General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Un Platano]

Last I checked Null hates anime and everything anime adjacent.

You must not remember the Japanese Goblin incident.

 

[tiredchuba]

Seeing some people on her talk about trying to become vtubers and honestly, just go for it. You can get it going for free (or close to it) and at that point it's basically just streaming. Just know that you likely won't see any real money for a long time if ever. The successful western vtubers are successful because it's an incestuous group. For example one debuted recently by the name of covfefe-chan or something and all she does it just "DJ" youtuber videos but people are throwing money at her...because she's friends with nyanners and melody and the like. Just know that the western vtuber community is a cesspool that doesn't understand the appeal of vtubers, there's even a meme/trend on twitter right now that people are posting their model alongside their selfies.

 

[REGENDarySumanai]

Seeing some people on her talk about trying to become vtubers and honestly, just go for it. You can get it going for free (or close to it) and at that point it's basically just streaming. Just know that you likely won't see any real money for a long time if ever. The successful western vtubers are successful because it's an incestuous group. For example one debuted recently by the name of covfefe-chan or something and all she does it just "DJ" youtuber videos but people are throwing money at her...because she's friends with nyanners and melody and the like. Just know that the western vtuber community is a cesspool that doesn't understand the appeal of vtubers, there's even a meme/trend on twitter right now that people are posting their model alongside their selfies.

What is the point of being a VTuber if you post your model alongside your own selfie? Leave it to a group of retards to miss the main point of something.

 

[Mister O.]

What is the point of being a VTuber if you post your model alongside your own selfie? Leave it to a group of retards to miss the main point of something.

Was literally just thinking the same thing after seeing all that today. I follow most of them just to see what they're up to even though I don't actually like any of them. But, yeah, I agree, the whole mystique of being a Vtuber is...never showing your face. This tells me they're just in it for the fad and have no interest in doing it "properly," if you'd consider the Holo/Niji way of doing things 'proper,' which I would.

Good thing about it is that we all got to see what Domo's annoying ass looks like, since you know he had to do it too for clout-chasing purposes, as that's his whole reason for existing. Besides being not-white, he looks about how I expected.

 

[t(h)rash]

can someone honestly explain me what is the appeal of watching vtubers, i don't really understand

 

[Justtocheck]

can someone honestly explain me what is the appeal of watching vtubers, i don't really understand

Escapism from horrendous mentally exhausting situations. The aesthetic experience of seeing anime girls talking live and maybe with you. Following a narrative of creator, while at the same time enjoying a certain distance from their real self- both because of character acting distance and because of the Virtual model. Many people don't enjoy having little distance with the creator. It leaves little room for fantasy and projection. (and that's why I think finding their dox in this case defeats the point of the media. You spoil yourself) That's would be my pics for some reasons.

 

[Govt. Shitposting Machine]

can someone honestly explain me what is the appeal of watching vtubers, i don't really understand

It's like watching a let's play or whatever other content you watch with a personality, only said personality is in the form of an anime girl/boy/creature. That's about it, really.

 

[tiredchuba]

Definitely the escapism for me and just the cute models. Thinking about it if anything happened to Hololive or something I'd probably follow whatever the girls went on to. I'd like to think the ENs would continue the disconnect to some degree even if they were streaming as themselves. I just don't want to think/hear about real life when I watch them.

 

[Cubanodun]

This tells me they're just in it for the fad

Domo also showed his face and he is SEA Elliot rodgers

 

[t(h)rash]

guess i comprehed, it doesn't really differs from other scripted (or even genuine) internet media content and it's mostly about like a way of escaping reality for fun, only difference is that it is an anime girl lol

Escapism from horrendous mentally exhausting situations. The aesthetic experience of seeing anime girls talking live and maybe with you. Following a narrative of creator, while at the same time enjoying a certain distance from their real self- both because of character acting distance and because of the Virtual model. Many people don't enjoy having little distance with the creator. It leaves little room for fantasy and projection. (and that's why I think finding their dox in this case defeats the point of the media. You spoil yourself) That's would be my pics for some reasons.

i usually like having little distance with the creator, makes he/she more human and grounded in reality, but maybe that can be a bad thing for other people ://

 

[negativlad]

can someone honestly explain me what is the appeal of watching vtubers, i don't really understand

The magic, and the mystery, of how fat our waifu's knockers really are.

Nah, just kidding. It's just streaming - ego + anime girls. That's why internet famous people getting 2d models sucks so bad.

 

[Justtocheck]

i usually like having little distance with the creator, makes he/she more human and grounded in reality, but maybe that can be a bad thing for other people ://

The worst thing you can discover about an idol is that they are human and "real". Hololive plays with showing you the "real" thing, but the step will never be done. You must be left with room for your own head to fill the gaps. If there's not space, there cannot be any love. That's why so many coulpes broke up during quarantine.

 

[t(h)rash]

The worst thing you can discover about an idol is that they are human and "real". Hololive plays with showing you the "real" thing, but the step will never be done. You must be left with room for your own head to fill the gaps. If there's not space, there cannot be any love. That's why so many coulpes broke up during quarantine.

don't really agree, it isn't like you actually know the content creators in real life (unlike couples, friends and etc), most times it's a parasocial relationship, besides i think that's kind of a pessimistic view on the situation

 

[Mister O.]

