Diseased #Comicsgate - The Culture Wars Hit The Funny Books!

[Newman's Lovechild]

Now he's costing me money. I can't stream anymore.
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I thought that rejoining comicsgate would drop you on your ass sooner or later, but I didn't expect it this quickly.

I shouldn't laugh, really. It doesn't give me that much pleasure to see you stumble as you prostrate yourself before the golden toad, but there's a certain poetic irony. You sold yourself back to comicsgate in anticipation of those sweet, sweet frogbucks (though with such ridiculous obsequiousness that part of me still thinks you have something uncharacteristically devious up your sleeve) and almost immediately, comicsgate snatched away your main method of making a return on that investment. However temporarily.

Comicsgate is not an egalitarian community of creators and artistes, Nasser. Comicsgate is an asylum of assmad autists and paranoid manchildren, ready to turn on eachother at the drop of a hat when they don't have some external target to hoot at like a mob of angry baboons. Liam is just an especially aggressive example.

There is something that has been running through my head during the last two or three times I visited this thread, ever since Nasser's glorious procession back through the streets of Caesar's city. Most of us here are comicfags, right? How many read Garth Ennis' Punisher Max, the Barracuda arc specifically?





A little context. Our messianic figure here is Harry Ebbing, a charismatic, two-faced shyster who presents himself, and is applauded, as a very savvy and successful businessman, but most of his profits come through smoke and mirrors and shady practises. He is shafted in the end because he surrounds himself with greedy sycophants who are almost as sociopathic and underhanded as he is. The other guy, the schmuck on his knees, ends up in a toilet, dead. Strangled by others who are much more calculating and ruthless than he is, from the world he wants so desperately to reenter.

He might get pity bucks

The gap between CG drama bucks and pity bucks is very thin, anyway. The biggest difference is whether the change ends up in your cup because the fleabitten mutt sitting beside you does entertaining tricks, or because it just sits there looking sad and forlorn.

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Loads of people messaged me with recent Comicsgate drama.

I DO NOT want to participate in it anymore.
I did in the past, but the answer to industry issues isn't becoming the clown car version of Marvel.

A timely message. Imagine, TUG, a voice of reason. Strange days.

Spoiler: Dox

Name: Andrew William Taylor
Age: 46

Another relevant point. In the back of my head I know most of us are grown men, some middle aged at least, sperging like teenage girls over comic books and twitter drama, but it's sobering to see it laid out in black and white.

 

[Brother Maynard]

Cecil makes a few jokes implying Shane doesn't like jews. Shane immediately freezes up and says something along the lines of "if you want to make those jokes just make them yourself; leave my name out of your mouth." Cecil then attempts to get back in Shane's good graces, which somehow results in him making several more taboo jokes at Shane's expense. Frog spends most of this interaction with his head in his hands. At one point Shane cuts Cecil off and goes into a bizarre book-promoting tirade, adopting the diction of an auctioneer on Adderall. This goes on for about a minute and is easily the most awkward portion of the stream. Eventually Frog sees an opportunity to end the stream and does so while spewing a cacophony of apologies at Shane. We're clearly approaching a crossroads where Shane will either lighten up and stop taking himself so seriously or snap and go down the Smiller path.

Shane is so insanely boring he makes Smiller look like Benny Hill. Frog needs new talent.

 

[Greed]

Shane is so insanely boring he makes Smiller look like Benny Hill. Frog needs new talent.

He strikes me as the kind of guy who gets out of the shower to take a piss.

 

[Pilule Noire]

There was a mildly diverting video of him in a kickboxing match, that Fraga played on his channel, but then had to private. I think he showed it and privated it on his own channel too, Talking & Drawing & Privating with Shame Davis.

I don't know why he wanted it privated but I didn't consider it worth saving anyway. But it was mildly entertaining, certainly more so than his lackadaisical blather. I would describe his fighting style as 'sperging schoolyard nerd'.

 

[Mister Dongs]

We're clearly approaching a crossroads where Shane will either lighten up and stop taking himself so seriously or snap and go down the Smiller path.

