2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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One thing I've noticed - The Information Era is objectively the most prosperous period in human history, tantamount to a global golden age. Yet despite this, young people across the developed world from West to East have significant rates of depression, suicide, and a massive collapse in birthrate. Compare this to John B. Calhoun's "mouse utopia" experiment and the comparisons are incredible, if not depressing. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you go down the rabbit hole of his experiments.

For instance, there was a select group of mice called the "beautiful ones", which did nothing but groom themselves all day, comparable to social media addiction, or the males that completely withdrew from social interaction, comparable to the hikikomori in Japan.
Shit like this is the scientific equivalent of horoscopes, man - you can make any situation fit it if you torture the metaphor enough.

Everything's mouse utopia, everythings exactly what marx said would happen, everything's a perfect comparison to ancient civilisation number 75... until it isn't, then the next thing is.
 
So as a Eurofag I don't really have a stake in the election, but is there any genuine way to actually get a hint regarding the winner? I kinda want to put a few hundred on betting that Trump wins due to the high odds that are offered. But polls are clearly fraudulent as hell, regardless of which one I look up. No idea how there isn't more of a shitstorm regarding how blatantly biased and manipulative your polls are.

My personal opinion is that Trump will win, but honestly, I have no actual basis for that.
 
Shit like this is the scientific equivalent of horoscopes, man - you can make any situation fit it if you torture the metaphor enough.
Calhoun's experiments were focused on the effects of overpopulation, which was perceived as a central issue post-war. Admittedly, it was not focused on the effects of having a "utopia" necessarily, but the similarities between his experiments and society today is simply too much to pass off as a horoscope.
 
I only brought up Nixon because of Watergate. Outside of Watergate, he had a pretty great record.
Nixon also introduced wage and price controls during peace time, took us off the gold standard, turned a blind eye to Agnew's corruption in the WH, bombed the shit out of Cambodia and gave power to this man who started the neoliberal sellout to China
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Nixon was a strange and complex man.
Whoever thinks the 90s were America's golden years is retarded.
All the shit was going down with Epstein and it was being smoothly covered up.
 
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Been watching clips of debates past, specifically Regan. Remember when we used to shake hands and actually believe in the country instead of demonize the opposing side and try to tear it down with the entire country? Fuck, man. Things used to be so much brighter.
That's something I've noticed. Something both sides agree on is that something is deeply rotten at the core of modern America, they just disagree what's decaying. There used to be hope that things could get better, now most peoples hopes are "I hope this all burns to ashes, and we find something better sifting through the cinders".
 
One thing I've noticed - The Information Era is objectively the most prosperous period in human history, tantamount to a global golden age. Yet despite this, young people across the developed world from West to East have significant rates of depression, suicide, and a massive collapse in birthrate. Compare this to John B. Calhoun's "mouse utopia" experiment and the comparisons are incredible, if not depressing. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you go down the rabbit hole of his experiments.

For instance, there was a select group of mice called the "beautiful ones", which did nothing but groom themselves all day, comparable to social media addiction, or the males that completely withdrew from social interaction, comparable to the hikikomori in Japan.

I do wonder how much the idea of relative wealth factors in. I'm paraphrasing, but I recall a study that went something like, America's poorest self-report higher levels of anxiety and depression compared to those who are even poorer on an absolute scale, but relatively in-line with their neighbours. In other words, people in nations where everyone is poor report better outcomes compared to America's lower-class (who are still relatively well-off on a global scale).

I think about this often when it comes to modern-day politics, and believe this explains at least some of the anger that we're seeing. Not that it justifies the behaviour, but maybe that is why you see so many people with designer phones complaining about how under-privileged they are.
 
Most people don't want to burn anything down. That's what antifa, BLM and the like want. To burn it all down and rule over the ashes.
So do quite a few right wingers. More out of desperation then hate though, since they're just tired of constantly losing.

One thing I've noticed - The Information Era is objectively the most prosperous period in human history, tantamount to a global golden age. Yet despite this, young people across the developed world from West to East have significant rates of depression, suicide, and a massive collapse in birthrate. Compare this to John B. Calhoun's "mouse utopia" experiment and the comparisons are incredible, if not depressing. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you go down the rabbit hole of his experiments.

For instance, there was a select group of mice called the "beautiful ones", which did nothing but groom themselves all day, comparable to social media addiction, or the males that completely withdrew from social interaction, comparable to the hikikomori in Japan.
Clearly you need re-conditioning, remember now:
Best time in human history, 4x the suicide rate of WW2.
 
One thing I've noticed - The Information Era is objectively the most prosperous period in human history, tantamount to a global golden age. Yet despite this, young people across the developed world from West to East have significant rates of depression, suicide, and a massive collapse in birthrate. Compare this to John B. Calhoun's "mouse utopia" experiment and the comparisons are incredible, if not depressing. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you go down the rabbit hole of his experiments.

