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Yesterday in Italy we finally got to hear the opinion of a Doctor. For once it was a generic Doctor, not one of the endless stream of epidemiologists looking for their 5 minutes of fame from day one of our March lockdown. Anyway, he pointed out that a good 80% of Italians are suffering from symptoms typical of mild depressive syndrome. Insomnia, paranoia, compulsive behavior. We're basically getting Corona Derangement Syndrome. Covid virus bad.

Jokes aside, how long can we go on like this?
That depends on what you mean by "Go on like this"

If you're a refugee from one of the boards of peace, you'll probably be glad to know that the police and military combined likely couldn't enforce a full lockdown. If you're similar to a Brit, like me, get yourself some chef's sharpening equipment since shit's gonna get messy. Sharpened gardening equipment was wonderful in the Thirty Year's War and the ninjas are similar.
 
I've stopped pretending to care about "But COVID" people.

I said that it doesn't help to save 10K people with lockdowns if 30K die of suicide, depression, hunger, heart attack, cancer, et cetera.

One guy replied back "Is that your final solution?"


Yep. Literally Hitler now for saying that COVID is not the only cause of death in America. EVERYTHING IS COVID!!!
 
YOU NAUGHTY LITTLE SHITS BETTER STOP QUESTIONING THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MEDIA! STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF RUINED BUSINESSES, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, DEPRESSION, WIDESPREAD ABUSE, FEARMONGERING, THE PURPOSE OF LOCKDOWNS AND MASKS, AND DISHONESTY FROM US DURING LOCKDOWN! YOU'RE ALL EXTREMELEY SELFISH! EMPTY HOSPITALS AND COVID TESTING AREAS?! NONSENSE! WE'LL HAPPILY GUILT TRIP YOU OVER A VIRUS THAT HAS A VERY HIGH SURVIVAL RATE AND ONLY AFFECTS THOSE WITH CONDITIONS AND THE ELDERLY! BE GOOD LITTLE SHEEPLE AND NEVER CHALLENGE US!

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YOU NAUGHTY LITTLE SHITS BETTER STOP QUESTIONING THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MEDIA! STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF RUINED BUSINESSES, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, DEPRESSION, WIDESPREAD ABUSE, FEARMONGERING, THE PURPOSE OF LOCKDOWNS AND MASKS, AND DISHONESTY FROM US DURING LOCKDOWN! YOU'RE ALL EXTREMELEY SELFISH! EMPTY HOSPITALS AND COVID TESTING AREAS?! NONSENSE! WE'LL HAPPILY GUILT TRIP YOU OVER A VIRUS THAT HAS A VERY HIGH SURVIVAL RATE AND ONLY AFFECTS THOSE WITH CONDITIONS AND THE ELDERLY! BE GOOD LITTLE SHEEPLE AND NEVER CHALLENGE US!

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I don't get this. Could you do me a favour - what do you think the worst case scenario of a pandemic for SARS is?
 
I live! The house kind of didn't. Without getting too personal: We lost power at the start and then a tree fell through the roof. So... yeah. To add possible insult into injury, I also got sick, which I think was a cold but I did get that one time where I suddenly got the feeling of running out of breath out of nowwhere. Fortunately sickness seems to be disappearing recently so that's a plus on not possibly spending more money to reach our pockets to see if that was the Wuflu.
We now stay with our main cousin, and I now hate the phrase "hurricanes are just rain/wind" with every fiber of my being. At least the family shut up with that.
I'm glad you're okay, even if your house didn't completely make it. Sorry if I sounded like I was downplaying it a bit, but when you've lived through Katrina (and I mean actually lived through Katrina, not get flooded because you built your city in a bowl *coughcoughNewOrleanscough*), you get an idea of what a severe hurricane is like. It surprised me a bit too with how strong the winds ended up being; parents lost a big tree in their yard that happened to smush their trailer and some fences got knocked down, but for the most part things weren't too bad. Again, compared to what I've previously lived through, this wasn't the worst thing in the world, but you should always treat hurricanes seriously.

Fingers crossed that this is the last of the major storms this year, but the next time one hits and you get nervous, hopefully your family will be more receptive to the idea of getting the fuck outta Dodge. The slim possibility of catching the coof is no reason not to evacuate.
 
If your point was to prove how you're not a redditor, then you have failed marvelously.

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If you had bothered to actually read through the thread, then you would see why we aren't fucking scared of this coronavirus. If you had taken the time to read the studies we posted, then you would understand why we are all in agreement this thing has a 99.6-99.8% survival rate.

