BreadTube - The Unofficial ContraPoints Dickriders Club and the culture / drama surrounding the community.

[SkaTastic]

On the topic of Jeremy Corbyn, man these guys aren't taking his suspension well. A whole lot of "liberals get the bullet too" posting and every excuse under the sun for why they went ahead with Corbyn's sacking that doesn't involve him being hilariously unpopular.

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Is this the Breadtube subreddit? Because this is awfully Tankie for self-proclaimed "Ancoms".

 

[bigbombguy2222]

Is this the Breadtube subreddit? Because this is awfully Tankie for self-proclaimed "Ancoms".

Half of 'em are. The other half is /r/socialism.

But really. Compare Ancom rhetoric on liberals to Tankie rhetoric on liberals. There is no difference between these two groups of speds at their heart.

 

[Woke Blue Muttlema]

On the topic of Jeremy Corbyn, man these guys aren't taking his suspension well. A whole lot of "liberals get the bullet too" posting and every excuse under the sun for why they went ahead with Corbyn's sacking that doesn't involve him being hilariously unpopular.

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You just gotta love how the same people that would love to brutally sucker punch people they dissent to think their own side is the only one that is too pure and kind enough to try to reach common ground with people they disagree with.

 

[bigbombguy2222]

You just gotta love how the same people that would love to brutally sucker punch people they dissent to think their own side is the only one that is too pure and kind enough to try to reach common ground with people they disagree with.

Yep. That's internet politics for you in a nutshell. The idea of reaching out to others is synonymous with betrayal to the idiots involved. You can see it on both sides of the spectrum.

 

[Flamenco]

The UK Labour Party suspended Jeremey Corbyn (former party leader and one the patron saints of BreadTube) for being a liability.

Naturally, this has made The Kavernacle very upset:
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Whinges about Rachel Reeves praise of "Nazi" Nancy Astor, litterally after 2 minutes of browsing Nancy Astor's Wikipedia page.

Granted he thinks that the smart political move is for Corbyn, a divisive figure who presided over Labour's single biggest loss, to break away and form his own party, so it's really no surprise he's this dumb.

 

[Retrodogkiller]

A small breadtuber has made a video calling Xanderhal out for saying ‘retard’ and ‘retarded’:

Xanderhal is a moron who wants to be destiny while trying to be a hardcore lefty at the same time. Which causes a divide because he's trying to court an audience thats further left, and more soft than destiny's but thinks saying retard is gonna sway the edgy cod bros who drop nigger and retard in voice chat all day, to the left. Kid needs to take a course on rhetoric or talk to real people that aren't online lefties. It'll be great when he finally breaks and says nigger on stream like vaush did.

 

[Lmove]

Nick Rekieta is having a stream criticizing one of Philosophy Tube video about law.

 

[Watcher]

I got a feeling after the election "Breadtube" is gonna start going stale and shrivel especially if trump loses.

Nick Rekieta is having a stream criticizing one of Philosophy Tube video about law.

I love this livestream because Nick calls him out on selectively presenting information in such a way that it makes his point of view come across as correct and any opposition as retarded. When in reality he's distorting reality in such a way that his political opinions are correct. And viewers don't question this because his channel is called "Philosophytube" and has skit comedy spread throughout. So people don't know they're actually being fed biased political opinions through the lens of being "educated".

I really wish more youtube creators would dismantle videos by him because they're utterly insufferable. And his rabid fans swallow them without any critical thinking while also parroting already long debunked tankie political arguments said in them.

also the superchatter calling him "landwhale downie Adam Driver" made me spill my drink

 

[NateHewspapers]

Fuck Nick Rekieta for reminding me that Breadtube exists. I hate this faggot sissy hypno cabal more than anything else on the planet.

 

[bigbombguy2222]

Xanderhal is a moron who wants to be destiny while trying to be a hardcore lefty at the same time. Which causes a divide because he's trying to court an audience thats further left, and more soft than destiny's but thinks saying retard is gonna sway the edgy cod bros who drop nigger and retard in voice chat all day, to the left. Kid needs to take a course on rhetoric or talk to real people that aren't online lefties. It'll be great when he finally breaks and says nigger on stream like vaush did.

