Wuhan Coronavirus: Megathread - Got too big

[Salubrious]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/coronavirus-thanksgiving-college-kids-122920956.html

“I’m in a bad mood this morning about all this stuff,” Dr. George Rutherford, a professor of epidemiology at UC San Francisco, told Yahoo Finance. “I mean, imagine this scene: Two kids come home from some Midwestern college where there’ve been big spikes ... they come home to California, which is where it has been pretty well controlled. They have a big Thanksgiving dinner with you know, aunts and uncles and grandpa, and grandma gets killed.”

And “that’s what’s going to happen,” Rutherford stressed. “It’s not going to be subtle.”

Holy shit, they've turned "Don't kill grandma" from a meme into an actual talking point now.

Vermont to question schoolchildren over Thanksgiving gatherings, and require quarantine for violators

For parents who don't follow the state's rules, their kids must return to remote learning

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I'm sure parents and children will admit to doing this so that they may be punished accordingly.

I wonder if they realize that they are teaching kids to lie to them. Obviously that's rhetorical, and of course not.

It's like zero tolerance policies where a kid gets suspended for being "involved in a fight" when a group of bullies kick his ass; they are just teaching the victim to hide for fear of double punishment.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

I feel particularly bad for the student athletes, especially ones in high school, whose spring sports were completely cancelled. Imagine spending the entire first half of the year preparing for spring and then not getting to play. Being a senior and not getting to play your last year, potentially missing out on any sports scholarships you may have been up for otherwise

The frustrating part was having winter sports here cancelled during their post season with the promise/hope they could be resumed. Not only were they ultimately cancelled without closure, spring sports never happened as the goalposts moved all spring. There's also the fact that the referees officiating the now-cancelled contests now find themselves with less money than anticipated -- especially single-sport and year-round officials who have lost most or all of their game assignments compared to a normal year for them.

Besides sports, think about other extracurricular activities that got cancelled: spring plays/musicals/choir concerts, proms, senior convocations, graduations, etc. These are milestone or capstone events for those finishing high school and moving on in life -- events that were taken away by all of this.

Again my kids was playing hockey at the elite level and it’s all been quashed. In Canada even though we do not have nearly the same amount of ‘cases’ (I use the term loosely because positive tests do not necessarily mean a case) they have tripled down on the bull shit measures and Canadians are a bunch of weak simps who just take it and get their joy by acting virtuous and becoming the gestapo for the govt.

digress; though my kid is not obsessed with hockey, it was an outlet for him, it was exercise, socialization and frankly it was fun. Given the equipment they wear the likelihood of transmission is virtually nil, yet they are unable to play.

As I read this, @clusterfuckk, I couldn't help but wonder if youth hockey players have to wear protective face shields in the name of player safety. Considering face shields are an allowable alternative to mask in all sorts of locations in North America, I'm surprised hockey would be on the chopping block unless the bigger concern is fans passing COVID to each other or the colder air in rinks is somehow a concern... I don't know what the rationale is apart from the perception that nobody should have fun in the middle of all this.

The whole mask thing? I've never worn one, never will. What sort of proof do they ask for in the US if you say you're exempt for medical reasons? In the UK they can't ask and you're under no obligation to prove anything . What's it like elsewhere?

@Fliddaroonie - I'm not sure if anything has changed with our recent orders, but my state's office for civil rights (OCR) came out with an interpretation over the summer that a business could refuse service to someone with a legitimate reason for not wearing a mask so long as that business offered those people some sort of alternate accommodations and those accommodations were declined by the person.

For example, a retail store could offer curbside pickup, home delivery, or even have a staff member take their grocery list and shop for them to demonstrate that they offered the alternate accommodations required by the OCR interpretation. If the person declined all of these and subsequently filed a complaint with the OCR, the latter would likely dismiss the complaint because the business offered reasonable alternatives and the complainant refused all of them.

From a practical standpoint, it might depend on the store, who's in charge, people's moods, and whether the person claiming an exemption does so politely or acts like a Karen and demands people be fired for doing their job.

At my office, I'd be inclined to take the word of an established client if they couldn't wear a mask and gave the requisite answers to the screening questions that suggested they didn't have COVID or its symptoms. If anyone unfamiliar came into the alcove without a mask, however, I'd be more likely to suggest alternate arrangements to them for both their safety/well-being and mine.

After a spate of bedwetters freaking over people not wearing them, they have on a few occasions now, made people harassing those not wearing them leave the store.

This is the way it should be. If a patron is concerned about someone else's lack of a mask -- especially if they're coughing/sneezing and touching their face, there's a polite and proper way to address it. Harassment isn't it.

The majority of the videos I've seen and accounts I've read involve blacks. It's not unexpected.

Something something ... lowered expectations.

