US Instances of Voter Fraud (Megathread?) - Probably a good idea to have a thread on this given how often it's discussed and will continue to be discussed even after November.

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Conceding that the Republicans committed election fraud in this particular precinct doesn't amount to much - if it happened - and of course weird aberrations happen. And yes, I did highlight a particualr precinct which is one example, but it isn't an aberratin.

A very small amount of precincts have a # of ballots cast for Trump anywhere near the population census - in fact, only two, including the one you've highlighted (the other one involves a precinct where the census says the population was two, making me wonder what the hell's going on there). The map is riddled with precincts showing Democrat votes near the census - 22 of them, in fact. Yes yes censuses are imperfect, bla bla. But that many voting beyond the census, with an 11:1 disproportion in favour of Democrat over-voting precincts, and many of the over-voting precincts being in close proximity? HMMM. And those are just where the Biden votes alone exceed the census.
There's an easier answer here, perhaps not 100% of the country had forms of fraud? If we are going to get to the bottom of what happened, being autistically lazer-focused on every last inch of the country to try and explain abnormalities is only going to turn you into an easily debunked and ignored source of information.

These people expect >100% accuracy and any fault at any level gives them an out to squeeze themselves from beneath the thumb of truth.

On the flip-side they'll expect you to believe <1% of anything they say and take it as proven fact, and at any point if you entertain the premise they will move in for the next premise, it's rhetorical "en passant" maneuver that wallops naive conservatives every single damned time, and you need to stop falling for it.
 
People think a man named Dr.Coomer was involved in election fraud. Indeed, he is a Dominion strategist and is an out and proud Trump hating antifa. Whether or not you like Drumph, this is a damn funny coincidence. Happy no nut November everyone!

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Wait so you're going with, 'repubs may have committed fraud, but dems did more!' Oh dear.

The fact is, we're looking at a map of Philadelphia county, which is a Dem stronghold. Even though in 2016 PA went to Trump, Philly was 82%+ Dem. In 2012, it was 85%+ Dem. In 2008, it was 83%+ Dem. 2004, 80%+ Dem. 2000, 80%+. My point is that regardless of which way the presidency goes or who wins the state, Philadelphia always leans heavily Dem. It's hardly a surprise to find the map "riddled with precincts showing Democrat votes near the census" estimates, as you said.

I'm frankly shocked that we could even find 3 precincts where Trump won and had numbers exceeding the census estimates in such a Dem stronghold, considering there were only ~128k votes for him in total. If we instead looked at a county that leaned heavily the other way, you'd see the same pattern in reverse, with far more precincts exceeding census estimates for Trump, simply because they'll be more votes for him in total. Just for a quick sanity check, I looked at Mobile Alabama, where Trump won a modest 55.3% of the vote and 100,605 votes, Biden won 78,754

What's going on here is confirmation bias. You're only looking at (Dem) areas to confirm your foregone conclusion and not looking at (Repub) areas that could disprove it. You cannot base your view that this pattern proves Dems committed voter fraud while dismissing counterpoints of the exact same pattern as Repubs only committing negligible amounts or as simply aberrations based on looking only at an area that consistently overwhelmingly votes Dem. Quite clearly, when you have far more votes in total, it's more likely that, when distributed amongst the precincts, it'll exceed census population estimates. As the guy who created the map admitted, trying to extrapolate census data back to wards and precincts is guesswork estimates - it's not factual information, and not a good indicator of fraud.

This isn't an area riddled with precincts with votes for Biden 'near the census', this is 'votes for Biden in excess of the census'. Additionally, rather than saying 'Well, if we looked at a Republican area we'd find many precincts with votes for Trump above the census!' as a broad assertion you could actually find data for a Republican area from this election showing that. It's possible but it's not in evidence.

Philadelphia has a fishy history with this stuff. In 2012, in 27 wards Obama received a total of 19,605 votes, while Romney received zero.

And I'm still wondering if you really think there's nothing peculiar in a precinct going from 255 votes for the Dem candidate in 2016 to 739, with a Rep increase of only 112 to 165.
 
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So I think election fraud happened. To what extent, I don't know. I'm not American so I don't know all of the details, but I've seen enough anomalies to make me skeptical at least.

Assuming enough fraud happened that it lost Trump the election, what are the chances of it actually going anywhere? I feel like if corruption runs deep enough to allow fraud of that caliber, the trials could easily end up being 'mock trials' that will rule in favor of one side regardless of evidence. We are already seeing all these 'RINOs' ditching Trump, how many of the people that could determine the elections will do the same?
 
So I think election fraud happened. To what extent, I don't know. I'm not American so I don't know all of the details, but I've seen enough anomalies to make me skeptical at least.

