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[Safir]

Jacqueline Charlotte Dufresnoy - Moderately famous in france for havin a sex change. worked at a nice club called 'The Carousel' under the name "Coccinelle".
what was in the HRT back then niggas???

Self-selection.

Would it morally incorrect to have the process illegalized and/or banned completely until the safety and complications are addressed?

Unless cosmetic surgery such as which women have is banned, no, it's unfair to ban one type of self-mutilation and permit others.

Should we do more research into reassignment and see if there's a more safer and more concrete procedure to provide to people who make this choice?

No. Trooning out should have the same restrictions as permanent sterilization methods and should not get any taxpayer money. (No such restrictions should apply to treating health consequences of trooning out, but insurers should be allowed to "discriminate" as they do with e.g. people who practice extreme sports.)

Legal sex change should be banned other than to correct an actual medical or clerical error. All research should be left to the private butchers.

 

[Kujo Jotaro]

Yes, that's what I meant.

I was asking for the thread's opinion. My personal opinion is yes and no because there's a distinct possibility that someone going through a dysphoric episode is probably also going through a phase and the reassignment surgery currently is irreversible which is probably why suicide rates are so 50/50 right now because of regret. So yes in the sense that it's irreversible and there's a trend that shows that transgenderism might either be a phase or a complete mental disorder. However, no, in the sense that is it fair to restrict what someone should do with their body? If someone wants and is making the choice to transition, should they have the freedom to do so without the government interfering? Is it possible to perform more complex procedures to change someone's gender into something more accurate? That remains a mystery and, according to science, it's impossible to change a chromosomal makeup which is the key behind gender development. So I guess I'm conflicted right now.

Setting aside the suicide rate, reassignment surgery literally does nothing for a person other than mutilate their genitals. Functionally they gain nothing, and in most cases they lose basic functionalities. I don't see how anyone who isn't literally deranged can look at the results of any srs surgery and say they'd be pleased with them. The doctors who perform this shit are probably all sociopaths or troons themselves, I don't see how a normal human being could convince themselves they're doing these people any good otherwise.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

I swear to God FtMs are the least threatening people on the planet. Even the manlets.

I harvested some great bits from r askgaybros yesterday, I never thought I would be delighted to see men telling women to fuck the fuck off but here we are. Will post them shortly.

Yeah lol for all their female souls they never seem to understand how lesbian dating is just female sexual behavior amplified by 2. That's literally where the U-Haul meme comes from.

Yep. Women immediately set up home together, men ‘cottage’ in public toilets and stick their dicks through glory holes.

And utterly wreck your body. Fun "trivia": Male to Female have an increased risk for blood clotting... higher than natal women. Also this risk increases with subsequent years of taking HRT estrogen.
At least it is now being acknowledged: https://www.pcori.org/evidence-updates/estrogen-use-risk-for-blood-clots-strokes-among-transgender-women#:~:text=this Evidence Update-,Findings,several years after starting estrogen.

Bonus candid Pic from that website (just brilliant):
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Just watch the Doc " The Trans train", they tell a Swedish HSTS and he was stunned as his doctor never told during FU appointments after the publication of this study. Really on the ball of Transgender Healthcare there.

Good news from Sweden: https://genderreport.ca/the-swedish-u-turn-on-gender-transitioning/

(I mentioned it in the Gender Quacks thread yesterday https://kiwifarms.net/threads/srs-and-grs-surgeons-and-associated-horrors.76786/page-23#post-7761451 )

A quick question for this thread, so as it stands right now, transgenderism surgery through HRT and gender reassignment is posing a multitude of health complications to the point of being a total hazard for some people. Would it morally incorrect to have the process illegalized and/or banned completely until the safety and complications are addressed? Should we do more research into reassignment and see if there's a more safer and more concrete procedure to provide to people who make this choice?

Questions are being raised. There is a wave of female detransitioners on the horizon and I think we will see somewhat of a return to a Harry Benjamin style ‘gatekeeper’ model where comorbid conditions have to be ruled out first. Or at least, I think this will happen in countries with a socialised system. People will still transition, of course, but they will go abroad to less ethical doctors (eg Susie Green of Mermaids took her son to the US for puberty blockers because the U.K. didn’t offer that back then).

I definitely draw the line at children as well and as for the starving part, no, but it comes down to “what can you realistically do?” If it’s someone you don’t know. Maybe I’m a sociopath for thinking that way, but if it was someone I did know I would most definitely intervene.

