General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Rezza]

I tell ya they just gathering a mix of cringe, drama queens, shit-tiers personalities is not quite gonna end up well. but if amazingly goes well according to their plan then mayyybe they atleast claim themselves as the 2nd english vtuber agency.

In all honesty, they actualy did a good strategy here. Instead of going the hard way of introducing a new batch of vtubers in an already saturated market of english vtubers, they gathered the most well-known english vtubers I might be wrong, I'm not that well versed about the indies) to carry the agency, while simultaneously and gradually introducing new vtubers.

That so, without good marketing and strategy, they will crash and burned. My question now though, are they going for the casual and newfags audience, with the higher chance of accepting non-"japanese" vtubers (though some of the reason are because of racial bias)? Or are they going to target the hardcore audience that Cover and Holo has?

 

[Takodachi]

In all honesty, they actualy did a good strategy here. Instead of going the hard way of introducing a new batch of vtubers in an already saturated market of english vtubers, they gathered the most well-known english vtubers I might be wrong, I'm not that well versed about the indies) to carry the agency, while simultaneously and gradually introducing new vtubers.

That so, without good marketing and strategy, they will crash and burned. My question now though, are they going for the casual and newfags audience, with the higher chance of accepting non-"japanese" vtubers (though some of the reason are because of racial bias)? Or are they going to target the hardcore audience that Cover and Holo has?

I believe the issue is that some of the 'talent' they gathered are more infamous than famous.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Pekora plans to show Kiara the server, build something with her, and ride the Haachama coaster.

She also flexes her better English.

 

[negativlad]

Not a fan of the girls playing the same game at the same time. Seeing Sakuna intro for the 6th time within a week gets really tiresome.

I think it was mentioned already, but it's part fad, part peer pressure, part licensing problems. Two weeks of rice game probably won't get as annoying as the constant, constant ARK streams of earlier this year. On the other hand, some of the girls are pretty much 100% focused on Apex, like Roboco and Towa and lately Matsuri. I guess it's just a niche ready to be filled.

Something interesting off of Reddit. Maybe this has already been posted since the actual event itself happened in February, but I think the reaction from mainland Chinese citizens is interesting nonetheless.

The response.

lol the Chinese are so fucking embarrassing. I know the Japanese do this sort of shit all the time, but they've always been more ok with it. Can you imagine if like, the US Army decided to hop on the Cool Kids train and decided to stream on Twitch or something? Ridiculous.

I don’t know how you guys find all this info about them. I saw one video of her on YT, and I know the video everyone posts about Pekora but that’s about it. Has being on KF not increased my dox game enough?

though, tbh, I never really get interested until I see people here talk about them. (Except Hoshikawa because Matsuri is so obsessed.)

Was it this video? I guess Matsuri got tired of being Matsuri for a second and decided to do some face-streaming.

 

[Takodachi]

Was it this video? I guess Matsuri got tired of being Matsuri for a second and decided to do some face-streaming.

She is a 6 at best, Coco is definitely better looking.

 

[Cubanodun]

Oh just great, the mad man noticed xir shark, well not directly but he did

 

[Mister O.]

I'm worried the Vshoujo thing will poison the well for the HoloEN Gen2.

Vshojo is going to try and be HoloEN Gen 2 (but not literally), I surmise.

I have too many thoughts about all this to write down so I'm just gonna leave it at "great, more organized cancer to poison the EN fanbases."

How long we got until Callie is extending olive branches out to hacks like Melody and Nyanners? Since she's "pals" with Gigguk, and Sydsnap is in this new group, they're only a couple degrees of separation apart. Food for thought.

 

[The One And Only SALTE]

Vshojo is going to try and be HoloEN Gen 2 (but not literally), I surmise.

I have too many thoughts about all this to write down so I'm just gonna leave it at "great, more organized cancer to poison the EN fanbases."

How long we got until Callie is extending olive branches out to hacks like Melody and Nyanners? Since she's "pals" with Gigguk, and Sydsnap is in this new group, they're only a couple degrees of separation apart. Food for thought.

I only really feel Calli interacting with them on the surface, maybe. She may be a bit naive but that's what she has her manager for.

 

[Cubanodun]

How long we got until Callie is extending olive branches out to hacks like Melody and Nyanners?

She already follow all of them on Twitter EXCEPT Melody, i suppose she was considered to haram for Cover

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

She already follow all of them on Twitter EXCEPT Melody, i suppose she was considered to haram to be considered by Cover

I think it’s because Coco mentioned she wanted to collab with Melody and Cover said no because “too lewd” or something. So maybe they can’t be too interactive with it.