A grandparent of mine died recently because of something 100% unrelated to covid-19 and I barely go to see them at all this year because of the lockdowns and everything.

Someone I know who is a health care professional wasn't even allowed to see his mother when she was in a nursing home. I think on one occasion he was able to finally visit her briefly by mentioning his credentials and saying he was there to examine her. But, yeah it sucks that the people who need to see familiar faces regularly didn't and couldn't.

Either way, we were and have been and are being, lied to.

The sad part of all this is that the public needs to know what's truly going on regarding COVID 19 but the powers that be are more interested in spinning COVID-related happenings to either their benefit or their rivals' disadvantage. Look at how many times those asking for the numbers and metrics used to justify lock-downs and other decisions get rebuffed or accused of politicizing the issue.

Holy shit, they've turned "Don't kill grandma" from a meme into an actual talking point now.

I like how the professor in that article is claiming that California is a place where COVID "has been pretty well controlled" even though the updates from @JosephStalin suggest otherwise as communities within the state struggle to make it look like they have any sort of control over the situation.
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[Salubrious]

I feel particularly bad for the student athletes, especially ones in high school, whose spring sports were completely cancelled. Imagine spending the entire first half of the year preparing for spring and then not getting to play. Being a senior and not getting to play your last year, potentially missing out on any sports scholarships you may have been up for otherwise.

And this extends to any spring activity for any student or person really. I had 2 months of rehearsal for a stage production only for it to be cancelled the week before opening night. I updated my resume last week and removed that show; felt weird doing so.

Quite frankly, imagine how completely life-altering these lockdowns have been to anyone between 16-19. All of the life moments that they will never get back and never get to experience.

Now imagine these kids being told that they are selfish if they complain about it.

I think we are going to see some BAD stuff in the next decade or so because of it once these kids start hitting their 30s.

 

[Cold Root Beer]

I feel particularly bad for the student athletes, especially ones in high school, whose spring sports were completely cancelled. Imagine spending the entire first half of the year preparing for spring and then not getting to play. Being a senior and not getting to play your last year, potentially missing out on any sports scholarships you may have been up for otherwise.

And this extends to any spring activity for any student or person really. I had 2 months of rehearsal for a stage production only for it to be cancelled the week before opening night. I updated my resume last week and removed that show; felt weird doing so.

More than student athletes, I feel bad for the Olympic athletes. In that super high level of competition, you've been preparing for that exact competition for almost your entire life. And at that high level, your peak window can be pretty narrow depending on the sport. Seeing as they'll probably weasel out of having the Olympics in 2021 as well (given all the new bullshit about 'just because we have a vaccine doesn't mean we'll end the horseshit!'), I'm expecting an entire generation of Olympic athletes have their chance stolen from them, on a scale we haven't seen since the cancelled Olympics of the WW2 era.

 

[Kiwi Lime Pie]

More than student athletes, I feel bad for the Olympic athletes. In that super high level of competition, you've been preparing for that exact competition for almost your entire life. And at that high level, your peak window can be pretty narrow depending on the sport.

This is also a good point. Olympic competition for many athletes is a bona fide once in a lifetime opportunity. In many events, it's rare to see an athlete compete in two or more Olympiads because of how difficult is it compete at the highest possible level for any extended period of time. As you stated, the window for certain sports can be extremely narrow -- even for athletes whose Olympic debuts happen during their teen years.

That said, I feel more for the amateur athletes who may only get one shot at their event and likely won't turn pro or make money off their Olympic appearance than I feel for the pro athletes who have something (namely their lucrative pro contracts and subsequent endorsements) to look forward to once that year's Olympic game end.

The question then becomes how many athletes might actually speak up to express their frustrations if COVID-related goalpost moving costs them the chance to compete in the 2020 (moved to 2021) Olympics and they're unable to compete again in 2024 or beyond.

 

[NoReturn]

What can we do to support these kids? I have some family friends/"adopted" nieces and nephews that I want to help.

 

[Tookie]

Redditors panicking because the OP reports having an upset stomach after eating street food in Mexico City.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

You know those people who have been total Maskzis, and pretty much popping a mental stiffy over the shutdowns and stuff the whole time? The ones who were calling anyone going out for any reason other than food selfish inhuman bastards? The ones who have labelled anyone who isn't happy with taking the needle til it's proven safe? The people who lose their shit when you point out how much money people defending the vaxx have had from the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation, so maybe there's a conflict of interest there?

There is nothing sweeter than watching such a person realise that they are not fucking special or different and that their plans and career this year are going to be repeatedly skullfucked. I have never in my life enjoyed so much the misery and suffering of another person, and it is all the sweeter given then broadcast the whole thing on social media. It is truly wonderful, and while it doesn't make it worth it, watching this walking pile of shit get precisely what they've demanded everyone else go through is truly magnificent.

