Megathread SRS and GRS surgeons and associated horrors - the medical community of experimental surgeons, the secret community of home butchers

[Old Fart]

Honestly, with a surgery this complicated, I would expect it to be done in stages. Maybe do the first, major surgery, then wait six months to a year for everything to heal and settle in before going back and doing cosmetic work.

I've pondered that, too, but it may actually be rather complicated. You can perform an orchiectomy as a separate step, but once you remove the erectile tissue from the penis, you're standing with a messy bundle of skin, nerves and urethra that have to go somewhere. Just sewing it up in order to invert it later may make the prospect of having a hole free of scars even worse.

And then there are obvious factors of cost and risk- every time a person is brought under anaesthesia and cut open incurs a certain chance of adverse outcome.

 

[Angry New Ager]

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Why on earth would you move to KENTUCKY to get GRS? Do cross-gender hormones rob people of any last shred of common sense?

The University of Kentucky's medical center now performs GRS.

 

[Swerf'n'Terf]

Dick doc Jess Ting, famous for serial butchery of Jazz Jennings, is starring in a puff piece documentary released November 18th.

"There isn't a way for surgeons to learn now, there's no formalised training program, no standards" says Ting in the trailer. ''We're inventing this, you're pioneering".

Ting and the filmmakers apparently think this shows him as a grand innovator and humanitarian, rather than a morbid experimental grifter.

Source article. You say 'Ting’s sensitive approach to the transgender population', I say 'Ting's insincere pandering to a lucrative captive market'. Potato potahto.

 

[AnOminous]

"There isn't a way for surgeons to learn now, there's no formalised training program, no standards" says Ting in the trailer. ''We're inventing this, you're pioneering".

There's absolutely no excuse for a field at least 50 years old to consist entirely of quacks who are just fucking around and have no established procedures but are just whacking away randomly with their scalpels and hand axes and whatever else they use to construct these frankenstein abominations.

 

[keyboredsm4shthe2nd]

"There isn't a way for surgeons to learn now, there's no formalised training program, no standards" says Ting in the trailer. ''We're inventing this, you're pioneering".

You know that's what the Nazis said, as well as the folks behind the Tuskegee Experiments, lobotomy, and MK Ultra.
You sound like an insane psychopath because you are one. But it's all okay, so long as you brainwash them into willingly becoming a test subject, right?
Look, I'm not going to pretend like the majority of modern medicine didn't come at the expense of cutting open non-consenting people locked in a nuthouse, but at least back then they probably didn't FLAUNT IT, and this is a purely cosmetic procedure. This isn't attempted reversal of necrosis, or cornea replacement, or open heart surgery. This is Mengelian butchery for shit-tier cosmetics that at best leaves you feeling nothing at all because fixing the brain is "wrong".
This all disgusts me on a visceral level.

 

[repentance]

There's absolutely no excuse for a field at least 50 years old to consist entirely of quacks who are just fucking around and have no established procedures but are just whacking away randomly with their scalpels and hand axes and whatever else they use to construct these frankenstein abominations.

They don't want the oversight which would come with forming a peak body for gender change surgery. If they did, it would have happened by now.

If there's no standard of care then you can't be sued for breaching it.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

There's absolutely no excuse for a field at least 50 years old

Ting the butcher makes it sound like trans crotch flaying is a recent invention. He admits there are NO standards and is still in the invention phase and yet he already did at least 1 underage srs surgery (Jazz Jennings) and it was a complete disaster.

He pretends to be a great pioneer who is exploring and inventing. Bullshit. He is nothing but a butcher with a bloated ego. Like most genital flayers he is overestimating his abilities. Just look what happened to Jazz and other Ting victims. Pioneer?? Hell no.

 

[AnOminous]

They don't want the oversight which would come with forming a peak body for gender change surgery. If they did, it would have happened by now.