For instance, there was a select group of mice called the "beautiful ones", which did nothing but groom themselves all day, comparable to social media addiction, or the males that completely withdrew from social interaction, comparable to the hikikomori in Japan.
take a whole generation and tell each and everyone of them for their entire childhood, that they´re "spesshial" and "uniQ". then watch them meet adults, either in the workforce or in general and surprise, surprise, noone gives a shit
 
Calhoun's experiments were focused on the effects of overpopulation, which was perceived as a central issue post-war. Admittedly, it was not focused on the effects of having a "utopia" necessarily, but the similarities between his experiments and society today is simply too much to pass off as a horoscope.
Everything that Calhoun made was specifically designed as closed systems with very specific architecture where no rat could engage, challenge, or otherwise interfere with the system. At best, you could say it's a mock-up of a 'rich people live lives of plenty where every need is catered for' city, which isn't even realistic to the real equivalents which either have the people working incredibly hard to maintain their status or fall apart as soon as there's a cog in the works.
 
Most people don't want to burn anything down. That's what antifa, BLM and the like want. To burn it all down and rule over the ashes.
Stupidity reigns supreme nowadays. Don't try harder, be smarter, or work longer. Just ask for daddy gubberment to solve all your problems while your rights and freedom are stripped away. Get in that pod like the bug you are.

I only hope that people can see through the fake promises and blatant corruption.
 
I do wonder how much the idea of relative wealth factors in. I'm paraphrasing, but I recall a study that went something like, America's poorest self-report higher levels of anxiety and depression compared to those who are even poorer on an absolute scale, but relatively in-line with their neighbours. In other words, people in nations where everyone is poor report better outcomes compared to America's lower-class (who are still relatively well-off on a global scale).

I think about this often when it comes to modern-day politics, and believe this explains at least some of the anger that we're seeing. Not that it justifies the behaviour, but maybe that is why you see so many people with designer phones complaining about how under-privileged they are.

It's about keeping up with the Joneses. People want to be better than the others around them.

Imagine if someone offered you a salary of 50,000 in a neighborhood earning 30,000 average.

Then imagine if someone offered you 100,000 salary in a neighborhood earning, say, 150,000 average.

Many people would take the first option, because it lets them lord over their neighbors.

Facebook amplifies this problem a hundredfold than in the past.
 
It's about keeping up with the Joneses. People want to be better than the others around them.

Imagine if someone offered you a salary of 50,000 in a neighborhood earning 30,000 average.

Then imagine if someone offered you 100,000 salary in a neighborhood earning, say, 150,000 average.

Many people would take the first option, because it lets them lord over their neighbors.

Facebook amplifies this problem a hundredfold than in the past.
Social media is a net negative and needs to be destroyed. Especially Twitter and Facebook. Fuck Twitter and Facebook.
 
Whoever thinks the 90s were America's golden years is retarded.

Actually, I get why people look back at the 90's as a lost golden age, especially when compared to the 2010's and 2020.

Part of it is Millennial childhood nostalgia similar to the Boomer idyllic view of the 50's and 60's or Gen X's nostalgia for the 70's and 80's. But there's also an element to it that goes beyond mere nostalgia.

The 90's saw a massive economic boom in the United States and while crime was rampant in certain inner city areas, it was a lot more isolated and localized compared to the rest of the country and less intense than the even more widespread rates of violent crime in the 70's and 80's.

Not only was there a vibrant pop culture and a booming economy with burgeoning new technology, there was a sense of optimism that things were finally going to get better and we were headed to the future as we got closer to the New Millennium. People actually believed Francis Fukuyama's "End of History" theory had actual merit and at the time, it seemed kind of reasonable for the average American.

The Cold War ended peacefully and we were no longer living in fear of the inevitable nuclear apocalypse while the idea of a "War on Terror" seemed ridiculous at the time. There was a lot of shady stuff that was going on behind closed doors with the Clintons and the Bushes, but it was all closed doors and didn't extend beyond jokes about Whitewater and Monica Lewinsky.

9/11 was the first major blow to that mindset and then the Great Recession and the rise of Web 2.0 were the final nails in the coffin.

Shit like this is the scientific equivalent of horoscopes, man - you can make any situation fit it if you torture the metaphor enough.

Everything's mouse utopia, everythings exactly what marx said would happen, everything's a perfect comparison to ancient civilisation number 75... until it isn't, then the next thing is.

Agreed for the most part, although at least the Mouse Utopia has slightly more room to stand on than the writings of Marx or comparing directly to long gone ancient civilizations. It is interesting that the Mouse Utopia was an experiment to test the effects of overpopulation in a group whose needs are catered to and the Earth is at its most populated its ever been in history.

But as already pointed out, the Mouse Utopia was also laboratory controlled and mice aren't sapient like humans are.

Lolcows are the biggest examples of this. Think of how many of these guys could have gotten genuine help or at least rotted in peace if the Web didn't exist.

Eh, there were plenty of pre-internet lolcows like Jack Chick (who was also a major Web 1.0 lolcow and was active during the Web 1.5 and 2.0 eras) or Dan Quayle plus Florence Foster Jenkins and William McGonagall even before that and most lolcows were usually localized as the village idiot or that weirdo who lives across the street.

The vast majority of lolcows wouldn't be found without the internet and some of them would get help but CWC was pretty much screwed long before he was even discovered by the internet
 
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