 

[ADHD]

“I mean, imagine this scene: Two kids come home from some Midwestern college where there’ve been big spikes ... they come home to California, which is where it has been pretty well controlled. They have a big Thanksgiving dinner with you know, aunts and uncles and grandpa, and grandma gets killed.”

Does this guy think that grandma doesn't know about the WuFlu and doesn't know the risks of being at Thanksgiving dinner with her grandchildren, and decided it's a risk she wants to take anyway? It's not like these college students are coming home, unwelcome, and barging in and coofing in grandma's face.

No one blames students for "killing grandma" when they give her the flu. This is beyond retarded.

 

[Gin-san]

Holy shit, they've turned "Don't kill grandma" from a meme into an actual talking point now.

It's been a talking point for a while. A couple months ago, I was having an argument with a friend about the lockdowns and my brain broke when he unironically said I could kill somebody's grandma if I didn't wear a mask.

 

[Dave.]

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As I’ve said before, anyone who takes mask selfies is all I need to know about them. And majority of the time I’m proven correct.

 

[Tumbo]

I never thought I'd ever live to see critical thought be replaced by blind obedience and complete fear. the lack of transparency in regards to this whole thing is absolutely staggering.

 

[Otterly]

Who do we think will win, the black lady screaming discrimination when the white karen snatches the last waffle maker off the display, or the guy coughing on people to get closer to the TVs?

Whomever has the sharpest elbows, dipped in weapons grade covid serum like a poisoned arrow

In good news, my son and his wife, safely back in the USA (Texas), are looking to buy their first house. Plenty of places in their price range. Both are working.


AS MONTEREY COUNTY'S CASES SURGE, HOSPITAL MAKES URGENT PLEA

• SVMH says it has record number of coronavirus patients

With Monterey County's coronavirus cases reaching levels not seen since mid-August, today the spokesperson for Salinas Valley Memorial said the hospital had so many patients infected with the virus, its resources were being tested.

"Today we hit a sobering milestone in the pandemic," said SVMH spokesperson Karina Rusk. "We have a record 32 patients in our hospital in three Covid units. We have enough beds, ventilators and PPE. Our key concern is our staff."

Some of the responsibility for the county's dramatic increase in coronavirus cases over the last six weeks lies with the public, she indicated, and things could get even worse over Thanksgiving.

"Like most other medical professionals across the country, members of our staff are tired of seeing a needless number of people infected with Covid-19 and an increase in the number of people dying from the virus," Rusk said.

She released a pair of videos in which she said "our frontline workers make one last appeal before the holiday to urge people to be safe and limit family gatherings."

While SVMH's coronavirus inpatients are at record levels, the county's other hospitals also have their hands full. CHOMP said this morning it has 14 coronavirus inpatients, and Natividad reported 23.

The hospitalizations are moving higher in concert with what can only be called a shocking surge in the county's raw case numbers. Today, the Monterey County health department reported 315 new confirmed infections — the county's second-highest daily toll ever. Our 7-day average rate of new cases per day per 100,000 residents is up to 32.0; on August 23, that number was 9.3.

And in what is almost a footnote, today the California Department of Public Health released an updated coronavirus score for Monterey County of 18.7. On Nov. 4, the county's score was 7.9, which was tantalizingly — but fleetingly — close to the governor's target of 7.0 to move out of the Purple Tier in the state's shutdown scheme.

Meanwhile, as the country buzzes and the stock market surges amid reports of vaccines being approved within a few weeks by the FDA, and talk that the first doses could be administered to the public by mid-December, we have no solid information about when coronavirus vaccines will be available here. As soon as this information emerges, we will report it to you.

For details about Monterey County's shutdown status, as reported by the California Department of Public Health, click here. To see the most up-to-date charts and tables from the county health department, click here. Below, you can also find the updated versions of our charts showing coronavirus infections countywide and in the Monterey Peninsula, along with the data for hospitalizations and our chart breaking down Monterey County's coronavirus cases and infection rates by zip code. Please check these charts and tables for the latest data on coronavirus cases in your community.


Here's a mug shot of Karina Rusk after being pulled over for DUI last year. She used to be on the local news here years ago. No, I just don't give a fuck any more.

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Again I’m not ‘frontline’ but - Hospitals are busy in intensive care, but they always are. Don’t know what it’s like in the states but over here most intensive care/critical care type places run close to capacity anyway due to cost. We have expansion capacity, almost none of it was used. Flu is magically gone this year, everywhere else is a weird combo of backlog and quiet.

Has there been an actual Covid 'surge" with actual hospitalizations anywhere in the country? I'm in an alleged Covid hotspot and my nurse friends tell me hospitals are ghost towns and inpatient levels are the lowest they've ever seen them.