But you didn't. You dropped in to post some spicy hot takes and compare us to AIDS queers without doing your damn homework.
Better yet, nobody here keeps bringing up intelligence and contrarianism except you, the lone dissenter talking about how you're so much smarter than us all.

So either get with the program or GTFO back to reddit until you learn how to lurk.
Yeah, you posted shit and you're literally retarded - I don't get why you think you're chatting like Kiwifarms is some MENSA meeting. I glanced at it, glanced at the death rate of some Italian regions and threw it in the bin. It makes zero sense, the deaths aren't evenly spread you fucking retard. There's a 99.8% survival rate for the entire state of New Jersey assuming it was saturated with the disease entirely, and every single person in the entire state of New Jersey caught the virus in the year leading to a 100% immunity rate and zero casualties for the entire of New Jersey now.

But hey, you're the expert, right, tell me how that works - this isn't the most extreme case in the world, many countries don't show it by region. The fatality rate of Lombardy, the most afflicted region of Italy, is currently 0.16% of the entire region who have died, most of it in one month. This is not a small place, Lombardy has a population of over 10,000,000 and so for it to recieve 16,000 deaths in a few months early in the year is a fucking staggering number.

So go ahead, how come it varies by region within individual countries, often exceeding these numbers you're throwing out - and while you're at it, explain why so many countries are hiding these numbers? Only Italy, Germany and the USA have published deaths by administrative region, and that's only because these countries all have a Federal structure. Any country with a parliamentary structure seems to be hiding these numbers from the public.

But no, you have an archive link to some cunt who says it'll all be okay, don't look any further, goyim, remember not to boycott China.
 
YOU NAUGHTY LITTLE SHITS BETTER STOP QUESTIONING THE GOVERNMENT AND THE MEDIA! STOP COMPLAINING ABOUT THE THOUSANDS OF RUINED BUSINESSES, MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES, DEPRESSION, WIDESPREAD ABUSE, FEARMONGERING, THE PURPOSE OF LOCKDOWNS AND MASKS, AND DISHONESTY FROM US DURING LOCKDOWN! YOU'RE ALL EXTREMELEY SELFISH! EMPTY HOSPITALS AND COVID TESTING AREAS?! NONSENSE! WE'LL HAPPILY GUILT TRIP YOU OVER A VIRUS THAT HAS A VERY HIGH SURVIVAL RATE AND ONLY AFFECTS THOSE WITH CONDITIONS AND THE ELDERLY! BE GOOD LITTLE SHEEPLE AND NEVER CHALLENGE US!

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Is Boris trying to become the most hated man in Britain just for shits & giggles?
 
Gee, I dunno... How about looking at who will be most affected rather than locking down an entire country and causing issues?
Sure thing, who will be most affected:

Well, I for one live in a bunker with my own power supplies and plenty of food and antibiotics just in case, so I'll be okay. Let's talk about you, though:

Likely you live in a first world country, and I'm assuming that, like most, you depend on the power grid for your needs. This is pretty tough to do when not only do you run the risk of your employees dying, their families dying, or being extremely ill for several weeks, you'll have to find some new power sources. I wouldn't recommend solar right now, it's a bit too dark for that this time of year.

It's likely you have a car or atleast depend partly on some kind of transport, but with police numbers already dwindling, you probably won't need that so the fuel crisis as ships, a famously vulnerable place to any disease (even a bout of the shits can delay one for weeks) will be practically inoperable, assuming of course that Mohammad is okay and his lads are all fine with escorting your oil deliveries through his country.

Much of public infrastructure depends on taxes, which are also not being collected but I'm sure Mr Goldstein will cover it for you, just hand over your physical property to him. Sell off some of those national parks to Mr Goldstein and you'll be set for a week or two. Without the constant work, you'll start seeing roads closing more often and further delaying those trucks which have those condoms and lube you need to supply your degenerate lifestyle.

The police and the military for that matter, this depends on loyalty. I'd imagine officers in small town USA will be fine with sticking to their posts, but once those pay packets start shrinking and that police car stops getting fuelled so readily they won't be able to do shit. Especially given the nigger problem, American police are already quitting in record numbers, put the obvious increase in workload and decrease in pay onto that and you'll see a massive increase in "Officers ran away with half the armoury loaded into their cars" reports. Or, you won't, information is already breaking down hence the proliferation of retards on this thread. All the sharp cunts have been busy keeping prepped leaving only the stupidest behind.

