2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

[iRON-mAn]

Realistic issues with each of the six conservative justices:

Roberts: He's a liberal in disguise, he'll vote against.

So the other five:
Barrett: There is a legal case for her to recuse, its not strong but this would also be her first decision on the supreme court. There will be a -lot- of pressure on her to recuse, and I am not discounting the chance they'll go after her kids.

Gorsuch: After Roberts, the second most common to break from the conservatives. He's a massive proponent of Natural law, and his breaks always follow it, so he should be absolutely livid here. BUT he is not a guarantee, more of an 80%.

Kavanaugh & Alito: These two share a spot because both have skin in the game, unlikely to break but Kavanaugh is still untested and Alito's judicial philosophy could conflict on the fringes.

Thomas: Lol no, he's not breaking. Leaving aside the chance for revenge, he is staunchly conservative and his judicial philosophy would hate this.



Summary, the two justices to look at are Gorsuch and Barrett, with both Kavanaugh and Alito having some minor chance of breaking off. Minor though is not non-existent.

Again, with Barrett, nothing in her hearing leads me to believe she'll recuse herself, and they went after her kids then too. Most notably she's the appointment that Trump made closest to the election when he knew that mail in ballots might be an issue. She said that she didn't make any promises or guarantees and Trump said at a later point that he never asked her about it, that they just talked about whether she wanted the job. It seems like an intentional act on Trumps part, and something he was likely advised towards, not to be seen to be influencing Barrett so that this wouldn't be an issue. If it's an problem with recusing herself because she has an axe to grind against the democrats, then Thomas would have to recuse himself too. But she also repeated the fact that judges aren't republican or democrat, they're arbitrators of the law, as the reason that they wear black robes. Honestly at this point I'm more certain of Barrett than I am of Kavanaugh or Alito.

I don't necessarily disagree with the rest, but I agree with @There'll be another time 's point that this case is too important to the supremacy of the Supreme Court for most of the judges to think about breaking.

 

[Random Internet Person]

When it comes to running the clock, Dems might not want that, Florida threatened to say fuck it and appoint their own electors if the issue in 2000 was not resolved on time, and all but one of the states here have majority Republican legislatures.

Except have those Republicans bought what Trump has sold?

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

Except have those Republicans bought what Trump has sold?

The Wisconsin and Michigan state assemblies are ordering investigations, and iirc the Pennsylvania one said that if this doesn't get resolved, they'll be forced to appoint electors. It's not a guarantee, but it seems like they're taking the fraud claims seriously at the very least.

 

[Tomboy Respecter]

It’s a mix of worrying ACB will recuse herself,

Why the fuck would she recuse herself? She's on the court atm so she'll be there for the full proceedings, and she doesn't have some vested monetary interest in PA in any meaningful sense.

I very much doubt that any GOP state legislature will overrule the vote count and pledge their Electoral College delegates to Trump after his court challenges fail.

Even if they could get away with that (could they?), that would just be an insane thing to do.

Okay. So would letting people that committed the greatest electoral fraud in American history get away with it, destroying your voter base and making your party unelectable for 20+ years because they will use the same tactics to you and get your seat . You realize that that's why a good deal of GOP critters are worried about this shit, not necessarily Trump.

There'd be riots of unprecedented proportion, and the rioters would kind of have a point.

They've been rioting for 6 months non-stop at one point. Why would they have a point? If there's so much fraud in an election on one side, then it's practically your obligation to punish that party for basically usurping the will of the people and basically commiting treason in one sense or another.

I think some people are just so pessimistic that they don't see basic reason. It's like the opposite of unbridled optimism.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Pima County, Tucson.

https://twitter.com/garrett_archer/status/1326278802150879233?s=21

https://archive.vn/EmIHd

 

[Slimy Time]

No they don't. The CCP made a lot of effort to absolutely crush the actual philosophy and beliefs of the ancient Chinese. The CCP is the nation equivalent of wearing someone elses face.

This, the CCP had the 4 olds that they told everyone to discard throughout the cultural revolution - Ideas, Culture, Habits and Customs. Street names were changed, people took up communist slogans as family names. Architecture, classical literature, paintings, temples were destroyed. They had the Red August campaign where they slaughtered students and teachers. Statistically, when you look at a basic, core Chinese concept like filial piety in CCP ruled China now, it's down. Modern kids/generation do not show or have "filial piety" towards their parents. We have the raising of "little emperors" resulting from China's former one child policy, raising children who were beyond spoilt shits who have zero loyalty or filial piety.

