2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Because its the option that avoids a civil war. What I have observed over the last 12 years is that "Left" and "Right" have slowly ceased to be mere political ideologies, and become de facto ethnicities, complete with different ways of life, values, and morals, all of which are utterly incompatible with each other. For all the proselytizing about multiculturalism the Left does, they make one very large exception for the Right, because they know deep down that it will not work between us. We are two separate Peoples with two separate Wills, and that is something no government is equipped to handle. If we leave ourselves in this pressure cooker together for too long, it will explode one day, and the events we are seeing unfold this month should be all the proof anyone needs of that. We are out of alternatives, either we split the country and go our own ways, or we will start killing each other over it.



If there is one thing that the Right and Left agree on, it is that the Federal Government of the United States of America is unfit for purpose, but we are of radically different minds as to what we should do about it. The Right wishes to scrape off the accretion, burn the fat, and return to the ideal of the Constitution, while the Left wishes to burn the whole damned thing to the ground and try again with something else. And while I think that the Left is absolutely fucking wrong, it is their right to try, damn it, I just don't want them dragging me into their crazy plans, nor do they want me to pull them into mine. We are too far removed from each other to reconcile our differences, and unless we part ways, shit is going to get fucking ugly in this country.
What about religion? Ethnicity is inherent but you can convert religion, and all that fuckery used to convince people that the right is a tiny minority of reality-deniers only makes sense if they're trying to encourage conversion.
 
The problem with your scenario here is you'd be looking at the Partition of India 2.0. Anyone Democrat in a red state would be suspect and anyone red in a dem state would be suspect if not outright trying to seceed.

These "two nations" of yours assumes the blue and red on the maps are uniform, but they're not. Nearly every blue state is a tiny blob of a metro area living well apart from their republican backwoods counterparts. There was already half hearted attempts by West Virginia to pilfer counties off of Virginia due to Northam's retardation and numerous counties in California seemingly want fuck all to do with the coastal cities to the point there was another half hearted attempt to form a new state.

Nevada, a nominally "blue state" is actually just two counties.

Oregon is another, who's blue areas are handfull of counties too.

New York is another example, where it's pretty much just the five boroughs dragging the rest of the state down.

Your "blue nation" would basically be utterly unsustainable city-states.
I'm aware that there is no clean way to handle it. Any way you slice the country, somebody is getting shafted and heavily encouraged to relocate. I still consider that a better option than blood in the streets.

What about religion? Ethnicity is inherent but you can convert religion, and all that fuckery used to convince people that the right is a tiny minority of reality-deniers only makes sense if they're trying to encourage conversion.
Back when I was in high school, ethnicity was distinct from and not synonymous with race, closer to "culture" in meaning. Then again, it's been a while since I was in high school, so they may have changed the definition.
 
Because its the option that avoids a civil war. What I have observed over the last 12 years is that "Left" and "Right" have slowly ceased to be mere political ideologies, and become de facto ethnicities, complete with different ways of life, values, and morals, all of which are utterly incompatible with each other. For all the proselytizing about multiculturalism the Left does, they make one very large exception for the Right, because they know deep down that it will not work between us. We are two separate Peoples with two separate Wills, and that is something no government is equipped to handle. If we leave ourselves in this pressure cooker together for too long, it will explode one day, and the events we are seeing unfold this month should be all the proof anyone needs of that. We are out of alternatives, either we split the country and go our own ways, or we will start killing each other over it.
I agree with your characterization of the division, but your idea that there are only two outcomes is simplistic. It's far more likely the de facto civil war will continue, as it has for decades, and the administrative state will continue, as it has for centuries, both relatively unaffected by Presidential elections.
 
I agree with your characterization of the division, but your idea that there are only two outcomes is simplistic. It's far more likely the de facto civil war will continue, as it has for decades, and the administrative state will continue, as it has for centuries, both relatively unaffected by Presidential elections.
In which case, I will point once again to Sir John Glubb's The Fate of Empires. To put it bluntly, America has followed to the T the same pattern as every great nation, and is now reaching the part where they fall. I don't like it one bit, but I have seen no indication that America is going to break this pattern. The simple fact is that time is running out for America as we know her, and I have only two priorities for how that happens: minimize the bloodshed, and make sure that at least part of what comes out the other side still resembles the country my forefathers established.
 

