's some high tier neckbeard shit.