That comes down to individual philosophy. While 'agency' Vtubers won't ever show you their face of their own volition like the indie dipshits do constantly, I like going out and discovering who they are IRL, I get more invested in them that way. Obviously that's not an overly-common viewpoint though, and I definitely understand not wanting to know.

 

[negativlad]

i usually like having little distance with the creator, makes he/she more human and grounded in reality, but maybe that can be a bad thing for other people ://

I empathize with the desperate simps of famous streamers losing their minds when they discover like "pokimane has a boyfriend? But I've dontated thousands of dollars to her!" as mentally ill as that is. Famous people are still going to be people, and building them up like that in some super-parasocial relationship is doomed to fail because you don't really know them and they don't know you at all. Vtubers cease to exist once the stream is over because anime is not (yet) real. It's a character being played by some girl you'll never know in Japan or Brazil or whatever. Simping for an anime girl probably isn't that much better in the grand scheme of things, but at least you're not getting desperately attached to a real person that will 100% disappoint you.

 

[tiredchuba]

That comes down to individual philosophy. While 'agency' Vtubers won't ever show you their face of their own volition like the indie dipshits do constantly, I like going out and discovering who they are IRL, I get more invested in them that way. Obviously that's not an overly-common viewpoint though, and I definitely understand not wanting to know.

Personally I dug into the ENs personality to try to understand why/how they got selected, not saying that negatively just curious.

 

[Rezza]

Domo also showed his face and he is SEA Elliot rodgers

Now I'm curious to see the pic

can someone honestly explain me what is the appeal of watching vtubers, i don't really understand

Just anime girls doing funny and stupid shit. It's just like streamers, really, but with vtubers, the anime avatar actually helped both the audience and the streamers alike.

See, streamers also played characters, that's undebatable. But, because we see real people there on the screen, the separation of reality and the character they're playing are bound to be twisted since we're seeing real people there. And no matter how they played it, their irl self and the characters they played will always be in conflict, even offstream.

Vtubers by playing behind an avatar, has an additional layer of protection and separation. Sure, their real life will eventually bleed into their characters like what we see on the holo girls. But the avatar they used will always be there to remind us and the streamers that everything we see here is nothing but a "dream", anime characters are not real after all. But until the stream ended, they are

 

[Dang Woodchucks!]

Seeing some people on her talk about trying to become vtubers and honestly, just go for it. You can get it going for free (or close to it) and at that point it's basically just streaming. Just know that you likely won't see any real money for a long time if ever. The successful western vtubers are successful because it's an incestuous group. For example one debuted recently by the name of covfefe-chan or something and all she does it just "DJ" youtuber videos but people are throwing money at her...because she's friends with nyanners and melody and the like. Just know that the western vtuber community is a cesspool that doesn't understand the appeal of vtubers, there's even a meme/trend on twitter right now that people are posting their model alongside their selfies.

I guess that's where my standards (if you can call them that?) come in, sort of. If I do it, it's pretty much going to be for fun, or as a side gig. I'm sure as hell not cozying up to any of these rats, fuck that. I'd just want to have a corner of the internet away from stupid bullshit. I'd pretty much have the rules (i.e. no politics, don't mention other streamers, don't be "that guy", etc.) on the background and roll the dice. I'm not expecting to be able to buy a house in three weeks.

 

[t(h)rash]

Now I'm curious to see the pic

Just anime girls doing funny and stupid shit. It's just like streamers, really, but with vtubers, the anime avatar actually helped both the audience and the streamers alike.

See, streamers also played characters, that's undebatable. But, because we see real people there on the screen, the separation of reality and the character they're playing are bound to be twisted since we're seeing real people there. And no matter how they played it, their irl self and the characters they played will always be in conflict, even offstream.

Vtubers by playing behind an avatar, has an additional layer of protection and separation. Sure, their real life will eventually bleed into their characters like what we see on the holo girls. But the avatar they used will always be there to remind us and the streamers that everything we see here is nothing but a "dream", anime characters are not real after all. But until the stream ended, they are

damn that last part, almost poetic in a way wtf

 

[Gravemind]

I guess that's where my standards (if you can call them that?) come in, sort of. If I do it, it's pretty much going to be for fun, or as a side gig. I'm sure as hell not cozying up to any of these rats, fuck that. I'd just want to have a corner of the internet away from stupid bullshit. I'd pretty much have the rules (i.e. no politics, don't mention other streamers, don't be "that guy", etc.) on the background and roll the dice. I'm not expecting to be able to buy a house in three weeks.

Funny you should mention that, because I was in the process of typing a longer post explaining something to that effect to SALTE earlier in the day after his last post, but I kind of gave up on it because the thought was running a little too long and I couldn't think of how to condense it down without also citing the failings of those who've made YouTubing/streaming/possibly vtubing at this rate a full-time career for the long-term.

But, basically, yes, if anyone's going to get into this game, regardless of the form taken in doing so, you should never make it your sole and dedicated career. Because if you do something that's meant to serve as a medium for entertainment, fun, and escapism as your "job", naturally, sooner or later, it's going to stop being "fun", because then you'll make your financial support dependent on appeasing an audience and forcing yourself to have to play things and be entertaining on a regular basis, instead of wanting to do so of your volition. I'm sure somebody out there might have found a trick to doing so in order to make that kind of lifestyle sustainable from a mental health standpoint, but I've yet to see a long-term example of just such a person.