Yet when you look at Chinese communities that a) are formed outside of China (primarily in SEA) and b) were formed prior to the Cultural revolution, those ideals are still very much part of their cultural identity. I have Chinese relatives in SEA who arrived and settled before the CCP took over and culturally some of their attitudes and practices are far more culturally pre CCP Chinese than mainlanders. All the traditional practices or dances or whatever cultural shit from Mainland feels so fucking forced.

 

[deeplyhigh]

The left thinks this is demoralizing but we have a sense of humor.




I am also convinced they are all legally retarded. Biden can speak in full sentences?!

 

[Reisen Storm]

Pima County, Tucson.

https://twitter.com/garrett_archer/status/1326278802150879233?s=21

https://archive.vn/EmIHd

How likely is Trump to flip AZ?

 

[MrJokerRager]

All of these were just a few days ago, not recent. I doubt Trump will stop due to this.

Trump will never stop since he does have a habit of doing lawsuits anyway. However to Cocaine Mitch to back him for now, maybe there is something of value that the turtle saw. Also Republicans have been getting angry for years about stolen elections and now the Democrats trying to clearly do it on the federal executive level just made them snap.

 

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Yeah, I think I said it in another thread, but the Democrats were more or less expecting a normal republican turnout and not this Nightmare scenario. They cut their losses in Ohio and Florida, Florida especially after the Cubans clinch it for Trump.

In 2016, they didn't realize they needed to rig anything, so they didn't. Trump stomped them into the ground and they were completely unprepared. Hell, Clinton didn't even have a concession speech ready.

I bet Biden / Harris didn't, either, but for a completely different reason.

In 2020, they knew they had to rig shit, but because the polls were so fucked they didn't know how badly they needed to. Thus, like you mentioned, Ohio and Florida they just tossed aside because fuck, no way to solve that. But PA they had set up bullshit early on, so PA was going to be their ace in the sleeve. GA too, with the buck toothed sheboon's little loophole she snuck into the election rules there.

The Red Wave that hit election night I really do think caused them to freak out and local affinity groups went off the reservation. I don't think they had 160,000 ballots ready to go for Biden. But I imagine in the ~6 hours or so between them stopping the count and suddenly finding those votes, there was almost definitely an affinity group or two doing their best to fill them out. A group of 5-10 maybe 20 people, antifa/blm true believer types who genuinely think Trump is a fascist, spreading ballots out so you can just barely see the dot next to Biden, ink pen ink pen ink pen swap the pile out for another, go go go. Could you do a few hundred an hour? A few thousand each person? Maybe. Probably. But not if you had to do downballot, too.

But that's just one of several blatant election fraud operations they were running. Dominion software and the glitch that always helps Biden, up to and including hooking the machines up to the net and sending mysterious unapproved secret updates to the machines. Dead voters in numbers that are just absurd -- 50,000+ at last count and growing. Maidengate. People voting at their summer home tax shelters in NV. Accidentally giving people sharpees that destroy their ballots. Tricking thousands and thousands of Righty voters into a provisional ballot that has a time limit to verify before it is discarded -- and not telling them.

Either they organized this shit at a national level, or various affinity groups all independently decided they'd try and "help" "save" America from the "fascists." It's Marxist indoctrinated domestic terror affinity groups, so the scary thing is it could be either one.

In both years the polling firms fucked them. In 2016 they had no idea what was coming and they were fucked before they could do anything. In 2020 they seemed to be using polls as a weaponized demoralization technique against Trump supporters, or the "shy Trump supporter" thing was even more a thing in 2020 than 2016. Expect Nate Pyrite to be quietly disinvited from all the cool kids parties after this year.

 

[Random Internet Person]

When you remove Orange Man, you can do whatever the fuck you want.

https://twitter.com/phl43/status/1326522134819184644?s=21

https://archive.vn/J1eCF

https://thehill.com/homenews/525326-harriss-husband-leaving-law-firm-for-role-in-biden-administration

https://archive.vn/TpbIU

https://thenationalpulse.com/politics/harris-husband-ccp/

https://archive.vn/lRL5Z

 

[FAQnews Correspondent]

How likely is Trump to flip AZ?