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In which case, I will point once again to Sir John Glubb's The Fate of Empires. To put it bluntly, America has followed to the T the same pattern as every great nation, and is now reaching the part where they fall. I don't like it one bit, but I have seen no indication that America is going to break this pattern. The simple fact is that time is running out for America as we know her, and I have only two priorities for how that happens: minimize the bloodshed, and make sure that at least part of what comes out the other side still resembles the country my forefathers established.
In many metrics, it has already "fallen." And yet, still it stands. Many people are very obviously aware of how things are and are not deceived. They are willing to stand by what they believe. Why is a civil war necessarily less preferable to the previously-mentioned alternative - a coastal nation in eternal deadlock with the inland nation, which are surely somehow even more dysfunctional than our current state.
 
In which case, I will point once again to Sir John Glubb's The Fate of Empires. To put it bluntly, America has followed to the T the same pattern as every great nation, and is now reaching the part where they fall. I don't like it one bit, but I have seen no indication that America is going to break this pattern. The simple fact is that time is running out for America as we know her, and I have only two priorities for how that happens: minimize the bloodshed, and make sure that at least part of what comes out the other side still resembles the country my forefathers established.
You're an absolute mong if you genuinely believe that two states created from splitting off from each other due to diametric opposition and morals that weren't compatible would magically remain at peace and never, at any point, go to wholesale war with each other or desire reunification - this presumes that no figurehead that desires these things will ever develop; you're literally using a book that fantasizes about things based upon aspects of bullshit, lol, reality would fucking tell you this does not work.

Did splitting up the country work before? What you propose is not AVOIDING blood in the streets, it's DELAYING blood in the streets. How fucking naive do you have to be to base the future of a fucking nation off of a fictional, dystopian novel? Wait, that's not even just naive - that's fucking bonkers. Are you fucking bonkers? Pay attention to history - 'blood in the streets' between two causes inseparable by national identity but completely separated by moral identity is an inevitability and always has been; no, magical "separation solutions" don't solve the problem - I ask you again: did splitting up the country work before? Did segregation work at keeping people in peace with one another?

I don't fucking think so.
Hell, let's point ourselves towards other instances of nations dividing themselves up along geopolitical lines - has it ever gone fucking well? I'm not sure where this naive stupidity of "maybe if we just magically separate, all the conflict will disappear!" comes from other than a complete and absolute inability to accept the times as they are, and accept that conflict between peoples is inevitable.
 
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I know it’s already been posted, but I just want to say that I really hope Trump wins the election because tweets like these will age super badly if he doesn’t:
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Also, I want to see journalists cry over not getting Biden.

Trump has tweeted enough that hasn't aged well, and some that is just downright hypocritical. One should never confuse Trump aligning with the cause with Trump believing in the cause. Like pretty much everyone in politics, Trump is a self-serving narcissist and the little people only matter to him hypothetically (if at all). If in 2016 portraying himself a Leftist would have brought him to power then that is exactly what he would have done. The Right is a tool for Trump and Trump is a tool for the Right. It would be a mistake to get personally invested in the man.
 
Well I’m rested and recharged and ready for this week. So far my winner from all this has been Steven Crowder. He annoys the hell out of me but he’s used his platform to raise awareness of what’s happening and I respect the hell out of him for that. Plus, the comedy helps enormously with how shit reality is right now.

Honorary mention to Baris from People’s Pundit. I started listening to him after you guys mentioned him. Can’t follow most of what he says but love how he says it, he’s the autist I need in my life and I’m glad to have found him. These are exciting times, very stressful but I kind of don’t want it to end as the ride is such damn fun. Hang in there everyone, we got this.
 
Are they actually willing to listen? Because many will screech to their deathbed about Brognhold Blumpft.

They're not from the US so they don't really have much of a stake in either side but they do think that there's something sketchy going on.

Georgia has multiple levels of fraud. The usual fair, dominion, dead people, and odd single person marked ballots, apply. Additionally, there is a ballot harvesting operation snuck in by one Stacey Abrams.

The legislature, judiciary, and executive are all Republican.

The problem is that is also about half RINOs.

The persons most in charge of things like audits also has raging TDS. This has lead to things like claiming an audit is occurring, when its barely more than a recount. The Legislature has moved against this person, but its unknown what if anything they can do.

Perfect. Thank you very much.
 
I can’t imagine what manner of tonsured, finger-steepling, Prius-driving court eunuch would vote for a demented, low-energy, kiddie-fiddling fuck like Joe Biden, but now that their preferences are more obvious, I resent the fact that I, like many other tradies, have to wait on these dipshits hand and foot.

There’s a meme going around on /pol/ right now, showing that Red areas of the US contribute “only 29% to our GDP”. What they don’t tell you is that the other 71% consists of FIRE industry make-believe, paper-shuffling, usury, extortion, researching high-tech Apple-branded clit vibrators, finding ways to outsource more dirty industry to Southeast Asia, and asking the insufferable yuppies and drones who do aforementioned things if they’d like fries with that and a complimentary blowjob on the side.

