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[Yamma Damma]

Hmmmmmmm now this is sounding familiar. Very familiar.

• Reboot of beloved classic boasts its better than the original right off the bat
• More reliance on computers and koreans to animate than americans and paper
• Leaves out every original staff member (including the creator) outside of voice talent and brings on newcomers with nostalgia goggles and fanfictions
• Claims to have girl power by removing "sexy" female characters who were more than their bodies
• Removes other characters and their replacements don't fill the void but checks off boxes
• Relies on internet culture and secondhand information from people with narrow worldviews instead of getting ideas from all types so you never run out of material no matter how niche or silly
• Already saying "this show will piss off the right people" and "it's not made for you"

With so many similarities to recent reboots before it, and no news of any more being produced for now, there's only one thing I can say.

Spoiler: AND THAT IS...

 

[Scarlett Johansson]

I like the reboot tbh. The Bea Arthur fairy was just . The Golden Girls appeared in the original series funnily enough.

 

[OmnipotentStupidity]

This is like max soy.
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I mean, the nurse is gone, but that doesn't mean the reboot hasn't directly referenced the quote or the character. Hell, they had an entire bit that was a clever workaround for explaining where the rest of the characters from the reboot went.

Even Minerva appeared in that bit. And nobody really cared about Minerva. Not even the original team.

• More reliance on computers and koreans to animate than americans and paper

Weirdly enough it's the other way around. More American companies like Snipple Animation Studios and Titmouse have their fingerprints on this reboot, whereas the original showed employed a SHITTON of outsourced Korean work.

Here's Kate Rice she's the director:

Twitter cringe


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FUCK ME I knew that name sounded familiar the first time I saw it: she's got a horrible reputation in the cartoon community for being incredibly hypocritical about animation topics and insulting and being obnoxious to anyone who so much as talks to her to be a Q U E E N for her stans; that passive-aggressive bitch working on the Animaniacs reboot makes so much more sense now.

Which is fucked given that she was also one of John K's victims, but she's as of late had this really bad habit of trying to act as the voice of reason in a poisoned industry filled with ungrateful fans which is just...eugh. I feel like an asshole for saying that, ESPECIALLY given everything that happened, and given that when she's just focusing on her own animations: she's completely fine and in fact REALLY talented (you don't get work on projects like Animaniacs and Book of Life without some level of talent). It's when she tries to postulate and make hot takes that it becomes a problem.

But I guess that's just a problem with Twitter culture in general, so...eeeeh.

EDIT: And I just now realized this was already heavily talked about a page back. Eh whatever I'm keeping that part up. Though I will say even though I think Kate can be a bit of a prick sometimes, the irony of her directing a show John explicitly hated IS funny, but fuck no it's not part of a cartoon cult or Rice getting back at John.

@Peep Plops Were you high when you wrote that?

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Well...fuck this show.

 

[AnOminous]

With these reboots the studio knows it stands to make money off of nostalgia and maybe in their out of touch minds they think inserting certain things will make it super popular.

And apparently they don't grasp that people remember things. So if you bring something back that people remember, they also remember the people who created that shit in the first place, and we remember that you for whatever reason didn't bring back any of the people who made this shit great in the first place. And we are capable of understanding your disgusting motives.

And we think wow, you think we're fucking stupid don't you? And it is impossible to enjoy something from "creators" who stole something other people created and obviously consider us stupid. Fuck you, go away.

 

[DamageJoy]

This is like max soy.
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According to suits and creators, the US domestic market is more prude and sensitive than it was in the early 90s. You know, the time where Bart Simpson was considered edgy, offensive and schools banned wearing his merch.

Of course, who the hell even needed an Animaniacs remake in the first place?
I guess it will be instant forgotten like the Ducktales reboot/remake, which too was absolutely unnecessary.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

According to suits and creators, the US domestic market is more prude and sensitive than it was in the early 90s. You know, the time where Bart Simpson was considered edgy, offensive and schools banned wearing his merch.

Of course, who the hell even needed an Animaniacs remake in the first place?
I guess it will be instant forgotten like the Ducktales reboot/remake, which too was absolutely unnecessary.

The Ducktails reboot has actually been really good though. it’s like the one reboot that’s managed to do well.

 

[DamageJoy]

The Ducktails reboot has actually been really good though. it’s like the one reboot that’s managed to do well.

It was the best from the bunch, I agree. I would still prefer my nostalgia bait being more in the lines of:
Do something new with the old sensibilities.

If that makes any sense.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

It was the best from the bunch, I agree. I would still prefer my nostalgia bait being more in the lines of:
Do something new with the old sensibilities.

If that makes any sense.