 

[Sithis]

update: looks like the simp I mentioned earlier has been banned from Ironmouses community and streams too. So that's 3 major streamers which I have personally witnessed him dono >$20k over the last few months now saying NO REFUNDS. Times like this I'm glad I'm not a simp.

One is Apricot/Froot which I don't know much about at all, but she's very new, like "debuted a week ago" new. Someone else can tell you more about her.

Hime is Sydsnap aka Gigguk's fiancee. She had proposed that exact character concept a while ago when talking about the HoloEN auditions and made a joke audition tape, but it's literally the same character. This is backed up by the only people that Hime is following on Twitter are the creators of vshojo, the other vshojo girls, Garnt, and Syd's main account. As for what Sydsnap's main content is, from what I can tell it's a lot of bad shitposting and trying to be edgy with hentai reviews.

I've been around too long to actually hate anyone, but to explain why Nyanners is hated, it's basically because she was once a channer (basically their poster girl for loli shit) and then when she attempted to get into legitimate voice acting, threw them all under a bus and became "woke" for a hot minute. That ended up not working at all and then she went back to making her own content and became a vtuber while still mostly keeping her old personality but cleaned up slightly.

That explains a few things very well, thank you. I recognize Apricot from the post below by Potatohead now that I see the BSApricot title. She did some of the original HQ commissions for ProjektMelody and iirc has also done some work for the others since then, she seems to be fairly well received. I recognize Gigguk from tweets between them and Melody/Zentreya too. Interesting. As far as Nyanners that is hilarious because a lot of the discord community folks seem to totally buy into her wholesome sweet act. I could tell she was a lot more degenerate than she lets on and know she parrots 4chan memes like crazy but didn't know about the woke drama.

Her artist handle is BSApricot, does mainly sfw art but I could have sworn she did lewds at one point. Was concerned about her being contacted by the ratking, Ny*nners and Melody may or may not be worse.

r/VirtualYoutubers - Mute VTuber Zentreya smashed their head into a desk during a game of Jump King (Read comment to get some content on this clip)

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clip its gone from this realm, couldn't even find it on twitter.
plus i give you a tl;dr of zentreya: whatever his gender is it seems to have heavy depression sequels since all zen does is tweeting out on twitter or discord server that its feeling beyond sad, can't feel brave enough to take heavy pressure bla bla bla ... and then next day does like nothing happens so call that like a bi-polar disorder or a ´´i want attention on the internet plz´´.

ironmouse have a garbo community that not even she can't figure it out since its too busy taking care of whatever diceases may or may not have IRL, and Silver well i haven't been UPDATED with the past drama and even when trying to look for it doesn't get me straight results so meh :/

I tell ya they just gathering a mix of cringe, drama queens, shit-tiers personalities is not quite gonna end up well. but if amazingly goes well according to their plan then mayyybe they atleast claim themselves as the 2nd english vtuber agency.

Based on my own experiences and knowledge of Zentreya I do think it's plausible that they have legitimate mental health issues. Supposedly November is the month they lost their mom as well, and they seem to have pretty severe issues with ADHD. I don't think it's an attention call personally but I've been wrong many times before. I do think it's entirely plausible that Zentreya is actually a man - the reasons given for hiding voice so much just seem kinda cheesy and bogus. On one stream they said they didn't do voice chat because they were afraid someone in Corpus Christi, Texas of all places was going to recognize their voice on the street and stalk them or something. So who knows maybe it's a troon who is legitimately depressed and uses the fembot streamer voice and waifu imagery to feel like they wanna feel, it's not for me to judge.

Ironmouse's community really is cringe as shit in retrospect. Her modlist includes 2-3 megasimps with a history of bitching people out for things as simple as commenting "pick that item up" in a game. "NO BACKSEAT GAMING ASDFASDKKR", then a "dominatrix" admin that challenges people in stream chat and bans people for inane shit. They have set up a real echo chamber in that discord channel that rivals even the shittiest tiers of subreddits. And for the most part I think Mouse just doesn't have the energy to keep up with it so she delegates tasks to Roxy and Cheryl, her two primary admins.

As for Silver I noticed something that kinda gives me the shudders. Her irl mom is supposedly one of her main community members (Mamavale) on twitter, twitch and discord, which means her mom regularly gets the gift of clicking on any of her daughter's profiles and hearing her daughter explicitly talk about curved dicks while people draw explicit pictures of her daughter with a futa dick getting fucked by another girl with a futa dick and people comment with how much they want to fuck her daughter. If that shit is true and they really are mother/daughter then that seems like a kinda fucked up arrangement to me, unless times have really changed that much since I was a kid and people just straight up talk about sex fantasies around their parents these days.