I called Shane Davis as coming off very much like Smiller back in June after his first appearance on July 3rd this year. The guy isn't compelled to be an entertainer or a "personality" so much as he wants to give out his hot takes online to an audience and not be cancelled for it.

@Mister Dongs you listened to Ethan's stream the other night. What's your impression of Shane Davis? Will he be suitably compliant on stream with FROG and last like Jon, Cecil, the Adam's(P&F) and all the other yes men or will he be to uppity and push back when he disagrees like the Doug's (T&E), Mike and Tim?

And I guess the same question would apply to Fragga...

Shane Davis by contrast comes across more like Mike Miller, an opinionated guy who pursued an occupation that offered self-expression only to find himself isolated from the rest of society while corporate discourages him from freely expressing his hot takes. While I doubt Davis is going to go "full Smiller", after reading his tweets and watching his struggling youtube channel I sense the same motivation for his joining.

Since that post, Shane's channel can't be described as 'struggling' anymore; it has 2400 subs, 300 live viewers and minimum 4 digit total views. He's build a decent audience to listen to him slowly ruminate the news of day, various tweets by SJW comic pros, stuff other CGers are talking about etc while he draws. Last week he got 4 hours out of the Dan Slott documentary.

Shane also likes trolling like Mike, but unlike Mike just comes across as lame and gay when he tries it instead of derailing entire livestreams, movements and careers when Smiller gets on a roll. But, like I predicted, Davis has gone on to make no conflict in the CG community because fundamentally there is no disagreement between himself and Frog on how things are to be done, only to what degree Davis is able to emulate what Frog is doing. As for the real source of conflict, I also wrote in the same post:

As things stand now, the biggest likelihood for conflict in the future is one of the few remaining prominent non-pros with unstable personalities like Cecil having it in for someone who makes him feel inferior like Doug TenNapel did and looking for wedge issues like "inappropriate tweets" and/or manipulating Sketch Therapy into getting a "dispute over Comicsgate values" going.

Same post and everything, damn.

 

[Newman's Own]

AFAIK everyone who paid him eventually got their commission.

Leaving people to wait years for things they pay for in advance is not acceptable.

I can't believe that required saying.

I've waited years on commissions before

Good for you. Sadly I have to much respect for myself to wait 2 years for a narcissists scribbles. Even if he does hair really cool.

Slow and gay? Yes. Fraud? No.

Much like Mike selling the bottled water equivalent of Tupperware is dum and gay but it isn't the "ponzi scheme" you made it out to be.

As for losing his house I think that had something to do with a personal tragedy that has been discussed previously. If you want to piss him off ask EVS to go skydiving.

Ethan's tragedy was that his wife got sick of his shit and left him. People who are good with money get divorced all the time and manage to keep their houses.

The smart ones never buy a house that's under water a couple years later because they're smart enough to see a housing bubble when it's happening. I remember telling multiple coworkers not to buy houses at the time for that very reason.

Mitch chimped out when he got doxed. Lol, go egg that fags house.

Mitch is a colossal asshole and a scam artist. He was also Ethan's friend when Ethan fucked him over.

You said let's talk about Mike & Ethan. That's how Ethan deals with his friends.

A millionaire giving advice to a hundredaire? Mike should take that advice.

If I win the lotto tomorrow please don't take that to mean I know whether you should buy gold or bank stocks in the present environment.

Ethan struck it rich on YouTube by finding a bunch of butt hurt internet goofs to monetize like several thousand teenagers and THOT's you shouldn't look to for money advice from either. Good for him. That makes EVS no better with money than Ru Paul is good at understanding the meaning of her genitalia. It made her/him/it rich too but I'm not going to ask Ru what I should do with my 401K.

I'm willing to bet that Mike has more equity in his home right now then Ethan does despite his millions. Ethan was running Mike down for his Bitcoin gamble for the last 3 yrs and Mike despite being no financial wizard managed to double that portion of his portfolio in value this year by knowing the difference between dollar cost averaging and a term deposit.

Mike's no genius with money and doesn't have a cult following of losers but Ethan's success as a cult figure and apparent ignorance to all things fiscal doesn't make him any smarter about it.