The military would likely try to step in, but squaddies aren't coppers so it's only a matter of time before you have a few mass shootings by confused and scared 19 year olds with automatic weapons.

Food security depends both on the farms, which luckily seem to be alright (until they get sick and can't handle the whole workload, or farmer man tries his tractor while ill and runs a hole in his pig pen releasing hundreds of quarter-ton swine into the town) - the more obvious problems will be "How the hell can anybody afford these prices" - yes, once it starts kicking off, the price of agricultural goods will skyrocket as they become harder to transport. Fewer ships means fewer ways for the grain to be delivered, and this would increase the price a little. But the biggest would be that shrinking paypacket - it's already shrunk, atleast here in the UK, prices have gone up 10-20% while the pay has remained the same. I've lost up to 20% of my wages, and this will only get worse. This would happen in either situation in any crisis, though - hyperinflation is often caused by a physical crisis, like war.


All of this shit is why you're seeing politicians the world over looking tired as fuck, or in the UK's case, Johnson has dropped any attempt at speaking formally and half of what Cummings says is "uh.. uhm... ehm..." - this isn't what conspiracy looks like, this is what panicking looks like. They're panicked to fuck because there's no answer to any of it - you have the midwits and their shit like "Well why am I being punished" - because they're desperately trying to keep their taxpayers in a condition to pay taxes. They're not talking about morality or some shit, they don't give a fuck about you as a person, but they care deeply about your role in ensuring their continued power and therefor life. They're trying desperately to keep the tax money coming in, and that's hard to do during a pandemic.

Like I said, do you have any idea how bad a pandemic actually is? The illness for you is probably fine, but do you have any clue how complex world systems are? Very few people live sustainable closed lifestyles. This isn't like AIDS or some shit, it's a disease which can, at the bare minimum, put you out of work for a few weeks. That's all that's needed, accidentally feeding your cows the wrong feed can kill hundreds and destroy an entire industry, an epidemic of a disease which doesn't even affect humans can still kill millions. You've got to be a genuine retard to see "Pandemic" and think "Yeah, this is something we can handle" - in terms of disruption, without even commenting on the virus itself, a pandemic is similar in destructive capability to a nuclear war.
 
It's funny that as a britfag I never really thought America was any better than the UK, everyone has guns, is fat, retarded etc. But now I'd honestly consider moving to the US if Trump is re-elected. The US will be the only functioning western country left if Trump just ignores COVID and makes people get on with their lives.

Whereas in my country, businesses are closing, government pissing my tax contributions up the wall and all over their own pants and shoes. Absolutely essential to keep everyone alive. End result will be sure we have the largest population of over 60s compared to the brutal US who just let them die of something as natural as a virus, which has been literally happening in every species through all of time.

I honestly believe if Trump gets re-elected it will be like the old times of America being the land of opportunity that westerners flock to. When all the engineers, scientists, high IQ young men and women are at home with no job and no social life, fuck yeah I'm going to America. Just need to get those niggers under control and I'd seriously consider it.
 
Sure thing, who will be most affected:

Well, I for one live in a bunker with my own power supplies and plenty of food and antibiotics just in case, so I'll be okay. Let's talk about you, though:

Likely you live in a first world country, and I'm assuming that, like most, you depend on the power grid for your needs. This is pretty tough to do when not only do you run the risk of your employees dying, their families dying, or being extremely ill for several weeks, you'll have to find some new power sources. I wouldn't recommend solar right now, it's a bit too dark for that this time of year.

It's likely you have a car or atleast depend partly on some kind of transport, but with police numbers already dwindling, you probably won't need that so the fuel crisis as ships, a famously vulnerable place to any disease (even a bout of the shits can delay one for weeks) will be practically inoperable, assuming of course that Mohammad is okay and his lads are all fine with escorting your oil deliveries through his country.

Much of public infrastructure depends on taxes, which are also not being collected but I'm sure Mr Goldstein will cover it for you, just hand over your physical property to him. Sell off some of those national parks to Mr Goldstein and you'll be set for a week or two. Without the constant work, you'll start seeing roads closing more often and further delaying those trucks which have those condoms and lube you need to supply your degenerate lifestyle.

The police and the military for that matter, this depends on loyalty. I'd imagine officers in small town USA will be fine with sticking to their posts, but once those pay packets start shrinking and that police car stops getting fuelled so readily they won't be able to do shit. Especially given the nigger problem, American police are already quitting in record numbers, put the obvious increase in workload and decrease in pay onto that and you'll see a massive increase in "Officers ran away with half the armoury loaded into their cars" reports. Or, you won't, information is already breaking down hence the proliferation of retards on this thread. All the sharp cunts have been busy keeping prepped leaving only the stupidest behind.