What they most don't want is to give up their trade secrets, which make them a lot of money because people go to quacks like Jess Ting (what a great name for a joker) for whatever he can do. This is exactly the opposite of how science and medicine are supposed to work. In real medicine, professionals share what they've discovered so they can refine and improve on it so that patients are better served. That's not what these malevolent quacks do, though. They just whack away until after however many victims they have some product that competes with the other quacks, then keep it to themselves. So as Ting admits, these butchers are basically just making it up as they go and it takes them a few guinea pigs before they get it right, or at least as right as this form of quackery ever gets.

 

[Kiislova]

(snip. That trailer thing)

Why do all MtF on the trailer look like cheap whores on silicone or other assorted horrors?
The single (I guess?) FtM looked passable though.

Not a good presentation card Mr. Ting.

 

[Positron]

A fun paper brought to my attention by Zach "Zinnia Jones" Antolek, about the failure of boob jobs in male-to-trans troons. It is no wonder that troon boob jobs are so ugly: implants are designed with the woman chest wall in mind, and won't fit a broader male chest. Because the male nipples are further apart from the female's, they get pushed sideways with the female implant. Amusingly, "implants displaced onto abdomen" is listed as a "common reason" of unfavorable results.

 

[AnOminous]

A fun paper brought to my attention by Zach "Zinnia Jones" Antolek, about the failure of boob jobs in male-to-trans troons. It is no wonder that troon boob jobs are so ugly: implants are designed with the woman chest wall in mind, and won't fit a broader male chest. Because the male nipples are further apart from the female's, they get pushed sideways with the female implant. Amusingly, "implants displaced onto abdomen" is listed as a "common reason" of unfavorable results.

Who knew that treating body parts as some kind of modular bullshit that can just be bolted on to any model of human would have bad results? It's almost like there are inherent differences between the sexes and men aren't women or something.

 

[Throwing Romans]

Over time, we have gravitated toward accepting patient desires for larger implants because of high satisfaction rates and lack of complications. Even so, approximately half of patients would select larger implants than we would permit if allowed.

Of course they do, because they're mentally ill and this is a fetish.

That study is horrifying. The fact that instead of just, yknow, acknowledging that maybe we SHOULDN'T be doing this shit, they instead discuss ways they can make frankenstein's monster appear slightly more human. Mind you, even the results that they picture....aren't good. The combination of male frame and breast implants just doesn't fucking work.

 

[Terrorist]

Transitioning is a bad outcome 100% of the time. So let’s assume some troon gets a decent surgeon instead of these butchers and lucks out on twinkish genes, best case scenario is he’s mistaken for a woman in public but still will never function as one in private or be perceived as such in intimate relationships with anyone who matters to him unless they’re leftist ideologues or fellow perverts. The only good outcome for trannies is to live as their birth sex.

 

[Fapcop]

There's a lot of talking about revisions in all of these screenshots, and the tone of the comments suggests that going in for multiple revisions is seen as normal or even expected. I don't know how this would compare to other types of complex reconstructive surgery for people who had had grievous injuries, cancer, whatever. It's weirdly flippant about something that seems like it should be a big deal.

It’s so fucking bizarre.

Imagine you took your car to the mechanic. And there were other mechanics who did “revision repairs”.

And after you pick up the car, you’re like: “Meh, the transmission sorta works now. Will probably get a revision repair down the road!”

Wtf?!?

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Why on earth would you move to KENTUCKY to get GRS? Do cross-gender hormones rob people of any last shred of common sense?

These people are just beyond bizarre. She got elective surgery with a surgeon. Paid money for him to medically mutilate her, whole ch the surgeon did. But “REEEE!!! The surgeon might have be guilty of wrongthink”

 

[Throwing Romans]

It’s so fucking bizarre.

Imagine you took your car to the mechanic. And there were other mechanics who did “revision repairs”.

And after you pick up the car, you’re like: “Meh, the transmission sorta works now. Will probably get a revision repair down the road!”