Edit: The reason I brought up Mike's good fortune with Bitcoin is not because it's a genius investment. It's very risky, but Mike knows that and has often talked about buying more coin when the value has dropped (something Ethan mocked him for doing because Ethan doesn't understand dollar cost averaging).

Ethan on the other hand bought a house when EVERYONE was buying over priced spec houses and the market was an obvious bubble. Smart people were racing to get out of housing while Ethan , fiscal genius that he is, wound up with a mortgage that was worth far more than his house, whinging about his wife dumping him for someone with a T score over 100.

I would listen to the guy who understands dollar cost averaging over the guy who can't understand that it's "buy low and sell high" but that's just me.

(and for the record I still wouldn't take either's advice)

 

[FROG]

Mitch is a colossal asshole and a scam artist. He was also Ethan's friend when Ethan fucked him over.

You said let's talk about Mike & Ethan. That's how Ethan deals with his friends.

What's your theory about how I "fucked over Mitch Breitweiser" now? Be as complete and specific as you can.

It'll be interesting to see how Star Wars content performs compared to 2018, now that Star Wars (The Mandalorian at least) is actually worth watching again.

By "Star Wars videos," I mean short videos that talk about whatever gossip bullshit is happening in pop culture. My Dan Slott Marvel 616 video is doing great...over 60,000 views.

On the other hand, I did a Star Wars toy review yesterday, which while appreciated by my longtime subs, hasn't hit 10K views yet. And I did a Mandalorian based article this morning which is also doing okay, but is obviously less interesting to people than the Death of Comics videos that I've started to offer. Those videos about DC people getting fired, or Marvel fucking up, do 20-30K views.

I'm looking for a subject that regularly will get 50-100K views, and I'll stumble across it eventually and beat it to death. It's a game. As long as I'm enjoying it, I'm happy to play it.

 

[Newman's Own]

What's your theory about how I "fucked over Mitch Breitweiser" now? Be as complete and specific as you can.

Mitch invited Ethan to come down and take part in the meetings with WalMart.

Mitch was under the mistaken impression that Ethan would partner up with him using his CyberFrog property to help leverage a sweet deal with the retail giant. Ethan had a bigger name and a sooper successful crowd funder that he let Mitch think was in play.

Ethan let him think that because he wanted to make the contact with WalMart I presume. It never hurts to have a relationship with the biggest retail store chain in the known universe.

Ethan attended the meetings to make the contacts and then pulled the rug out from under Mitch leaving him high and dry without leverage while dealing with the most cut throat negotiators in all of retail. CyberFrog was never on the table.

Mitch couldn't even bitch about it because he needed Ethan's support to keep the crowdfunding end of his venture solvent and finance his new business on the back of Red Rooster's campaign.

Strangely, after the trip to Arkansas things noticeably cooled between the Bitchweisers and EVS.



Edit: I'm curious @FROG. What did your wife's boyfriend do for a living when she dumped you?

 

[Zigzag]

M

Mitch invited Ethan to come down and take part in the meetings with WalMart.

Mitch was under the mistaken impression that Ethan would partner up with him using his CyberFrog property to help leverage a sweet deal with the retail giant. Ethan had a bigger name and a sooper successful crowd funder that he let Mitch think was in play.

Ethan let him think that because he wanted to make the contact with WalMart I presume. It never hurts to have a relationship with the biggest retail store chain in the known universe.

Ethan attended the meetings to make the contacts and then pulled the rug out from under Mitch leaving him high and dry without leverage while dealing with the most cut throat negotiators in all of retail. CyberFrog was never on the table.

Mitch couldn't even bitch about it because he needed Ethan's support to keep the crowdfunding end of his venture solvent and finance his new business on the back of Red Rooster's campaign.

Strangely, after the trip to Arkansas things noticeably cooled between the Bitchweisers and EVS.



Edit: I'm curious @FROG. What did your wife's boyfriend do for a living when she dumped you?

Not going to lie I kinda of what to know what does the ex wife new hubby or bf do?

 

[FROG]

Mitch invited Ethan to come down and take part in the meetings with WalMart.