The military would likely try to step in, but squaddies aren't coppers so it's only a matter of time before you have a few mass shootings by confused and scared 19 year olds with automatic weapons.

Food security depends both on the farms, which luckily seem to be alright (until they get sick and can't handle the whole workload, or farmer man tries his tractor while ill and runs a hole in his pig pen releasing hundreds of quarter-ton swine into the town) - the more obvious problems will be "How the hell can anybody afford these prices" - yes, once it starts kicking off, the price of agricultural goods will skyrocket as they become harder to transport. Fewer ships means fewer ways for the grain to be delivered, and this would increase the price a little. But the biggest would be that shrinking paypacket - it's already shrunk, atleast here in the UK, prices have gone up 10-20% while the pay has remained the same. I've lost up to 20% of my wages, and this will only get worse. This would happen in either situation in any crisis, though - hyperinflation is often caused by a physical crisis, like war.


All of this shit is why you're seeing politicians the world over looking tired as fuck, or in the UK's case, Johnson has dropped any attempt at speaking formally and half of what Cummings says is "uh.. uhm... ehm..." - this isn't what conspiracy looks like, this is what panicking looks like. They're panicked to fuck because there's no answer to any of it - you have the midwits and their shit like "Well why am I being punished" - because they're desperately trying to keep their taxpayers in a condition to pay taxes. They're not talking about morality or some shit, they don't give a fuck about you as a person, but they care deeply about your role in ensuring their continued power and therefor life. They're trying desperately to keep the tax money coming in, and that's hard to do during a pandemic.

Like I said, do you have any idea how bad a pandemic actually is? The illness for you is probably fine, but do you have any clue how complex world systems are? Very few people live sustainable closed lifestyles. This isn't like AIDS or some shit, it's a disease which can, at the bare minimum, put you out of work for a few weeks. That's all that's needed, accidentally feeding your cows the wrong feed can kill hundreds and destroy an entire industry, an epidemic of a disease which doesn't even affect humans can still kill millions. You've got to be a genuine retard to see "Pandemic" and think "Yeah, this is something we can handle" - in terms of disruption, without even commenting on the virus itself, a pandemic is similar in destructive capability to a nuclear war.
I not really sure what your trying to say ?
It sounds a lot like this
 
Yeah, you posted shit and you're literally retarded - I don't get why you think you're chatting like Kiwifarms is some MENSA meeting. I glanced at it, glanced at the death rate of some Italian regions and threw it in the bin. It makes zero sense, the deaths aren't evenly spread you fucking retard. There's a 99.8% survival rate for the entire state of New Jersey assuming it was saturated with the disease entirely, and every single person in the entire state of New Jersey caught the virus in the year leading to a 100% immunity rate and zero casualties for the entire of New Jersey now.

But hey, you're the expert, right, tell me how that works - this isn't the most extreme case in the world, many countries don't show it by region. The fatality rate of Lombardy, the most afflicted region of Italy, is currently 0.16% of the entire region who have died, most of it in one month. This is not a small place, Lombardy has a population of over 10,000,000 and so for it to recieve 16,000 deaths in a few months early in the year is a fucking staggering number.

So go ahead, how come it varies by region within individual countries, often exceeding these numbers you're throwing out - and while you're at it, explain why so many countries are hiding these numbers? Only Italy, Germany and the USA have published deaths by administrative region, and that's only because these countries all have a Federal structure. Any country with a parliamentary structure seems to be hiding these numbers from the public.

But no, you have an archive link to some cunt who says it'll all be okay, don't look any further, goyim, remember not to boycott China.

Thanks to Italy's unique history and its governmental systems, it's one of the few places not desperately hiding these statistics.

So let's use Italy's model to figure out what the fatality rate is here:


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Wow, so 99.8% survival rate. Remember that number, that's the Kiwifarms number, 99.8%, nowhere on the planet is it possible for there to be more than 1 in 500 dead as a proportion of the population, assuming every single man, woman and child was infected.


Oh. Oh dear. Looks like Kiwifarms is full of fucking retards.


You don't need to be a spaghetto to understand that, 5,900 dead in one area of the state of Lombardy. What's the population of this province? Let's zoom in a little bit...


Huh.

That can't be right, Kiwifarms told me that 99.8% is the maximum possible fatality rate. How can this region of Italy have had 5900 deaths? That implies that everybody in the entire region, all 1,112,187, had caught the virus several times by May!

