2020 U.S. Presidential Election - Took place November 3, 2020. Former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden assumed office January 20, 2021.

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Can someone explain this in plain English? I'm very curious what this actually entails in practical terms.
It speaks to what degree of certainty the fact finder that is evaluating formally admitted evidence should have before deciding that a fact relevant to the case is true. Preponderance of the evidence. which is the standard of proof used in civil cases like what we're seeing in these election contest suits, should be thought of as slightly more likely than not, or a slight tipping of the scales one way. Beyond a reasonable doubt is the highest standard of proof and is used in criminal cases. The fact finder in a criminal trial (either a jury or a judge) must be convinced that all the elements of the prosecution's case have been proven beyond whatever reasonable doubts they might hold that they are not true.

That's what the law states. However, these standards are pretty much rhetorical points, as everyone has a different interpretation of what these terms mean. Practically speaking, a person only has one standard: whether they are convinced of something or not.
 
I hate to post again so soon but I have to point out that that tweet has been up for several hours and Twitter hasn't flagged it as misinformation yet. Judging from the replies both Twitter's wrongthink detector and the average twitter user are completely unable to visually identify and fix a trivially malformed URL.

Look at this

https://twitter.com/SidneyPowell1/status/1328495485007646720
https://archive.vn/94yxn

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It's been up since November 16th and because she wrote fr@ud instead of fraud our robot overlords failed to spot it.
 
Since we're already at that stage of lawfare, I actually have a question. It is often mentioned that civil cases have a different standard of evidence compared to criminal cases. So-called "preponderance of evidence" versus "beyond reasonable doubt".

Can someone explain this in plain English? I'm very curious what this actually entails in practical terms.
IANAL but as I understand it the burden of proof is lesser in civil cases than in criminal. Basically, in a civil case, if we're talking about voter fraud the plaintiff just has to provide evidence that voter fraud is more probable than not. In a criminal case, you'd have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, in other words the prosecution would actually have to provide the fraudulent ballots and the evidence suggesting that this was malicious and intentional voter fraud.
 
Since we're already at that stage of lawfare, I actually have a question. It is often mentioned that civil cases have a different standard of evidence compared to criminal cases. So-called "preponderance of evidence" versus "beyond reasonable doubt".

Can someone explain this in plain English? I'm very curious what this actually entails in practical terms.
Preponderance of evidence is just enough evidence to make it slightly more plausible than the opposite


Beyond reasonable doubt is an overwhelming amount of evidence favoring the argument, and any evidence against us either inconsequential or can be refuted and explained away

theres also substantial evidence, which is between those two extremes
 
Since we're already at that stage of lawfare, I actually have a question. It is often mentioned that civil cases have a different standard of evidence compared to criminal cases. So-called "preponderance of evidence" versus "beyond reasonable doubt".

Can someone explain this in plain English? I'm very curious what this actually entails in practical terms.

It means it's easier to prove something in a civil court. So OJ was found innocent in a criminal court but was successfully sued in a civil case.

Actually, soy_king explained it better

Preponderance of evidence is just enough evidence to make it slightly more plausible than the opposite

Beyond reasonable doubt is an overwhelming amount of evidence favoring the argument, and any evidence against us either inconsequential or can be refuted and explained away

'Beyond a reasonable doubt' seems to be a high bar to stop innocent people from getting wrongfully convicted and imprisoned. The 'preponderance of the evidence' is the opposite - it makes it hard for guilty people to escape getting sued.

So basically if you've got the money you need to be very careful not to get sued. Of course, if you've got no money it doesn't really affect you.

Incidentally, one of the follow-ups to her post was this

https://twitter.com/KnopeforPres/status/1329822702195109890
https://archive.vn/wip/9xUEI

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I think they're saying there might try to get her disbarred in Texas for lying. I'm not convinced that would succeed since she can claim everything she said was backed by affidavits and thus she didn't know they were false. Also, Texas is a pretty red state.

Still suppose she did get disbarred and someone sued her and she loses that. Well even if she loses Texas has remarkably lax bankruptcy law.
 
Saying that time is not on our side is an accurate assessment of the situation, not a blackpill
It was an accurate assessment of the situation since 11 p.m. November 3rd when the counting stopped. It is a little unsettling to hear reality setting in from a massive shit talker like Trump, though. I think it's obvious from Trump's lack of public appearances lately that the stress of the steal has affected him in a characteristically un-Trumpian way.
 
But where does "I don't like Trump so I'm just gonna rule against him" fit into all of that?

That only applies in some Democrat-run hive city. So long as she can get the case appealed somewhere else it will be the opposite, aka 'Yeah she said some crazy shit at that press conference but her heart was in the right place because she was fighting the coup'.

https://www.sidneypowell.com/about

Sidney the Attorney represents individuals, corporations, and governments in federal appeals in complex commercial litigation. She has practiced law, primarily in the Fifth Federal Circuit for decades. She has been lead counsel in more than 500 federal appeals—350 of them as an Assistant United States Attorney and Appellate Section Chief in the Western and Northern Districts of Texas. She is a past president of the American Academy of Appellate Lawyers and the Bar Association of the Fifth Federal Circuit, and a member of the American Law Institute. It was from her experience in several of her cases that she felt compelled to become:

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From

https://www.texasbar.com/AM/Templat.../customsource/EthicsSpeakers/map.cfm&region=N
and
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2020-elections/texas-results

Depends where the hearing is I guess. Still, she can always appeal.
 
