2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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One major thing people forget about is that Calhoun's experiments were flawed from the beginning for the simple fact that he provided no enrichment activities or objects for the animals involved.

Mice, and especially rats are surprisingly intelligent, and playful and need things to do and keep themselves entertained with. This is something Calhoun did not factor into his experiments. He provided no toys, no new items to interact with, no wheels for the animals to run on, nothing. So, naturally with nothing to do besides eat, sleep, and fuck, and with increasingly cramped, and dreary quarters shared with antagonistic, and hyper-sexual creatures, it's no wonder the animals went batshit insane.

Just imagine how well you'd take it if you were trapped in what basically amounted to a large solitary confinement prison cell that you had to share with an ever-increasing population of incredibly violent, horny and bored strangers. Of course everything went to hell.

This is why his experiments don't hold up when you try to compare them to human life. Aside from the obvious fact that humans aren't mice, nor rats, humans have incredibly vast, and ever-increasing ways of entertaining themselves. These distractions might be a problem nowadays, but not having them would be even worse. Humans are blessedly creative and intelligent, and so long as they have ways to express those virtues, and maintain ways to keep themselves entertained, I don't think we would see an end result exactly the same as the ones in Calhoun's experiments. Make no mistake though, as gifted as us humans are, even we'd be rendered hopelessly insane if we had to share the same living conditions as the mice, and rats did.

Lastly, though I can't seem to find the source for it now, Calhoun's experiments were done again, this time with enrichment activities and items for the animals, and things went much, much better. The colonies still eventually died out, but they were nowhere near as hellish and chaotic as they had been prior.
A lot of people simply assume that Mouse Utopia is an accurate simulation of a welfare state.

One guy that posts a lot thinks that all forms of rights, benefits and social programs that the general public needs were already in place 50 years ago and that everything that been has implemented after that are just excessive luxuries.
 
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Pretty much, boomers only listen to the MSM, and even fox news is rather woke for my taste. Trying to talk to my dad or any of my older relatives is like being fed talking points straight from a news anchor. They don't understand the internet, or how its changed society, let alone distribution of information. They often ask me how I know all this stuff before it's on the news or months before it's a talking point on their favorite fox news hosts show. I've tried explaining it to them, but they just dont get it, and so my impression has been and remains that trying to explain how the world works for my generation is a pointless task. I wish I could live in world were my life and the society I grew up in was only a slight deveation from my parents, things would be much simpler and make more sense.
Yeah, like I try to mention all the stuff that we discuss here to my parents and the like, and they just tell me to not believe everything I hear on the internet.
 
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I'm a millennial too, hey!
I'm also stunned by how many of our... "generation" don't know about investing their money. Instead they spend it on either pop culture shit, music/movies (hahahaha), or some tech gadget from Korea/Japan/wherever that will be obsolete in a year's time.

I've also noticed, however, that people in our generation who grew up with less really do turn out a lot better. Because they have to work for it, and they see the results from their hard work.
Cultural drift happened. Baby Boomers were given access to incredible material wealth and neglected the other things such as philosophy and culture. Gen X'ers carried the materialism while stripping away any philosophy or cultural heritage. Now Millennials are completely adrift because Gen X'ers could not pass down the skills required to properly function in a society.
Yes and no. The things traditional morality (western, Judeo-Christian, American, etc) considers a breach, or immoral, usually relate to some character flaw that is dangerous in public office.

Someone who cheats at the monthly poker game with the guys is likely to cheat when he gets put in charge of a trillion dollar budget. Someone who screams at their kids is likely to be bad with managing employees. Someone who avoids hard work and coasts through life is likely to avoid doing the hard work of governing. Someone who abuses animals is likely to discount the human cost of life-and-death decisions.

So for Bill Clinton, the problem wasn't immoral sexual appetites per se. But someone who cheats on his marriage is willing to betray the people closest to him; someone who lies about affairs is willing to, well, lie to you, even when the only thing on the line is his own image. Saying "we want someone who won't lie or have affairs" is shorthand for saying "we want someone who is honest and won't betray us".

It's not a 1-to-1 causal thing, but it's a good heuristic.