Mitch was under the mistaken impression that Ethan would partner up with him using his CyberFrog property to help leverage a sweet deal with the retail giant. Ethan had a bigger name and a sooper successful crowd funder that he let Mitch think was in play.

Ethan let him think that because he wanted to make the contact with WalMart I presume. It never hurts to have a relationship with the biggest retail store chain in the known universe.

Ethan attended the meetings to make the contacts and then pulled the rug out from under Mitch leaving him high and dry without leverage while dealing with the most cut throat negotiators in all of retail. CyberFrog was never on the table.

Mitch couldn't even bitch about it because he needed Ethan's support to keep the crowdfunding end of his venture solvent and finance his new business on the back of Red Rooster's campaign.

Strangely, after the trip to Arkansas things noticeably cooled between the Bitchweisers and EVS.



Edit: I'm curious Ethan. What did your wife's boyfriend do for a living when she dumped you?

He fell out of planes for a living. It didn't work out. She ended up re-marrying a guy who sells Hyundais. She's doing great.

None of it is your business, or mine. Life goes on.

Here's what happened with Mitch.

He thought our best route was to get distribution thru Wal-Mart, since they were in Arkansas, and he thought he had the connections to make that happen. He invited me out to take some meetings, and since I didn't really have any better ideas than Direct to Consumer, I visited two or three times.

Turns out, it's not difficult to get magazine stand distribution. You only have to ask. But the books are returnable, and it didn't seem like a terrific idea to me.

Their business partners were pushing the idea that WalMart would lead to other merchandising deals though, so I was kind of interested. I got a phone call from the guy at the head of their business venture, pressuring me to sign CYBERFROG over to the business. I said "no thank you!"

Mitch called and expressed alarm that this had happened, and then said he guessed that was part of the arrangement, but he understood etc etc.

Then he accidentally sent me this text:

Things cooled off from there. I wasn't going to share CYBERFROG with the Breitweisers or their company in exchange for placement at WALMART. I don't have ill feelings towards them, but RED ROOSTER has been a disaster on the IGG side of things, and that's my main concern.

We stopped talking for almost a year, and then started chatting again, mostly over some conspiracy shit he was enduring regarding the Bunny crew.

I can't answer for the lateness of RED ROOSTER, I find it to be a betrayal of his backers that can't be repaired.

 

[Rupin]

Leaving people to wait years for things they pay for in advance is not acceptable.

I can't believe that required saying.

Good for you. Sadly I have to much respect for myself to wait 2 years for a narcissists scribbles. Even if he does hair really cool.

Much like Mike selling the bottled water equivalent of Tupperware is dum and gay but it isn't the "ponzi scheme" you made it out to be.

Ethan's tragedy was that his wife got sick of his shit and left him. People who are good with money get divorced all the time and manage to keep their houses.

The smart ones never buy a house that's under water a couple years later because they're smart enough to see a housing bubble when it's happening. I remember telling multiple coworkers not to buy houses at the time for that very reason.

Mitch is a colossal asshole and a scam artist. He was also Ethan's friend when Ethan fucked him over.

You said let's talk about Mike & Ethan. That's how Ethan deals with his friends.

If I win the lotto tomorrow please don't take that to mean I know whether you should buy gold or bank stocks in the present environment.

Ethan struck it rich on YouTube by finding a bunch of butt hurt internet goofs to monetize like several thousand teenagers and THOT's you shouldn't look to for money advice from either. Good for him. That makes EVS no better with money than Ru Paul is good at understanding the meaning of her genitalia. It made her/him/it rich too but I'm not going to ask Ru what I should do with my 401K.

I'm willing to bet that Mike has more equity in his home right now then Ethan does despite his millions. Ethan was running Mike down for his Bitcoin gamble for the last 3 yrs and Mike despite being no financial wizard managed to double that portion of his portfolio in value this year by knowing the difference between dollar cost averaging and a term deposit.

Mike's no genius with money and doesn't have a cult following of losers but Ethan's success as a cult figure and apparent ignorance to all things fiscal doesn't make him any smarter about it.

Edit: The reason I brought up Mike's good fortune with Bitcoin is not because it's a genius investment. It's very risky, but Mike knows that and has often talked about buying more coin when the value has dropped (something Ethan mocked him for doing because Ethan doesn't understand dollar cost averaging).