Nobody knows. People are speculating these ballot drops are done strategically by precinct, using party affiliation to predict, so that they can plan what the vote totals will be.

 

[MrJokerRager]

But pompeo backtracking was pretty dumb. Too good to be true.

He still didn't acknowledge Biden to be president elect, which is the main line of attack for liberals and said it on Fox News, which these days, no one cares about compared to an official press conference where many more people are watching. Also unless he definitively knows that Trump will get 4 more years guaranteed, it sounded confident but also smug as he will look foolish if Biden somehow rigs his way in.

 

[Random Internet Person]

Trump will never stop since he does have a habit of doing lawsuits anyway. However to Cocaine Mitch to back him for now, maybe there is something of value that the turtle saw. Also Republicans have been getting angry for years about stolen elections and now the Democrats trying to clearly do it on the federal executive level just made them snap.

It’s called “Georgia potentially taking away his majority”. And the whole thing about AOC making lists, someone else making a Trump Accountability Project website, and Schumer saying “first we take Georgia, then we take America!”.

 

[Smarty Pants]

The left thinks this is demoralizing but we have a sense of humor.

@Hollywood Hulk Hogan is a million times better than these retards.

 

[Prester John]

How likely is Trump to flip AZ?

I think Trump is down about 13k ballots with about 60k remaining. Some of those are provisionals (some of which will be thrown out). Trump is going to need at least 61% of the remaining ballots, probably more. It could happen, but I think the odds favor Biden.

Every ballot drop closes the gap, but there just aren't that many ballots remaining. It looks like Trump will fall just short.

 

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It’s called “Georgia potentially taking away his majority”. And the whole thing about AOC making lists, someone else making a Trump Accountability Project website, and Schumer saying “first we take Georgia, then we take America!”.

That's the obvious take, but it's not impossible that Trump's team knows something we don't, and shared details with the Turtle.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I read that he lost 10 lawsuits already/they were already thrown out. Plus he hasnt come up with proof yet in PA

I keep hearing this too from different people I know IRL and it looks like the MSM is running with this narrative, but I think someone else pointed out these were from before Monday when the federal suits began.

Republicans need to spam the courts with lawsuits on all the many different types of election fuckery that went on. Some will fail, some will succeed but not significantly alter the result and then you've got things like this that completely invalidate it if they win.



A friend of a friend had a sign on one of the right-wing marches in the UK that said 'Gerard Batten for Prime Minister. Tommy Robinson for Home Secretary' and someone asked him if he was serious about it and he said 'Yes. Because if Tommy gets in he'll go completely ham on them'

Now you might respond. "Gustav. your 'friend of a friend' sounds like a raving lunatic" and to be honest he kind of is. However, the principle in this case seems sound. If you want to fix a corrupt system appointing a victim of that system to do is the way to go.



He doesn't appear in photos. He can't even see himself in mirrors.



Yup. I don't think it's particularly optimistic to consider this outcome though. The media will say it's a DRUMPF COUP and BLM and AntiFa will riot 24/7 outside the state legislature if this passes. Another precedent we've got is that when the Democrats get pushed into a corner they use terror groups to try to filibuster the process. After the civil war, it was the KKK, now it is BLM and AntiFa. The Republicans used the Insurrection Act and Federal troops to crush the KKK and they will need to do the same to BLM and AntiFa. And you can imagine how the media will portray that. There is a significant optics problem with the population who haven't been told any history, don't know the law and everything they know about politics comes from the lügenpresse who will report '99.99999% of the public oppose the coup'

I know what the Republican endgame is and I know what the Democrat endgame is. I'm actually pretty pessimistic that public opinion will be with the Republicans in this. Even if it is, the press will be telling everyone it isn't.

Still given the situation I see no alternative other than giving up and accepting the Democrats steal all future elections.



On Gorka's show they mused about how Pence had gone on holiday and said that 'this isn't the time for anyone to go on holiday'. Maybe he's going to stay out of reach of the Democrats and their media and terrorist allies for a bit secure in the knowledge he can swoop in and refuse to certify and force a contingent election.

I do think there are so many ways this Democrat coup can fail and that is a cause for optimism. It's worrying that the whole thing is basically a window for the Democrats terrorist allies to riot and their media allies to lie and gaslight though.