How can one region have lost 0.53% of its entire population during the first wave?

Using that fucking Kiwifarms veteran's logic, this implies that not only was the entire population of Bergamo infected, but the entire population of the neighbouring provinces too and they all went to Bergamo to die.
 

Thanks to Italy's unique history and its governmental systems, it's one of the few places not desperately hiding these statistics.

So let's use Italy's model to figure out what the fatality rate is here:


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Wow, so 99.8% survival rate. Remember that number, that's the Kiwifarms number, 99.8%, nowhere on the planet is it possible for there to be more than 1 in 500 dead as a proportion of the population, assuming every single man, woman and child was infected.


Oh. Oh dear. Looks like Kiwifarms is full of fucking retards.


You don't need to be a spaghetto to understand that, 5,900 dead in one area of the state of Lombardy. What's the population of this province? Let's zoom in a little bit...


Huh.

That can't be right, Kiwifarms told me that 99.8% is the maximum possible fatality rate. How can this region of Italy have had 5900 deaths? That implies that everybody in the entire region, all 1,112,187, had caught the virus several times by May!

How can one region have lost 0.53% of its entire population during the first wave?

Using that fucking Kiwifarms veteran's logic, this implies that not only was the entire population of Bergamo infected, but the entire population of the neighbouring provinces too and they all went to Bergamo to die.
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Oh. Oh dear. Looks like Kiwifarms is full of fucking retreads...
Such as your self right
 
Sure thing, who will be most affected:

Well, I for one live in a bunker with my own power supplies and plenty of food and antibiotics just in case, so I'll be okay. Let's talk about you, though:

Likely you live in a first world country, and I'm assuming that, like most, you depend on the power grid for your needs. This is pretty tough to do when not only do you run the risk of your employees dying, their families dying, or being extremely ill for several weeks, you'll have to find some new power sources. I wouldn't recommend solar right now, it's a bit too dark for that this time of year.

It's likely you have a car or atleast depend partly on some kind of transport, but with police numbers already dwindling, you probably won't need that so the fuel crisis as ships, a famously vulnerable place to any disease (even a bout of the shits can delay one for weeks) will be practically inoperable, assuming of course that Mohammad is okay and his lads are all fine with escorting your oil deliveries through his country.

Much of public infrastructure depends on taxes, which are also not being collected but I'm sure Mr Goldstein will cover it for you, just hand over your physical property to him. Sell off some of those national parks to Mr Goldstein and you'll be set for a week or two. Without the constant work, you'll start seeing roads closing more often and further delaying those trucks which have those condoms and lube you need to supply your degenerate lifestyle.

The police and the military for that matter, this depends on loyalty. I'd imagine officers in small town USA will be fine with sticking to their posts, but once those pay packets start shrinking and that police car stops getting fuelled so readily they won't be able to do shit. Especially given the nigger problem, American police are already quitting in record numbers, put the obvious increase in workload and decrease in pay onto that and you'll see a massive increase in "Officers ran away with half the armoury loaded into their cars" reports. Or, you won't, information is already breaking down hence the proliferation of retards on this thread. All the sharp cunts have been busy keeping prepped leaving only the stupidest behind.

The military would likely try to step in, but squaddies aren't coppers so it's only a matter of time before you have a few mass shootings by confused and scared 19 year olds with automatic weapons.

Food security depends both on the farms, which luckily seem to be alright (until they get sick and can't handle the whole workload, or farmer man tries his tractor while ill and runs a hole in his pig pen releasing hundreds of quarter-ton swine into the town) - the more obvious problems will be "How the hell can anybody afford these prices" - yes, once it starts kicking off, the price of agricultural goods will skyrocket as they become harder to transport. Fewer ships means fewer ways for the grain to be delivered, and this would increase the price a little. But the biggest would be that shrinking paypacket - it's already shrunk, atleast here in the UK, prices have gone up 10-20% while the pay has remained the same. I've lost up to 20% of my wages, and this will only get worse. This would happen in either situation in any crisis, though - hyperinflation is often caused by a physical crisis, like war.


All of this shit is why you're seeing politicians the world over looking tired as fuck, or in the UK's case, Johnson has dropped any attempt at speaking formally and half of what Cummings says is "uh.. uhm... ehm..." - this isn't what conspiracy looks like, this is what panicking looks like. They're panicked to fuck because there's no answer to any of it - you have the midwits and their shit like "Well why am I being punished" - because they're desperately trying to keep their taxpayers in a condition to pay taxes. They're not talking about morality or some shit, they don't give a fuck about you as a person, but they care deeply about your role in ensuring their continued power and therefor life. They're trying desperately to keep the tax money coming in, and that's hard to do during a pandemic.