But what’s your opinion on people who are satisfied with the transition and are happier afterwards? Do you believe there’s more going on behind their head then what’s being lead on? There are some people who have transitioned and are happy with the results and do go on to live relatively decent albeit flawed lives with caveats. What are your thoughts on them?

Lots of older transsexuals (as in transitioned ages ago, not the old AGPs who start titty skittles in their 60s) are actually fairly sad humans. They’ve never really fitted in and even if they have a happy relationship they never have the children/grandchildren that provide much of our emotional life in middle and old age. Some of them forget they transitioned due to dementia and live nightmare lives where everyday they wake up to the distress of missing penis and care home workers are obliged to call them by their legal lady name, even though the person themselves has mentally reverted to their biological sex.

The best place to discuss this kind of stuff is probably the gender doctors thread. Someone posted their yesterday about a cancerous neovag that killed it’s owner - there is no way to test for/examine a surface cancer that has been erroneously tucked inside a body. They couldn’t even use the ultrasound probe that is used for gynae stuff because neovages close up on themselves and the probe wouldn’t fit.

so even if a person is satisfied with their own transition, it still doesn’t mean it was ethical in the long term.

Leanne Mills had a successful transition, by all objective measures. He very bravely spoke out publicly in order to warn the current crop of very young transitioners.

https://www.nottinghampost.com/news/nottingham-news/im-still-man-says-transsexual-2375238

(I actually hesitated over calling Leanne ‘he’ because I really do respect this human and don’t want to imply otherwise. However, for the sake of clarity of written communication and in pushback at woke language policing and the creep of newspeak, I chose the pronoun that describes Leanne’s sex. If Leanne should ever come across this, I want it to be clear that while I do indeed enjoy laughing at terrible troons, I also have sympathy for vulnerable people who were sold a lie and respect for those who are trying to expose those lies, sometimes at considerable personal cost, eg Miranda Yardley).

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

Indeed, I've known quite a few female fetishists. The thing about them is that unlike male fetishists, they're not overly exhibitionist about it - there's no aggressive drive to involve other people. It all mostly stays fantasy and largely takes the form of writing erotica/fanfic. Whether it's fe/male socialization differences or innate, women are largely shy about revealing their perversions.
Well, at least they were until troonism gave all of them a socially accepted outlet.

I would say that the fic *is* the drive to involve other people...consensually. In fact, beyond consensually, all the way to “they actually have to initiate and sustain the involvement all by themselves.”

There are almost no females whose enjoyment of sex could endure the knowledge that their partner finds them repulsive. That there is absolutely no attraction or desire there whatsoever. But the male use of prostitutes and my knowledge that men on the whole are not in fact 100% autistic retards indicates to me that there are plenty of men whose enjoyment of sex is not negatively impacted at all by the knowledge that their partner finds them repulsive and that there is absolutely no attraction or desire there whatsoever. In fact, a non-trivial % of males seem to actively enjoy that sort of thing. Whether that’s natural or induced insensitivity...well.

This is not, I believe, because women are innately kinder and more sensitive etc.

Spoiler: Effortpost

I believe it is because there is no reason in nature that the other party’s desire for you needs to be taken into consideration. I don’t think even the most intelligent and social animals do, though bonobos and such do seem to have a concept of preventing bigger and older bonobos from hurting younger ones. But by and large a drive to reproduce does not care about the feelings of the other party.

So I believe this is simply a case where males have not had that socialized out of them like women have. Women are socialized to eroticise - above all else - being *desired*. So you can see how even a hint of a lack of desire would throw the whole thing off. That is not to say there aren’t plenty of undesirable women deluding themselves, of course there are. But this is why females will never be buyers of sex. A prostitute exhibits a provable lack of desire, because she would not be doing it without the money. End of. And I do NOT believe as I said that men are such retards that they don’t know that. So being desired by the sex object has to be non-essential. Nice to have perhaps, but not required.

When I look at MTFs, I see all this internet and porn induced obsession with being *desired*. You look at them pre-trooning and sure most are heinous but some are attractive, and not all the latter are homosexual. Femaleness seems to embody desirability to them. Therefore to be female is to be desired, and thus to be desired, one must be female. If the MTF’s sexual response patterns have been triggered somehow to highly eroticize being desired, too much porn plus too much internet in general plus the declining role of fathers being available to model manhood to them, then perhaps his wires cross in such a way that makes him think “I want to be wanted thus I must be a woman, because women are desirable. To be happy I must be desired and thus I must be a woman.”