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If the US government decides to censor you, you go to the courts. Then you collect your fat paycheck from being a legitimate victim of a First Amendment violation. Google and Twitter don’t run the risk of being busted for literal millions of dollars for shutting you up. Note that the New York Post hasn’t sued Twitter yet. It should be open and shut, but because Twitter isn’t the US government, they are practically untouchable due to the fact that the New York Post can’t easily prove damages due to the Streisand Effect giving them all of the clicks (and therefore ad revenue) for a time.
Uhh no if the US government decides to censor you, you won't do anything because you aren't wealthy enough to fight it in court.
 
It means it's easier to prove something in a civil court. So OJ was found innocent in a criminal court but was successfully sued in a civil case.
To some degree, but criminal offenses vary in gravity as do civil lawsuits, despite the standards staying nominally the same. The reasonable doubt standard is used in jaywalking trials and preponderance is used in multimillion dollar breach of contract suits. People are usually going to make decisions based upon how serious they perceive the issue to be, regardless of what they are told to do. I imagine that a judge evaluating whether to overturn election results and thereby impact the presidency of the country is going to need to be very thoroughly convinced by the evidence and not just rest on "well, the evidence slightly tilted one way!"
I think they're saying there might try to get her disbarred in Texas for lying.
They have virtually zero chance of this. The rules say she can't knowingly lie in a lawsuit, and anyone who accuses her of doing so is going to need to back up that assertion with evidence of their own to the Texas Bar. Lawyers submit absolute horseshit to courts all the time in the form of motions they know for a fact have zero legal grounding or lawsuits they know they have very little chance of proving. They can (and do) always hide behind either "I was zealously advocating for my client," or "I believed after diligently looking into it, that my client was telling me the truth."
 
They have virtually zero chance of this. The rules say she can't knowingly lie in a lawsuit, and anyone who accuses her of doing so is going to need to back up that assertion with evidence of their own to the Texas Bar. Lawyers submit absolute horseshit to courts all the time in the form of motions they know for a fact have zero legal grounding or lawsuits they know they have very little chance of proving. They can (and do) always hide behind either "I was zealously advocating for my client," or "I believed after diligently looking into it, that my client was telling me the truth."

Yeah, I think so too. All she has to do is to say 'When I said that it was backed by affidavits numbered X and Y in the documents I submitted'.

Also, it's fucking Texas. If she accused the Democrats of eating babies most people outside of Austin are going to think it's a fair comment.
 
Still suppose she did get disbarred and someone sued her and she loses that. Well even if she loses Texas has remarkably lax bankruptcy law.
They're not disbarring her. They're not even going to try to disbar her. It's just some twatter troll talking shit as usual. Shit-talking on twatter is not 'in the course of representing a client' by any stretch
I think it's obvious from Trump's lack of public appearances lately that the stress of the steal has affected him in a characteristically un-Trumpian way.
He's making fewer public appearances because the situation calls for him to make fewer public appearances. 1) He needs to stay in and man the battle stations and 2) he needs to not run his mouth in public (at least, not more than usual, anyway) and potentially give away key legal strategy.

I believe he was this quiet during his impeachment as well
 
He's making fewer public appearances because the situation calls for him to make fewer public appearances. 1) He needs to stay in and man the battle stations and 2) he needs to not run his mouth in public (at least, not more than usual, anyway) and potentially give away key legal strategy

Biden's not making many appearances either. Clearly, both sides are going to wait to see how the legal battle looks like it's going to pan out before making any statement.

I'd expect Biden to say he'll accept the decision of the courts and electoral college at some point before December 14th too. Assuming some journo even asks him that.

Then again Cuomo said he'd ignore the SCOTUS so maybe not.

If Biden gets in I'm sure we'll see a massive push for him to ignore the SCOTUS until it can be 'reformed', aka 'stacked to give the Democrats a permanent majority'.

I can just imagine some BBC reporter saying smugly 'Biden clearly needs to do something about the Supreme Court. Until then I'm sure he'll just ignore the increasingly bizarre decisions coming out of it'
 
It was an accurate assessment of the situation since 11 p.m. November 3rd when the counting stopped. It is a little unsettling to hear reality setting in from a massive shit talker like Trump, though. I think it's obvious from Trump's lack of public appearances lately that the stress of the steal has affected him in a characteristically un-Trumpian way.

He seems cold as ice to me, as he should be now that there are court cases. Check out the lightweight video, very calm and collected. In my opinion this is because they're putting in work and he is, wisely, shutting the fuck up. Pre-election he would've blasted that nigga hard
 
Then again Cuomo said he'd ignore the SCOTUS so maybe not.
What Cuomo said was the SCOTUS ruling was moot because he'd downgraded the Wu Flu tiers for places of worship before the case hit SCOTUS, for which SCOTUS rebuked him and made a ruling anyway saying, perhaps correctly, that POS Cuomo would decide to upgrade the tiers just as soon as SCOTUS decided not to hear the case. Similar thing happened in the gun case mentioned by Alito in his speech to the Federalist society. I think that was Cuomo as well. He's a real piece of shit and in a just world he'd be strung up.
I'd expect Biden to say he'll accept the decision of the courts and electoral college at some point before December 14th too. Assuming some journo even asks him that.
I expect Biden to call himself the President no matter what. Stacey Abrams calls herself governor and she seems to have the real governor by the balls, so why not?
 
He seems cold as ice to me, as he should be now that there are court cases. Check out the lightweight video, very calm and collected. In my opinion this is because they're putting in work and he is, wisely, shutting the fuck up. Pre-election he would've blasted that nigga hard

I sort of wonder if he shouldn't be making the case that allowing the fraud to succeed will have dire consequences as the US turns into a single-party state run by an oligarchy of DNC insiders.
 
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