Sure, and that’s fair. I do really like the reimagining of Darkwing Duck though. Glad it’s getting a show now.

 

[DamageJoy]

Sure, and that’s fair. I do really like the reimagining of Darkwing Duck though. Glad it’s getting a show now.

If they manage to make a new Gargoyles without messing it up, then I will certainly give them a spiritual high five.
Of course action cartoons are a rare breed.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

If they manage to make a new Gargoyles without messing it up, then I will certainly give them a spiritual high five.
Of course action cartoons are a rare breed.

You know they’d ruin Lexington if they did...

I kinda miss dumb 90’s action cartoons. They typically had awesome opening songs.

 

[Crescent Fresh]

Hmmmmmmm now this is sounding familiar. Very familiar.

• Reboot of beloved classic boasts its better than the original right off the bat
• More reliance on computers and koreans to animate than americans and paper
• Leaves out every original staff member (including the creator) outside of voice talent and brings on newcomers with nostalgia goggles and fanfictions
• Claims to have girl power by removing "sexy" female characters who were more than their bodies
• Removes other characters and their replacements don't fill the void but checks off boxes
• Relies on internet culture and secondhand information from people with narrow worldviews instead of getting ideas from all types so you never run out of material no matter how niche or silly
• Already saying "this show will piss off the right people" and "it's not made for you"

With so many similarities to recent reboots before it, and no news of any more being produced for now, there's only one thing I can say.

Spoiler: AND THAT IS...

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13 more episodes have already been confirmed to happen. It’ll probably make it to four seasons of 13 episodes each, just so that they can hit 52, whereupon it’ll be unceremoniously just... never renewed.

It’s the same exact thing that happened with both She-Ra and Thundercats. No one really liked them, but 52 is a bit of a “magic number” as far as these things go due to syndication and “content library” stuff, so shows both good and bad tend to reach it before stopping.

 

[DamageJoy]

You know they’d ruin Lexington if they did...

I kinda miss dumb 90’s action cartoons. They typically had awesome opening songs.

Yeah. Skeleton Warriors and stuff like that.

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

According to suits and creators, the US domestic market is more prude and sensitive than it was in the early 90s. You know, the time where Bart Simpson was considered edgy, offensive and schools banned wearing his merch.

Of course, who the hell even needed an Animaniacs remake in the first place?
I guess it will be instant forgotten like the Ducktales reboot/remake, which too was absolutely unnecessary.

But it kind of is. You've surely seen what's going on these days?

 

[Kulee Baba]

This is like max soy.
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I'd understand this politically correct argument that it's inappropriate for a children's show because let's be real "Hello Nurse" qualifies as cat calling. Cat Calling really isn't something that should be taught/encouraged to children.

But this reboot of the Animaniacs clearly isn't being aimed at Children. It's being produced for 25 and up adults who want nostalgia. It should have been kept because your target demo already knows quite well that you shouldn't just shout "Hello Nurse" to a piece of tail that walks by.

It shows how little faith our overcharged PC Culture is. I grew up watching Animaniacs and the original Warner Bros cartoons and I know not to cat call.

 

[DamageJoy]

But it kind of is. You've surely seen what's going on these days?

The taste makers maybe, but not the people themselves. If you look at kids now, their sense of humor is wild.
It's just soyboys and catladies who will never have children forcing their no fun policy on kids who would dab on them.

It's like their snarky humor is in everything and it corrodes narratives and jokes. I find many modern parodies more hateful than actual parodies.

 

[Moguro Fukuzou]

Well...fuck this show.
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Reading up on the drama off twitter, which is pissed at them for doing this, apparently this came out a couple of weeks after WB fired Depp again. I have no idea why they decided that this joke was okay to keep, even if it isn't there to poke fun at the allegations (think it's actually a joke at the "Johnny Johnny, Yes papa" song) it's in horrible taste. Actually saw some people defending it saying that it's okay because the show makes fun of everybody, but I don't really see how it's funny to go after domestic abuse survivors.

 

[Super-Chevy454]

You know they’d ruin Lexington if they did...

I kinda miss dumb 90’s action cartoons. They typically had awesome opening songs.

While we're at it, let's mention the 90's Spider-man theme.

 

[Kulee Baba]

While we're at it, let's mention the 90's Spider-man theme.

Marvel 90s Cartoons had such good intros that kids would just honestly ignore that the shows itself were rather lackluster especially compared to what Warner Bros was achieving with the Bruce Timm cartoons.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Cree Summer just broke the news that Elmyra will not be in the Tiny Toons reboot.

Evidently they're paring down the cast. I feel for her. I wonder who else is on the chopping block.

Good. That character was annoying as fuck and in almost every single episode.