Like I said, do you have any idea how bad a pandemic actually is? The illness for you is probably fine, but do you have any clue how complex world systems are? Very few people live sustainable closed lifestyles. This isn't like AIDS or some shit, it's a disease which can, at the bare minimum, put you out of work for a few weeks. That's all that's needed, accidentally feeding your cows the wrong feed can kill hundreds and destroy an entire industry, an epidemic of a disease which doesn't even affect humans can still kill millions. You've got to be a genuine retard to see "Pandemic" and think "Yeah, this is something we can handle" - in terms of disruption, without even commenting on the virus itself, a pandemic is similar in destructive capability to a nuclear war.
Are you a fucking retard, I used to work on those oil ships. Do you really believe that everyone onboard, usually healthy men in their 20s to 40s, chief and captain maybe 50s, are all going to come down with paralysing COVID. No, some will come down bad, some won't. And I can tell you, anyone who can physically move to work will do it if the motivation is there. If the ship is taking on water and I'm the only one who knows where the right valve is, I'll get there somehow.

You obviously don't understand that a lot of jobs you just listed are done by people with some amount of want to be there. Not all, but enough. Whereas the supermarket you obviously work in is populated by people who are fucking retarded and would absolutely say their slight cough means they can't work for 2 weeks.
 
Are you a fucking retard, I used to work on those oil ships. Do you really believe that everyone onboard, usually healthy men in their 20s to 40s, chief and captain maybe 50s, are all going to come down with paralysing COVID. No, some will come down bad, some won't. And I can tell you, anyone who can physically move to work will do it if the motivation is there. If the ship is taking on water and I'm the only one who knows where the right valve is, I'll get there somehow.
You mean that an entire ship can be crippled by a disease? Yes, I do believe that, it happens very frequently. They do this shit for the fucking Army you stupid cunt, and that's just for squaddies. It doesn't mean that the entire battalion fucking dies of malaria, it means that they are not at peak operational capacity.

It's fucking SARS - a cough isn't a problem, double pneumonia is a problem. What fucking ships were you on where disease control doesn't exist?

You won't walk that shit off, you need direct medical intervention to avoid death in more than enough cases to warrant serious concern. Maybe that's why you weren't the chief or the captain, I'm sure they'll have a different opinion.

Because it is (or was) disproportionately populated by the old, fat, and diabetic, and has a healthcare system that was already on the brink of collapse before the virus turned up.

You fucking retard.
Yes, most places in the West have all of these things.

So every single negative case in Bergamo has been a false negative, right? Every single person had the virus, every single test which showed a negative result was a faulty test.
 
You mean that an entire ship can be crippled by a disease? Yes, I do believe that, it happens very frequently. They do this shit for the fucking Army you stupid cunt, and that's just for squaddies. It doesn't mean that the entire battalion fucking dies of malaria, it means that they are not at peak operational capacity.

It's fucking SARS - a cough isn't a problem, double pneumonia is a problem. What fucking ships were you on where disease control doesn't exist?

You won't walk that shit off, you need direct medical intervention to avoid death in more than enough cases to warrant serious concern. Maybe that's why you weren't the chief or the captain, I'm sure they'll have a different opinion.
You just said it for me perfectly. Not at peak operational capacity. Do you honestly think society will collapse because it took 3 or 4 hours longer to discharge a cargo? That's probably a big deal in the army, but that's the reason most military cunts can't do normal jobs. Because they are all taught to be such fucking robots that can't think or operate independently, can't improvise, need instructions. Some manage to break through and become very good, but the vast majority remain loyal but average.

Tldr, something taking a bit longer isn't such a big deal. Most power plants are heavily automated, automatic redundancies, etc. They may miss a few scheduled services, but they will be fine.
 