Ethan on the other hand bought a house when EVERYONE was buying over priced spec houses and the market was an obvious bubble. Smart people were racing to get out of housing while Ethan , fiscal genius that he is, wound up with a mortgage that was worth far more than his house, whinging about his wife dumping him for someone with a T score over 100.

I would listen to the guy who understands dollar cost averaging over the guy who can't understand that it's "buy low and sell high" but that's just me.

(and for the record I still wouldn't take either's advice)

how exactly did Ethan fuck Mitch over? Mitch fucked Mitch over when he took the fans Indiegogo money and didn’t deliver on his book but, then he turns around and sells that very same book through Walmart for five dollars. You can only do that trick to the fans once. Can’t blame Ethan for this one.

 

[KingofNothing]

Mitch invited Ethan to come down and take part in the meetings with WalMart.

Mitch was under the mistaken impression that Ethan would partner up with him using his CyberFrog property to help leverage a sweet deal with the retail giant. Ethan had a bigger name and a sooper successful crowd funder that he let Mitch think was in play.

Ethan let him think that because he wanted to make the contact with WalMart I presume. It never hurts to have a relationship with the biggest retail store chain in the known universe.

Ethan attended the meetings to make the contacts and then pulled the rug out from under Mitch leaving him high and dry without leverage while dealing with the most cut throat negotiators in all of retail. CyberFrog was never on the table.

Mitch couldn't even bitch about it because he needed Ethan's support to keep the crowdfunding end of his venture solvent and finance his new business on the back of Red Rooster's campaign.

Strangely, after the trip to Arkansas things noticeably cooled between the Bitchweisers and EVS.



Edit: I'm curious @FROG. What did your wife's boyfriend do for a living when she dumped you?

I know you don't like Ethan, but it's incredibly dumb to blame him for Mitch making the WalMart deal when it was his idea in the first place. None of that is on Ethan

 

[Zigzag]

He fell out of planes for a living. It didn't work out. She ended up re-marrying a guy who sells Hyundais. She's doing great.

None of it is your business, or mine. Life goes on.

Here's what happened with Mitch.

He thought our best route was to get distribution thru Wal-Mart, since they were in Arkansas, and he thought he had the connections to make that happen. He invited me out to take some meetings, and since I didn't really have any better ideas than Direct to Consumer, I visited two or three times.

Turns out, it's not difficult to get magazine stand distribution. You only have to ask. But the books are returnable, and it didn't seem like a terrific idea to me.

Their business partners were pushing the idea that WalMart would lead to other merchandising deals though, so I was kind of interested. I got a phone call from the guy at the head of their business venture, pressuring me to sign CYBERFROG over to the business. I said "no thank you!"

Mitch called and expressed alarm that this had happened, and then said he guessed that was part of the arrangement, but he understood etc etc.

Then he accidentally sent me this text:

Things cooled off from there. I wasn't going to share CYBERFROG with the Breitweisers or their company in exchange for placement at WALMART. I don't have ill feelings towards them, but RED ROOSTER has been a disaster on the IGG side of things, and that's my main concern.

We stopped talking for almost a year, and then started chatting again, mostly over some conspiracy shit he was enduring regarding the Bunny crew.

I can't answer for the lateness of RED ROOSTER, I find it to be a betrayal of his backers that can't be repaired.

I was just curious and I didn’t bring it up but thanks for the reply.
Edit while it’s great you feel the need to answer every question evs you don’t have to. This is not a criticism it’s a suggestion.

 

[Life is Hell...]

Found this Anti-Mormon, Anti Police, Nu-Male a while back named Derek Hunter, an animator and comic artist who's worked on cartoons like Adventure Time, Ducktales, and Bravest Warriors, and he's very Anti-Comicsgate

 

[Newman's Own]

etc etc.

Well, it's hard to argue with that rock solid argument Ethan.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...

We stopped talking for almost a year, and then started chatting again, mostly over some conspiracy shit he was enduring regarding the Bunny crew.

