2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Nick has a lawyer on who is covering how they're stealing the election in Detroit. The fake kidnapping "plot" against the Governor gave them the excuse to change the election rules carte blanch and they're blatantly using that as an excuse to cheat.

For example, challenged ballots -- which they have made it nearly impossible to challenge due to COVID rules -- will now be counted as valid unless there's a recount... and you can't recount them unless it's stupidly close, and the only thing that will allow you to challenge them after they're "valid" is if a tiny post-it note doesn't fall off when the challenged ballot goes through a machine.

Basically ballot challengers will have to stay 12 feet away from everyone and if they complain at all the DNC's goons are trained to call 911 and have them removed. They even laugh that they can't do their jobs unless they bring binoculars. And it doesn't matter if they do, because the votes will be counted as valid anyway.

They won the state via 10,000 votes in 2016. There are 5000 precincts. They need to steal 2 votes per precinct to swing it.
 
I've kept hearing about how the mysterious Amish vote would somehow save Trump in Pennsylvania in case things were to look awry, and this confirms my doubts about it. Most Amish people are apolitical and see voting for another politicians as serving another master. While it's true every vote matters, they would not be a potential deciding vote unless we ended with a 2000 situation where Pennsylvania is decided by hundreds of votes. But given how the Democrats plan to cheat like they never cheat before, they will steal that margin away and at best, we get a nasty weeks long court fight that severely damages the trust in our republic.


Given that they almost certainly won't vote more than several thousands, I'd say that's a generous increase I gave. It's not wise to place your cope on a group that are apolitical in the first place.

I give Baris as much credit as I do because in most swing states in 2016, he was within a 0.5 margin of being correct. That is incredible, especially in an era where polling is becoming less reliable than ever. What misses he has happen to be on both sides of the political spectrums and they are not as often as media and university pollsters who falsify results or deliberately oversample Democrats to push a Democratic candidate landslide narrative. That doesn't mean a point miss isn't impossible, but a trustworthy and transparent pollster is probably going to be close to the truth. Especially when voter fraud might actually take the potential tipping point state.

The thing about the suburban voters is that they are the largest population of voters. Trump can make double digit gains in Philadelphia's urban area but if the margin of suburban voters decline by 15 or more - the largest demographic of voters - then he loses the states. He cannot afford to have massive bleeding in the suburbs.

Also Florida has a much different demographic than the Rust Belt. I know that Barnes pointed out that the white working class votes similarity to the Rust Belt, and I buy that, but Florida has a much different demographic than the Rust Belt. Miami-Dade County is turning out massively for Trump because he is doing so well among the Hispanic - especially Cubans and Venezuelans. He can win Florida by 2% and still lose the election because of the white suburban or rural voters who buy into Biden's decency argument and the false assumption that once he gets election, the boat will stop rocking (the seasick effect Baris pointed out). While Trump otherwise did great at the last debate, he failed to address this niche audience that may approve of his job but just want the whole drama to end. It doesn't matter how much we convince ourselves Florida is a lock (which I do agree with you on) if Biden gets a straight flush through the competitive Rust Belt states (not Ohio and Iowa) and wins the election because of the seasick voters.

Though to be fair, I do think the Rust Belt aren't totally unified by how they vote but rather separate into two groups. Ohio, Pennsylvania, and Michigan vote in a group together while Iowa, Wisconsin, and Minnesota vote together since the latter has the Norwegian voters while the former group are more attitudinal. It's possible that Trump can lose Pennsylvania and Michigan and still get re-elected by carrying Minnesota and Wisconsin (which will help deter faithless electorates from impacting the election), but the latter two states are hampered even worse by the issue of Biden's decency argument. We'll see how Wisconsin and Minnesota poll, but I would not be shocked to see Michigan, Wisconsin, and Minnesota at Biden+1-3.
Placing my ideal situation with the Amish vote was foolish without knowing how often they vote. I concede that point.

What I do not concede is how this race is headed and how polling only tells us half a picture into how we see the election. This is why I enjoy Barnes inclusion in episodes better for further insight.

Despite the "decency argument" and the "non response bias" registrations leading into Pennsylvania have trended Trump until the very end. This shows despite being called everything humanly possible, people are still registering with the same party as the one man dubbed to be the "death of mankind" by the media, especially in this year. That shows there is an observable momentum with Trump. Couple that with the lockstep the Republican party is towards Trump, he isn't losing many of GOP voters.

There is still 1 week out and Trump will hit PA again. The shift is happening even faster with Philadelphia in flames, which hasn't been fully accounted in Baris's polling due to him collecting over the weekend. A 0.7 Biden does not scare me now. The eve of the election, then I start wondering.