I've been wondering about that too. After 2016 when the media kept going on about 'Hilary won the popular vote' someone found that significant numbers of non-citizens vote

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...the-november-election/?utm_term=.950c538f32cc
https://archive.vn/wip/9hcUg



And CA passed a law decriminalizing noncitizens who vote

https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml?bill_id=201520160AB1461



I.e. it doesn't legalize illegals voting but it does decriminalize it in the sense they can't be prosecuted. Presumably, California Democrats told noncitizens it's 'fine' if they vote. And then if they do vote, they can't be prosecuted and the state can just say it was a clerical error.

If we do get a fuckton of rioting and Antifa/BLM going even more apeshit than they did after George Floyd in this hypothetical scenario, then Trump will just go full Insurrection Act since he has nothing to lose at this point and has fired all the Pentagon upper echelons that were part of the old Bush/Obama camp and would get in the way of such an act.

The media will deem him a fascist and try to rile up the public but there won't be much else they can do if their attack dogs are being gunned down by federal troops or vanned by federal authorities where neither the NLG and ACLU or sympathetic Soros DA's can save them.

Anything beyond media sperging would leave them liable and nobody wants to get busted for colluding with armed insurrectionists.

A 6/3 Constitutionalist leaning SCOTUS (that's very concerned with appearing legitimate and not stirring the waters too much).

The "Clarence Thomas taking revenge on Biden" memes may be funny, but that's not how it works in reality.
SCOTUS won't steal the election for Trump.
Nor will they choose to cause a constitutional crisis based merely on scattered evidence of minor voter fraud or Democrat rule-breaking here and there.

The only way for Trump's lawsuits to yield any success, is if his team is somehow able to produce massive, shocking evidence exposing the whole Democrat voter fraud machine in those swing states.
So shocking that SCOTUS will have to act.
And let's face it, Trump's team won't be able to do that.
They're grasping at straws instead, setting up hotlines for tips from the general public like ambulance-chasing lawyers.

The lawsuits are mostly for show (so that Republicans can say they put up a fight).
And that's fine; contrary to the media's screeching, there's no need to formally concede the election before the Electoral College has named the winner.

But let's face it, the Electoral College will name Biden the winner.
Let's get ready for that.

I get you're doom shitposting but I disagree for now.

At this point, it's impossible to tell who's really going to get it by January and we're back to the 50/50 shot until we get a SCOTUS ruling on Pennsylvania.

Pennsylvania seems to be the most flippant and the DNC seems to gloat the most because they're so used to winning but openly defying a SCOTUS order and flaunting this behavior afterwards while the otherwise usually cowardly GOP is backing Trump (even if only for optics) is a bad idea.

If the SCOTUS is concerned about legitimacy, then the crucial state of Pennsylvania is the one place where they can most easily rule in Trump's favor and still look fairly legitimate by comparison.

Plus there's the state legislatures. If they go to the state-level electors, then it goes to Trump because the GOP controls the state legislatures in all those key states save for Nevada (which was the one that was the least likely to flip anyway) and the state GOP politicians are far more sincere in their support of Trump than the federal ones.



On an entirely unrelated note, what's going to happen if Biden dies before December 14? He's in poor health and they're doing everything they can to keep him alive and coherent but if he has another stroke or a really massive heart attack because of all the stimulants he's on, who knows what could happen?

There are contingencies in place so Kamala can get sworn in with an appointed VP (hint: It's not going to be AOC) and I'll assume they'll follow that and keep fighting this.

But if the DNC's smart in this scenario, Biden dying from his myriad medical conditions can give them the cover to concede this election and get a very chaotic and largely unprecedented case dropped while also get some more genuine sympathy optics from the masses, and batten down the hatches while they plan for 2022 and have the ability to fine tune their fraud apparatuses while still having the Bad Orange Man to use as a rallying point.

 

[captkrisma]

That's the obvious take, but it's not impossible that Trump's team knows something we don't, and shared details with the Turtle.

This might have been what lit the fire under Mitch's ass. He's somewhat indifferent to Trump winning or losing, but fuck with his majority seat...well...

 

[GuntPunt]

How likely is Trump to flip AZ?

Pima County is essentially the Arizona version of Detroit, Philly, Atlanta, ect. They are holding out until Maricopa or others drop to see if they need more.