Really surprises me that you're completely beyond reproach in your own account of your behavior Ethan. Strange that Mitch didn't see it that way.

As to your 'bunny crew conspiracy', that would have been when "Shadow King" started defaming the good name of Doug Ernst for no reason and you played along before backing off and shutting up about it.

Funny that not one iota of evidence against the "bunny crew" was ever produced by you or Mitch but it was a welcome distraction from the fact that Mitch (who you'd patched things up with by then) was actively fucking over his Red Rooster backers.

I'm sure Mitch appreciated you playing along and spreading lies about Ernst.

Would you care to share any shred of evidence you have against Tim Lim and company or would you like to keep it to completely unsubstantiated bullshit?

I know you don't like Ethan, but it's incredibly dumb to blame him for Mitch making the WalMart deal when it was his idea in the first place. None of that is on Ethan

I didn't say Ethan was responsible for the deal. How'd you make that leap?

I said he used and fucked over his 'friend' Mitch. Something Mitch seemed to agree with given he stopped talking to Ethan over it as FROG admits above.

Ethan has a long list of ex-friends.

Perhaps instead of assuming they're all at fault we should look at the common thread that runs through every case going back well beyond CG.

He fell out of planes for a living. It didn't work out.

Sky diving is some high T shit. Your wife probably wasn't the only piece he had in play

 

[5t3n0g0ph3r]

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Soyface? Check.
Stares creepily at babies? Check.

We've got another one, people!
Sound the alarms!
Male Feminist Pedo Detected!

 

[Greed]

Found this Anti-Mormon, Anti Police, Nu-Male a while back named Derek Hunter

He has the face of a man who was raised on post-modernism and bathos. Dude can't even portray a genuine emotion when looking at his own newborn child.

 

[FROG]

Well, it's hard to argue with that rock solid argument Ethan.

Yadda, yadda, yadda...

Really surprises me that you're completely beyond reproach in your own account of your behavior Ethan. Strange that Mitch didn't see it that way.

As to your 'bunny crew conspiracy', that would have been when "Shadow King" started defaming the good name of Doug Ernst for no reason and you played along before backing off and shutting up about it.

Funny that not one iota of evidence against the "bunny crew" was ever produced by you or Mitch but it was a welcome distraction from the fact that Mitch (who you'd patched things up with by then) was actively fucking over his Red Rooster backers.

I'm sure Mitch appreciated you playing along and spreading lies about Ernst.

Would you care to share any shred of evidence you have against Tim Lim and company or would you like to keep it to completely unsubstantiated bullshit?

I didn't say Ethan was responsible for the deal. How'd you make that leap?

I said he used and fucked over his 'friend' Mitch. Something Mitch seemed to agree with given he stopped talking to Ethan over it as FROG admits above.

Ethan has a long list of ex-friends.

Perhaps instead of assuming they're all at fault we should look at the common thread that runs through every case going back well beyond CG.

Mitch can speak for himself about any wrong he feels I did him. I haven't heard him make any such claims.

I don't know who "Shadow King" was. It was more gay ops, probably by the usual suspects.

If Doug Ernst feels I did him wrong, he can say so. I haven't heard him make any such claims.

I don't need evidence against Tim Lim. His problems with me started when I brought Smiller into ComicsGate, and Lim called him a carpetbagger who was "putting his feet up in a house that someone else built."

I don't talk to him. These allegations were alluded to by Mitch, and I have no way of knowing what's true or isn't true. I also don't really care.

Maybe it's my fault about my "long list of ex-friends." Maybe it's their fault. The majority of Kiwis here say that I don't recognize good people from bad people until it's too late.

The good ones stick around.

 

[Rupin]

Soyface? Check.
Stares creepily at babies? Check.

We've got another one, people!
Sound the alarms!
Male Feminist Pedo Detected!

the wife has got be fucking someone on the side.

 

[FROG]

Found this Anti-Mormon, Anti Police, Nu-Male a while back named Derek Hunter, an animator and comic artist who's worked on cartoons like Adventure Time, Ducktales, and Bravest Warriors, and he's very Anti-Comicsgate
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This stuff is all 2 years old...what'd he do in 2020 to get this notice?