Uk: ONS (office of national statistics, official UK gov body) recorded 8 more deaths in this October vs last. The spring of this year had a big excess death peak, but that is not the case now. Interestingly deaths fell below the average after that peak for a bit and were below average last year from flu, probably because it was a mild flu year. So there has been a cohort of the elderly vulnerable who were especially susceptible to an illness like this. Then after that peak there were fewer deaths.

COVIDView shows a significant increase in hospital visits and hospitalization. Excess deaths is a trailing indicator because it takes time to die, and then it takes time to get those numbers, but we haven't seen an increase there yet. On the one hand, I expect some COVID deaths from the current uptick in hospital visits. On the other hand, if we effectively suppress the flu, maybe COVID will just take its place and the net change in deaths will approach 0.

There will be a slight uptick which lags a few weeks behind the infection curve. That curve has turned almost everywhere in Europe and is heading down. I’d expect another bump in late January/feb and then hopefully nothing more major. If everyone is good and takes their vaccines. Which I won’t be.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

I never thought I'd ever live to see critical thought be replaced by blind obedience and complete fear. the lack of transparency in regards to this whole thing is absolutely staggering.

I don't mean to come across as snarky at all, but I am curious. How are you surprised or shocked by this. Conspiracy theories about the NWO and loominaattieeee aside, it's very clear that this has been coming for a very, very long time. And by "this" I mean the erosion of people being able to think critically about anything. Parents all too often defer the proper socialisation of their kids onto schools, and expect schools to churn out fully socialised, life-skills-equipped humans, too many parents don't teach their kids anything. And in the absence of parents willing to bother, the state school system has stepped in, and teachers who suck are using their position to lecture and brainwash children into their way of thinking.


I can't understand how it's a shock but I am fully willing to accept I am a cynical fucker who has seen this happening in slow motion for a very, very long time now.

 

[NoReturn]

Does this guy think that grandma doesn't know about the WuFlu and doesn't know the risks of being at Thanksgiving dinner with her grandchildren, and decided it's a risk she wants to take anyway? It's not like these college students are coming home, unwelcome, and barging in and coofing in grandma's face.

No one blames students for "killing grandma" when they give her the flu. This is beyond retarded.

It's teaching people they are responsible for grandma, and she bears no responsibility for herself.

 

[AveraDiane]

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I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to cough on this fat cunt out of spite. I feel sorry for her kid too.

 

[Fliddaroonie]

I wouldn't be surprised if someone tried to cough on this fat cunt out of spite. I feel sorry for her kid too.

Fatties just need to shut the fuck up. Netter yet, can we pierce their lips together and make them wear face coverings all the time, like in The Handmaid's tale? It would make them shut up and lose weight, everyone wins.


And fat people who are not dealing with their weight should not be allowed to reproduce. bad enough you ruin your body, worse you pile your shitty habits onto your kid.

 

[Tumbo]

I don't mean to come across as snarky at all, but I am curious. How are you surprised or shocked by this. Conspiracy theories about the NWO and loominaattieeee aside, it's very clear that this has been coming for a very, very long time. And by "this" I mean the erosion of people being able to think critically about anything. Parents all too often defer the proper socialisation of their kids onto schools, and expect schools to churn out fully socialised, life-skills-equipped humans, too many parents don't teach their kids anything. And in the absence of parents willing to bother, the state school system has stepped in, and teachers who suck are using their position to lecture and brainwash children into their way of thinking.


I can't understand how it's a shock but I am fully willing to accept I am a cynical fucker who has seen this happening in slow motion for a very, very long time now.

No doubt it was coming what I'm shocked at more than anything is the speed at which it's arrived. I assumed that we at least had another 3 to 4 decades to go.

 

[Smolrolls]

"NOOOOO WHY ARE YOU STILL GOING OUT, WE HAD 150 NEW COOF CASES TODAY DESPITE THE EXTENDED CURFEW. IF THIS KEEPS GOING, WE'RE SENDING YOU BACK TO TOTAL LOCKDOWN ANYWAY YOU OVERLY OUTGOING FUCKS. OBEY THE RULES AND STAY INSIDE!!!"

https://www.biobiochile.cl/noticias/nacional/region-del-bio-bio/2020/11/24/pese-a-toque-de-queda-extendido-gran-concepcion-arriesga-cuarentena-por-aumento-de-contagios.shtml

You know it sounds like these LOCKDOWN harpies act like they're our mothers. Reminds me of a post I made about Thomas Paine saying Great Britain thinks that it's America's mother, so the latter has a duty to do whatever the former says.

 

[The Skeptical Tomato X5]

Been going around pulling down all the covid scam related signs and posters that have been put up around my neighbourhood. Doesn't seem like much but having them there ensures that this farce occupies a certain amount of mindshare in the average person.