Assuming enough fraud happened that it lost Trump the election, what are the chances of it actually going anywhere? I feel like if corruption runs deep enough to allow fraud of that caliber, the trials could easily end up being 'mock trials' that will rule in favor of one side regardless of evidence. We are already seeing all these 'RINOs' ditching Trump, how many of the people that could determine the elections will do the same?
Honestly, unless a glitch can be found in Dominion - since that would demand widespread re-evaluations of results - I wouldn't expect it to change the outcome. Trump will get some votes thrown out here and there, and might flip a state or even two, but most courts are hesitant to interfere in this kind of thing absent extremely compelling evidence, and without a systemic issue being found Trump would have to win a number of lawsuits. (I say 'most courts' because we're all familiar with activist judges - but activists by their nature tend to be Dem-leaning.) My thinking is that the best hope for Trump is the hand recount in Georgia turning up major irregularities.
 
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These are early executive actions Biden wants to push through. If he gets even a quarter of these through America as we know it is done. I'm sorry, but we're not heading into an era of perpetual current year. We are heading into the dawn of a fake Utopia where we will own nothing and have no power. We will live like Bugmen, existing in a system that will crush us like the insects we are at the very first chance it gets. I want to be wrong, but everything I've said will happen in my doomsperging is coming true—right down to Republicans losing the senate majority. Once that happens, any hope of a lame-duck Biden is gone. It's over.
Well in other news some guy where I live lost everything.
Job. Wife. Bussiness. The works.

This bad turn of events happened as a result of some tax dispute with the local council.

Instead of going all postal he decided to pick up a hobby. Started an ant farm.

Got to be known for it too. Did school tours. Helped at the local zoo. Stuff like that. Said he forgave what the city did to him

Turned out he was dropping termites and carpenter ants in abandoned buildings. The critters would embed themselves in their new home then spread to the neighbors. This jack ass ended up ruining entire neighborhoods.

Now the entire city is facing an epidemic of these pests. Not everyone has the money to hire pest control. Especially the city. Its been having budget issues since corona hit. So now the town is being slowly destroyed.

Guess the Fucker figured out how to get revenge after all.
 
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Here's a quick reminder that the people claiming this election was won fair and square were crying about election tampering in 2016.

But allegations have surfaced of Russian hackers attempting to access US voter records, of trying to sabotage the physical ballot and of unleashing its troll army -- Internet bloggers paid by the Kremlin to spread false information online -- in support of Republican nominee Donald Trump.
https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/12/politics/russia-hack-us-election/index.html
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The report contains the first ever public US government claim that Russian hackers compromised a county's network in the leadup to the 2016 election, with an attack on an unnamed Florida county.
According to the report, "the FBI believes that this operation enabled the GRU to gain access to the network of at least one Florida county government."
https://www.cnn.com/2019/04/18/politics/russian-hacking-mueller-report/index.html
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Well in other news some guy where I live lost everything.
Job. Wife. Bussiness. The works.

This bad turn of events happened as a result of some tax dispute with the local council.

Instead of going all postal he decided to pick up a hobby. Started an ant farm.

Got to be known for it too. Did school tours. Helped at the local zoo. Stuff like that. Said he forgave what the city did to him

Turned out he was dropping termites and carpenter ants in abandoned buildings. The critters would embed themselves in their new home then spread to the neighbors. This jack ass ended up ruining entire neighborhoods.

Now the entire city is facing an epidemic of these pests. Not everyone has the money to hire pest control. Especially the city. Its been having budget issues since corona hit. So now the town is being slowly destroyed.

Guess the Fucker figured out how to get revenge after all.
That is fucking awesome. I'm not even mad.
 
Yeah he got involved with the ant community. Made friends. Got some queens. It was end game after that.

Once he got queens he was able to make as many of the fuckers he wanted.

Asshole.
Obviously the reality of the situation is awful, but it's such a cartoonish supervillain plot that I can't help but laugh.
 
Well in other news some guy where I live lost everything.
Job. Wife. Bussiness. The works.

This bad turn of events happened as a result of some tax dispute with the local council.

Instead of going all postal he decided to pick up a hobby. Started an ant farm.

Got to be known for it too. Did school tours. Helped at the local zoo. Stuff like that. Said he forgave what the city did to him

Turned out he was dropping termites and carpenter ants in abandoned buildings. The critters would embed themselves in their new home then spread to the neighbors. This jack ass ended up ruining entire neighborhoods.

Now the entire city is facing an epidemic of these pests. Not everyone has the money to hire pest control. Especially the city. Its been having budget issues since corona hit. So now the town is being slowly destroyed.

Guess the Fucker figured out how to get revenge after all.
Let's be honest, would we be any different than him if we were put in that situation?
 
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