Not to excuse the doctors (I stand by my hanging them from lampposts in a video game comment earlier), but major plastic surgeries sometimes go through a few revisions. Sometimes something that can look correct when the procedure is done won't necessarily heal properly and then will need further revisions. This is a known risk of plastics. Now mind you, there is a lot more consistency in most types of plastic surgery (and that's saying something...) than there is in SRS.

The doctors are wholesale creating a neovagina from dickskin/scrotal tissue/colon depending on the procedure. It's distinctly possible that they will finish the job and think it looks great (lol), but it doesn't heal up as expected.

There's also the issue of tissue becoming necrotic, fistulas, bloodflow problems that show up in healing, and all sorts of disgusting stuff I'd prefer not to imagine.

 

[neverendingmidi]

Not to excuse the doctors (I stand by my hanging them from lampposts in a video game comment earlier), but major plastic surgeries sometimes go through a few revisions. Sometimes something that can look correct when the procedure is done won't necessarily heal properly and then will need further revisions. This is a known risk of plastics. Now mind you, there is a lot more consistency in most types of plastic surgery (and that's saying something...) than there is in SRS.

The doctors are wholesale creating a neovagina from dickskin/scrotal tissue/colon depending on the procedure. It's distinctly possible that they will finish the job and think it looks great (lol), but it doesn't heal up as expected.

There's also the issue of tissue becoming necrotic, fistulas, bloodflow problems that show up in healing, and all sorts of disgusting stuff I'd prefer not to imagine.

The main plastic surgeries I’ve heard of getting revisions was for reconstructive surgery from severe physical trauma, like burns, acid, car accidents. The first doctor to experiment with it worked on guys from WWI who had had their faces blasted (or melted in the case of gas). And the pictures, as horrible as they are, look way more planned than any neovagina.

 

[Frances Kiwi Farmer]

A fun paper brought to my attention by Zach "Zinnia Jones" Antolek, about the failure of boob jobs in male-to-trans troons. It is no wonder that troon boob jobs are so ugly: implants are designed with the woman chest wall in mind, and won't fit a broader male chest. Because the male nipples are further apart from the female's, they get pushed sideways with the female implant. Amusingly, "implants displaced onto abdomen" is listed as a "common reason" of unfavorable results.

My favorite example of the "bolt-on boobs" effect is Gia Gunn of RuPaul's Drag Race fame.



She ("she" in the drag queen sense, to be clear) looked more feminine before the implants imo, the juxtaposition between the way-too-big circle tits and the hips so narrow they're basically concave just screams "man." And she has the benefit of being a classic HSTS twink with money for a good surgeon! Imagine how that shit looks on your average AGP.

 

[Questionable Ceviche]

I would expect revisions to be a not-uncommon complication for the procedure just given how complex it is from an anatomical perspective and how difficult it is to keep the area clean.

The weird thing to me is that everyone undergoing the surgery expects not just to have one revision but several. They all seem to have complications with stitches popping, tissue falling off, infections, etc. Every time the doctor barely replies or outright ghosts them. This kind of care would be completely unacceptable for any other surgical procedure. Lack of adequate aftercare results in poor healing results in more revisions. Post after post is stories of gross medical negligence followed up by how affirmative and positive it was. Gotta swill that kool-aid.

Surgeries involving transvaginal bladder mesh, polypropylene string breast implants, and cosmetic iris implants were heavily regulated or banned after a lot of people were harmed. It seems like nobody is keeping score regarding serious complications from GRS. The data to make sensible medical and regulatory recommendations isn't there. Even people who have been grievously harmed by these hack surgeons can't dare speak up about it for fear of getting excommunicated from their social support network.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

My favorite example of the "bolt-on boobs" effect is Gia Gunn of RuPaul's Drag Race fame.

I see your Gia Gunn and I raise you a Munroe Buergdorf.

Globular implants so far apart you could drive a coach and four between them.

 

[Frances Kiwi Farmer]

I see your Gia Gunn and I raise you a Munroe Buergdorf.

Globular implants so far apart you could drive a coach and four between them.

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I have to concede, Manroe's hog-body-with-tits is truly second to none.