He comes across as someone who just wants to make friends, and has clung onto internet politics to find said friends. See - the talk he had with Destiny in which he's practically begging him to make up with Vaush. It's a common thing in breadtube - Most of these people lead pretty mediocre lives over all, and there's two ways their current obsessions can go. Either they'll wisen up and leave for greener pastures, or they'll enter a tailspin and fall down into a pit they can't climb out of. Xanderhal's like that too. I can totally see his audience of oversensitive zoomers turn on him if he accidentally goes a little bit too far. He'll get stabbed in the back and left to rot, like so many others in these kinds of circles ended up.

I really wish more youtube creators would dismantle videos by him because they're utterly insufferable. And his rabid fans swallow them without any critical thinking while also parroting already long debunked tankie political arguments said in them.

Eventually it'll come to that. Right now, the wind's still in their sails. Most people aren't going to kick the bee hive and get a horde of assmad commie idiots to come after them, because there's little to gain out of that as of now. But the same was true of the skeptics circa 2016 as well. They thought they were invincible - look what happened. It's only a matter of time before they try to punch above their own weight ( think breadtubers trying to run for office ), and new people will crawl out of the woodworks to shit on 'em. Happend before, it'll happen again.

 

[Notgoodwithusernames]

He comes across as someone who just wants to make friends, and has clung onto internet politics to find said friends. See - the talk he had with Destiny in which he's practically begging him to make up with Vaush. It's a common thing in breadtube - Most of these people lead pretty mediocre lives over all, and there's two ways their current obsessions can go. Either they'll wisen up and leave for greener pastures, or they'll enter a tailspin and fall down into a pit they can't climb out of. Xanderhal's like that too. I can totally see his audience of oversensitive zoomers turn on him if he accidentally goes a little bit too far. He'll get stabbed in the back and left to rot, like so many others in these kinds of circles ended up.


Eventually it'll come to that. Right now, the wind's still in their sails. Most people aren't going to kick the bee hive and get a horde of assmad commie idiots to come after them, because there's little to gain out of that as of now. But the same was true of the skeptics circa 2016 as well. They thought they were invincible - look what happened. It's only a matter of time before they try to punch above their own weight ( think breadtubers trying to run for office ), and new people will crawl out of the woodworks to shit on 'em. Happend before, it'll happen again.

Its already happening. Videos and livestreams debunking breadtube are becoming more and more frequent. I remember searching up renegade cut debunked and only getting 2 or three results now videos calling out his bs arte becoming more and more common. People are realizing that breadtube is more shallow than prageru. I have a theory that QUinton inadvertantly started this by burning all his bridges in an attempt to leech off the breadtube audience

 

[Bec]

Alot of people seem optimistic of breadtube downfall.

 

[Syaoran Li]

Alot of people seem optimistic of breadtube downfall.

Mainly because the election will spell their downfall no matter the outcome

A Biden win will render them irrelevant and they'll be like all those fedora-tipping atheists bitching about the fundies all these years later. The more radical commie punks like Jason Unruhe or Yvette Falarca are more likely to get vanned even under a Kamala presidency (she's the Bonaparte to their Jacobins) while the BreadTubers as a whole will either get in line or sperg out into irrelevancy.

A Trump win will pretty much blackpill the Woke Left as a whole and likely cut off a lot of the neoliberal establishment's support for them. SJW's, Anarcho-Communists, and the Woke Left in general are really just useful idiots for the same corporate "tech bros" they claim to hate so much. You'll see a lot of rage at first but then depression and demoralization, especially if Trump's preexisting EO's against Critical Theory are kept and extended or we see harsher crackdowns on Antifa and BLM over the riots.

Some of the more savvy BreadTubers like ContraPoints will try and coast on that initial outburst to stay in a little longer plus since he's a troon and not a total beardo like Vaush, he can probably stay in longer than anyone.

The last attempt to "cancel" him pretty much failed and since he's a lot better at hiding his AGP status and doesn't look like a Jonathan Yaniv or Rhys McKinnon-tier troon, it's easier for him to skate by as long as he has time to prepare for his videos. Contra strikes me as the smartest of the BreadTubers and the most mercenary of the lot. He'll move onto an entirely new grift and just keep being a sleazy con artist libertine.

Vaush will be imperially fucked by this election no matter what, since the moment it becomes clear that BreadTube's a sinking ship, someone will #MeToo his sorry ass and get ahead by throwing one of the more prominent commies under the bus. Vaush is a repulsive beardo and a sex pest, so there's plenty to use against him once Saturn inevitably starts eating his children.