 

[Rezza]

I think it’s because Coco mentioned she wanted to collab with Melody and Cover said no because “too lewd” or something. So maybe they can’t be too interactive with it.

Agree, Cover is almost always going to be playing safe, especially now after the Taiwan debacle

Vshojo is going to try and be HoloEN Gen 2 (but not literally), I surmise.

I have too many thoughts about all this to write down so I'm just gonna leave it at "great, more organized cancer to poison the EN fanbases."

How long we got until Callie is extending olive branches out to hacks like Melody and Nyanners? Since she's "pals" with Gigguk, and Sydsnap is in this new group, they're only a couple degrees of separation apart. Food for thought.

It all dependes on the manager, really. But I have a feeling EN managers gave a basically free reign to the EN girls, if looking at Calli's Trash Talk appearance

That said, as I said before, unless VShoujo managed to get collab with JP Vtubers (and not just an overseas branch) or something that gets them a "foothold" on the Japanese demographic, they will never have the "Japanese Vtuber" legitimacy

 

[The Burning Giraffe]

I'm worried the Vshoujo thing will poison the well for the HoloEN Gen2.

Maybe, but I don't think so. At this point I don't think anything but the bottom falling out of the ENtuber scene would stop that. If anything this might be good for Hololive. If they tard out hard enough people might not want to fuck around with indietubers and that funnels them to Hololive. That probably won't happen either, but who knows.

We're sorry Ojou, please don't bully.

 

[No Shot Bucko]

update: looks like the simp I mentioned earlier has been banned from Ironmouses community and streams too. So that's 3 major streamers which I have personally witnessed him dono >$20k over the last few months now saying NO REFUNDS. Times like this I'm glad I'm not a simp.


That explains a few things very well, thank you. I recognize Apricot from the post below by Potatohead now that I see the BSApricot title. She did some of the original HQ commissions for ProjektMelody and iirc has also done some work for the others since then, she seems to be fairly well received. I recognize Gigguk from tweets between them and Melody/Zentreya too. Interesting. As far as Nyanners that is hilarious because a lot of the discord community folks seem to totally buy into her wholesome sweet act. I could tell she was a lot more degenerate than she lets on and know she parrots 4chan memes like crazy but didn't know about the woke drama.




Based on my own experiences and knowledge of Zentreya I do think it's plausible that they have legitimate mental health issues. Supposedly November is the month they lost their mom as well, and they seem to have pretty severe issues with ADHD. I don't think it's an attention call personally but I've been wrong many times before. I do think it's entirely plausible that Zentreya is actually a man - the reasons given for hiding voice so much just seem kinda cheesy and bogus. On one stream they said they didn't do voice chat because they were afraid someone in Corpus Christi, Texas of all places was going to recognize their voice on the street and stalk them or something. So who knows maybe it's a troon who is legitimately depressed and uses the fembot streamer voice and waifu imagery to feel like they wanna feel, it's not for me to judge.

Ironmouse's community really is cringe as shit in retrospect. Her modlist includes 2-3 megasimps with a history of bitching people out for things as simple as commenting "pick that item up" in a game. "NO BACKSEAT GAMING ASDFASDKKR", then a "dominatrix" admin that challenges people in stream chat and bans people for inane shit. They have set up a real echo chamber in that discord channel that rivals even the shittiest tiers of subreddits. And for the most part I think Mouse just doesn't have the energy to keep up with it so she delegates tasks to Roxy and Cheryl, her two primary admins.

As for Silver I noticed something that kinda gives me the shudders. Her irl mom is supposedly one of her main community members (Mamavale) on twitter, twitch and discord, which means her mom regularly gets the gift of clicking on any of her daughter's profiles and hearing her daughter explicitly talk about curved dicks while people draw explicit pictures of her daughter with a futa dick getting fucked by another girl with a futa dick and people comment with how much they want to fuck her daughter. If that shit is true and they really are mother/daughter then that seems like a kinda fucked up arrangement to me, unless times have really changed that much since I was a kid and people just straight up talk about sex fantasies around their parents these days.

You made my night after many months of having a blast of laughs lmao!

Well hope ur right about zentreya since i honestly going to believe its a troon that haven't come out publicy from the closet to the public audience.

