2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[Gehenna]

Literally the time they were received. All of these states (except PA) have laws passed by their legislature that forces all ballots (Mail in or otherwise) to be in by 7-9 PM election day. All of these ballots came in around 4 AM the next day. By these state's own laws, they should invalidate the mail-in ballots that cam in at that time. In addition, PA's Supreme court mandated they accept mail-in ballots 3 days after the election. However, that is an explicit job of the state legislature to set up according to the US Constitution and the PA legislature set the time all ballots to be accepted to ... 8 PM election day. Thus, it basically is a case of invalid ballots being counted as valid, against the various state laws against this and the PA Supreme Court laying down an unconstitutional law.

I'd note, PA had the same laws actually, it is the interjection by the PASC that changed it. A clear violation of the Constitution.

 

[Gustav Schuchardt]

Since the system is going down the tubes and considerations of legitimacy take second place to legality I'd advise Trump to pardon himself and his close associates on his last day in office. The President's right to pardon is a plenary power constitutionally rather like the power of state legislators to choose how they appoint electors.

Otherwise, if the Democrats manage to get their man in, they will most certainly come after him with various prosecutions until they get a conviction. They'll come after his kids too, to try to stop them running themselves.

Actually, if I was Trump I'd be pardoning loads of people who went down for him too. Michael Flynn definitely deserves one.

When you see cunts on Twitter making lists and joking about how Trump will never get out of prison, they're not joking. Actually. come to think of it, why not pardon everyone on the lists?

 

[draggs]

Can somebody ITT explain a viable path for Trump to dispute the results in many of these states?

By that, I mean, suppose there are 20,000 fabricated ballots in a given state which are all for Biden, and they flipped the state... how would anybody catch them on a recount? How do you weed out fraudulent ballots once they're already in the system? Somebody earlier ITT mentioned the isotope marking, but I don't know very much about that, and if the level of fraud necessary to pull this off is being done by professionals, won't they have factored such a variable in? What then?

It's great to have everybody claim the timing, and the numbers, and the caliber of Joe Biden himself being contributing factors to the results being fishy... but unless there's a way to undo what's already been done? I think you've been snookered.

Amy Coney Barrett's 5-4 majority opinion in four weeks will explain it to you quite well

The real spice will be Uncle Clarence though. He gonna go hog wild for Antonin

 

[RandomTwitterGuy]

Something to note @RandomTwitterGuy , the source 'discrediting' Benford's law is a decade old. This is important because the article came out when political scientists were first trying to figure out how to best use it. It specifically notes 2BL is not a good indicator of fraud on its own... and yes. its not. Which is why the consensus a decade later is that 2BL and 3BL are good confirmations of 1BL, but NOT to be used as indicators by themselves.

It is actually a VERY useful piece, and while I have minor critiques of its methodology it goes a good ways to proving the limitations of 2BL.. Limitations well known, accepted, and accounted for a decade after its creation.

This i agree with. IT can show something weird going on, but it should be taken as more of indication of something rather then evidence. Like i keep saying, if people want to make conjecture then that is fine, but evidence has to be solid.

Also i don't think it is Discrediting benford's law in any way. It is only pointing out limitations of Benfords Law when to comes to voting and elections.

 

[verissimus]

I think people need to start being intellectually honest. It's bad to impeach a President when the case is partisan and you don't have the votes to get it through the Senate. It was bad when it happened to Trump, and it was bad when it happened to Clinton.

Though the odd thing is if the Republicans get the House back at this point I could see them doing a tactical impeachment of Biden, assuming he gets in. It won't pass but it might motivate their base. The thing is that in that scenario they have got a valid reason for impeachment - this election was a farce and he's #NotTheirPresident.

Another thing would be for Red States to just start ignoring laws from DC they find offensive. E.g. if Biden passes gun control, they pass amnesties much like the Democrats did over Trump's immigration law. If tranny bathrooms get pushed through again, do the same thing. There are loads of ways to subvert Federal law without actually going full lawless.

Actually, fuck intellectual honesty. If the other side doesn't practice it's no holds barred.

I think the era of Big Federal Government might actually have come to an end. Not through some Article V convention but purely based on the fact that Red States will ignore Blue Presidents and vice versa. So the Blue States will turn a blind eye to illegals voting Democrat and the Red States will turn a blind eye to the fact that an Assault Weapons Ban will be blatantly violated and if little Timmy tries to tell the girls he's Timmina and he wants to see them change, he'll be told to GTFO and the police will let that happen. Maybe the Federal government will be confined to foreign policy and that foreign policy will simply be a dogged defense of the status quo of American hegemony.

It'll be interesting to see if Biden is 'elected' if he realizes that his power to enforce his will on Red States will disappear if he pushes his luck or if he'll go full steam ahead and see it evaporate.