 

[bigbombguy2222]

Alot of people seem optimistic of breadtube downfall.

Because that is just what happens to internet political communities. Atheism, libertarianism, radical-centrists, skeptics, the alt-right, all of them are either dead or merely a shell of themselves. People shitposting on the internet has never lead to genuine political change, why would this be any different? Breadtube has the exact same drama and personalities that plagued all those earlier internet communities, and we've seen where this road leads.

The first cracks in the facade are already clear. They've done very little with their momentum in 2018, and the predictable drama and infighting sperging is coming to light as a result. Both Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders got humiliated in their respective elections. The community's still doing well right now in terms of viewership, but there's little coming out of it. If Trump doesn't win the election, they'll gradually shrivel up in relevance as the libs watching them for orange man bad content will move back to what they were doing in the Obama years. You can also expect social media companies to start cracking down on the edgy content - which will be very entertaining to watch after all the celebration when right-wingers got kicked off.

 

[LizCurly89]

under a Kamala presidency (she's the Bonaparte to their Jacobins) while the BreadTubers as a whole will either get in line or sperg out into irrelevancy.

If Biden-Harris wins the eleection, expect to see a lot of spergy content to "push the dems left." Lots of critiques of speeches etc. These will be boring streams and vidoes, and i suspect many will continue to decry the rise of "literal facism," and will dedicate their channels to rooting it out wherever it is thought to lurk.

Some of the more intellegent Breadtubers will reach out to progressive challengers to corporate democrats to help promote their campaigns. I also expect figures like AOC to continue to nurture these creators, it's free publicity from ideologues who will promote them far more dogmatically than anyone from the msm. The whole impetus for Breadtube was to create propoganda to counter the right on youtube. They've even come out with a PragerU knock off. (This in my opion is their biggest mistake, as copying the formats of these vidoes/creators just serves to legitmize the original work as effective in the first place. Part of what made Contra stand out in the first place was the distinctiveness of their videos. It's innovation rather than imitation which serves to gain relevance).

A Trump win will pretty much blackpill the Woke Left as a whole and likely cut off a lot of the neoliberal establishment's support for them.

A Trump win could also re-energize their claims that America is a neo fash utopia, and their content will continue as usual, but the benevolence from the tech companies will end. The dems will throw the left under the bus the moment they loose, and will repeat the same lines about Bernie Sanders supporters. Sure, many will claim this unfair to place at their feet, but I wouldn't be suprised if you began to see more center-left creators emerge to challenge the Bernie or Bust narrative. Also, edgy humor from the left may also come under fire, as well as any support for BLM/Antifa riots, as the riots will be blamed for a Biden loss by the left.

. You'll see a lot of rage at first but then depression and demoralization, especially if Trump's preexisting EO's against Critical Theory are kept and extended or we see harsher crackdowns on Antifa and BLM over the

Depression and demoralization for the audiances certainly, but elation from the creators. They feed on those negative emotions, and if vaush and his peers have learned anything these past couple years, it's that bad news equals more views.

plus since he's a troon and not a total beardo like Vaush, he can probably stay in longer than anyone.

Yeah, i do see him outlasting everyone else because of the troonery, and because he has his own unique video style which he pioneered. I do see him moving towards streaming though, especially given the dive in quality of his content, and the fact that he couldn't keep a deadline to save his life.
I do think he's surpassed his peak in relevance though. His more groundbreaking work was done pre transition, and he remains silent on the truly hot button topics like which age a child should be allowed to transition, under which circumstances and whether or not transwomen should be allowed to complete against natal females in sports.

They've done very little with their momentum in 2018, and the predictable drama and infighting sperging is coming to light as a result. Both Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders got humiliated in their respective elections.

Apart from the top tier creators, most were reluctant to work with other creators, keeping their growth stagnant. Sure r/breadtube offers some promotion, but most YouTibe views come from algorithmic suggestions. The Bernie Sanders loss helped boost views, and the suspension of Corbyn may encourage some to feel persecuted, but for the most part, the focus will shift to Aoc and the squad. Their best bet is to entice her back on stream/video, but she has to be careful with whomst she associates, especially after hanging out with 9/11 Nephew Hassan.

You can also expect social media companies to start cracking down on the edgy content - which will be very entertaining to watch after all the celebration when right-wingers got kicked off.

