Haha I know that, but my point is that the words "male" and "female" themselves are arbitrary.
Any troon could just retort with "Okay, but why specifically the word 'male'?" They'd could just point out that technically it isn't called male and female in different cultures (like man and vrouw in Dutch) therefore it's arbitrary and socially constructed. They would just ask why the macrogamete is called "female" to begin with.
FYI I don't believe in that argument, it's obviously dumb as it doesn't actually argue why they're female, as much as it disagrees with the term itself.
Which is what I meant with egg-haver and sperm-producers, in the end, even if they disagree with the terms; what the terms reference is set in stone, due to the biological scientific reasoning you posted. We could change the terms, but they'd still be left out of whatever new terms we came up with.
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On a completely unrelated note, IDK if this is the right thread to post this, but wtf did IMDB (if that counts as social media, it has accounts with peoples names and stuff, i don't know if there's a better thread to post this) mean by this?
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And yes, it's actually real:
So, do you remember in 1984 how NewSpeak was a recurring theme? In fact, it was such a recurring theme that the epilogue strongly implies that Oceania ultimately collapses due to its inability to get people to adopt NewSpeak. I recently heard a fellow leftist deny that Oceania was really intended to be a socialist state (and that the "Socialism" in IngSoc was sort of like the "Socialism" in National Socialism) and that struck me as completely wrong, because as much as I loathe the right, as little respect as I have for rightwing authoritarians and fascists, they don't have the same interest in policing language. I should clarify, they still want to police thoughts and dissent, but they don't really care about language itself except as a reflection of thoughts. Leftists on the other hand like to police language as a way of policing thoughts, probably as a result of the academic roots of most leftwing movements leftists are more likely to appreciate the inherent power of language. Even when you do get a rightwing movement (like the alt-right) that appreciates the power of language they usually try to attack language rather than police it.
Basically, all of this is to say that there is a long-running theme in leftist thought of controlling language in order to control thoughts and this is indeed a specifically leftwing thing that TRAs have chosen to use. They think that if they can normalize calling trannies "trans women" or "trans men" they will consequently normalize the idea that they are real women or real men (instead of vice versa). Unfortunately, I think that they're kind of right, thought I don't think it will be completely successful because the reality they're trying to get people to reject is so obvious and concrete that you don't really need language to communicate it.
This image, for example. The wordy breakdown is hilarious and greatly appreciated, but it's really not necessary. You show this picture to anyone, sans commentary and they won't need you to explain to them what's going on here. Even if they are forced to say something nonsensical like "one woman not woman" it still makes perfect sense (despite it being inherently contradictory) because it's basically the verbal equivalent of waggling your eyebrows; you're really just saying "I know we're all thinking it".
I think the reasons behind this whole trans/gender identity push ar of course very complex. Big part of it is for sure getting rid of reality. I know it's a little edgy to say but this has reminded me of 1984 so many times. In the book there's a long section towards the end where the dude is getting 're-educated' into seeing four fingers as five. With a whole discussion along the lines of how, if someone says the sky is red, and everyone else also says the sky is red, then it really is red, or at least you cannot prove anymore that it is actually blue.
This whole BS around 'sex doesnt exist, biology doesnt exist, men/women can have any genitalia they want' is the same thing for me. Obviously, Trans women are NOT women, this is very clear to anyone who has eyes and a brain. But then why do I go on reddit threads of some ugly troon begging for validation and see a 97% upvote rate with only positive comments? One, because all negative comments get removed & the users permabanned, and two because everyone has agreed that it is now the cool thing to do to completely deny reality to yourself.
If you can make people believe and say that biology doesn't exist, that trans women can have periods, that people with a penis can be lesbians, then you can probably make them believe a whole other bunch of bullshit.
And while we're on the subject of 1984, remember a few months ago when woke Twitter was claiming that it's bigoted to refuse to say that "2 + 2 = 5"? These lunatics were unironically LARPing as O'Brien, they weren't torturing people to make them say that "2 + 2 = 5", but I have a feeling that that was only because they couldn't.
Now, I should say that it is technically possible to define "+" and "2" and "5" in such a way that 2 + 2 = 5, but it's also possible to define them in such a way that 2 + 2 equals anything. The language of math (like any language) is based on certain assumptions that can be broken, but only with good reason and if it's clearly communicated what the new assumption should be. We need these assumptions because without them anything can mean everything and the language becomes meaningless.
I'm assuming that most people here have never studied abstract algebra so I'll use an example from English, I am allowed to start using the word "light" as a synonym for "bad" and I can still communicate with other people. In fact, that sort of slang is very common, we have like a hundred different synonyms for "bad" as it is with a thousand different connotations. But if someone who has no reason to be familiar with this bit of slang hears me say, "traffic is really light" then suddenly my English has become less clear because for everyone else "light" traffic has one meaning and any misunderstanding is on me. It's not that "light" is inherently better or worse than "bad", but it has an understood meaning that I can't just unilaterally change and expect other people to ask you to personally define every word for them.
Of course no one remembers the trans suicide cluster in San Diego where several teens offed themselves. 3 of them attended the same trans youth support group.
Or how about the Georgia Tech troon who commited suicide by getting shot by the police and 2 of his gender clown friends later also joined the 41%?
Last September, a campus cop shot and killed a queer college student in Atlanta. By the end of 2017, several of the student's friends had been arrested; two were dead. What happened at Georgia Tech? The story of a tragic year, by @hallielieberman.
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The suit alleges that some hospital staff discriminated against Kyler by repeatedly referring to Kyler as female. Although Kyler’s mother stated for the record in the Post story that she is not holding the hospital directly responsible for her child’s death, she makes clear that she believes some staff at the hospital caused serious harm by referring to Kyler as a girl and with female pronouns. She stated that Kyler went into a “spiral” after the events at the hospital.
Can you imagine the (well-deserved) ridicule a real man would get if he became suicidal because he was misgendered? It reminds me of this one forum I used to post on, there was this weird guy who posted there for a bit and he was insanely insecure about his own sexuality. He would spend hours arguing with people who called him a "sissy" or a "bitch boi". I want to make it clear, these were not long autistic posts like I'm making here, it was him going "I'm not a bitch" or "You won't sissify me" to every single person posting "Suck my dick, bitchboi" which would end up going for hundreds of posts.
There was a troon on this forum (I know at least one other person on KF knows Alina) who would jump in and call him a "her". Now, I don't mind that he was misgendering this insecure little sissy, but the hypocrisy was stunning because this troon and his buddies were textbook TRAs who think that being misgendered is basically Naziism. They weren't even claiming that sissyboy was an egg, they just recognized that he deserved to be ridiculed and never stopped to think "how is this any more pathetic than my need for validation?" In fact, because he was not a particularly clever troon (and an incel at that), at one point he attempted to justify misgendering bitchboi by claiming that he was biologically female without realizing that that just made the parallels in their lives even more obvious.
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Yet more evidence that exposure to trannies makes you more transphobic (from the SRS thread).