But some men are desirable too, so why wouldn’t they instead strive to be more desirable men? MTFs all seem to be obsessed with being pursued. There isn’t a cultural narrative available that provides examples of female pursuit of males being anything but either a joke or creepy as fuck. So perhaps these thwarted narcs think hey I’ll become a woman, and because women are desired, that will mean that lesbians will want me and pursue me. But of course they do not, because they’re lesbians but also because the troon has it wrong. Women are not pursued by men because they are women. Women are pursued by men because men are men. This is why we see homosexual males getting pursued by other homosexual males. The nature of any pursuit between actual females is simply very infrequently going to look anything at all like male pursuit of females. Or of males, in fact. Because the drive is different. The key with male pursuit of females and why it is culturally visible and privileged above all else is that there we have *nature* at work. Males acting on the instinct to reproduce, and also the age old instinct to not care if the female doesn‘t want it...just modernized into wearing her down, or a friendlier interpretation, proving his interest is real by the pursuit.

I know this is long but you can see how the desire to be DESIRED in an undesirable heterosexual male, or the desire to be desired so much he is PURSUED in a heterosexual male who is desirable, just in a masculine way that therefore does not invite pursuit but rather sets the expectation that HE will pursue the female...I can see how porn can twist that into troonery. Exacerbate that with autism and there you have the male troon.

 

[ChaChaHeels:BlackOnes]

As opposed to what Blanchard says, horny women who do it for the fetish exist. - and this is an explanation for most of Tumblr content pre porn ban.

It’s a myth that Blanchard denies this. He has even coined a term to describe it ‘autohomoeroticism’.
He says it’s not quite the equivalent of autogynephilia - the women who do it aren’t turned on by the idea of being men or own masculinised bodies, they don’t stand in front of a mirror wearing a strap on beard and boxer shorts, furiously masturbating. The fetishy FtM troons are specifically turned on at the thought of participating in gay sex and living a gay male life style.
of course, the reality of gay sex isn’t quite what they idealised it to be - hook up culture is BRUTAL (‘no femmes, no fatties, no asians‘) and if you already have a wobbly enough sense of self you will cry over being misgendered, then you really aren’t going to cope well when you hear what a gay man thinks of your vagina.

r/askgaybros yesterday (most of the LGBT subs have been troon cucked, but askgaybros refuse to bend the knee)

The Question:

The typical responses:









Even the ‘yes’ responses are an enlightening insight into male sexuality:



Compare with what happened when the same person posted a similar question on r/transytalk






Gay man, Duncan, wrote an interesting medium article hypothesising on how come some gay men aren’t completely revolted by FtM bodies (he’s definitely in the ‘urgh, fuck no’ camp, personally):

https://medium.com/@duncanhenry78/sexuality-revisited-my-grand-unified-hypothesis-3ddc0c05798f

More about Autohomoerotic Gender Dysphoria here (article co authored by Blanchard and Bailey - you have to scroll quite far down for the relevant section)

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

by J. Michael Bailey, Ph.D and Ray Blanchard, Ph.D This is the second in a series of articles authored by Drs. Bailey and Blanchard; see here for their first piece. Many parents who are part of th…

4thwavenow.com

 

[bluegenius8585]

It’s a myth that Blanchard denies this. He has even coined a term to describe it ‘autohomoeroticism’.
He says it’s not quite the equivalent of autogynephilia - the women who do it aren’t turned on by the idea of being men or own masculinised bodies, they don’t stand in front of a mirror wearing a strap on beard and boxer shorts, furiously masturbating. The fetishy FtM troons are specifically turned on at the thought of participating in gay sex and living a gay male life style.
of course, the reality of gay sex isn’t quite what they idealised it to be - hook up culture is BRUTAL (‘no femmes, no fatties, no asians‘) and if you already have a wobbly enough sense of self you will cry over being misgendered, then you really aren’t going to cope well when you hear what a gay man thinks of your vagina.

r/askgaybros yesterday (most of the LGBT subs have been troon cucked, but askgaybros refuse to bend the knee)

The Question:
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The typical responses:

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Even the ‘yes’ responses are an enlightening insight into male sexuality:
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Compare with what happened when the same person posted a similar question on r/transytalk