About ironmouse's admin and mods holy fuck man the discord server and stream twitch chat its full of powerhunger bitches who haven't feel the rush of IRL action and they compensate it with banning someone from an online chat. WOW IM FEELING THE ADRENALINE RUNNING THOUGHT MY VEINS BY PERMABANNING SOMEONE FROM A CHAT WOW!!! bitches get stiches and i honestly hope that if iron doesn't know of this toxic community she have running her shit, but im going to assume these simps are $$$ cows so she believes they are the best people to administrate & moderate their stuff lmao if that gets to be the situation then poor of iron to be this hypocrite and actually a bad vtuber influencer. if you gonna build a community do it with the right fucking people and not with powerhungry idiots who feel entitled to do basic things that a bot can do better without the cringe and asslicking part.

Just imagine being a mom of an vtuber influencer and get to see the amount of porn they made out of the 3D model of Silver, which in her defense she quite resembles to her IRL persona which you can check out on instagram ´´yes legit its on her instagram that doesn't use´´. but sure they both adults so why dont introduce your mom to Hentai and any other deviant fetish that my fans seems to love to damn much sugoi sugoi UWU?

 

[Rezza]

Yeah, the best we can do now is just gathering some info (especially the behind the scene stuffs) and wait how they went. Besides, I have a feeling things like VShoujo is not going to last long unless they managed to pull a good commercial strategy

Which reminds me again, but I have a feeling Gigguk and his co might have tried to get Calli on their show so that he can get inside info for his fiancée. The timing is suspicious, after all

 

[Least Concern]

lol the Chinese are so fucking embarrassing. I know the Japanese do this sort of shit all the time, but they've always been more ok with it. Can you imagine if like, the US Army decided to hop on the Cool Kids train and decided to stream on Twitch or something? Ridiculous.

Maybe I'm just being autistic and not picking up on the sarcasm, but https://www.twitch.tv/usarmyesports

They sponsored development of an FPS in the early '00s called America's Army, too. I remember trying to play it and getting stuck on one of the training missions where your character is supposedly practicing parachuting and you have to do this roll when you hit the ground but I couldn't get the timing right and kept killing myself. You know it's a good game when someone who's been playing games since the 2600 was the console of choice can't pass a goddamn tutorial level.

 

[SteelPlatedHeart]

Maybe I'm just being autistic and not picking up on the sarcasm, but https://www.twitch.tv/usarmyesports

God, I just flashbacked to those cringe tweets they made.

 

[No Shot Bucko]

Random simp comment about the comment made above by gunrun: ''No. Hololive and its managers are rude and abusive. Vshojo is the complete opposite! Nice, caring and loving''.

and then here comes silver responding to it:

I mean ... huge gap between indie vtubers and successful hololive vtubers and i guess discipline, effort and consistency on content its what made every single hololive vtuber a relevant figure.

 

[Rezza]

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Random simp comment about the comment made above by gunrun: ''No. Hololive and its managers are rude and abusive. Vshojo is the complete opposite! Nice, caring and loving''.

and then here comes silver responding to it:

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I mean ... huge gap between indie vtubers and successful hololive vtubers and i guess discipline, effort and consistency on content its what made every single hololive vtuber a relevant figure.

And also because they are originally a tech company. That's why their face tracking and model are the highest standard in the industry, something that most Indie Vtubers seems to always forget
That said, I wonder how they're going to be handling the lewd content of their talents. You can't possibly landed a deal with brands if your talents are known to talked publicly about degenerate stuff. Even those who managed to did so because of the sheer numbers they can pulled. What are the usual numbers for these guys?

 

[Potatohead]

That so, without good marketing and strategy, they will crash and burned. My question now though, are they going for the casual and newfags audience, with the higher chance of accepting non-"japanese" vtubers (though some of the reason are because of racial bias)? Or are they going to target the hardcore audience that Cover and Holo has?

Normie audience for sure, there’s no way a Holo watcher intos virtual thots. People with a passing interest in the scene and know about that one camgirl that uses an avatar, but not enough that they’ve heard of the drama around her. In other words, casuals. Might have some overlap with the audience that got into Hololive through EN, I know I did.

Can you imagine if like, the US Army decided to hop on the Cool Kids train and decided to stream on Twitch or something? Ridiculous.

I mean, they have ads trying to appeal to gamers on Twitter. Not quite at the same level, but with the same idea at least.

If they tard out hard enough people might not want to fuck around with indietubers and that funnels them to Hololive. That probably won't happen either, but who knows.

First impressions are hella important, if they get turned off to Vtubing in general they might not go to Hololive either. Though I don’t know how much that matters, given how completely Cover has dominated the ENtuber sphere.