Jeeze I never thought about that. Impeaching Biden. Yeah...that could be a thing although both Trump and Clinton have proven that impeachment alone means nothing. I honestly would hope Republicans don't even bother. It is infinitely more damning for them to demand investigations into this election and put Pelosi and the rest of the cabal on the spot.

On a whole other note, I'm sure you will all disagree, but I think you ought to consider this thought, that is, if Trump is either legally successful in his cases and/or the 4 recounts (yes folks that haven't been paying attention, we're up to 4) we're up for favor him and he is then declared the winner, he ought to resign. I'm quite serious about this. It is certainly clear the Left will not relent their contempt for Trump and his supporters whether Biden is declared the winner or not, and and there is no reason to believe most Republicans/conservatives will accept Biden as President.

Trump will have to deal with Nancy Pelosi for at least another 2 years. Clearly that will mean continued investigations against him, his family, and his supporters along with virtually nothing getting done in Congress for just those 2 years. The media (which I include social media) will continue spurning Trump as they've been doing for years. Antifa/BLM will raise their ugly heads again with renewed ferocity. In short, it will just be another miserable slog for at least 2 more years if not 4. Why not bow out after if he can secure a victory for himself and Pence? It would still be one last FU to the Left, and he could manage to heal some of the rifts in the country if he did so.

 

[Gehenna]

This i agree with. IT can show something weird going on, but it should be taken as more of indication of something rather then evidence. Like i keep saying, if people want to make conjecture then that is fine, but evidence has to be solid.

As evidence, its evidence of anomalous data. In elections, that usually means fraud. Now, you can argue the "Usually doesn't mean always", but to claim that it means there's no evidence or considerable suspicion then... frankly you'd need to get your head out of your ass. It's sufficient enough that the IRS has used it to go after major companies for financial fraud. Its absolutely strong enough to give probable cause to any legal body.

 

[Chad Holdenford]

I’ve already broken out the Rum and Coke. But I’ll share a beer and laugh at MAGAtards with you.

Yo, I'm always down for Cubas Libres. I can even bring lemons. I don't mind the hardcore MAGApedes, we can laugh together for this and other reasons, like delusional leftists.

 

[Kane Lives]

Jeeze I never thought about that. Impeaching Biden. Yeah...that could be a thing although both Trump and Clinton have proven that impeachment alone means nothing. I honestly would hope Republicans don't even bother. It is infinitely more damning for them to demand investigations into this and put Pelosi and the rest of the cabal on the spot.

On a whole other note, I'm sure you will all disagree, but I think you consider this thought, that is, if Trump is either legally successful in his cases and/or the 4 recounts (yes folks that haven't been paying attention, we're up to 4) we're up for favor him and he is then declared the winner, he ought to resign. I'm quite serious about this. It is certainly clear the Left will not relent their contempt for Trump and his supporters whether Biden is declared the winner or not, and and there is no reason to believe most Republicans/conservatives will accept Biden as President.

Trump will have to deal with Nancy Pelosi for at least another 2 years. Clearly that will mean continued investigations against him, his family, and his supporters along with virtually nothing getting done in Congress for just those 2 years. The media (which I include social media) will continue spurning Trump as they've been doing for years. Antifa/BLM will raise their ugly heads again with renewed ferocity. In short, it will just be another miserable slog for at least 2 more years if not 4. Why not bow out after if he can secure a victory for himself and Pence? It would still be one last FU to the Left, and he could manage to heal some of the rifts in the country if he did so.

Nah. Won't happen. If Trump gets the win (big if), you can be sure he'd use every power at his disposal to ratfuck those who tried to smear him.

After all, they have indicated that they'd hound him, his family, his staffers and anyone associated with him if he loses this round. They made the stakes clear, and they offered him no reasonable out.

That's not even considering the man himself. He's a fighter at heart. He'd want to break (metaphorical) legs for this.

 

[6MillionCoofs]

Prediction.

This will go to the SC with the strongest legal case ever. Trump will still lose.
Biden will be in and then removed due to the 25th.
Usual places will have measures put in place to make sure the establishments is never caught off guard again.
Republicans are allowed to be President in 2024, to convince everyone Trump was a fluck.

 

[Techpriest]

Can somebody ITT explain a viable path for Trump to dispute the results in many of these states?

By that, I mean, suppose there are 20,000 fabricated ballots in a given state which are all for Biden, and they flipped the state... how would anybody catch them on a recount? How do you weed out fraudulent ballots once they're already in the system? Somebody earlier ITT mentioned the isotope marking, but I don't know very much about that, and if the level of fraud necessary to pull this off is being done by professionals, won't they have factored such a variable in? What then?