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Gay man, Duncan, wrote an interesting medium article hypothesising on how come some gay men aren’t completely revolted by FtM bodies (he’s definitely in the ‘urgh, fuck no’ camp, personally):

https://medium.com/@duncanhenry78/sexuality-revisited-my-grand-unified-hypothesis-3ddc0c05798f

More about Autohomoerotic Gender Dysphoria here (article co authored by Blanchard and Bailey - you have to scroll quite far down for the relevant section)

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

by J. Michael Bailey, Ph.D and Ray Blanchard, Ph.D This is the second in a series of articles authored by Drs. Bailey and Blanchard; see here for their first piece. Many parents who are part of th…

4thwavenow.com

As a bisexual buy no I wouldn't either. I mean T- does something to the vagina and ends up making it dry and apparently weird and lumpy (according to reported effects of tester one) so I'll pass

 

[soulless guarantee]

FYI there is a thread in Deep Thoughts for general transgender discussion that might be more suitable for the longer discussions happening here: https://kiwifarms.net/threads/general-transgender-discussion-thread.63637/

 

[Stilgar of Troon]

It’s a myth that Blanchard denies this. He has even coined a term to describe it ‘autohomoeroticism’.
He says it’s not quite the equivalent of autogynephilia - the women who do it aren’t turned on by the idea of being men or own masculinised bodies, they don’t stand in front of a mirror wearing a strap on beard and boxer shorts, furiously masturbating. The fetishy FtM troons are specifically turned on at the thought of participating in gay sex and living a gay male life style.
of course, the reality of gay sex isn’t quite what they idealised it to be - hook up culture is BRUTAL (‘no femmes, no fatties, no asians‘) and if you already have a wobbly enough sense of self you will cry over being misgendered, then you really aren’t going to cope well when you hear what a gay man thinks of your vagina.

r/askgaybros yesterday (most of the LGBT subs have been troon cucked, but askgaybros refuse to bend the knee)

The Question:
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The typical responses:

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Even the ‘yes’ responses are an enlightening insight into male sexuality:
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Compare with what happened when the same person posted a similar question on r/transytalk

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Gay man, Duncan, wrote an interesting medium article hypothesising on how come some gay men aren’t completely revolted by FtM bodies (he’s definitely in the ‘urgh, fuck no’ camp, personally):

https://medium.com/@duncanhenry78/sexuality-revisited-my-grand-unified-hypothesis-3ddc0c05798f

More about Autohomoerotic Gender Dysphoria here (article co authored by Blanchard and Bailey - you have to scroll quite far down for the relevant section)

Gender dysphoria is not one thing

by J. Michael Bailey, Ph.D and Ray Blanchard, Ph.D This is the second in a series of articles authored by Drs. Bailey and Blanchard; see here for their first piece. Many parents who are part of th…

4thwavenow.com

Based gays - gaydens BTFO. Love it.

 

[Father Brown]

A quick question for this thread, so as it stands right now, transgenderism surgery through HRT and gender reassignment is posing a multitude of health complications to the point of being a total hazard for some people. Would it morally incorrect to have the process illegalized and/or banned completely until the safety and complications are addressed? Should we do more research into reassignment and see if there's a more safer and more concrete procedure to provide to people who make this choice?

It just shouldn't be offered or presented as a form of medical treatment. There is obviously insufficient evidence to justify any hormonal or surgical interventions and the only reason anyone half-pretends (many admit in a great many words that the evidentiary support is a little lacking) otherwise is because of massive activist/ideological capture of various medical bodies.

Trooning out is like getting a face tattoo or some other form of questionable body modification and should ideally be treated as such. Maybe some form of regulation would be reasonable to prohibit say the mentally incapable from being operated on but even then I think it would still be preferable for surgeons/hormone providers to self-regulate and just have some basic ethical standards like fixed waiting periods as well as not providing services to the mentally unstable. Ironically, tattooists are a pretty good model here, since most of them won't give face/neck tattoos to people who are obviously fucked in the head or who aren't extensively tattooed already.

IMO, it should only really be outright banned for minors since they cannot be said to give consent. As an aside "being mature for your age" or some such rubbish misses the main point of consent itself. Namely, it is tied primarily to the ability to assume responsibility for one's decisions. This is why you can only go fuck a child and be found innocent in court on the grounds that "she was mature for her age" in a pedo's imagination.