Expect this to happen under a Biden admin. I see it coming a year into his presidency so the corporate types can accuse the breadtubers for spreading foriegn disinformation in order to discredit the president. If it can happen to the NY post, then it can certainly happen to these no name fucks...and you're right, watching them get kicked off will be so satisfying after years of them arguing for censorship and deplatformimg

 

[scathefire]

Nick Rekieta is having a stream criticizing one of Philosophy Tube video about law.

It's a collab with LegalEagle, who from what i've seen a lot of people here seem to hate:

 

[Pointless Pedant]

Because that is just what happens to internet political communities. Atheism, libertarianism, radical-centrists, skeptics, the alt-right, all of them are either dead or merely a shell of themselves. People shitposting on the internet has never lead to genuine political change, why would this be any different? Breadtube has the exact same drama and personalities that plagued all those earlier internet communities, and we've seen where this road leads.

The first cracks in the facade are already clear. They've done very little with their momentum in 2018, and the predictable drama and infighting sperging is coming to light as a result. Both Jeremy Corbyn and Bernie Sanders got humiliated in their respective elections. The community's still doing well right now in terms of viewership, but there's little coming out of it. If Trump doesn't win the election, they'll gradually shrivel up in relevance as the libs watching them for orange man bad content will move back to what they were doing in the Obama years. You can also expect social media companies to start cracking down on the edgy content - which will be very entertaining to watch after all the celebration when right-wingers got kicked off.

Atheism is the odd one since the online community petered out and died just as the real thing was starting to get popular. It would be the equivalent of online libertarians dying as soon as someone actually abolished taxes, or BreadTube dying immediately after Sanders took office.

https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

 

[Jarolleon]

Not really.

Spoiler: TL;DR sperging about skinheads, punk rock, and politics

Skinhead rock was a working class English reaction to punk becoming "too commercial" that started when punk was just barely becoming a mainstream success, and white nationalist and eventually neo-Nazi skinheads arose pretty organically from that scene. Skrewdriver is a good example of this paradigm. They didn't worm their way into the scene one day and try to turn it Nazi. They started as a street punk band that wasn't particularly racist and becoming more and more white nationalist and eventually national socialist as time went on.

This parallels skinhead's evolution as a subculture as a whole. It started as a black and white working class English thing, that ironically drew roots from Caribbean as well as British culture and had reggae as its musical genre of choice. Even in the early days there were racist undercurrents to some portions of skinhead culture... but not against black people. Blacks and whites would both engage in "Paki bashing" because they disliked Pakistani immigrants for taking their jobs.

Then right around the time punk was becoming a thing, "black liberation" and pan-African nationalism also started becoming a thing, and this drove a wedge between a lot of black and white skinheads. A lot of black skinheads abandoned the scene to become kangz (to use a modern term that roughly captures what was going on and why it was so divisive), and a lot of white skinheads started replacing the more overtly "black" aspects of the subculture with alternatives, including replacing reggae with punk. This was by no means universal, and there were still quite a few black skinheads (and still are today) and white skinheads who listened to reggae, but it did produce a noticeable cultural shift and punk completely supplanted reggae as "skinhead music."

Skinhead subculture becoming more "white" led to more white racists becoming a part of it, but the media also contributed heavily to this by biased negative reporting and moral panic shitstirring. As "skinhead" became synonymous with "Neo-Nazi" in the eyes of much of the public, it unsurprisingly made white racists want to be a part of the skinhead subculture, and repelled most other people who weren't already acquainted with it. A negative feedback loop. Then you had William Luthor Pierce and his record label, which is probably about as close as you got to Nazis trying to deliberately subvert punk for their purposes, but Pierce was only exploiting something that had already sprang up without any outside influence.

Skinhead subculture and skinhead rock still aren't, and never have been an exclusively "Nazi" thing. There's the white nationalist and neo-Nazi wing, the "anti-racist" wing which has been pretty much overrun with far left Antifa types, and the "neutral" wing of people who mostly just want to listen to their music, wear their cloths, and bond over working class travails. There are also a lot of people in the "neutral" wing who are more traditionally conservative or libertarian, and a lot of those people get smeared as neo-Nazis by Antifa types, which is very easy to do because most people outside the scene only know skinheads from movies like American History X.