"Muh suburban women defecting" is not happening at the rate you think it is. Why do you think I posted those retarded cookie polls? For internet stickers? Those bakeries are in suburban areas and are ONLY bought by middle/upper middle class white women (shits $4 a cookie). It directly shows how the suburban white woman in that state is thinking when they go to those cookie stores and put out money to purchase support for their candidate. It shows enthusiasm for what their representative communities and they are ALL in the Rust Belt screaming Trump. It IS unscientific, but it shows that the "undesirability" argument is NOT a factor. You have to ORDER these cookies you know, usually in public.

Polling is gotten even harder in 2020 than 2016. Baris complained how Italians hated his long surveys and refused to answer. In general he had problems reaching representative samples since a county may have multiple representative samples needed. Luzurne County has small town Scranton but has smaller towns in the visinity (where multiple mayors endorsed Trump by the way.) With that, you need representative samples in multiple areas of the county of multiple demographics to have that sample. And that is only 1 county of interest. Baris of course knows this and tries to mitigate it, but he can only do so much without people picking up the phone.

People lie about who they vote for or don't answer because they see what it leads to. It all culminates to a giant clusterfuck of a result that noone really knows how to account for because it hasn't really happened in this capacity before.
 

Nick has a lawyer on who is covering how they're stealing the election in Detroit. The fake kidnapping "plot" against the Governor gave them the excuse to change the election rules carte blanch and they're blatantly using that as an excuse to cheat.

For example, challenged ballots -- which they have made it nearly impossible to challenge due to COVID rules -- will now be counted as valid unless there's a recount... and you can't recount them unless it's stupidly close, and the only thing that will allow you to challenge them after they're "valid" is if a tiny post-it note doesn't fall off when the challenged ballot goes through a machine.

Basically ballot challengers will have to stay 12 feet away from everyone and if they complain at all the DNC's goons are trained to call 911 and have them removed. They even laugh that they can't do their jobs unless they bring binoculars. And it doesn't matter if they do, because the votes will be counted as valid anyway.

They won the state via 10,000 votes in 2016. There are 5000 precincts. They need to steal 2 votes per precinct to swing it.
This is a lesson for future states that always swapping parties just to show displeasure at the POTUS backfires and people need to turn up in midterms.

How bad was the Republican candidate in PA, MI, WI and MN that they all have democrat governors. All their state legislatures are dominated by the GOP.
 
Stuff like that @HTTP Error 404 is why I will be very suspicious if Trump loses, because it's all but proven in a court of law that the Democrats are big fans of cheating and they're more motivated than ever because no president has pissed them off as much as Trump and they probably see him as the last obstacle before they're terminally in power. They missed the SCOTUS seats they've desired already, they can't let more damage be done.
 
Stuff like that @HTTP Error 404 is why I will be very suspicious if Trump loses, because it's all but proven in a court of law that the Democrats are big fans of cheating and they're more motivated than ever because no president has pissed them off as much as Trump and they probably see him as the last obstacle before they're terminally in power. They missed the SCOTUS seats they've desired already, they can't let more damage be done.
What could be possible is that the Scotus slaps down the extended election day counting by a 6-3 margin including Roberts to cement it.

And these democrat governors looking at the cunt in charge of Michigan decides to count them anyways. The governors in WI, MI and PA look like cucks compared to her.

New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico are the dark horse states that could go Trump to make up for Michigan and Pennsylvania.
 
There's a lot that can happen that won't be the least bit surprising on the Democrats' part is all.
eg SCOTUS tells them the rules apply and they ignore SCOTUS and do it all unofficially and it turns out Hillary Clinton is the pre- Joe Biden is the president after all and the SCOTUS is conducting election interference...
They may just cheat and get away with it and then they'll be vying for the Senate so they can implement their version of Order 66 by creating the state of the District of Columbia along with Puerto Rico...
They may just lose and scream it's all bullshit and the system needs to be burned down, then encourage and allow people to burn stuff down because orange man bad and he caused this.

I'd say the democrats have lost their minds but they're very aware of what they're doing, they just know they can get away with damn near anything.
 
There's a lot that can happen that won't be the least bit surprising on the Democrats' part is all.
eg SCOTUS tells them the rules apply and they ignore SCOTUS and do it all unofficially and it turns out Hillary Clinton is the pre- Joe Biden is the president after all and the SCOTUS is conducting election interference...
They may just cheat and get away with it and then they'll be vying for the Senate so they can implement their version of Order 66 by creating the state of the District of Columbia along with Puerto Rico...
They may just lose and scream it's all bullshit and the system needs to be burned down, then encourage and allow people to burn stuff down because orange man bad and he caused this.

I'd say the democrats have lost their minds but they're very aware of what they're doing, they just know they can get away with damn near anything.
Importing the third world also led to them importing third world election strategies.

California in 2016 was the test run as it was the only state to succeed in shutting down a Trump rally using violence.