Spoiler: Consent sperging

This isn't an arcane point either, the inability to later feel as though you were responsible for your actions, that someone else 'modified' you, strikes me as the major source of trauma in this whole phenomenon. Just like how victims of child sexual abuse often only suffer years after the event when they develop an understanding of what happened to them, so too will the children who were given hormones or top surgery etc. when/if they come to view what was done to them under the guardianship of medical authorities as unjustifiable medical experimentation. All in the name of some fiction that you are everyone around you convinced you to believe. Most people can't own that as just a dumb thing you did if it happened when you were a minor.

Yet tragically, it's something that every one of this children will probably eventually have to face when no one can believe, even implicitly, in the notion of "trans-ness" as some Real/innate ontological state. This is true even if you are someone who takes well to hormones/surgery because legitimating beliefs are incredibly important; you need to be able to justify the why and the what you are both to yourself and others. People care an immense amount about this and the inability to do so is often very painful. You see this really clearly with AGPs, who are almost invariably aggrieved by any suggestion that their desires are in any way the consequence of an over-indulged fetish since they subconsciously intuit this as not a socially valid justification for their actions and pretenses. Hence, the obsessive effort by a lot of AGPs (see: TMWWBQ, Colin 'Katy' Montgomerie's burning hatred for 'Amy' Long Chu) to first attack and discredit any suggestion of either the existence of the phenomenon or its relevance to them. Followed by the attempts re-imagine themselves as having actually always been GNC or somehow having 'always known' which is supposed to then provide that much need social justification.

 

[Retrograde Mercury]

I would say that the fic *is* the drive to involve other people...consensually. In fact, beyond consensually, all the way to “they actually have to initiate and sustain the involvement all by themselves.”

There are almost no females whose enjoyment of sex could endure the knowledge that their partner finds them repulsive. That there is absolutely no attraction or desire there whatsoever. But the male use of prostitutes and my knowledge that men on the whole are not in fact 100% autistic retards indicates to me that there are plenty of men whose enjoyment of sex is not negatively impacted at all by the knowledge that their partner finds them repulsive and that there is absolutely no attraction or desire there whatsoever. In fact, a non-trivial % of males seem to actively enjoy that sort of thing. Whether that’s natural or induced insensitivity...well.

This is not, I believe, because women are innately kinder and more sensitive etc.

Spoiler: Effortpost

I believe it is because there is no reason in nature that the other party’s desire for you needs to be taken into consideration. I don’t think even the most intelligent and social animals do, though bonobos and such do seem to have a concept of preventing bigger and older bonobos from hurting younger ones. But by and large a drive to reproduce does not care about the feelings of the other party.

So I believe this is simply a case where males have not had that socialized out of them like women have. Women are socialized to eroticise - above all else - being *desired*. So you can see how even a hint of a lack of desire would throw the whole thing off. That is not to say there aren’t plenty of undesirable women deluding themselves, of course there are. But this is why females will never be buyers of sex. A prostitute exhibits a provable lack of desire, because she would not be doing it without the money. End of. And I do NOT believe as I said that men are such retards that they don’t know that. So being desired by the sex object has to be non-essential. Nice to have perhaps, but not required.

When I look at MTFs, I see all this internet and porn induced obsession with being *desired*. You look at them pre-trooning and sure most are heinous but some are attractive, and not all the latter are homosexual. Femaleness seems to embody desirability to them. Therefore to be female is to be desired, and thus to be desired, one must be female. If the MTF’s sexual response patterns have been triggered somehow to highly eroticize being desired, too much porn plus too much internet in general plus the declining role of fathers being available to model manhood to them, then perhaps his wires cross in such a way that makes him think “I want to be wanted thus I must be a woman, because women are desirable. To be happy I must be desired and thus I must be a woman.”

But some men are desirable too, so why wouldn’t they instead strive to be more desirable men? MTFs all seem to be obsessed with being pursued. There isn’t a cultural narrative available that provides examples of female pursuit of males being anything but either a joke or creepy as fuck. So perhaps these thwarted narcs think hey I’ll become a woman, and because women are desired, that will mean that lesbians will want me and pursue me. But of course they do not, because they’re lesbians but also because the troon has it wrong. Women are not pursued by men because they are women. Women are pursued by men because men are men. This is why we see homosexual males getting pursued by other homosexual males. The nature of any pursuit between actual females is simply very infrequently going to look anything at all like male pursuit of females. Or of males, in fact. Because the drive is different. The key with male pursuit of females and why it is culturally visible and privileged above all else is that there we have *nature* at work. Males acting on the instinct to reproduce, and also the age old instinct to not care if the female doesn‘t want it...just modernized into wearing her down, or a friendlier interpretation, proving his interest is real by the pursuit.