What a joke.

Your posts are really growing on me.

I think a lot of the criticism came from who Bush's staff was; when your vice president shoots a man in the face and the man he shot apologizes for getting in the way of his bullets, you know you have something special there.

To be fair to Cheney that lawyer did look kind of bird-like.
 
Another day, another discussion with my bluepilled best friend. Today I've been called a tinfoil hat who believes Hillary is drinking children's blood in a pizzeria (the idea made me chuckle I admit). A few days ago he wished me I could educate myself and finally find the light of the truth (actual literal words).

Can we please have the evidence already? I'm starting to feel like a berniebro.
 
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Another day, another discussion with my bluepilled best friend. Today I've been called a tinfoil hat who believes Hillary is drinking children's blood in a pizzeria (the idea made me chuckle I admit). A few days ago he wished me I could educate myself and finally find the light of the truth.

Can we please have the evidence already? I'm starting to feel like a berniebro.
Tell him Biden's campaign director got arrested for election fraud.

 
In many metrics, it has already "fallen." And yet, still it stands. Many people are very obviously aware of how things are and are not deceived. They are willing to stand by what they believe. Why is a civil war necessarily less preferable to the previously-mentioned alternative - a coastal nation in eternal deadlock with the inland nation, which are surely somehow even more dysfunctional than our current state.
Because 1: I am not above considering that the horse I back might lose a war, 2: civil wars get exceptionally fucking messy, particularly since we are unlikely to get one as neat and orderly as our last one again, and 3: because I really don't want to end up killing my countrymen for the crime of being deceived. If they are their own nation, then they get to succeed (haha) or fail by their own merits as their own people, forging their own destiny, for good or ill.

You're an absolute mong if you genuinely believe that two states created from splitting off from each other due to diametric opposition and morals that weren't compatible would magically remain at peace and never, at any point, go to wholesale war with each other or desire reunification - this presumes that no figurehead that desires these things will ever develop; you're literally using a book that fantasizes about things based upon aspects of bullshit, lol, reality would fucking tell you this does not work.

Did splitting up the country work before? What you propose is not AVOIDING blood in the streets, it's DELAYING blood in the streets. How fucking naive do you have to be to base the future of a fucking nation off of a fictional, dystopian novel? Wait, that's not even just naive - that's fucking bonkers. Are you fucking bonkers? Pay attention to history - 'blood in the streets' between two causes inseparable by national identity but completely separated by moral identity is an inevitability and always has been; no, magical "separation solutions" don't solve the problem - I ask you again: did splitting up the country work before? Did segregation work at keeping people in peace with one another?

I don't fucking think so.
Hell, let's point ourselves towards other instances of nations dividing themselves up along geopolitical lines - has it ever gone fucking well? I'm not sure where this naive stupidity of "maybe if we just magically separate, all the conflict will disappear!" comes from other than a complete and absolute inability to accept the times as they are, and accept that conflict between peoples is inevitable.
It didn't work because the government refused to allow it, the exact same scenario that I expect to play out this time. I am not jumping on a train that was just presented to me, I have been thinking about this for a long time. Am I wishful? Fuck, yes. I want a world where the lefty cities swelter in their Communism for a few generations before they come crawling back to the rest of America after realizing how hard they fucked up, and I know I'm not going to get it. But even if separating only delays the inevitable it means that 1: they were given every chance to not turn this into a war, and 2: that at least it will be a proper international war and not the sheer monumental clusterfuck of a proper Rhodesia-style civil war we are currently primed for.
 
Because 1: I am not above considering that the horse I back might lose a war, 2: civil wars get exceptionally fucking messy, particularly since we are unlikely to get one as neat and orderly as our last one again, and 3: because I really don't want to end up killing my countrymen for the crime of being deceived. If they are their own nation, then they get to succeed (haha) or fail by their own merits as their own people, forging their own destiny, for good or ill.
Well I understand your point of view, and it may be wiser than mine, but I'm not sure. I respect your aversion to war certainly.
 
Another day, another discussion with my bluepilled best friend. Today I've been called a tinfoil hat who believes Hillary is drinking children's blood in a pizzeria (the idea made me chuckle I admit). A few days ago he wished me I could educate myself and finally find the light of the truth.

Can we please have the evidence already? I'm starting to feel like a berniebro.
Light of the truth? Is your friend a part of a fucking cult?
 
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