But hey, you're the expert, right, tell me how that works - this isn't the most extreme case in the world, many countries don't show it by region. The fatality rate of Lombardy, the most afflicted region of Italy, is currently 0.16% of the entire region who have died, most of it in one month. This is not a small place, Lombardy has a population of over 10,000,000 and so for it to recieve 16,000 deaths in a few months early in the year is a fucking staggering number.
Because Italy is full of old people and the healthcare system was shit even before this started. Probably some really bad practices involved like sick people in nursing homes and misuse of ventilators (which is a huge cause of death). Deaths go down EVERYWHERE in the months after since many of the most vulnerable people are already dead or have survived.
Like I said, do you have any idea how bad a pandemic actually is? The illness for you is probably fine, but do you have any clue how complex world systems are? Very few people live sustainable closed lifestyles. This isn't like AIDS or some shit, it's a disease which can, at the bare minimum, put you out of work for a few weeks. That's all that's needed, accidentally feeding your cows the wrong feed can kill hundreds and destroy an entire industry, an epidemic of a disease which doesn't even affect humans can still kill millions. You've got to be a genuine retard to see "Pandemic" and think "Yeah, this is something we can handle" - in terms of disruption, without even commenting on the virus itself, a pandemic is similar in destructive capability to a nuclear war.
No, at bare minimum you don't show a single symptom and are perfectly fine. The majority of cases are people who have cold and flu like symptoms and recover within days. Only a small minority are out of it for weeks, and only a minority of that need hospitalization and out of that group only a minority die. Haven't check in a while but the hospitalization rate is less than 5% of detected cases which doesn't include asymptomatic cases or cases where people don't get tested.

Why should anyone shut down a country and cause the damage you're suggesting over a disease that will kill maybe 0.2% of the population (disproportionately elderly or obese) and permanently damage maybe 2% more (also disproportionately elderly or obese)? It's a disproportionate response in the extreme. People should not have to suffer a global economic collapse and civil disorder all because politicians want to save a tiny fraction of the population, the majority of whom would be dead within a decade of something anyway. Wanna talk economic damage? This is the group which barely contributes to society and barely pays taxes because they're old and retired (or too fat to work) and also are the single largest users of the healthcare system. I'm not saying "kill the elderly and the fat" (they should be quarantined off and strongly advised to take caution) but they're the people who should be asked to make sacrifices on behalf of everyone else so society can function. This is how it's been since the dawn of time in every human society and really animal societies too. The elderly sacrifice for the young because they've already lived their lives.
You mean that an entire ship can be crippled by a disease? Yes, I do believe that, it happens very frequently. They do this shit for the fucking Army you stupid cunt, and that's just for squaddies. It doesn't mean that the entire battalion fucking dies of malaria, it means that they are not at peak operational capacity.

It's fucking SARS - a cough isn't a problem, double pneumonia is a problem. What fucking ships were you on where disease control doesn't exist?

You won't walk that shit off, you need direct medical intervention to avoid death in more than enough cases to warrant serious concern. Maybe that's why you weren't the chief or the captain, I'm sure they'll have a different opinion.
Except it isn't SARS, it's closer to the common cold than SARS in terms of what it does and how it spreads. Maybe you should've been paying attention to the outbreak aboard cruise ships like Diamond Princess or naval vessels back in January and February which was the first indication that "hey, this disease isn't all the deadly or dangerous" since there were people who never contracted it on those ships and few deaths. Yes, an outbreak aboard a ship is bad for operations, but we aren't fighting a war and if we were, our enemies would have the same issue. You steer the ship into a port (and there will guaranteed be enough healthy people to do this since the disease isn't SARS), you get help, and you wait it out.

Now quit being a double-posting faggot and do some research.
 
You just said it for me perfectly. Not at peak operational capacity. Do you honestly think society will collapse because it took 3 or 4 hours longer to discharge a cargo? That's probably a big deal in the army, but that's the reason most military cunts can't do normal jobs. Because they are all taught to be such fucking robots that can't think or operate independently, can't improvise, need instructions. Some manage to break through and become very good, but the vast majority remain loyal but average.
true but you didn't have to be so mean

And yes, not 3 or 4 hours, though. You're looking at evacuations of critically ill - I know those ships rely very little on manpower, and the vast majority of cases are minor. But there are enough crewmen to warrant medical evacuations en route, even for the young. The port itself would be understaffed too, which even on a good day isn't optimal. Power plants too are probably going to be okay and farms are probably going to be okay, too. I was commenting on worst-case scenarios, but those are more likely to suffer from deliberate sabotage than system failures.

The worst case scenario is a hell of a lot worse. In civilian sectors there's no such thing as acceptable losses and all employment is at-will.

It's not about any particular ship - as you say, most will probably be fine even on a worst case scenario. The crew isn't the weak link, it's the fat cunt in the tanker lorry. That's assuming none of the crew subscribe to Pewdiepie on the route.

There's obviously the full doomsday shit, but you are correct in that it is unlikely to get that bad alone. Who the fuck knows, we could have another BSE outbreak to run alongside it.