Early punk's affiliation with the left also tends to be exaggerated nowadays. The Ramones had right wing Johnny, and while the Sex Pistols could be considered "anti-conservative" they were general provocateurs, not any kind of left wing ideologues. Band members wore swastika shirts to offend people. And now Johnny Rotten is a Trump supporter who's calling for an end to lockdowns. You also had bands like Agnostic Front that were fairly apolitical but occasionally dipped into messages that were a bit more right leaning. If anything, punk as a genre has been subverted more into an exclusively left wing thing as it became trendy, commercialized, and "radical chic" whereas in the earlier days it was all over the map.

Was the Pan-Africanism of that time much like the modern progressivism (i.e. every race must unite against the white man type shit)? Because now I'm imagining some Breadtube sped saying "And then they became educated, and learned that they really had no quarrel with the Pakis, but with the white supremacist capitalist patriarchy that forced them to compete for resources."

The Dems have been chomping at the bit for a chance to "clean up" social media from radicalism. Obviously it's ditected mostly at Alt-Right and Conservative voices, but remember if Biden does end up winning, perhaps the main focus of the administration will be to purge anything that they believe led to the election of Trump, or was emboldened by the Trump era.

Even though they still have a hard-on for Charlottesville, the Dems know that they have a major PR disaster on their hands with Antifa and rogue BLMers. Sure, you can offer tepid little excuses for them now whilst Trump is president, but there will be no appetite to excuse their behavior under a potential Biden admin. Besides, if they don't crack down on the alt left, the Republicans and MAGA ppl will cry foul. They're basically compelled to act.

Obvs some Breadtubers will stick around. There's always the select few from each political community which has been able to create a career for themselves by just sticking around. I think the best example of that is probably Sargon, who still maintains a significant, albeit reduced, following from his gg days (this continued relevance is spurned in part by the Breadheads who constantly keep his name in their mouth, giving him a form of unintentional credence).

I think Contra, Philosophy Tube, HBomberguy and the bigger Breadtubers will be fine. Notably absent from Contra's last video on voter participation was a cosplay of the Trantifa Cat Tabby which helped make him an internet star to begin with. Instead, Nyk used a twitter avatar to represent this character. I suspect he wants to shy away from being accused of peddling the same type of dog whistle accusations upon which he built that whole channel. I think he's far too savvy to risk his YouTube coin for a stupid political stunt.

Some Breadtubers who are in trouble:

1. Reeee-Education, a anarcho commie larper who promotes arms and defense training on his channel, along side nebulous referees to an impending revolution.

2. Non-Compete: A leftist American ex-pat in Vietnam, who runs apolgetics for the CCP, promotes questionable tankie adjacent type organization, and is known to promote fringe weirdos.

3. Vaush and Xanderpig: i suspect YouTube is going to crack down on promoting political content under a new admin, and this would affect Vaush more than anyone, as his bombastic style and ardent defense of Antifa is more than a little off putting to corporate types.

Besides, Silicon Valley, Wall Street and Washington all want a sleepy return to the status quo, they dont want to boost leftists, right wingers or centrists. They want uninvolved normies who dont rock the boat either way.

Sounds a bit like the discord of early Christianity after its official adoption. For a time heretics and pagans were tolerated, but eventually people (i.e. zealots like Theosius I and St. Ambrose) got sick of non-Nicenes existing, and secured 10 centuries of religious harmony in western Europe (mostly). Breadtube types, from their comics &c., seem to think that the vast majority of people share their hatred of "the chuds" and will breathe a sigh of relief once the Left takes over and gulags them all, forever freeing the world from their oppressive presence.

 

[Shaka Brah]

Atheism is the odd one since the online community petered out and died just as the real thing was starting to get popular. It would be the equivalent of online libertarians dying as soon as someone actually abolished taxes, or BreadTube dying immediately after Sanders took office.

https://www.pewforum.org/2019/10/17/in-u-s-decline-of-christianity-continues-at-rapid-pace/

It's because the online infidel community was very right-wing, but the program for the elimination of Christianity is very left-wing. They had to be marginalized because the people leading the charge with Atheism+ feared their influence might make the Atheist movement more right-materialist and push people towards Fascism instead of Communism.

 

[Pointless Pedant]

It's because the online infidel community was very right-wing, but the program for the elimination of Christianity is very left-wing. They had to be marginalized because the people leading the charge with Atheism+ feared their influence might make the Atheist movement more right-materialist and push people towards Fascism instead of Communism.

I don't think Carl Benjamin and TJ Kirk were pushing many people towards fascism.