The first time around was a conflict between two societies struggling dominate the destiny of a relatively young nation. It was a birthing pain. It was when america was forming.
Whats different now is its not a birthing pain. Its a state of disintegration. We are going back to the village state whether you like it or not.
You push one of the most fringe, autistic idealistic concepts I've ever seen and somehow think it's coming to fruition even though every ounce of logic states it isn't.
If it does? Enjoy your short lifespan, or your inevitable fate when some wandering looter overpowers you and puts a bullet in the half-a-fucking-brain you have - meanwhile, others will try to think of solutions that don't completely eradicate Human progress and reset us back to the fucking cave era simply because some selfish, pussy autist (i.e.
you) refuses to accept reality.
Because 1: I am not above considering that the horse I back might lose a war, 2: civil wars get exceptionally fucking messy, particularly since we are unlikely to get one as neat and orderly as our last one again, and 3: because I really don't want to end up killing my countrymen for the crime of being deceived. If they are their own nation, then they get to succeed (haha) or fail by their own merits as their own people, forging their own destiny, for good or ill.
It didn't work because the government refused to allow it, the exact same scenario that I expect to play out this time. I am not jumping on a train that was just presented to me, I have been thinking about this for a long time. Am I wishful? Fuck, yes. I want a world where the lefty cities swelter in their Communism for a few generations before they come crawling back to the rest of America after realizing how hard they fucked up, and I know I'm not going to get it. But even if separating only delays the inevitable it means that 1: they were given every chance to not turn this into a war, and 2: that at least it will be a proper international war and not the sheer monumental clusterfuck of a proper Rhodesia-style civil war we are currently primed for.
I wholeheartedly respect your aversion to conflict, it's equally as natural as the drive towards conflict is but relying on dystopian solutions to create effective environments? That's a bit fucking dumb - it's poisoning the well, intentionally, in an attempt to purify it, and it doesn't work. I respect it, but I do not support or agree with it.
A. That's bound to potentially happen in either case, lol - you accept the potentiality of defeat and continue pushing regardless because what the fuck is the alternative?
B. The civil war was neat and orderly? Motherfucker there were bushwhackers, convicts, etc. in whole fucking legions going around raping and rampaging across various townships in the Southern and Central U.S. - do you even know the list of tragedies and crimes that occurred OFF the battlefield, committed by extrajudicial paramilitary forces setup by both sides?
In regards to deception, do we not condemn those who have CHOSEN deception even when everything ELSE around them tells them they're being deceived? At that point, is it really deception or has it become their individual truth? You can't override this by throwing pillows inbetween us both and hoping the pillows keep us separated, it doesn't work that way - inevitably someone will fuck those pillows right the fuck up to get to the other side and the reality of what happens when they get there? 10x worse than it would've been in regulated civil strife - what you propose is letting the mess sit and fester until it finally explodes to a point of no return and the
resulting conflict is even worse and even larger than any conflict we could have now.
A war between two rogue states that claim legitimacy over one another and claim the same national identity isn't a 'proper international war', my fucking guy - do you call the war between Sudan and South Sudan a proper war?
No, it was called a fucking civil war despite the fact they're two separate state entities and are wholly autonomously independent from one another - you're not AVOIDING civil war here, all you're doing is delaying it and placing it on a MUCH larger stage.
Given every chance to not go to war, but still they do - what does that say about you? You were the one unwilling to fight even when it was directly planted in your fucking face, and all you did was scramble to find bandaids to put on the wounds making everyone angry - don't follow that fate, or you'll find that your enemies are crueler to you than they ever would be before; trust me, the type of degenerates we're dealing with now? Real fucking eager to find weakwilled Conservatives and right-wingers who are desperate to avoid conflict - how do you think they've found it so easy to rampage against certain areas? Passivity.