Looks like election night will be a shitshow and Democrats have proved conservatives correct that they have changed since 1860. Biden referring to Trump as Lincoln was maybe foreshadowing something.
 
Importing the third world also led to them importing third world election strategies.

California in 2016 was the test run as it was the only state to succeed in shutting down a Trump rally using violence.

Looks like election night will be a shitshow and Democrats have proved conservatives correct that they have changed since 1860. Biden referring to Trump as Lincoln was maybe foreshadowing something.
Chicago did for the primaries, but its Chicago so...yeah.

New Hampshire, Nevada, Colorado and New Mexico are the dark horse states that could go Trump to make up for Michigan and Pennsylvania.

In order, the likely flips are NH being the easiest > Nevada > New Mexico > Colorado > Virginia being the hardest.
 
It forced Biden to disavow AOC and demoralize Bernie Bros even further.

Someone who doesn't realize that rioting is not a means; it is an end.
I see Trump using the Berniebros as a wedge issue and trying to force the fact that Biden is a pretty blue dog Dem to lower the turnout. But Trump clearly doesn't realize how spineless and stupid the socialists really are. its all empty threats. I just keep going back to the Bernie v Biden debate. Biden is neo-liberalism incarnate, he is the swamp, he is the man that destroyed "the real left" people on socialist websites were begging for such an event to occur and it did. And Bernie bent over and just agreed on him with everything. And the same thing will happen with the election. too many DSA, and Berniebros are willing to just give in despite knowing how it will effectively destroy the whole movement for at least a decade. they don't even have another politican to unite around.

Its a shit strategy that relies on soyboys being real men. and that plus pandering so much to minorities is whats going to have him narrowly lose the election. He and his people didn't do anything about the censorship or electoral rigging despite both being obvious issues 4 years ago. And its biting them in the ass massively now.
 
I see Trump using the Berniebros as a wedge issue and trying to force the fact that Biden is a pretty blue dog Dem to lower the turnout. But Trump clearly doesn't realize how spineless and stupid the socialists really are.
Not just lower turnout. Young activists do the grunt work of the party machine, the door knocking, phone calls and social media. I think that's reflected in Biden's shitty ground game. Green Party vote will be interesting to watch (where then dems haven't booted them off the ballot, anyway)
 
So, is it just me, or have the Democrats decided to even more full retard than usual for the last two weeks of the campaign? Openly professing court packing, coming out against fracking (again) and walking it back (again), and more riots over dumb deaths of dumber people. Meanwhile Trump is just leveraging AF1 and Marine 1 to do as many rallies as physically possible.
 
Fuck reliable pollsters, historical trends, registrations and rallies... WE GOT COOKIE POLLS UPDATES.
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wait, smiley face is running?
fuck, how do I change my vote!

With how much Orange Man is gonna blitz it in the last 48 hours of this cycle
 
This is a lesson for future states that always swapping parties just to show displeasure at the POTUS backfires and people need to turn up in midterms.

How bad was the Republican candidate in PA, MI, WI and MN that they all have democrat governors. All their state legislatures are dominated by the GOP.
I always thought Whitmer getting in was mostly due to Rick Snyder being so fucking awful that most people would take anyone with a "D" next to their name. Anyone I know from Michigan had NOTHING good to say about the guy. I often heard them referring to him as "slick Rick" before going on about what a asshole he was.
I think he did some damage to the Republican party of Michigan that is still being felt to this day. In fact I just learned the prick went ahead and endorsed Biden despite still being in the Republican party.
 
Not just lower turnout. Young activists do the grunt work of the party machine, the door knocking, phone calls and social media. I think that's reflected in Biden's shitty ground game. Green Party vote will be interesting to watch (where then dems haven't booted them off the ballot, anyway)
>young activists

for every acitivst that drank the grape flavor-aid. There was way more drug addicts and people that just wanted to get paid. you don't need an education or a car and can clear over $20 an hour if you have any experience.

also finding a non-white willing to do the work to get trump out is pretty fucking easy. Also as we saw the last decade, ground game might not mean as much in the age of social media/ who cares if some methhead doesn't remind you to vote Biden, when that podcast you listen to does
 
There's a lot that can happen that won't be the least bit surprising on the Democrats' part is all.
eg SCOTUS tells them the rules apply and they ignore SCOTUS and do it all unofficially and it turns out Hillary Clinton is the pre- Joe Biden is the president after all and the SCOTUS is conducting election interference...
They may just cheat and get away with it and then they'll be vying for the Senate so they can implement their version of Order 66 by creating the state of the District of Columbia along with Puerto Rico...
They may just lose and scream it's all bullshit and the system needs to be burned down, then encourage and allow people to burn stuff down because orange man bad and he caused this.