It's great to have everybody claim the timing, and the numbers, and the caliber of Joe Biden himself being contributing factors to the results be contributing factors to the results being fishy... but unless there's a way to undo what's already been done? I think you've been snookered?

There isn’t one. He has no proof of voter fraud outside of Twitter posts and supporters reeing about actually legal things. The only success he’s had is separating the late arriving ballots in PA. Those haven’t been counted yet either so if he throws those out he throws out his chance at winning the election. Trump cannot win without PA.

I don't have one either, I'm not even American. The only reason I'm invested in this is because the circumstances are very questionable. I've said before that if Biden had won on election night I'd have moved on.

I could do with some of the beer, though.

Trump declared victory before any of the mail in votes were counted. Anyone with half a brain can tell you that the mail ins would be very important this election and would take time to count. Normally, it takes a few days to count mail ins, but you can do statistical analysis on what percent of the vote remains to give you a good idea of what things look like. In a normal election year without a massive pandemic and politicizing of mail in votes, mail votes and absentee ballots tend to lean dem anyway. Trump made a huge fucking issue about mail in ballots because he needs something to blame if he’s losing (and it could never be that people just don’t like him, it has to be fraud) and demonized the hell out of them. More people voted by mail this year than ever before because of the pandemic. These votes already leaned democrat, but now they’re solidly so, as less trump voters took the option to mail in a ballot and instead went to the polls in person - that’s why Trump had such a big lead on election night. Wisconsin, Michigan, and Pennsylvania all have laws saying you can’t count mail in ballots until the polls open on Election Day - these laws were passed by Republican state legislatures. Trump even before the election was trying to throw out a large chunk of ballots in PA, so counting was going to be slow and careful. Again, normally not an issue but holy fuck there’s a lot of mail in voting this year, which means there’s a big delay in the results as everything has to be counted, confirmed legal, and they couldn’t get a head start on it.

 

[Str8Bustah]

Nah. Won't happen. If Trump gets the win (big if), you can be sure he'd use every power at his disposal to ratfuck those who tried to smear him.

After all, they have indicated that they'd hound him, his family, his staffers and anyone associated with him if he loses this round. They made the stakes clear, and they offered him no reasonable out.

considering what Trump did during his presidency I'd be genuinely surprised if he started taking jabs at the democrats following this whole disaster.

 

[Corn Flakes]

As evidence, its evidence of anomalous data. In elections, that usually means fraud. Now, you can argue the "Usually doesn't mean always", but to claim that it means there's no evidence or considerable suspicion then... frankly you'd need to get your head out of your ass. It's sufficient enough that the IRS has used it to go after major companies for financial fraud. Its absolutely strong enough to give probable cause to any legal body.

That's the point he's been ignoring.

When you're talking about corruption or fraud, you very rarely start with a smoking gun. You start with something that doesn't look right, and that triggers an investigation that either uncovers wrongdoing, or establishes that the point being raised was innocuous. But the investigation is important. Spergs on the internet can only catch glimpes of what may or may not be going on, people with actual authority need to go there and actually investigate.

We live in the age of weaponized autism, but that autism can only go so far when it comes to criminal cases. Official investigations are still needed to uncover the truth, and thankfully all the things that aren't quite adding up this election should give those investigations good starting points.

 

[Doctor of Autism]

Jeeze I never thought about that. Impeaching Biden. Yeah...that could be a thing although both Trump and Clinton have proven that impeachment alone means nothing. I honestly would hope Republicans don't even bother. It is infinitely more damning for them to demand investigations into this and put Pelosi and the rest of the cabal on the spot.

On a whole other note, I'm sure you will all disagree, but I think you consider this thought, that is, if Trump is either legally successful in his cases and/or the 4 recounts (yes folks that haven't been paying attention, we're up to 4) we're up for favor him and he is then declared the winner, he ought to resign. I'm quite serious about this. It is certainly clear the Left will not relent their contempt for Trump and his supporters whether Biden is declared the winner or not, and and there is no reason to believe most Republicans/conservatives will accept Biden as President.

Trump will have to deal with Nancy Pelosi for at least another 2 years. Clearly that will mean continued investigations against him, his family, and his supporters along with virtually nothing getting done in Congress for just those 2 years. The media (which I include social media) will continue spurning Trump as they've been doing for years. Antifa/BLM will raise their ugly heads again with renewed ferocity. In short, it will just be another miserable slog for at least 2 more years if not 4. Why not bow out after if he can secure a victory for himself and Pence? It would still be one last FU to the Left, and he could manage to heal some of the rifts in the country if he did so.

Please if Trump is somehow going to win his cases, do you think Trump of all people will do that? It won’t heal any rifts and just prove to them that he stole the election if he did win with his legal warfare.