No, I don't expect every politician to be perfect, but discounting morality altogether leads to, well, Clinton and Trump. I like a lot of what Trump does, and that's my argument in favor of voting for him. But his morality and his character have reflections in his governing record too.
I know it is bad to reference pop culture as an argument but D&D makes a point that Paladin's make for terrible kings because they are unable to compromise.

I agree with your points just having someone like Ned Flanders be president would be bad also.
One thing I've noticed - The Information Era is objectively the most prosperous period in human history, tantamount to a global golden age. Yet despite this, young people across the developed world from West to East have significant rates of depression, suicide, and a massive collapse in birthrate. Compare this to John B. Calhoun's "mouse utopia" experiment and the comparisons are incredible, if not depressing. If you haven't already, I highly recommend you go down the rabbit hole of his experiments.

For instance, there was a select group of mice called the "beautiful ones", which did nothing but groom themselves all day, comparable to social media addiction, or the males that completely withdrew from social interaction, comparable to the hikikomori in Japan.
I think the "problem" is that there is too much freedom of choice. Too many choices leads to choice paralysis. This ties into the "cultural drift" argument I made above.

Millennials were given maximum freedom but not the tools for self actualization.
 
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Republicans are still improving their early vote differential in FL compared to 2016.
 
A few anecdotes:

A few Mormon friends of mine are twisting themselves into pretzels to justify voting for Biden, which surprised me. I don’t know if they voted Trump in 2016, and they check other Biden friendly demographic boxes (upper middle class, suburban) despite being traditionally conservative, but I’ll admit it was unexpected. I still maintain that more Mormons will come home than not (I agree with @JambledUpWords that I also personally know at least as many LDS voters who sat out or went 3rd party in 2016 who have warmed to Trump) and even if half the number who voted for McMullin or abstained shift back to Trump, it’s still a net gain in a group that represents similar middle class “decency” voting blocks.

Second, one of the suburban white moms who said that “she couldn’t stand Trump because he was just mean” surprised the hell out of me by confiding that she couldn’t bring herself to vote for Biden and will probably go third party. She’s suburban religious now, but comes from lower-middle to working class roots and I’m betting that Biden’s phony “Scranton hometown boy” act, bullshit policy, and general cognitive decline was just too much to ignore.

Rather than make a sweeping prediction based on two data points, all I can firmly say is that I officially have no idea what the fuck is going to happen and I have intense skepticism of anyone who says they do.
 
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Drudge Report just isn't the same post getting money. When will these media paymasters realize the thing that makes an indie news site successful is the fact that "they" are not involved in it?
Much like with Star Wars, they thought they were buying an install base that would stick around no matter how shit it got.
 
Well, simple really. Trump is an actual businessman with knowledge and experience in real estate investment. Congress and presidents are overwhelmingly lawyers, with almost no experience with actual economics. The reason its happened so many times in the past is because it IS the best solution, but congress and the executive branch is full of massive egotists who believe they personally know exactly how to manage and create such a program while in reality having no idea how to make it work.

I won't say Trump does, I will say he has the background and experience that prior attempts did not. Whether that is decisive in it working is something I will not attest to, I can only attest that it will be more likely to.

Trump is not going to personally oversee and administer this program - it would most likely be done by the same bureaucrats as the last attempts.

By your standards, anyone who's one molecule to the left of the Puritans and could barely fail a paper bag test or spends any time at all enjoying entertainment is a Cultural Marxist. You're not getting your autistic edgelord "traditionalist" theocracy and nobody else wants it.

By your standards, a society that accepts trannies but not the cringe ess jay double yew ones is a stable and compelling alternative to liberalism. I know I'm not getting what I want, but don't act like South Park libertarianism will save us all. Retaining feminism, multiculturalism, LGBT-acceptance, etc. with surface-level "wokeness" removed is still not a path to a healthy society, or much of anything really other than the next generation of Turning Point USA grifters.
 
Trump is not going to personally oversee and administer this program - it would most likely be done by the same bureaucrats as the last attempts.