I know this is long but you can see how the desire to be DESIRED in an undesirable heterosexual male, or the desire to be desired so much he is PURSUED in a heterosexual male who is desirable, just in a masculine way that therefore does not invite pursuit but rather sets the expectation that HE will pursue the female...I can see how porn can twist that into troonery. Exacerbate that with autism and there you have the male troon.

I know of at least one case where a man killed a prostitute because she didn't hide her disgust but idk. (I can't for the love of god remember their names) lots of prostitutes say they have to pretend to be absolutely in love with whatever perverted shit their clients do.

 

[Crunchy Leaf]

I know of at least one case where a man killed a prostitute because she didn't hide her disgust but idk. (I can't for the love of god remember their names) lots of prostitutes say they have to pretend to be absolutely in love with whatever perverted shit their clients do.

Yeah, I was going to say, aren’t prostitutes expected to pretend to be into it? Men know deep down she doesn’t want them but she needs to act like she does. Women don’t buy sex in alleyways, sure, but there’s absolutely rich older ladies who enjoy having the pool boy fawn over them despite knowing he’s doing it to get a better tip.

I agree with the overall premise that MTFs want to be desired. It makes me wonder if this is part of what’s behind the aging military man trooning out. When he was young and fit he was desired by women and now he’s not.

 

[EmpGulcasa]

I desire troons to get off the internet.

 

[fetid_sewer_rat]

I desire troons to get off the internet.

*planet

 

[Xanax and Wine]

I desire troons to get off the internet.

But what are we gonna point and laugh at then?

 

[ComZet]

An amusing Twitter find

How DARE these lesbians reject a true and honest trans whamen? These dumb dykes should know that if they're hit on by a tranny it's their moral obligation to reciprocate, rejection is nothing but bigotry, comparable to the actions of Hitler.

Pic below is OP.

 

[BunchofMunch]

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"I am scared of getting invalidated on there but can you report transphobia on the app?"
Ah yes, there it is. We need to make sure to report gay guys for not being into vagina. The troon hugbox must be extended to all of society, lest someone's feewings get huwt.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

In some good news (and if this is the wrong place to post it, please do tell me and I'll correct it) this happened.

In short, FTM Freddy McConnell, a "man" who gave birth to a child (which I'll cop to, pregnancy is one of the most defining things of womanhood, the act of it and giving birth is inherently what women's bodies were designed for, so I genuinely question the validity of their - sorry, I can't use he for them - dysphoria) has lost his supreme Court case to be recognised as the "father" on his child's birth certificate.

Tho things of note from this:
1. The ruling of the Court mentioned the potential for taking mother and father off BCs and replacing them with "parent 1" and "parent 2" for causing offence to other people.

2. The Supreme Court in England and Wales (Scotland and NI have their own Court and Judicial systems which are separate entities in and of themselves) is *the* Court. It's rulings provide precedent for Case Law which all other Courts in the system must abide by, and these decisions supersede the rulings of the "lower" Courts. Also, there's effectively nowhere else to take this really, and no way for them to challenge it. They could, I guess try the European Court of Human Rights but the UK is no longer a part of the EU and is supposed to formally leave for good in 45 days so I don't think they'll have much luck there.


It is nice to see troons getting slapped down in the legal system though. I mean JFC, you transitioned, still managed to have a healthy kid, and all your paperwork has been updated to reflect your amended status. Why drag the legal documentation of your child into it too? Smacks of them being extremely fragile in their masculinity if they were so gagging for the supposed validation this would have bought had they "won".


Edited to add, because I was wrong: This was a Court of Appeal ruling. It's where you appeal Supreme Court decisions. You *can* appeal SC rulings, at the Court of Appeal, they've done this, and they've upheld the original ruling. I hope they're bitterly upset and disappointed. None of my favourite troon hate reads have anything to say about it just yet, but I'll check on them later to see if the salt is flowing.



Further edit: Of COURSE he works for The Guardian. And they are very, very buttmad about it, jimmies are set to maximum rustle, feefee lasers on pewpewpew.

 

[Large]

A quick question for this thread, so as it stands right now, transgenderism surgery through HRT and gender reassignment is posing a multitude of health complications to the point of being a total hazard for some people. Would it morally incorrect to have the process illegalized and/or banned completely until the safety and complications are addressed? Should we do more research into reassignment and see if there's a more safer and more concrete procedure to provide to people who make this choice?