The president of the United States that will have an inauguration in January no matter who it is will not heal the country. I do think the country can be healed but it won’t be done for many years

 

[Salubrious]

I triggered my TDS, Obama loving friend by saying that Trump received more votes than Obama and increased his share of the minority vote.

1)All increases are due to the turnout in general. It’s like when two athletes both break a record, but one still beat it by more. It’s the turnout. Which is good no matter how you look at it. So saying Trump had more than Obama...okay, more people voted now than then.
2) Trump won Florida....yeah...he was supposed to (also the same state centered in the 2000 election controversy but thats for another time) ......
3) a) he has the worst approval rate in history (like he really does)
b) see 1.
4) so what. Why does that matter. You ever hear of a team that led a game in time of possession, total yards, and turnover ratio and still lose? Kind of the same thing. One doesn’t mean automatic win.
5) You didn’t have one thing to say about any of the logical arguments i made. You only argued your own while i answered yours.
6) Republicans crushed dems in the house and senate votes. So republicans are voting. But not all Republicans are voting for him. And the party has been distancing themselves from him for the past two years.
7) he lost Michigan because he talked shit about Detroit.
He lost Georgia because they went to work on voter suppression (which trump was trying to do as well depleting the post office, and now the mails late and he’s screaming. That was his plan all along).
He lost Arizona because he talked shit about McCain.
8.) he won Ohio, Florida. There’s 48 other states. Whats your point?


Absolutely nothing usual about a Republican gaining minority share, winning Ohio and Florida, and losing the election. Trump is the worst president in history you see.

 

[verissimus]

He's a fighter at heart.

I respect that, but my god...at least 2 if not 4 more years of this level of partisanship? Even he has to have his limits.

 

[axfaxf]

That's the point he's been ignoring.

When you're talking about corruption or fraud, you very rarely start with a smoking gun. You start with something that doesn't look right, and that triggers an investigation that either uncovers wrongdoing, or establishes that the point being raised was innocuous. But the investigation is important. Spergs on the internet can only catch glimpes of what may or may not be going on, people with actual authority need to go there and actually investigate.

We live in the age of weaponized autism, but that autism can only go so far when it comes to criminal cases. Official investigations are still needed to uncover the truth, and thankfully all the things that aren't quite adding up this election should give those investigations good starting points.

i find it pretty interesting, that Benfords Law applies to every state in the election. except the contested ones

 

[Gehenna]

That's the point he's been ignoring.

When you're talking about corruption or fraud, you very rarely start with a smoking gun. You start with something that doesn't look right, and that triggers an investigation that either uncovers wrongdoing, or establishes that the point being raised was innocuous. But the investigation is important. Spergs on the internet can only catch glimpes of what may or may not be going on, people with actual authority need to go there and actually investigate.

We live in the age of weaponized autism, but that autism can only go so far when it comes to criminal cases. Official investigations are still needed to uncover the truth, and thankfully all the things that aren't quite adding up this election should give those investigations good starting points.

This is what I want, an investigation. If somehow there is completely legit answers to the very skeptical bullshit... I'll take them. It'll be a bitter pill, but at least it would be real.

Please if Trump is somehow going to win his cases, do you think Trump of all people will do that? It won’t heal any rifts and just prove to them that he stole the election if he did win with his legal warfare.

The president of the United States that will have an inauguration in January no matter who it is will heal the country. I do think the country can be healed but it won’t be done for many years

Reminder, this is the same man who lost a shitposting fight over twitter... so he responded by bombing a man's balls off.

 

[GuntPunt]

Please if Trump is somehow going to win his cases, do you think Trump of all people will do that? It won’t heal any rifts and just prove to them that he stole the election if he did win with his legal warfare.

The president of the United States that will have an inauguration in January no matter who it is will heal the country. I do think the country can be healed but it won’t be done for many years

Country is not getting healed any time soon. If Trump's legal-fu wins, they will claim he used the courts to steal it. If Biden gets in, 70 million+ people will think he stole it. Whoever the winner is illegitimate already.

 

[Techpriest]

Yo, I'm always down for Cubas Libres. I can even bring lemons. I don't mind the hardcore MAGApedes, we can laugh together for this and other reasons, like delusional leftists.

Yeah people forget the real lefties are mad as hell about all of this. Biden winning essentially puts them out of control of the Democratic Party for another decade at least. We’re seeing a pivot right from the dem party.

 

[Kane Lives]

Yeah people forget the real lefties are mad as hell about all of this. Biden winning essentially puts them out of control of the Democratic Party for another decade at least. We’re seeing a pivot right from the dem party.

So long they keep voting blue no matter what, their votes will always be taken for granted.

Old story as true as time.