By your standards, a society that accepts trannies but not the cringe ess jay double yew ones is a stable and compelling alternative to liberalism. I know I'm not getting what I want, but don't act like South Park libertarianism will save us all. Retaining feminism, multiculturalism, LGBT-acceptance, etc. with surface-level "wokeness" removed is still not a path to a healthy society, or much of anything really other than the next generation of Turning Point USA grifters.

I'm not seeking an alternative to liberalism because I am a liberal, you theocratic dipshit.

Go watch The Crucible and beat off to it or whatever it is you "traditionalist" anti-liberal edgelords do.
 
A few anecdotes:

A few Mormon friends of mine are twisting themselves into pretzels to justify voting for Biden, which surprised me. I don’t know if they voted Trump in 2016, and they check other Biden friendly demographic boxes (upper middle class, suburban) despite being traditionally conservative, but I’ll admit it was unexpected. I still maintain that more Mormons will come home than not (I agree with @JambledUpWords that I also personally know at least as many LDS voters who sat out or went 3rd party in 2016 who have warmed to Trump) and even if half the number who voted for McMullin or abstained shift back to Trump, it’s still a net gain in a group that represents similar middle class “decency” voting blocks.

Second, one of the suburban white moms who said that “she couldn’t stand Trump because he was just mean” surprised the hell out of me by confiding that she couldn’t bring herself to vote for Biden and will probably go third party. She’s suburban religious now, but comes from lower-middle to working class roots and I’m betting that Biden’s phony “Scranton hometown boy” act, bullshit policy, and general cognitive decline was just too much to ignore.

Rather than make a sweeping prediction based on two data points, all I can firmly say is that I officially have no idea what the fuck is going to happen and I have intense skepticism of anyone who says they do.
Given Trump got Utah despite McMuffin getting a big chunk of the vote in 2016 I don't think it's much of a risk. The general concerns around suburban votes absolutely apply in the midwest though.
 
I'm not seeking an alternative to liberalism because I am a liberal, you theocratic dipshit.

At least you admit it. The current status quo isn't a grave, it's the future you enthusiastically chose until some dangerhairs started yelling at you (after which you kept all the same beliefs you had but decided to vote for a different geriatric zionist). Keep supporting the same liberal horseshit and expecting it to turn out different, I'm sure it will work out this time instead of devolving into more horseshit.
 
At least you admit it. The current status quo isn't a grave, it's the future you enthusiastically chose until some dangerhairs started yelling at you (after which you kept all the same beliefs you had but decided to vote for a different geriatric zionist). Keep supporting the same liberal horseshit and expecting it to turn out different, I'm sure it will work out this time.

Hey, it's still better than the shit you're proposing as an alternative.

Keep tipping that capotain, maybe Yahweh will torture you in Hell slightly less than the other "degenerates"
 
Like reparations, it's a plan marketed to black America explicitly on that identity basis. There's nothing in there for poor rural (white) areas for a reason. If it was meant as a universal program, it would be marketed as such.

There have been a million programs targeting the hood for investment and the hood is no better off. What you just gave was the liberal rationale given for all these failed programs since before we were born. Why will this be any different, because Trump does it?
They love the Platinum Plan here...and don't think it's racist against non blacks at all. They'll be even happier in 2024 when Kanye runs for real and they can vote for him.
 
The downside to the "shy Trump voter" effect, which the DNC appears to be preparing to weaponize, is that if the DNC rigs the election then everyone just assumes Trump lost legitimately.
I don't think that's true. Across all spectrums, people believe there are hidden Trump supporters. They know his support is likely higher than what the numbers suggest.
Clearly you need re-conditioning, remember now:
Best time in human history, 4x the suicide rate of WW2.
During WWII you didn't have to kill yourself because other people would do it for you. You got to die in exotic locations by being instantly vaporized.

That's like saying the rate of food poisoning is lower in sub Saharan Africa. Well that's because there's a lot less food to get poisoned from.
 
Oh, hey neo Nazis. Happy Halloween. Just a reminder that on Tuesday, MAGA dies.
Just an FYI, no way election night is being called Tuesday Night. With Post Offices across the country being swamped with Vote-By-Mail we might not find out who wins for a couple weeks.

Also I'm betting there's going to be recounts again and we're gonna see the same shit we saw in 2000, times 10.
 
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