HRT should be banned because it was recently proven to have no benefit and is potentially harmful. Placebos should be sold instead.

 

[Unpaid Emotional Labourer]

Yeah, I was going to say, aren’t prostitutes expected to pretend to be into it? Men know deep down she doesn’t want them but she needs to act like she does. Women don’t buy sex in alleyways, sure, but there’s absolutely rich older ladies who enjoy having the pool boy fawn over them despite knowing he’s doing it to get a better tip.

I agree with the overall premise that MTFs want to be desired. It makes me wonder if this is part of what’s behind the aging military man trooning out. When he was young and fit he was desired by women and now he’s not.

I do think that some men are autistic and retarded enough to delude themselves re: strippers and hookers. But I would argue for the most part they do not. Just as many men actually enjoy the control and even sadism that accompanies knowing this woman does not want to do this but has to anyway.

I do not think there are rich women enjoying male sex workers they know don’t want them. Even rich older women. When women delude themselves it is not as boldly transactional. When women delude themselves it simply is never (by never I mean in numbers anywhere near enough to have any meaning and thus support an industry, which we know doesn’t exist because there is no market for it) as extreme as sex workers. When women delude themselves about male desire, it’s a hobosexual relationship. And MANY women delude themselves there. That’s your rich old lady scenario right there. It’s comparable to rich old men doing the same thing with females or males or both if they want.

In my life I have enjoyed about as much male attention as I have wanted and the type I wanted. I think this untroubled relationship I have with desirability is why I notice how fixated the modern world is with being wanted. I even think for FTMs this can be at play. Why would a hideous heterosexual girl or woman wish to turn themselves into a gay trans man? Could it be because the lack of desire straight males exhibit toward her is compared to perhaps some friendliness and pity from the gays which they can provide since for them it’s no more sexual than it is to other females, but the proto-TIF is retarded and autistic enough to make the same “men don’t want me but gay guys are sometimes nice to me so maybe I should just be a gay guy and then the gays will want me!” leap? Idk maybe so.

 

[Gay Communist Gun Club]

In some good news (and if this is the wrong place to post it, please do tell me and I'll correct it) this happened.

In short, FTM Freddy McConnell, a "man" who gave birth to a child (which I'll cop to, pregnancy is one of the most defining things of womanhood, the act of it and giving birth is inherently what women's bodies were designed for, so I genuinely question the validity of their - sorry, I can't use he for them - dysphoria) has lost his supreme Court case to be recognised as the "father" on his child's birth certificate.

Tho things of note from this:
1. The ruling of the Court mentioned the potential for taking mother and father off BCs and replacing them with "parent 1" and "parent 2" for causing offence to other people.

2. The Supreme Court in England and Wales (Scotland and NI have their own Court and Judicial systems which are separate entities in and of themselves) is *the* Court. It's rulings provide precedent for Case Law which all other Courts in the system must abide by, and these decisions supersede the rulings of the "lower" Courts. Also, there's effectively nowhere else to take this really, and no way for them to challenge it. They could, I guess try the European Court of Human Rights but the UK is no longer a part of the EU and is supposed to formally leave for good in 45 days so I don't think they'll have much luck there.


It is nice to see troons getting slapped down in the legal system though. I mean JFC, you transitioned, still managed to have a healthy kid, and all your paperwork has been updated to reflect your amended status. Why drag the legal documentation of your child into it too? Smacks of them being extremely fragile in their masculinity if they were so gagging for the supposed validation this would have bought had they "won".


Edited to add, because I was wrong: This was a Court of Appeal ruling. It's where you appeal Supreme Court decisions. You *can* appeal SC rulings, at the Court of Appeal, they've done this, and they've upheld the original ruling. I hope they're bitterly upset and disappointed. None of my favourite troon hate reads have anything to say about it just yet, but I'll check on them later to see if the salt is flowing.

Freddy made a documentary about the pregnancy so everyone knows they're a tranny as is. Who gets worked up over a fucking birth certificate? You maybe need it less than 10 times in your life, and mine sits in a drawer in my desk at home, not having been touched in years.

You don't get to assault the language and meaning of things because you're a minute part of an already minute population that got pregnant after hormones. The father is whoever donated sperm. "Fathering children" has a meaning socially and legally and there's no Troon exception.