Everything gets put under an enormous amount of stress during a pandemic, and whereas total collapse is not likely, luxuries are not likely to be available.

Because Italy is full of old people and the healthcare system was shit even before this started. Probably some really bad practices involved like sick people in nursing homes and misuse of ventilators (which is a huge cause of death). Deaths go down EVERYWHERE in the months after since many of the most vulnerable people are already dead or have survived.

No, at bare minimum you don't show a single symptom and are perfectly fine. The majority of cases are people who have cold and flu like symptoms and recover within days. Only a small minority are out of it for weeks, and only a minority of that need hospitalization and out of that group only a minority die. Haven't check in a while but the hospitalization rate is less than 5% of detected cases which doesn't include asymptomatic cases or cases where people don't get tested.

Why should anyone shut down a country and cause the damage you're suggesting over a disease that will kill maybe 0.2% of the population (disproportionately elderly or obese) and permanently damage maybe 2% more (also disproportionately elderly or obese)? It's a disproportionate response in the extreme. People should not have to suffer a global economic collapse and civil disorder all because politicians want to save a tiny fraction of the population, the majority of whom would be dead within a decade of something anyway. Wanna talk economic damage? This is the group which barely contributes to society and barely pays taxes because they're old and retired (or too fat to work) and also are the single largest users of the healthcare system. I'm not saying "kill the elderly and the fat" (they should be quarantined off and strongly advised to take caution) but they're the people who should be asked to make sacrifices on behalf of everyone else so society can function. This is how it's been since the dawn of time in every human society and really animal societies too. The elderly sacrifice for the young because they've already lived their lives.

Except it isn't SARS, it's closer to the common cold than SARS in terms of what it does and how it spreads. Maybe you should've been paying attention to the outbreak aboard cruise ships like Diamond Princess or naval vessels back in January and February which was the first indication that "hey, this disease isn't all the deadly or dangerous" since there were people who never contracted it on those ships and few deaths. Yes, an outbreak aboard a ship is bad for operations, but we aren't fighting a war and if we were, our enemies would have the same issue. You steer the ship into a port (and there will guaranteed be enough healthy people to do this since the disease isn't SARS), you get help, and you wait it out.

Now quit being a double-posting faggot and do some research.
What the fuck? I'm for the collapse, fuck the lockdowns.

You just cited poor healthcare as the reason for excessive fatalities. We have had a lot of respiratory care advancements in the last 20 years. Think back to the days of GTAIII and compare the computer tech, that same technological jump appears here too. SARS-2 is more infectious, but it certainly isn't less severe. SARS had a 17% fatality rate outside of mainland China, and most of that was because there was so little care available for this new disease. We have improved globally but that means that the untreated disease is extremely dangerous.

But a pandemic means no healthcare. It means that the hospitals cannot treat everybody, so they put a triage in - it means that ambulances can't pick up people quickly enough so people die at home - and that can happen very quickly. The Diamond Princess is a good example since it shows that in the absolute best conditions the overall fatality rate is significant. If the disease wasn't a problem, that fatality rate wouldn't be 2.4% - it would be 0. In full SHTF conditions, that will jump up to the fuckin' sky with God-only-knows how many fatalities overall. People won't even be dying of the virus, you'll see fuckers smack their heads and die of infections because they have no access to any treatment at all.
 
true but you didn't have to be so mean

And yes, not 3 or 4 hours, though. You're looking at evacuations of critically ill - I know those ships rely very little on manpower, and the vast majority of cases are minor. But there are enough crewmen to warrant medical evacuations en route, even for the young. The port itself would be understaffed too, which even on a good day isn't optimal. Power plants too are probably going to be okay and farms are probably going to be okay, too. I was commenting on worst-case scenarios, but those are more likely to suffer from deliberate sabotage than system failures.

The worst case scenario is a hell of a lot worse. In civilian sectors there's no such thing as acceptable losses and all employment is at-will.

It's not about any particular ship - as you say, most will probably be fine even on a worst case scenario. The crew isn't the weak link, it's the fat cunt in the tanker lorry. That's assuming none of the crew subscribe to Pewdiepie on the route.

There's obviously the full doomsday shit, but you are correct in that it is unlikely to get that bad alone. Who the fuck knows, we could have another BSE outbreak to run alongside it.

Everything gets put under an enormous amount of stress during a pandemic, and whereas total collapse is not likely, luxuries are not likely to be available.
We are in a society of faggots that jump on McDonald's counters demanding their Rick and Morty sauce, these guys can't handle not having their luxuries.
 
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