2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Pennsylvania court order being overturned was fake, NBC just straight up lied:


FAKE NEWS: NBC falsely claims that Pennsylvania Supreme Court overruled Trump victory on vote count observers​


So there’s a standing court order to allow observers. All good right?

Haha, nope.

They’re still not letting anyone in and the police aren’t coming down to enforce the order:
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The best part about the new twitter warnings is that they’ve either given up or have realized that the evidence for things like this is so overwhelming that they’d never get away with it.

*Has “election security” tag -> Twitter wants you to think it’s bullshit even if it’s true.

*Does not have “election security” tag -> Absolutely true to the point where they can’t even cover it up.
Optimistic take, but Twitter might have just realized the wind is blowing towards Trump winning in the SC. The case, even without the recounts and direct checks, is sufficient to get Penn. down in the courts. Michigan is much the same. You have moderate cases in Georgia and Arizona. Nevada is a complete mystery though, so is South Carolina.
 
i didn't expect american news outlets to be so irresponsible. thank you for the explanation.
Nobody did, and the erosion of trust is what makes it so irresponsible.
Pennsylvania court order being overturned was fake, NBC just straight up lied:


FAKE NEWS: NBC falsely claims that Pennsylvania Supreme Court overruled Trump victory on vote count observers​


So there’s a standing court order to allow observers. All good right?

Haha, nope.

They’re still not letting anyone in and the police aren’t coming down to enforce the order:
View attachment 1710148

The best part about the new twitter warnings is that they’ve either given up or have realized that the evidence for things like this is so overwhelming that they’d never get away with it.

*Has “election security” tag -> Twitter wants you to think it’s bullshit even if it’s true.

*Does not have “election security” tag -> Absolutely true to the point where they can’t even cover it up.
Do they seriously think they can get away with this or do they want it so that Trump wins to cry about how he stole it?
So, errors like the 1/1/1900 or dead people voting, would that just force a recount rather than be evidence of fraud?

Also, this might seem like a dumb question, and isn't directed specifically at you @Gehenna but can I assume that recounts are done by different people than who did the original counts? Especially if there's a suspicion of fraud?
They're at least counted with a different method.
 
Pennsylvania court order being overturned was fake, NBC just straight up lied:


FAKE NEWS: NBC falsely claims that Pennsylvania Supreme Court overruled Trump victory on vote count observers​


So there’s a standing court order to allow observers. All good right?

Haha, nope.

They’re still not letting anyone in and the police aren’t coming down to enforce the order:
View attachment 1710148

The best part about the new twitter warnings is that they’ve either given up or have realized that the evidence for things like this is so overwhelming that they’d never get away with it.

*Has “election security” tag -> Twitter wants you to think it’s bullshit even if it’s true.

*Does not have “election security” tag -> Absolutely true to the point where they can’t even cover it up.
Imagine it ends up feeling like a ending to a movie. The Pennsylvania election station decided to blow it self up out of fear of discovery taking themselves with it
 
Yes

SC might go this is unresolvable because now we cant separate shit so have the legislatures select the slate of electors

At some point, the Republicans will need to say to the Democrats "There are two options. One is that we re-run the election with observers present at the count and under rules that both sides accept means the election is free and fair. The other option is that the state legislatures send Republican electors. What we're not going to do is certify the existing process is anything resembling a free and fair election"

Otherwise, we're going to spend the next few weeks with Democrats claiming that they've just counted another 250,000 votes, and guess what, Biden is in the lead in a state where he was previously 2 points behind. The end result of that is that Biden is 'elected', half the country regard that as illegitimate and the Democrats never get control of the House or Senate. And Big Tech silences anyone who complains.

That is so dystopian it can't be allowed to happen.
 
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So, errors like the 1/1/1900 or dead people voting, would that just force a recount rather than be evidence of fraud?

Also, this might seem like a dumb question, and isn't directed specifically at you @Gehenna but can I assume that recounts are done by different people than who did the original counts? Especially if there's a suspicion of fraud?
Recounts are done under direct, INTENSIVE observation. And the dead people thing would force a recount.
 
What's anyone gonna do about it?
The boogaloo bros have been pretty open about what they plan to do about it. I suspect that the new protests will start peaceful but have the potential to be 1000 times worse than anything BLM/Antifa does. Like you said, they're a small, astroturfed minority. These are real, angry Americans who just got screwed over by a rigged election.