I'd say the democrats have lost their minds but they're very aware of what they're doing, they just know they can get away with damn near anything.
The good news about Democrats is that while they are evil they are by and large consistently stupid. The only thing they love wasting more than taxpayer money is THEIR OWN MONEY.

No better examples can be seen in the senate races of Mitch McConnell and Lindsay Graham. Even if you hate the ol Snapping Turtle you would have to be an idiot to live in Kentucky and hope Mitch loses that senate race. Even if you know little about politics you probably sense that if your Senator is the SENATE LEAD it is beneficial to your state at large to have him stay in power. Because when Mitch has large authority over the Senate that means Kentucky is more likely to benefit from government pork barrelling. Lindsay Graham manages to consistently be one of the more powerful senators so it's likewise stupid of S. Carolina to get rid of him. And both of them according to polling will easily defeat their incumbents.

You know who could have used that capital? Doug Jones of Alabama who is only in senate from a pure scandal fluke. He's got the advantage of being an incumbent so a giant cashbomb would have been appreciated. But no Democrats would rather give to total longshots. To be fair they have donated a lot of money to him (more than his GOP opponent) but it's very unlikely for him to hold onto the seat.

What really gets me is that Democrats are proud that Joe Biden has thrown a lot of money into TV Ads. "Oh wow Joe's buying ads for the World Series?" You know what I've noticed goes on when the TV cuts to commercials. I start playing with my phone. I watched the World Series and didn't notice Joe's ads. TV Ads with rare exceptions like the Superbowl are just background noise. But Democrats still think we're in the 1990s when today in 2020 even Grandma has an iPad.
 
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Chicago did for the primaries, but its Chicago so...yeah.



In order, the likely flips are NH being the easiest > Nevada > New Mexico > Colorado > Virginia being the hardest.
If you don't mind me asking what makes you think New Hampshire is the easiest flip. I've heard really mixed things about it that make me think it would be on the harder end of the spectrum
 
What really gets me is that Democrats are proud that Joe Biden has thrown a lot of money into TV Ads. "Oh wow Joe's buying ads for the World Series?" You know what I've noticed goes on when the TV cuts to commercials. I start playing with my phone. I watched the World Series and didn't notice Joe's ads. TV Ads with rare exceptions like the Superbowl are just background noise. But Democrats still think we're in the 1990s when today in 2020 even Grandma has an iPad.
Ackchually it’s all part of the Democrat machine. They have so many beaks to wet that they have to outraise Republicans 2-1 to keep the machine going. The media carrying water for the Democrats comes at a cost. Spending money on ads nobody watches is part of the exchange for hiding Democrat scandals. We laugh at the media death spiral but without leftist cash, most of them would be done by now.

They waste money because it’s part of the machine. All the pollsters, all the diversity consultants, it all adds up fast. So they will waste a lot of money because so many favors are owed. Democrats still have political machines that date back to the 19th century. Republicans, being the Outside Party, don’t have those kinds of expenses: they just have to keep Israel happy.

If you don't mind me asking what makes you think New Hampshire is the easiest flip. I've heard really mixed things about it that make me think it would be on the harder end of the spectrum
When Kris Kobach did his investigation of 2016 voter fraud, he found that if people followed the law, Trump actually should have won New Hampshire. That’s about the time several states refused to help Kobach. So if Trump actually won NH in 2016, I’d be interested to know how he would lose 2020.
 
This is a lesson for future states that always swapping parties just to show displeasure at the POTUS backfires and people need to turn up in midterms.

How bad was the Republican candidate in PA, MI, WI and MN that they all have democrat governors. All their state legislatures are dominated by the GOP.
Minnesota is similar to Wisconsin where we often prefer a split government and vote back and forth between DFL/GOP for governor. The legislature is split right now too, which is adding another layer and pissing off the DFL because they would rather run the state as a WuFlu autocracy. Jeff Johnson was the GOP candidate in 2014 and 2018 and was boring/had less name recognition. He lost by 4 more points in 2018 because Mark Dayton was a trainwreck who slurred his words regularly while Tim Walz was likable. Walz is so hated over his WuFlu restrictions now though that I do not think he will run for re-election in 2022. He has lost 15-20% support in a few months. People talk about how they want Dayton back over Walz LOL. Prior to Dayton winning, the last time Minnesota had a DFL governor was 1991.
 
Florida is really looking good right now for Trump, so good that Joe Scarborough rung the alarm yesterday.
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This is in addition to Nate Silver's 538 saying that Ohio is now leaning to Trump.
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As most people know Ohio & Florida are the two coveted "Bellweather" states that have with a few exceptions gone with the winner. Is it possible Joe could still win without these two states, sure. But it feels very unlikely. It would require Joe to nab the rest of the Rust Belt plus Arizona.
 
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