Trump has the support of the majority of the country - he wouldn't have won on election night otherwise. His support is also highly enthusiastic. Escalating the situation with livid, armed citizens by sending in the National guard is a recipe for disaster. The Biden administration will not have international support if they napalm their own citizens. Not to mention the possibility that things could go full Vietnam and the National guard loses against the most armed citizenry in the world.

Basically Alex Jones was right when he said 1776 will commence again.
 
Optimistic, I know, but if Biden wanted to do the one decent thing, he should concede before even more fraud is found out. The longer this goes on, the worse his party looks. All of this fraud is pointing towards Democrats and it would be better to save face than to have it go to the Supreme Court and be decided that way.
No, because right now the Dems have nothing to lose.

If they attempt fraud and win, then there was no fraud and it was just sore rethuglikkkan whiners.
If they attempt fraud and fail, well they were doomed anyways and its not like the party higher-ups will face any justice.

Now I would personally love it if Biden conceded this afternoon, but he and his handlers have nothing to gain from doing so.
 
Optimistic take, but Twitter might have just realized the wind is blowing towards Trump winning in the SC. The case, even without the recounts and direct checks, is sufficient to get Penn. down in the courts. Michigan is much the same. You have moderate cases in Georgia and Arizona. Nevada is a complete mystery though, so is South Carolina.
Woah, this is news to me, what's going on in SC?
 
Not rating you optimistic, because I'm in agreement that this is what Biden should do.

The sad thing is that, hey, these are career politicians. There's no way he's going to do that, even if copius amounts of fraud are proven 110% ... Biden knows he won't suffer any consequences from it.
Anyone still claiming Biden as a more decent person than Trump has wool over their eyes. Biden’s lovable grandpa shtick is a facade. Biden can’t run a campaign on “decency”, then turn around and accept this fraud as a legitimate win.
 
You know I've been thinking about this for a while, I've been feeling kind of down mostly disheartened that stuff like this is happening and questioning why people would do this, just to own someone. And after really thinking about this and talking to some Conservatives (older btw) even though they're disappointed at how things are coming along, they still have that glimmer of hope and optimism that things will work out however they will, in other words, whatever happens happens. I really admire that and it's sort of bringing me out of a slump I've been feeling these past couple days. Because hell, even if we lose, we sure didnt lose without a fight.
I sometimes reflect on how our Founding Fathers felt when going up against the biggest nation on the planet back then. I dunno, maybe this is the American spirit, the determination and will to face adversity in spite of everything. I'm sure they were just as nervous and anxious that they would lose BIG time, but that didn't stop them from at least trying.
 
"He was 'very surprised' by Trump's claims of postal ballot fraud, citing the US has used this voting method since the 19th century." No it hasn't.

And it sent 100 observers to 30 states.... uhm. I am fairly sure there is more than that in DISTRICTS in New York City.

Woah, this is news to me, what's going on in SC?
North Carolina* Got the wrong Carolina.
 
One of his main faults is he doesn't strategize for this kind of stuff ahead of time. He was trying to win through turnout beating the margin of fraud, and he underestimated the fraud.

I have no doubt Trump will go down fighting. I have serious doubts he knows how to fight this stuff. He's a genius at media manipulation and marketing, not navigating state level election laws and rooting out corruption. The people around him are good at what they do, including law generally, but I'm not seeing the immediate demands for ballot invalidation that a hardcore fighter should have filed by now.

Mark my words and screenshot this: the minute the counting is "over", those suspicious ballots will disappear into incinerators and will never be seen again.

The election officials will shrug and say "oh no, with all these millions of pieces of paper, a few went missing! It happens, it's a clerical error, no biggie". When Giuliani's gang finally gets around to dramatically announcing a lawsuit to throw some out, when the re-counters and inspectors finally get access to the stash, all that will be left are some legit ballots for them to scan and grumble over. You'll get half a dozen election officials slapped on the wrist for "irregularities", and the DNC will give reimburse them the $2000 fine via cash in a brown paper bag.

The ballots that are currently running up the reported numbers will never see the light of day after Saturday of this week. Their totals will never be removed unless you find a court ballsy enough to actually invalidate the election itself.

I hope Trump proves me wrong, but he should be doing some democracy-threatening shit that makes his own side nervous by now. He's still playing nice. I don't just want a fighter, I want one who goes for the kill.
Praying that he is waiting for things to develop before coming out to address the public again, and announcing some substantial moves.. There's a reason he didn't personally come out yesterday or so far today.
 
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